Indeed. And unless you absolutely insist on it, no problems with email-malware (something could possibly be done with Wine to be "compatible" to email malware...;-)
And unless other physicists had recognized the value of their work, nobody would remember them today. I never said that it was important what other physicists think about the work _immediately_. A few years and sometimes decades later is fine. But none of the Physics accomplishments of Newton, Einstein, Cavendish, Heisenberg or Dirac would have ever have been of any effect without other physicists (eventually) recognizing them as worthwhile.
Well, Zuckerborg is clearly motivated by greed and more greed. So, yes. On the other hand, I have had zero people so far ask me for my FB details. Maybe it was not that big a thing in Europe to begin with.
So you want to do science without people involved? That does not actually work in reality...
Sure, if there were a way to do it this way, i.e. to have some impersonal and reliable way to test whether a statement about physics is true, that would be preferable. But no such mechanism exists.
I do not need to read the article. I know how the system works and all cars are tested regularly (yes, each individual one) for example in Germany for the exhaust they produce with the tests in question. If there were no test defeating going on, then this would not be news. You really are clueless.
Terrorism cannot be stopped. That is the whole reason why people are doing it. Even the most repressive regimes in history had terrorism. You can reduce it by not pissing off so many people, e.g. by not killing a lot of innocent bystanders with drones, but that is it. You can to an inordinate amount of damage trying to stop terrorism or by pretending to be trying to.
This shows just one thing: The whole "war on terrorism" is a panic-driven thing with no rational basis. Things like this have not worked out so well in the past...
Could not agree more. The whole claim that surveillance is preventing terrorist attacks is nothing but a big, fat lie. They cannot even evaluate what they already have without mass-surveillance and with known suspects. How mass-surveillance is supposed to make that any better is beyond me. The only thing mass surveillance will be doing is making it even easier to terrorists to recruit. That is besides killing freedoms and making people afraid (again!) to even voice their thoughts because the authorities may disagree with them.
Oh, you have some evidence that the NSA has prevented any actual terrorist attacks? Funny, not even the NSA itself has that evidence, and there are some rather spectacular and public fails in the recent past. They do like to claim things like "50 terrorist attacks prevented in Europe", but when pressed, nothing remains. Just as with any other group of professional liars.
On the other hand, the NSA is helping in keeping terrorism strong and helps them recruit by facilitating murder-by-drone.
Or he may be on to something. At this stage in a typical career of a great physicist, both things are possible. Hawking has always been a great creative thinker in his area of expertise, what he currently claims is not out of character and may well be valid. Outside if his area of expertise, he is a hack, see his uninformed rantings about AI for example. Also not untypical for this development stage of a great physicist. But what really matters is what other physicists think about his statements about physical things.
The one thing that may not have been a good idea though is dumbing down his statements so that a general audience can "understand" them. General audiences are typically challenged to even understand simple scientific facts. They may just go along with them or reject them because they clash with some fuzzily defined beliefs. They routinely have no good justification for either behavior.
The Mozilla Foundation has screwed everything up the had in their clutches, except Thunderbird, possibly because they lacked the money to do a number on it too. If Thunderbird gets new maintainers that actually have a clue and are not just following the latest UI-hype or waste all their money on worthless gender-related projects, it has a bright future. Firefox is dead though, and the only reason for that is incompetence and mis-management by the Mozilla Foundation leadership. Talk about wrestling failure from the clutches of success.
Seriously? Have you even read one thing about how the tests were defeated? If you cheat by detecting a test is being run, you can defeat _any_ test, and that is not the fault of the test.
Caveat: Minimal actual understanding of the situation at hand required.
Well, this European here does not own a car, because there is well-working, reliable and safe public transportation here. Silly Americans probably do not even know what that means or think public transportation is only for the poor.
Expecting "independent" labs to actually be independent is not much better. Remember that it was a Swiss academic lab that found the original problem, because no German lab could be found that was willing to make these measurements on a German car. They all had a lot of business to lose and probably had reason to expect that the measurements would show massive problems. As soon as enough money is involved, the whole complex becomes corrupt. And, just as with the financial crisis of 2008, I predict that nobody will go behind bars for this, or at best some lowly scapegoats.
It was clear from the very beginning that all must be doing this, and that all knew about the others doing this. Otherwise they would not have dared to run such a scam and those that could not make clean diesel engines would either have licensed the technology from the competition or exited that market. But instead of exposing the first ones that did it, like a true anti-market cabal they all decided to keep silent and defraud the customer and cause significant harm to the population in general.
Wat would need to happen here is top management behind bars. Even if it cannot be proven that they knew (and they will have known and hence made very sure proving so will be very hard), they bear full responsibility for not effectively monitoring what went on in their company. In a position of responsibility, looking away is about as bad as knowing about it.
Since when to those in power set the culture alone? The culture is set by a number of things, among them also technological advances and those "not in power". I do agree that people are basically the same though.
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Indeed. And unless you absolutely insist on it, no problems with email-malware (something could possibly be done with Wine to be "compatible" to email malware... ;-)
But good with money and knows the right people. Eventually thinks he has a clue about technology, and then says nonsense publicly, like this one here.
And unless other physicists had recognized the value of their work, nobody would remember them today. I never said that it was important what other physicists think about the work _immediately_. A few years and sometimes decades later is fine. But none of the Physics accomplishments of Newton, Einstein, Cavendish, Heisenberg or Dirac would have ever have been of any effect without other physicists (eventually) recognizing them as worthwhile.
And these were recognized and remembered by whom? Seriously.
Well, Zuckerborg is clearly motivated by greed and more greed. So, yes. On the other hand, I have had zero people so far ask me for my FB details. Maybe it was not that big a thing in Europe to begin with.
So you want to do science without people involved? That does not actually work in reality ...
Sure, if there were a way to do it this way, i.e. to have some impersonal and reliable way to test whether a statement about physics is true, that would be preferable. But no such mechanism exists.
My condolences. Still better to get at least some time with that book.
I do not need to read the article. I know how the system works and all cars are tested regularly (yes, each individual one) for example in Germany for the exhaust they produce with the tests in question. If there were no test defeating going on, then this would not be news. You really are clueless.
Terrorism cannot be stopped. That is the whole reason why people are doing it. Even the most repressive regimes in history had terrorism. You can reduce it by not pissing off so many people, e.g. by not killing a lot of innocent bystanders with drones, but that is it. You can to an inordinate amount of damage trying to stop terrorism or by pretending to be trying to.
This shows just one thing: The whole "war on terrorism" is a panic-driven thing with no rational basis. Things like this have not worked out so well in the past...
Could not agree more. The whole claim that surveillance is preventing terrorist attacks is nothing but a big, fat lie. They cannot even evaluate what they already have without mass-surveillance and with known suspects. How mass-surveillance is supposed to make that any better is beyond me. The only thing mass surveillance will be doing is making it even easier to terrorists to recruit. That is besides killing freedoms and making people afraid (again!) to even voice their thoughts because the authorities may disagree with them.
Oh, you have some evidence that the NSA has prevented any actual terrorist attacks? Funny, not even the NSA itself has that evidence, and there are some rather spectacular and public fails in the recent past. They do like to claim things like "50 terrorist attacks prevented in Europe", but when pressed, nothing remains. Just as with any other group of professional liars.
On the other hand, the NSA is helping in keeping terrorism strong and helps them recruit by facilitating murder-by-drone.
Fully agree. He is a hero.
Or he may be on to something. At this stage in a typical career of a great physicist, both things are possible. Hawking has always been a great creative thinker in his area of expertise, what he currently claims is not out of character and may well be valid. Outside if his area of expertise, he is a hack, see his uninformed rantings about AI for example. Also not untypical for this development stage of a great physicist. But what really matters is what other physicists think about his statements about physical things.
The one thing that may not have been a good idea though is dumbing down his statements so that a general audience can "understand" them. General audiences are typically challenged to even understand simple scientific facts. They may just go along with them or reject them because they clash with some fuzzily defined beliefs. They routinely have no good justification for either behavior.
Well, stupid people have no options and they start hating those that do. Then they post about it and make their stupidity obvious to all.
Mutt under Linux (often via ssh or Putty). Some things just work well.
Ignore him. Haters do not understand the concept of "facts".
The Mozilla Foundation has screwed everything up the had in their clutches, except Thunderbird, possibly because they lacked the money to do a number on it too. If Thunderbird gets new maintainers that actually have a clue and are not just following the latest UI-hype or waste all their money on worthless gender-related projects, it has a bright future. Firefox is dead though, and the only reason for that is incompetence and mis-management by the Mozilla Foundation leadership. Talk about wrestling failure from the clutches of success.
Seriously? Have you even read one thing about how the tests were defeated? If you cheat by detecting a test is being run, you can defeat _any_ test, and that is not the fault of the test.
Caveat: Minimal actual understanding of the situation at hand required.
Unfortunately, yes. And that is what eventually kills a society: Too many self-centered fucks that do not care about anything except themselves.
Well, this European here does not own a car, because there is well-working, reliable and safe public transportation here. Silly Americans probably do not even know what that means or think public transportation is only for the poor.
Expecting "independent" labs to actually be independent is not much better. Remember that it was a Swiss academic lab that found the original problem, because no German lab could be found that was willing to make these measurements on a German car. They all had a lot of business to lose and probably had reason to expect that the measurements would show massive problems. As soon as enough money is involved, the whole complex becomes corrupt. And, just as with the financial crisis of 2008, I predict that nobody will go behind bars for this, or at best some lowly scapegoats.
It was clear from the very beginning that all must be doing this, and that all knew about the others doing this. Otherwise they would not have dared to run such a scam and those that could not make clean diesel engines would either have licensed the technology from the competition or exited that market. But instead of exposing the first ones that did it, like a true anti-market cabal they all decided to keep silent and defraud the customer and cause significant harm to the population in general.
Wat would need to happen here is top management behind bars. Even if it cannot be proven that they knew (and they will have known and hence made very sure proving so will be very hard), they bear full responsibility for not effectively monitoring what went on in their company. In a position of responsibility, looking away is about as bad as knowing about it.
You are so full of hate, that it utterly blinds you. That makes you part of the problem.
Since when to those in power set the culture alone? The culture is set by a number of things, among them also technological advances and those "not in power". I do agree that people are basically the same though.