I'm sorry, I was unable to read your entire paragraph because of my policy on giving up early on boring stuff but from the few sentences I've managed to handle it seems to me that you're the kind of biased developer whose tests I would trust less than a roomful of nonchalant, untrained users.
Automated tests are truly like spell-check. They are there to catch the easy stuff, not to prevent you from writing stupid things.
I'm fairly confident that people working on Chrome have all the bells and whistles in terms of automated tests, but see, it takes a bored (or hostile) user to figure out that typing a specific series of keys in the address bar could break the browser. Because it's stupid and completely beyond the point of the address bar. In my opinion the desired behavior of the browser in such situation is irrelevant.
The number of people on the internet who think that testing is a substitute for proof and/or that it can magically eliminate all bugs is pretty terrifying.
True. Tests will tell you if something doesn't work, not if it does work.
Automated tests are overrated anyways, they are more like a spell-check than a writing aid. I'd rather have a roomful of nonchalant, untrained users and unleash them on my product than trust the outcome of a series of tests written by biased developers.
Totally agree. I clearly remember fanbois (here and in the Apple biased mass media) making fun of large screen Android phones. But when the iPhone with a big screen came out, it was suddenly the greatest thing in the world.
There was also the "death of PC", which is now swept under the rug as Apple is making more money with laptops than with iPads.
Apple was cool in 2008-2010. Now it's just like a former high school jock who ends up selling lawn-mowers and power tools at Home Depot, his glory days over.
iPad sales are down 22% year over year. Soon enough people who own one will even be shy to bring it out in public, like teenage girls tearing down their One Direction posters.
You're amazingly misinformed for someone that arrogant.
I can see why Microsoft would LIKE to compete in the Ipad market.......but its stupid to do so..
This is correct. It would be stupid to compete in a dying market. Looks at the sales numbers - iPads will be the next thing to disappear from the top menu on Apple's website (after the iPod).
Apple sells a lot of iPhones, a decent number of laptops, and they make money on App Store and iTunes commissions. Everything else on their website is over or a fad.
That's hardly a tablet. More like a cinder block. Twice the weight of an iPod, almost four times the weight of a Surface Pro 3. Might as well be sturdy because people who carry this kind of brick around are more likely to drop it.
The conclusion here is not that iPads or Surface Pros are toys. The conclusion is that you bought a heavy, overpriced laptop disguised as a tablet that probably never leaves your desk. Why didn't you buy a big Alienware or Lenovo gamer workstation instead? For that same dollar figure you'd get a lot more horsepower and more or less the same portability.
There's always a fanboi to come out and defend the Prophet when the Church makes a 180 on his Sacred Word. Of course the point is always that the Word was misunderstood, not that everyone now, even in the Church, knows that it was stupid.
It's probably that smiley that slowed you down just a nanosecond and prevented you from being first. And it doesn't even have a nose! How can you lose the frist over something that hasn't got a nose. Lame.
Markets that lean toward the "needs" tend to be rather stable forms of employment. For example, please see agriculture. OTOH, "wants" based markets are risky, yet can be very rewarding and profitable during boom times, yet suck wind during a bust. For example, please see Las Vegas.
Are you aware that the US government is spending on average 97 billions PER YEAR on subsidies and misc support programs for farmers? That's the only reasons farms haven't collapsed.
Meanwhile, gaming and tourism in Las Vegas generates a cool 50 billions every year. That's about 14 billions in wages that benefit 40% of the Southern Nevada workforce. And if you look at the economic growth curve, you'll see pretty much a stable increase over the last century.
"Common sense economics" is never a good alternative to cold hard facts.
Be careful whose advice you buy but be patient with those who supply it. Advice is a form of nostalgia, dispensing it is a way of fishing the past from the disposal, wiping it off, painting over the ugly parts and recycling it for more than it's worth
I've been working in IT since before most Apple store employees were born, and I have worked with the most obscure and unpleasant APIs IBM's nightmare factories were able to vomit. Yet, I'm baffled by vlookups in Excel.
So the investors and executives cared more for the quick buck instead of long-term growth of the company. What a shame...
This is how Wall Street works. Investors no longer hold stock for a long time, merely cashing in dividends. They want the stock price to go up, quick. So they vote for board members who will promote that agenda. Then board members hire a management team that can deliver the agenda. The stock price goes up, the investors sell to other investors. Rince and repeat.
What is amazing is that the investors who have the most influence in this process are institutional investors (such as pension funds) who need to make a profit with their investments to meet their own needs (such as paying out pensions). So in order to make a profit, those large investors drive a short-term agenda that, globally, hurts their customer base. With one hand they give you a 8% return in your 401(k), with the other one they drive your employer (and many others) to the brink of destruction by always forcing executives to think short term.
Best advice I could give ANYONE? Don't get into a "want" line of business - get into a NEED line instead (people wanting is VERY SECONDARY to needing).
Excellent advice. That's how Apple made truckloads of cash: because people NEED iPhones and iPads, and why Safeway got in financial trouble (since people merely "want" food).
I'm not saying the moral issue didn't play a role. I'm saying it wasn't all about the moral issue. Like any war, it was mostly about money and power.
100 years from now people will say that the Iraq war was fought to free the Iraqis and Kurds. Will they be right? Partially. But we all know the real reasons. Been like that forever, will be like that forever.
It's beyond the point but these machines are fantastic. The barcode reader is impressive, you don't need to move the box around to get the beep. Almost makes me want to become a cashier but apparently it's not a job with a thriving future.
I now prefer self-checkout, Wal-mart or grocery store, just like I prefer an ATM to a cashier.
No. If I had been present during that war I would have picked the North side. I'm all for freedom - actually I'm even disgusted when today's people say that they "own" animals, that's the extent of where I think freedom will go one day (probably long after I'm gone).
But that doesn't mean I'm blind to the fact that civil war is more than just "Wrong vs Right".
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I'm sorry, I was unable to read your entire paragraph because of my policy on giving up early on boring stuff but from the few sentences I've managed to handle it seems to me that you're the kind of biased developer whose tests I would trust less than a roomful of nonchalant, untrained users.
Automated tests are truly like spell-check. They are there to catch the easy stuff, not to prevent you from writing stupid things.
I'm fairly confident that people working on Chrome have all the bells and whistles in terms of automated tests, but see, it takes a bored (or hostile) user to figure out that typing a specific series of keys in the address bar could break the browser. Because it's stupid and completely beyond the point of the address bar. In my opinion the desired behavior of the browser in such situation is irrelevant.
The question remains (and you can ask the same of Wall Street criminals)- when has any executive ever paid for this kind of negligence?
Like, say, Enron people?
It's all good now. Employees have been fired and some guy on a Symantec blog said the internet was never at risk. We all can relax and enjoy life.
"Look ma, I've put the chrome in the dishwasher and now it won't facebook, what a piece of crap"
The number of people on the internet who think that testing is a substitute for proof and/or that it can magically eliminate all bugs is pretty terrifying.
True. Tests will tell you if something doesn't work, not if it does work.
Automated tests are overrated anyways, they are more like a spell-check than a writing aid. I'd rather have a roomful of nonchalant, untrained users and unleash them on my product than trust the outcome of a series of tests written by biased developers.
Totally agree. I clearly remember fanbois (here and in the Apple biased mass media) making fun of large screen Android phones. But when the iPhone with a big screen came out, it was suddenly the greatest thing in the world.
There was also the "death of PC", which is now swept under the rug as Apple is making more money with laptops than with iPads.
Apple was cool in 2008-2010. Now it's just like a former high school jock who ends up selling lawn-mowers and power tools at Home Depot, his glory days over.
iPad sales are down 22% year over year. Soon enough people who own one will even be shy to bring it out in public, like teenage girls tearing down their One Direction posters.
You're amazingly misinformed for someone that arrogant.
I can see why Microsoft would LIKE to compete in the Ipad market.......but its stupid to do so..
This is correct. It would be stupid to compete in a dying market. Looks at the sales numbers - iPads will be the next thing to disappear from the top menu on Apple's website (after the iPod).
Apple sells a lot of iPhones, a decent number of laptops, and they make money on App Store and iTunes commissions. Everything else on their website is over or a fad.
That's hardly a tablet. More like a cinder block. Twice the weight of an iPod, almost four times the weight of a Surface Pro 3. Might as well be sturdy because people who carry this kind of brick around are more likely to drop it.
The conclusion here is not that iPads or Surface Pros are toys. The conclusion is that you bought a heavy, overpriced laptop disguised as a tablet that probably never leaves your desk. Why didn't you buy a big Alienware or Lenovo gamer workstation instead? For that same dollar figure you'd get a lot more horsepower and more or less the same portability.
There's always a fanboi to come out and defend the Prophet when the Church makes a 180 on his Sacred Word. Of course the point is always that the Word was misunderstood, not that everyone now, even in the Church, knows that it was stupid.
Apple got outsmarted at their own game... ...by Microsoft, no less.
You forgot: "again".
It's probably that smiley that slowed you down just a nanosecond and prevented you from being first. And it doesn't even have a nose! How can you lose the frist over something that hasn't got a nose. Lame.
Excellent advice. ...
everyone loves sarcasm and there's never enough around somehow
I totally agree and I appreciate that you didn't use sarcasm to make your point.
Markets that lean toward the "needs" tend to be rather stable forms of employment. For example, please see agriculture. OTOH, "wants" based markets are risky, yet can be very rewarding and profitable during boom times, yet suck wind during a bust. For example, please see Las Vegas.
Are you aware that the US government is spending on average 97 billions PER YEAR on subsidies and misc support programs for farmers? That's the only reasons farms haven't collapsed.
Meanwhile, gaming and tourism in Las Vegas generates a cool 50 billions every year. That's about 14 billions in wages that benefit 40% of the Southern Nevada workforce. And if you look at the economic growth curve, you'll see pretty much a stable increase over the last century.
"Common sense economics" is never a good alternative to cold hard facts.
Let me quote Baz Luhrmann on this.
Be careful whose advice you buy but be patient with those who supply it. Advice is a form of nostalgia, dispensing it is a way of fishing the past from the disposal, wiping it off, painting over the ugly parts and recycling it for more than it's worth
from Everybody's Free (to Wear Sunscreen)
I've been working in IT since before most Apple store employees were born, and I have worked with the most obscure and unpleasant APIs IBM's nightmare factories were able to vomit. Yet, I'm baffled by vlookups in Excel.
Is our children learning the internets?
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I learned something today.
Reminds me of that bit from George Carlin about gun control...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?...
So the investors and executives cared more for the quick buck instead of long-term growth of the company. What a shame...
This is how Wall Street works. Investors no longer hold stock for a long time, merely cashing in dividends. They want the stock price to go up, quick. So they vote for board members who will promote that agenda. Then board members hire a management team that can deliver the agenda. The stock price goes up, the investors sell to other investors. Rince and repeat.
What is amazing is that the investors who have the most influence in this process are institutional investors (such as pension funds) who need to make a profit with their investments to meet their own needs (such as paying out pensions). So in order to make a profit, those large investors drive a short-term agenda that, globally, hurts their customer base. With one hand they give you a 8% return in your 401(k), with the other one they drive your employer (and many others) to the brink of destruction by always forcing executives to think short term.
Best advice I could give ANYONE? Don't get into a "want" line of business - get into a NEED line instead (people wanting is VERY SECONDARY to needing).
Excellent advice. That's how Apple made truckloads of cash: because people NEED iPhones and iPads, and why Safeway got in financial trouble (since people merely "want" food).
I'm not saying the moral issue didn't play a role. I'm saying it wasn't all about the moral issue. Like any war, it was mostly about money and power.
100 years from now people will say that the Iraq war was fought to free the Iraqis and Kurds. Will they be right? Partially. But we all know the real reasons. Been like that forever, will be like that forever.
The secessionists did not secede through process of law, they did not petition the Federal Government
Are you quoting Muhamar Gaddafi or Bashar al-Assad?
It's beyond the point but these machines are fantastic. The barcode reader is impressive, you don't need to move the box around to get the beep. Almost makes me want to become a cashier but apparently it's not a job with a thriving future.
I now prefer self-checkout, Wal-mart or grocery store, just like I prefer an ATM to a cashier.
No. If I had been present during that war I would have picked the North side. I'm all for freedom - actually I'm even disgusted when today's people say that they "own" animals, that's the extent of where I think freedom will go one day (probably long after I'm gone).
But that doesn't mean I'm blind to the fact that civil war is more than just "Wrong vs Right".