Anybody out there care to comment *intelligently* about Tux vs. AOLserver? I've heard very good things about the latter (granted, mostly from parties with a vested interest in promoting AOLserver) but I've never had a chance to use/benchmark it.
> That's what really started both companies: How > easily hackers could hack and expand it. (Of
> course Apple targeting the schools and business > users didn't hurt either. Along with soft good
> software like Visicalc (the first spreadsheet)
> and AppleWorks (I believe the first integrated
> application.)
My theory is that, since VisiCalc was a Microsoft product, the young World Domination meme actually
worked to Apple's advantage. Those early victims of Microsoft's secret seratonin-depleting library functions had to keep coming back for more-- once they were hooked on VisiCalc, getting them to switch to DOS was easy, just follow the monkey.
I agree wholeheartedly-- although I've gotten past my earlier need to lambast the film, I still won't watch it or defend it. I chalk part of it up to the fact that I DETEST Keanu "I'm in a band" Reeves and in my opinion he can't act worth a darn (neither can David Duchovny for that matter).
And as for the "real philosophy" part I agree as well-- when I saw the Matrix I thought "gee, every idea in this movie I've read in a SF story before, only done better".
My favorite color scheme has always been the old DOS WordPerfect one: white characters on a dark blue background... perhaps the only thing I like about NT4 is its nostalgic startup screen in the same colors. I read somewhere once that some study had determined this to be the best color combination for your eyes...
...now that I ponder it, a low-frequency color like blue for the background is easy on your eyes; the white characters contrast really well for visibility.
The only problem with this is that it falls apart with syntax highlighting-- the reason I use grey-on-black in all my XTerms... but every so often I switch back to -syntax +blue.
Nope-- I meant "those who aggravate the public eye", anti-aesthetes... who would therefore mangle the spelling of "anaesthetic" in an exercise of ideological resistance-- c.f. "womyn", "d00d", etc. Ironic that the NT hordes are such iconoclasts...
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A friend of mine works for a company that makes software for anasthesiologists (take note, Taco-- I can spell!) that RUNS UNDER NT! Same guy who scorched me with the "Unix is dead; NT is better than sex" hellfire. And I thought surgury was barbaric in the days of leeches and exorcisms!
Seriously, one day I did a whois on "dot.com" just out of boredom. Taken, no surprise there. Next I tried "dotdot.com". Also taken, no surprise. People will register useless things. I decided to see how far it would go... I don't know how far it goes now, but early in October if I wanted a name of the form "dotdot...dot[n].com", n=11. That is:
..."supernatural" implies a wonderful inherent limitation on conventional definations of the "natural" "empirical" world. Normative definition allows delightful (or miserific) surprises. "supernatural" is the exception you've not handled... your signal handler may be quite nice but it's not perfect-- so you're quite pleased to find how the system *really* works.
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Me too.
Heh.
Seriously, I've been wading through all the answers waiting for a question. Why does it seem like nobody ever furthers the discussion by asking questions? Why does it seem like everybody gives the same "answers" over and over and over and over again? Why does everybody rant like I'm doing now?
I have to repeat only one idea (I promise!)-- that ACTION is the only thing that counts. Therefore let's start with this thread: a tiny bit of structure for a lot of gain. I'm noting your UID 'cause you seem to have asked an intelligent question. Now I have two names on my list. Who else at/. has learnt the hard lesson to just get that shit OFF your to-do list?
Maybe I'm being a bit vague (I *have* eaten too many Penguin mints, after all;).
I *like* this thread. As has been said too much before, numbers and organization count. So what I'm saying here, raygundan, is: let's talk. And anyone else who understands the idea of creating the new rather than rehashing the old. (Read Frederick Douglas!) Feel free to email me unless you're a spammer... but I'll continue in a new post.
I hate to say it, but over the last few months, I've been forced to use M$ more and more, and... I almost like it.
WAIT! DON'T FLAME ME YET!
I use linux as my main server and workstation platform wherever I can, but the software and www developers that I work with for some reason prefer M$ (don't ask me why). But, as long as I have to use it, I'm glad that it's not MORE offensive-- granted there are a lot of bass-ackwards things about Windose, but nothing's perfect. And I can think of a whole lot worse things to be *forced* to use (Solaris springs immediately to mind). If I have to use M$, it had better be REALLY friggin' mindless. And it is.
That's the advantage I see to Windows, which is pointed out quite well by the above poster-- there *is* a Windows mindset, and it's "I don't care about technical elegance, freedom or any of those other features. I just want to do my fscking job and go home to watch The Real World." And Windose is remarkably good at placating the masses.
Halls of justice painted green, money talking Power wolves beset your door, feel them stalking
What happened to the Metallica I used to know? There was a time when Metallica used to write songs about corruption and the irresponsible use of power. Now you guys are sueing your fans!? They say success changes people, I guess it's true. What happened to the band that wrote And Justice For All?
I dunno, uh... if I'm not mistaken, most ISPs are responsible for the traffic on their servers/fiber such that if they have resonable knowledge that, say, kiddie porn is being distributed using their resources, they are directly liable. So massive arrests/incarcerations of the developers and organizers of FreeNet would be a good start. Lock the deviants up. Then the Internet Safety Act (probably named after some poor Jon Benet-type who was kiddie pornographized) which bans the use of such networks... and all commercial bandwidth goes -poof-. Despite what I believe, I'm not going to risk my job and jail time for what's already a lost cause-- if I'm a zealot I'll do it a more efficient way, like full-scale revolution or pamphlets or something.
The point is that 1) whether or not Free Speech SHOULD include pix of toddlers diddling bison, in just about every country in the world, it doesn't. 2)When (not if) someone gets a bee in his/her bonnet about the kiddie porn, then the Feds squeeze anyone they can. Hard. Note that this is not necessarily ethical, but ask a NRA member what he/she thinks about "Jenny's Bill" (or whatever that monster's called).
Doesn't Jean-loup translate to John-wolf? How did you get this name? Is there a story behind it? Is it because you're a hit with the ladies? Or (and I hope not) because you're a wolf-in-sheep's-clothing, i.e. a M$ spy?
Wow. Lemme tell you, I have a hard enough time keeping ahead of all the script-kiddie attacks on IRC-- do you really think I'd PLUG something into my HEAD that can make me puke?
...So I'm happily playing Descent 5 some evening, with my linux-supported USB (hey, I can dream) Verti-go-go, when some '7337 haxor-type decides that the Ping of Death isn't enough and sends me an Oversized Packet of Core Dump... but it's not X that barfs, it's me. No way, Jose.
What's next? Virtua Fighter arcade machines with a little springy boxing glove to knock the wind out of you? How about the new ultra-VR goggles from STB that burn your retinas out if you look at the flare from a BFG 9000? Ooh! I know! The ultimate in teledildonics-- USB vice grips so you can get blue balls whilst on IRC!
Wow-- a lot of really good points have been brought up about the effects and treatments of mental health disorders, and I'm not going to try to sum them up or distill them. BUT (there is always a but) I think that there is a MUCH larger issue here. Again, it has been brought up and I'm not going to try to point to all of those threads, but here's my take:
The mistake, as I see it, is to assume that a) either pharmaceutical companies or the Federal Government have our best interests at heart; b) that if Uncle Sam *does* really want what's best that a law will help. Read some of Noam Chomsky's work. The biggest influence on federal policy is Big Business-- what individual or "interest group" has the resources, both monetary and political, that Philip-Morris, Microsoft, DuPont or Pfizer can bring to bear on policy?
The same sort of idea, when applied on a smaller scale in a different industry has raised a similar hullabaloo. For example, how about universities which sign big contracts with Microsoft agreeing to use only NT/2000 in their facilities, in return for a hefty discount? The community goes nuts (or at least it should;) because the Uni is playing dollars and cents instead of looking out for its constituents. Only now they're playing with our *health*!?
The emotions that have been displayed here so far are (in my book) exhibit A in the case AGAINST this type of government action. We feel so strongly about the issue because lack of/inappropriate attention has hurt us and our loved ones. History is against the argument that the federal government wants what's best for the little guy.
> Still, I don't understand how you can make a service out of providing public domain information.
I think the point is that re-distribution of a database is suspect-- the compiler of a collection of information (database) *owns* that information. There was a law being considered (passed? overturned?) a while ago that said exactly this, and I suspect that this is eBay's strategy. Another example is NSI-- they have stated (and again I don't know the current status of this policy) that anyone attempting to distribute the contents of their WHOIS database will be prosecuted. So imagine this-- I have a web page www.whatever.com, and a cgi that queries the WHOIS database for MY OWN DOMAIN info and then puts it up on www.whatever.com. NSI can prosecute me for this! Yet another example (this one I got from a buncha objections raised to the afore-mentioned law) is a company that compiles a database of consumer "profiles"-- you might not have ownership of your own data! Owch.
Now that I think about it, there is probably an old/. story about this kind of law-- anyone wanna link to it?
An interesting twist to the eBay story: I am a systems admin for Neutron Computers (please don't hate me for it, it pays the bills) and we had several incidents where the owner of an auction would either link images directly to our web site (bad) or pull HTML straight from our pages, so the product description would be formatted EXACTLY THE SAME, even down to copyright notices in the text/code (worse)! Anyway, we contacted them about it and they disclaimed liability, citing their user agreement which places all legal responsibility on the auction's owner. So apparantly eBay wants to have its cake and eat it too-- they own the contents of their databases but aren't responsible for it!
I hate eBay anyway for the same reason I hate irc, magic:the_gathering, television, daily-pic-posts and heroin. Too damn addictive.
(the views expressed in this... er... rant are entirely my own and are not shared, endorsed, baptized, etc. by my employers, my university or pretty much anyone with half a brain.)
The CERT advisory seemed to imply that the vulnerability existed not only in ssh but also sshd. This would make sense, considering the nature of the hole. Is there a difference between the client and the daemon; in other words should I be worried about sshd if ssh is clean? I would hope that there is a large enough code base in common between ssh and sshd that if one is clean the other is too, but I'm not so naive as to assume that anyone writes good code these days;) So I guess the question is-- if ssh -V is okay, does that mean that sshd is okay too?
Hahahaha. This was pretty funny, but the idioms were surprisingly intact, despite the alternate wordings/phrasings. The really funny part came when I moved to the next/. story, about the puffin. The story made no sense! I was laughing at it, as if it were a bad translation! I have often stopped and laughed at a page in a technical book/article, when I stopped parsing it as teknospeak and realized that, fifty or a hundred years ago (or even to, say, my mother) the whole thing would be SHEER GIBBERISH. Ha-ha. I don't know quite what my point is, but I'm sure I have one.
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Anybody out there care to comment *intelligently* about Tux vs. AOLserver? I've heard very good things about the latter (granted, mostly from parties with a vested interest in promoting AOLserver) but I've never had a chance to use/benchmark it.
> That's what really started both companies: How > easily hackers could hack and expand it. (Of
> course Apple targeting the schools and business > users didn't hurt either. Along with soft good
> software like Visicalc (the first spreadsheet)
> and AppleWorks (I believe the first integrated
> application.)
My theory is that, since VisiCalc was a Microsoft product, the young World Domination meme actually
worked to Apple's advantage. Those early victims of Microsoft's secret seratonin-depleting library functions had to keep coming back for more-- once they were hooked on VisiCalc, getting them to switch to DOS was easy, just follow the monkey.
I agree wholeheartedly-- although I've gotten past my earlier need to lambast the film, I still won't watch it or defend it. I chalk part of it up to the fact that I DETEST Keanu "I'm in a band" Reeves and in my opinion he can't act worth a darn (neither can David Duchovny for that matter).
And as for the "real philosophy" part I agree as well-- when I saw the Matrix I thought "gee, every idea in this movie I've read in a SF story before, only done better".
OTOH, Trinity *was* hot...
My favorite color scheme has always been the old DOS WordPerfect one: white characters on a dark blue background... perhaps the only thing I like about NT4 is its nostalgic startup screen in the same colors. I read somewhere once that some study had determined this to be the best color combination for your eyes...
...now that I ponder it, a low-frequency color like blue for the background is easy on your eyes; the white characters contrast really well for visibility.
The only problem with this is that it falls apart with syntax highlighting-- the reason I use grey-on-black in all my XTerms... but every so often I switch back to -syntax +blue.
I also like green-on-black...
Nope-- I meant "those who aggravate the public eye", anti-aesthetes... who would therefore mangle the spelling of "anaesthetic" in an exercise of ideological resistance-- c.f. "womyn", "d00d", etc. Ironic that the NT hordes are such iconoclasts...
A friend of mine works for a company that makes software for anasthesiologists (take note, Taco-- I can spell!) that RUNS UNDER NT! Same guy who scorched me with the "Unix is dead; NT is better than sex" hellfire. And I thought surgury was barbaric in the days of leeches and exorcisms!
Me too!
Seriously, one day I did a whois on "dot.com" just out of boredom. Taken, no surprise there. Next I tried "dotdot.com". Also taken, no surprise. People will register useless things. I decided to see how far it would go... I don't know how far it goes now, but early in October if I wanted a name of the form "dotdot...dot[n].com", n=11. That is:
dotdotdotdotdotdotdotdotdotdotdot.com.
WTF!?
Dude. I've *never* been hit in the head with a "Positive Attitude" paperweight.
..."supernatural" implies a wonderful inherent limitation on conventional definations of the "natural" "empirical" world. Normative definition allows delightful (or miserific) surprises. "supernatural" is the exception you've not handled... your signal handler may be quite nice but it's not perfect-- so you're quite pleased to find how the system *really* works.
Me too.
/. has learnt the hard lesson to just get that shit OFF your to-do list?
;).
Heh.
Seriously, I've been wading through all the answers waiting for a question. Why does it seem like nobody ever furthers the discussion by asking questions? Why does it seem like everybody gives the same "answers" over and over and over and over again? Why does everybody rant like I'm doing now?
I have to repeat only one idea (I promise!)-- that ACTION is the only thing that counts. Therefore let's start with this thread: a tiny bit of structure for a lot of gain. I'm noting your UID 'cause you seem to have asked an intelligent question. Now I have two names on my list. Who else at
Maybe I'm being a bit vague (I *have* eaten too many Penguin mints, after all
I *like* this thread. As has been said too much before, numbers and organization count. So what I'm saying here, raygundan, is: let's talk. And anyone else who understands the idea of creating the new rather than rehashing the old. (Read Frederick Douglas!) Feel free to email me unless you're a spammer... but I'll continue in a new post.
Ah-ha! And there's the rub.
/me puts on his "intellectual purity" hat.
I hate to say it, but over the last few months, I've been forced to use M$ more and more, and... I almost like it.
WAIT! DON'T FLAME ME YET!
I use linux as my main server and workstation platform wherever I can, but the software and www developers that I work with for some reason prefer M$ (don't ask me why). But, as long as I have to use it, I'm glad that it's not MORE offensive-- granted there are a lot of bass-ackwards things about Windose, but nothing's perfect. And I can think of a whole lot worse things to be *forced* to use (Solaris springs immediately to mind). If I have to use M$, it had better be REALLY friggin' mindless. And it is.
That's the advantage I see to Windows, which is pointed out quite well by the above poster-- there *is* a Windows mindset, and it's "I don't care about technical elegance, freedom or any of those other features. I just want to do my fscking job and go home to watch The Real World." And Windose is remarkably good at placating the masses.
Okay, now you can flame me.
Power wolves beset your door, feel them stalking
What happened to the Metallica I used to know? There was a time when Metallica used to write songs about corruption and the irresponsible use of power. Now you guys are sueing your fans!? They say success changes people, I guess it's true. What happened to the band that wrote And Justice For All?
The point is that 1) whether or not Free Speech SHOULD include pix of toddlers diddling bison, in just about every country in the world, it doesn't. 2)When (not if) someone gets a bee in his/her bonnet about the kiddie porn, then the Feds squeeze anyone they can. Hard. Note that this is not necessarily ethical, but ask a NRA member what he/she thinks about "Jenny's Bill" (or whatever that monster's called).
...but, then again, IANAL.
Doesn't Jean-loup translate to John-wolf? How did you get this name? Is there a story behind it? Is it because you're a hit with the ladies? Or (and I hope not) because you're a wolf-in-sheep's-clothing, i.e. a M$ spy?
Hee hee. "When they do betas it might be on par with what you had before." I've always said that Netscrape 4.x was beta quality, no more ;)
Wow. Lemme tell you, I have a hard enough time keeping ahead of all the script-kiddie attacks on IRC-- do you really think I'd PLUG something into my HEAD that can make me puke?
...So I'm happily playing Descent 5 some evening, with my linux-supported USB (hey, I can dream) Verti-go-go, when some '7337 haxor-type decides that the Ping of Death isn't enough and sends me an Oversized Packet of Core Dump... but it's not X that barfs, it's me. No way, Jose.
What's next? Virtua Fighter arcade machines with a little springy boxing glove to knock the wind out of you? How about the new ultra-VR goggles from STB that burn your retinas out if you look at the flare from a BFG 9000? Ooh! I know! The ultimate in teledildonics-- USB vice grips so you can get blue balls whilst on IRC!
Wow-- a lot of really good points have been brought up about the effects and treatments of mental health disorders, and I'm not going to try to sum them up or distill them. BUT (there is always a but) I think that there is a MUCH larger issue here. Again, it has been brought up and I'm not going to try to point to all of those threads, but here's my take:
;) because the Uni is playing dollars and cents instead of looking out for its constituents. Only now they're playing with our *health*!?
The mistake, as I see it, is to assume that a) either pharmaceutical companies or the Federal Government have our best interests at heart; b) that if Uncle Sam *does* really want what's best that a law will help. Read some of Noam Chomsky's work. The biggest influence on federal policy is Big Business-- what individual or "interest group" has the resources, both monetary and political, that Philip-Morris, Microsoft, DuPont or Pfizer can bring to bear on policy?
The same sort of idea, when applied on a smaller scale in a different industry has raised a similar hullabaloo. For example, how about universities which sign big contracts with Microsoft agreeing to use only NT/2000 in their facilities, in return for a hefty discount? The community goes nuts (or at least it should
The emotions that have been displayed here so far are (in my book) exhibit A in the case AGAINST this type of government action. We feel so strongly about the issue because lack of/inappropriate attention has hurt us and our loved ones. History is against the argument that the federal government wants what's best for the little guy.
> Still, I don't understand how you can make a service out of providing public domain information.
/. story about this kind of law-- anyone wanna link to it?
I think the point is that re-distribution of a database is suspect-- the compiler of a collection of information (database) *owns* that information. There was a law being considered (passed? overturned?) a while ago that said exactly this, and I suspect that this is eBay's strategy. Another example is NSI-- they have stated (and again I don't know the current status of this policy) that anyone attempting to distribute the contents of their WHOIS database will be prosecuted. So imagine this-- I have a web page www.whatever.com, and a cgi that queries the WHOIS database for MY OWN DOMAIN info and then puts it up on www.whatever.com. NSI can prosecute me for this! Yet another example (this one I got from a buncha objections raised to the afore-mentioned law) is a company that compiles a database of consumer "profiles"-- you might not have ownership of your own data! Owch.
Now that I think about it, there is probably an old
An interesting twist to the eBay story:
I am a systems admin for Neutron Computers (please don't hate me for it, it pays the bills) and we had several incidents where the owner of an auction would either link images directly to our web site (bad) or pull HTML straight from our pages, so the product description would be formatted EXACTLY THE SAME, even down to copyright notices in the text/code (worse)! Anyway, we contacted them about it and they disclaimed liability, citing their user agreement which places all legal responsibility on the auction's owner. So apparantly eBay wants to have its cake and eat it too-- they own the contents of their databases but aren't responsible for it!
I hate eBay anyway for the same reason I hate irc, magic:the_gathering, television, daily-pic-posts and heroin. Too damn addictive.
(the views expressed in this... er... rant are entirely my own and are not shared, endorsed, baptized, etc. by my employers, my university or pretty much anyone with half a brain.)
The CERT advisory seemed to imply that the vulnerability existed not only in ssh but also sshd. This would make sense, considering the nature of the hole. Is there a difference between the client and the daemon; in other words should I be worried about sshd if ssh is clean? I would hope that there is a large enough code base in common between ssh and sshd that if one is clean the other is too, but I'm not so naive as to assume that anyone writes good code these days ;) So I guess the question is-- if ssh -V is okay, does that mean that sshd is okay too?
Hahahaha. This was pretty funny, but the idioms were surprisingly intact, despite the alternate wordings/phrasings. The really funny part came when I moved to the next /. story, about the puffin. The story made no sense! I was laughing at it, as if it were a bad translation! I have often stopped and laughed at a page in a technical book/article, when I stopped parsing it as teknospeak and realized that, fifty or a hundred years ago (or even to, say, my mother) the whole thing would be SHEER GIBBERISH. Ha-ha. I don't know quite what my point is, but I'm sure I have one.
Could you repeat that, I wasn't listening...
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