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Facebook Is Building A Standalone Camera App To Encourage Its 1.6 Billion Users To Share More (theverge.com)

An anonymous reader quotes a report from The Verge: According to a report in The Wall Street Journal, Facebook engineers in London are working on a standalone camera app with a big live-streaming component. Similar to Snapchat, the app would open straight into a camera to foster immediate capturing and posting of photos and videos, as well as letting users stream via Facebook Live. With billions of smartphones in the world and near-ubiquitous high-speed data connections, Facebook sees a huge opportunity to get its 1.6 billion users sharing more than ever before. A camera app may help the company do that, and better compete with Snapchat at the same time. Facebook has recently rolled out a major live video update allowing anyone to post live streams of themselves to their timeline. Previously, only celebrities and public figures were allowed to use the feature. With this new Facebook Live update and standalone camera app reportedly in the works, the only thing holding Mark Zuckerberg back with his plan to triple the size of his social network is affordable internet.

57 comments

  1. Don't they have another app that does this already by fufufang · · Score: 2

    I thought Instagram does the same thing.

  2. But their content is all gunk anyway by bretts · · Score: 2

    So what does it do, automatically take a picture of dinner and quote a Beat poet based on the food items it identifies?

    1. Re:But their content is all gunk anyway by toonces33 · · Score: 1

      We all saw how well the Microsoft tool did identifying stuff in photos. Although it would actually be kind of amusing to see what kind of inedible things such a tool would come up with.

    2. Re:But their content is all gunk anyway by plopez · · Score: 3, Funny

      Stored your image data where it will be held securely and privately to prevent others from using it to train face recognition software [*]

      [*] Fine print. Facebook, its parent company, subsidiaries, or business partners may from time to time share such information for quality purposes or for preparation of special offers for your delight. In addition FB et. al. will comply with any legitimate court orders of the country of origin, destination, storage, or transferal including any secret courts as needed to combat terrorism. In addition FB will comply with any treaty obligations concerning such information including edicts of unelected arbitration councils, courts, or enabling legislation. So don't worry, your information is safe from prying eyes.

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  3. Re:Don't they have another app that does this alre by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
  4. Hope vs Reality by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Facebook Hoped people will share more and do more of Facebook and the think Facebook is the web.

    Reality is users are sharing less personal stuff, sharing more cat meme pictures, and realise there is a big world out there with REAL friends who LIKE doing stuff with you in real life.

    Personally, I prefer the REAL friends I have, the ones I can borrow a car from, the ones who will go out drinking and bail you out the next morning. The ones who would walk over broken glass to be there with you in times of crisis, the ones who invite you round for a BBQ, laugh with you, laugh even harder at you.

    1. Re: Hope vs Reality by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I know what you mean. I need new friends, they keep trying to get me to play this new hide and seek game dildos. Weird I know.

  5. Facebook already has an app to do this by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It's called Instagram. My biggest problem with Instagram is that it's full of bots. Why not fix what you already have instead of creating a completely new app?

  6. Voyeurism is getting old by ugen · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I think the self-exposure trend is running its course. Even my more narcissistic FB contacts are posting fewer selfies in exotic locations and strange and unusual foods. FB is trying to keep it going, but nature takes its course and every fad will eventually go away.

    I wonder what's next? Hopefully something less obnoxious.

    1. Re:Voyeurism is getting old by TheGratefulNet · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I hope this fad does fade. its really boring and I'm tired of everyone always assuming you have a fb account.

      I was talking to a recruiter and she mentioned an opening at fb. I told her I don't have a fb account - would that be a showstopper for working there (I assume it would be, even if not explicitly stated). she was shocked to hear this and actually asked me WHY I didn't have a fb account.

      the fact that someone thought it was unusual to NOT have one, this is why I hope it dies soon. I have zero need for such things and the sooner it runs its course, the sooner we can get back to normal things again ;)

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    2. Re:Voyeurism is getting old by rsborg · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Even my more narcissistic FB contacts are posting fewer selfies in exotic locations and strange and unusual foods.

      This is what I'm seeing. I used to navigate to FB once in a while to essentially gawk at some of the more, uh, exhibitionist contacts, but recently it's all about spamming for Hillary or the outrage du jour (some of which are pretty depressing) and the occasional "really old woman out-dances young guy" sort of thing.
      I haven't logged on in months.

      Everyone I know is posting less pix online, and less information about themselves. Not just on FB, but G+, LinkedIn, etc.

      If Facebook really cared about it's viewership, it'd adopt some of the snapchat like features with timed-archival of photos, etc, and maybe, just maybe, make it really difficult for HR dept. and school investigators and the like to find embarrassing content on workers/students (a high-profile case like where Apple said FU to the FBI would be really nice).

      Maybe people are just done being "dumbfucks"? Maybe everyone is realizing that social media is also a problem vector?

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    3. Re:Voyeurism is getting old by TheGratefulNet · · Score: 4, Insightful

      you hit on a key issue; the fact that employment is judging you based on your 'social media' posts - that sure puts a kibosh on any desire to truly express yourself in anything that is not vanilla-tame.

      we all realize that HR are bastards and will use anything they find against you. we all need jobs and most of us are not going to be company owners, so we WILL end up working for someone else, mostly the rest of our lives.

      who wants to worry about being out of work due to some social media post?

      the more the 'authorities' want to track us, the less we are interested in feeding their voyeurism.

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    4. Re:Voyeurism is getting old by rmdingler · · Score: 1
      Like all of us, I only get so many hours a day. Like you, I choose to spend no fraction of them on Facebook.

      Why not? I don't want to be instantly available to everyone I've ever known. I reserve the use of the privilege to segregate my life to the people I want to stay in touch with.

      I figure we're either avant-garde or missing the greatest social linkup ever, and I'm okay with that.

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    5. Re:Voyeurism is getting old by toonces33 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I know a number of people that don't have FB. And for that matter I don't have it myself.

      I can't help but wonder what fraction of the accounts are spammers and bots.

    6. Re:Voyeurism is getting old by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I wonder what's next?

      Huge amounts of cheese pizza.

    7. Re:Voyeurism is getting old by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Facebook scares me.Technology

    8. Re:Voyeurism is getting old by MobileTatsu-NJG · · Score: 1

      Maybe they tell you they don't have FB because they don't want a friend request from you. ;)

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    9. Re:Voyeurism is getting old by bill_mcgonigle · · Score: 5, Interesting

      who wants to worry about being out of work due to some social media post?

      Who wants to work for a place that would care? It's quite a favor to the market, really - businesses that treat their employees this way *should* be driven into the ground by losing all their top talent.

      And, to be clear, almost all the top-talent people 'misbehave' in their free time.

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    10. Re:Voyeurism is getting old by Frosty+Piss · · Score: 1

      the fact that employment is judging you based on your 'social media' posts - that sure puts a kibosh on any desire to truly express yourself in anything that is not vanilla-tame.

      My employer does not have access to my "social media". I have never "friended" anyone I work with. If my employer "required" me to provide "social media" links, I would not work there.

      Anyway, I work for the DoD, if they really want, I suppose they can access all my favorite cat videos and the inane things I chat about with my high school and college buddies.

      The sex tapes and drunken debauchery on my phone that *does not* back-up on the "cloud", maybe they can get that, but it's never come up at any of my security clearance investigations...

      Paranoia will destroy ya. I sleep well being open and honest about what kind of a pervert I am.

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    11. Re:Voyeurism is getting old by ArylAkamov · · Score: 1

      Hit the nail on the head man. Even the attention whores I know are posting less shit.

      The trend is running out of steam. Finally.

      I'm just hoping it isn't because of employers snooping on employees. If it is, as soon as normies realize they don't have to use their real name on facebook it's coming back in a big way.

    12. Re:Voyeurism is getting old by Zontar+The+Mindless · · Score: 1

      FB turned into a race to the bottom, essentially. I figured this out a couple of years ago, and quit posting anything to it.

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    13. Re:Voyeurism is getting old by ArylAkamov · · Score: 1

      Ey, sometimes you don't have a choice. Well, you do, but it isn't much of a choice, work at Shithouse Inc. or no longer have a home.

    14. Re:Voyeurism is getting old by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If Facebook really cared about it's viewership, it'd adopt some of the snapchat like features with timed-archival of photos, etc, and maybe, just maybe, make it really difficult for HR dept. and school investigators and the like to find embarrassing content on workers/students (a high-profile case like where Apple said FU to the FBI would be really nice).

      Pretty much. Facebook is too public and too permanent. When bored I will occasionally log on and see the latest coffee-art pics or "inspirational" stories or whatever my contacts are posting, but it's pretty dull pickings and I no longer feel any desire to post anything more than the occasional happy birthday: between friended family and prying potential employers I tend to self-censor to the point of having nothing left to say.

    15. Re:Voyeurism is getting old by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Data mining sites like the aforementioned fb only really exist to collect user's data and sell it to who-ever will pay. There is no "private" data on fb...its all gathered and sold. If you use fb, you are the product being sold.

      I have never had an fb account, and never will. I avoid these data mining sites and other data mining schemes (store discount cards etc...) like the plague!

      Having had little privacy growing up, I now guard my privacy zealously and to the best of my abilities!

    16. Re:Voyeurism is getting old by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "My employer does not have access to my "social media" "

      "Anyway, I work for the DoD"
       
      ... who wants to break the bad news?

    17. Re:Voyeurism is getting old by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Absolutely they mis-behave. The difference is, they're not stupid enough to put it online. Hence why they are where they are in life.

      It's just now that even the socially-inept people are realizing that they don't need to publicize their poor behavior online.

      I will be happy to see facebook go the way of myspace.

      And for the idiots that say it's to keep in touch with family, as if texting or email doesn't exist, it just means you're being lazy and can't be bothered with actually contacting someone directly. Shit, can't get anyone to send a nice card today nevermind take time to send an email with pictures to just one person.

    18. Re: Voyeurism is getting old by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      LOL, I spit out my blended fruit. +1

    19. Re:Voyeurism is getting old by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes, no one would really want to work for a company that scours the internet for your digital foot print. But there are STAFF and SUPERVISORS that do... just to find ways to relate to each other. Especially if that employee is a cutie and the supervisor lecherous. Sure HR may not be bothered to look (as a policy) but I've seen more than once some staff come in & others suddenly swarm around them saying how great the recent photos are. Workplace anxieties ensue and then we have a weird workplace.

    20. Re:Voyeurism is getting old by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Even decent employers that normally don't care can be bullied into firing you if some zealot sees a photo you're tagged in, depicting you in the middle of the heinous crime against humanity of eating asian food with chopsticks while being white, and decides to use it to prove in front of other cultists how much they care about minorities by causing a shitstorm. Internet hate mobs of social justice have ways of turning anyone into a liability for their employer.

  7. Goes great with the Facebook Home skin by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    and the other sh*t pile of junk they have thrown at us so far.
    I heard that you can even have your friends like the picture you just took in the app even before it gets posted online so you won't have to worry whether they liked your picture or not.

  8. Um... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    the only thing holding Mark Zuckerberg back with his plan to triple the size of his social network is affordable internet.

    **COUGH**bandwidth caps**COUGH**

    1. Re:Um... by toonces33 · · Score: 1

      The main reason *uckerberg is trying to push more and more video is that they can inject more and more ads into the video stream that are harder to avoid. Banner ads off to the side are just part of the background that you don't have to pay attention to if you don't want to.

    2. Re:Um... by gweihir · · Score: 1

      Well, Zuckerborg is clearly motivated by greed and more greed. So, yes. On the other hand, I have had zero people so far ask me for my FB details. Maybe it was not that big a thing in Europe to begin with.

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  9. I don't think this is going to fly by Jeremi · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Half the fun of Facebook is presenting yourself to your friends as a much cooler person than you actually are. How am I going to manage that when there's a live video feed showing them all my dorky self doing the talking?

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    1. Re:I don't think this is going to fly by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Half the fun of Facebook is presenting yourself to your friends as a much cooler person than you actually are. How am I going to manage that when there's a live video feed showing them all my dorky self doing the talking?

      Best posting of the month on /. Please send your contact information to Facebook. Oh wait!

  10. only thing holding Mark Zuckerberg back by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Subby seems to think our tax dollars would be best spent subsidizing Facebook? I respectfully disagree.

    1. Re:only thing holding Mark Zuckerberg back by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Nice troll, but I'll raise ya. Funding facebook with our tax dollars would result in people going out less. This in turn means that we don't have to spend as much money subsidizing expensive roads, especially around where you live.

  11. Didn't they already have one? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I remember a Facebook Camera app on iOS. It didn't do anything special and disappeared after a while. I'd love to know why they think this will be different.

  12. Overture to different business segments by Trachman · · Score: 1

    Well, facebook is a public company, as such shareholders need to be promised ever increasing returns.

    Video streams seem like a nice overture to the tripple X business, eventually. After all, most of the FB users are adult anyway, right?

    Just imagine the possibilities that can be opened.... and the reach... and the fans...

  13. Yes good information by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Good to no

  14. They want interesting newsfeed stuff by NixieBunny · · Score: 1

    I will take screenshots of all those stupid FB memes and post them as original photos, just to piss them off.

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  15. Re:Don't they have another app that does this alre by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It does, and the kids are using it over FB - which is why FB desperately needs something similar. Today's kids are tomorrow's adults that ignore FB, and they know it.

  16. What's the hold up ? by billcopc · · Score: 1

    It's been a little while since I wrote mobile apps, but I seem to recall camera functions being freakin' easy to use. What are they "building" exactly ? These camera apps are the kind of thing a mobile noob can pump out in a day or two (speaking from experience). I mean, both iOS and Android APIs will happily encode to an MP4 file of your chosen quality, which you then read and upload wherever. Live streaming is less obvious, but well researched and documented... a simple copy-paste-tweak-run affair.

    Or maybe the engineers are waiting for the Kardashian seal of approval :P

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  17. Boring, now live by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ... Facebook Live update and standalone camera app ...

    Instead of reading how boring and mindless the multitude of Facebook subscribers are, one can watch it, live.

    Have they thought about the kiddie porn angle of this? Or worse, the 'American pie' spying on the bed scenario? Actually, that scene should be shown to everyone with the stupidity to create a 'Facebook live' account.

  18. Re:Don't they have another app that does this alre by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    But Facebook owns Instagram. Why not just integrate the two services better?

  19. Interesting by WankerWeasel · · Score: 1

    Strange. Facebook has been making a move to bring most of these apps back into the main app. They've tried standalone apps and outside the Messager app they've failed. They previously released a standalone camera app and it saw very little adoption so it was pulled from the app store. It'd be strange to see them try this route again after having failed previously.

  20. OGG EXPLAIN EVERYTHING by TheRealHocusLocus · · Score: 0

    Ogg draw nice huge circle in sand. Say, this is world, step inside Ogg show more.
    Ogg draw smaller rectangle inside world, say this is computer.
    Ogg draw smaller rectangle inside rectangle, say this is bigthink phone screen.
    Ogg draw squiggle inside, say this is Facebook.
    Ogg draw square in squiggle, say is LIKE button. Ogg like LIKE button.
    Ogg make dots by square, says is apps inside apps inside apps.
    Ogg pinch sand between fingers and let little grains fall, says this is all the people use apps.
    People spend whole life inside little squiggles and rectangles and apps he say.

    Next Ogg kick whole computer rectangle with foot.
    This is grid down from war and resource depletion and stupid broken windmills, Ogg say.
    Because people-heads stuck in apps and did not harness energy from Thorium.
    This is so sad Ogg say. Ogg like little apps.

    Ogg say,OK... now YOU draw better world. Use Thorium this time.

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  21. Re:Don't they have another app that does this alre by mlw4428 · · Score: 2

    Yeah I hear you. I don't even understand why people don't all drive Fords...I mean...aren't all other cars really about the same thing? And why is there Pepsi, isn't Coke basically just the same thing?

  22. Morons and cameras by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Yeah, just what we need -- more morons pointing cameras at crap. People MYOFB and keep your face outa mine. Assholes.

  23. That tool is endless fun by bretts · · Score: 2

    I gave it a picture of Ted Cruz, and it came back with "Zodiac Killer." I think it works better than its creators ever knew it would!

  24. "In your best interests" by bretts · · Score: 1

    You have to admit that a government which could track every citizen at all times through facial recognition software -- enabled by images uploaded to social media -- would provide a safer society. The power of information at work. Of course, there may be a cost; there's always a cost. I just don't think it's the 1984-inspired fantasy that most of its detractors seem to fear. And all I wanted was a Pepsi...

    1. Re:"In your best interests" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Safer? Safer from whom or what?

      From random criminals? Maybe so. But heaven help you if the government takes a dislike to you, or you are mistaken you for someone they dislike, or their algorithms think you might be up to something, or ...

      Do read up on the East German Stasi, or the Soviet KGB, and imagine what fun they'd have had with this stuff. The movie "The Lives of Others" is highly recommended.

  25. Annoyances by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    And if I don't want the app, are they going to start kicking me to google play like they do with messenger? If anything makes me want to use facebook's stuff less it is them hindering me from actually doing what I intend with their platform.

  26. Re:Don't they have another app that does this alre by IRGlover · · Score: 1

    Yes, but you are pointing out products that are produced as competitors by different companies. This story is about a company with a strong product spending time and effort on another product that potentially competes with it (and thousands of other similar products, but never mind that!)

  27. Re-inventing the wheel. Great idea, that. by mnemotronic · · Score: 1

    Why not lobby Google to improve the integration API and make it easier to use the native camera app inside other apps? Why does facebook have to duplicate functionality already present? I can only assume this will cause their app to become even more bloated. It's already at the beached-whale-about-to-explode point. Does everyone have unlimited memory for applications on their mobile device? I started bumping into the "Not enough memory to update this application" error years ago.

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  28. Re:Don't they have another app that does this alre by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    But....but... its on the internet!! It is totally like nothing else ever before!

  29. Re:Don't they have another app that does this alre by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    But....but... it's on computers!! Its like nothing else before!

    Wash, rinse, repeat isn't it?