The measles vaccine is 97% effective with booster shots. You will likely not get much higher. Herd immunity for measles does require 93...95% immunity as it is infectious like crazy. Even a few percent of anti-vaxxers can shift the balance and they do, see the Disney outbreak. So, no, calling for better vaccines is not going to cut it here, even though that would really be a preferable solution.
The problem is that for herd immunity, you need 93...95% immunity with measles. Assume anybody vaccinated gets the boosters. That still means if you have > 2...4% non-vaccinated, you have a problem. Add that some people cannot take the vaccine for medical reasons and that some are too young and are not yet vaccinated (first dose is recommended at 12...15 months of age) and even a few percent anti-vaxxers will kill herd immunity. This is a close thing. And it explains why relatively few anti-vaxxers can cause real outbreaks and have in the recent past. And then the 3% of those vaccinated where it is ineffective and those that cannot be vaccinated or have not yet been vaccinated due to age (all people which are entirely blameless) are at risk. That is not acceptable.
The mere stupidity, were do I even start? Well, I guess you are just a lost cause. You are not the only one, and if a society gets enough of the likes of you, it dies.
Indeed. Many vaccines are only 80% or so effective. If everybody is vaccinated, that is enough to prevent an epidemic. If you add enough anti-vaxxers, you get larger outbreaks and a lot of the people hit will have actually been vaccinated.
The problem with identifying independent sources is that this requires common sense. Most people do not have much of that and the anti-vaxxers clearly have none.
It is not. Non-vaccinated people primarily harm others. Sure, they get sick themselves, but the main harm they do is that a) they infect people that cannot get vaccinated for medical reasons and b) most vaccinations are not 100% so they increase the risk to people that actually got vaccinated.
I agree on that. The solution is, unfortunately, mandatory vaccinations. We need traffic laws, laws that say children have to get some schooling, etc. It seems yet another group of stupid morons has managed to make yet another state-enforced restriction necessary.
Morons just look for confirmation of their misconceptions. Ordinarily, I would not mind, but anti-vaxxers inflict serious harm on others, in particular on those that cannot be vaccinated for medical reason and on their own children, which clearly is child-abuse.
Bullshit. If this is back-doored, it will have networking code that has no place in there. And that code will be found. Also, what purpose would an _untargeted_ attack against the whole world have? Right, none at all.
It is FOSS. The NSA will not place any exploits in there. First, they would be found and second, they would be all over the world pretty fast, making this an utter PR disaster.
Fighting epidemics is not totalitarianism. It is species survival. It justifies killing people if nothing else is available to stem the tide. If some people think they can endanger society as a whole, force has to be applied to stop their behavior. This is not nice, but necessary. If you do not get that, you have no place in society.
Indeed. The finding of no positive correlation has larger significance because the numbers are skewed to imply the negative correlation. But since the other finding is within the margin of error, they just comment on possible explanation, but do not state them as results. This is an exceptionally important difference, even if it seems to fly right over many people's heads.
So: 1. Vaccination does cause autism: Strong, reliable negative finding. This does not happen. 2. Non-vaccination does cause autism: Weak indication, within margin of error, may have other explanation and the scientist offer a few potential ones
It is time to either force them to move to their own isolated island or be vaccinated by law. They are threatening any kid that cannot get vaccinated for medial reasons and there are a few of those.
Problem is the perform it on _others_. There are quite a few children that cannot be vaccinated because of genuine medical issues. These kids often have weak immune-systems to begin with. The anti-vaxxer scum put them at risk.
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The measles vaccine is 97% effective with booster shots. You will likely not get much higher. Herd immunity for measles does require 93...95% immunity as it is infectious like crazy. Even a few percent of anti-vaxxers can shift the balance and they do, see the Disney outbreak. So, no, calling for better vaccines is not going to cut it here, even though that would really be a preferable solution.
Source for the herd immunity: https://www.who.int/immunizati...
Source for the Disney thing: https://www.wired.com/2015/01/...
What is a "space nutter" according to your definition?
Indeed. That is also why his PhD was removed: For gross misconduct. One greedy scumbag that has by now killed a lot of people by his actions.
Don't know about the strains, but just ordinary statistics seems to explain what happened at Disney: https://www.wired.com/2015/01/...
Pretty much means the unvaccinated caused most of it.
The problem is that for herd immunity, you need 93...95% immunity with measles. Assume anybody vaccinated gets the boosters. That still means if you have > 2...4% non-vaccinated, you have a problem. Add that some people cannot take the vaccine for medical reasons and that some are too young and are not yet vaccinated (first dose is recommended at 12...15 months of age) and even a few percent anti-vaxxers will kill herd immunity. This is a close thing. And it explains why relatively few anti-vaxxers can cause real outbreaks and have in the recent past. And then the 3% of those vaccinated where it is ineffective and those that cannot be vaccinated or have not yet been vaccinated due to age (all people which are entirely blameless) are at risk. That is not acceptable.
Reference: https://www.who.int/immunizati...
Testosterone is not infectious. Seriously. Could your argument be any dumber?
The mere stupidity, were do I even start? Well, I guess you are just a lost cause. You are not the only one, and if a society gets enough of the likes of you, it dies.
This is not about "humane and fair", this is about "necessary".
Ad hominem attacks is exactly why I don't bother discussing vaccinations with many people.
And the little fact that you are utterly stupid and will get a lot of push-back have nothing to do with it? Keep lying to yourself.
Indeed. Many vaccines are only 80% or so effective. If everybody is vaccinated, that is enough to prevent an epidemic. If you add enough anti-vaxxers, you get larger outbreaks and a lot of the people hit will have actually been vaccinated.
The problem with identifying independent sources is that this requires common sense. Most people do not have much of that and the anti-vaxxers clearly have none.
It is not. Non-vaccinated people primarily harm others. Sure, they get sick themselves, but the main harm they do is that a) they infect people that cannot get vaccinated for medical reasons and b) most vaccinations are not 100% so they increase the risk to people that actually got vaccinated.
I agree on that. The solution is, unfortunately, mandatory vaccinations. We need traffic laws, laws that say children have to get some schooling, etc. It seems yet another group of stupid morons has managed to make yet another state-enforced restriction necessary.
Well, if you want to curb that, you first have to stop _all_ religious disinformation, which is all religious publications and advertising.
So you are saying the anti-vaxxers are guilty of enabling censorship with the evil they preach? Makes sense to me.
Morons just look for confirmation of their misconceptions. Ordinarily, I would not mind, but anti-vaxxers inflict serious harm on others, in particular on those that cannot be vaccinated for medical reason and on their own children, which clearly is child-abuse.
Bullshit. If this is back-doored, it will have networking code that has no place in there. And that code will be found. Also, what purpose would an _untargeted_ attack against the whole world have? Right, none at all.
You seriously think the NSA would do an untargeted attack on the whole world with this? Maybe you should have your paranoia looked at professionally.
It is FOSS. The NSA will not place any exploits in there. First, they would be found and second, they would be all over the world pretty fast, making this an utter PR disaster.
Makes you stupid, but be my guest. You are hardly alone.
Fighting epidemics is not totalitarianism. It is species survival. It justifies killing people if nothing else is available to stem the tide. If some people think they can endanger society as a whole, force has to be applied to stop their behavior. This is not nice, but necessary. If you do not get that, you have no place in society.
Indeed. The finding of no positive correlation has larger significance because the numbers are skewed to imply the negative correlation. But since the other finding is within the margin of error, they just comment on possible explanation, but do not state them as results. This is an exceptionally important difference, even if it seems to fly right over many people's heads.
So:
1. Vaccination does cause autism: Strong, reliable negative finding. This does not happen.
2. Non-vaccination does cause autism: Weak indication, within margin of error, may have other explanation and the scientist offer a few potential ones
It is time to either force them to move to their own isolated island or be vaccinated by law. They are threatening any kid that cannot get vaccinated for medial reasons and there are a few of those.
Fine collection of terminally stupid people you have there. With followers of the same nature.
Problem is the perform it on _others_. There are quite a few children that cannot be vaccinated because of genuine medical issues. These kids often have weak immune-systems to begin with. The anti-vaxxer scum put them at risk.