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HP To Jettison Up To 30,000 Jobs As Part of Spinoff
An anonymous reader writes: Hewlett-Packard says its upcoming spinoff of its technology divisions focused on software, consulting and data analysis will eliminate up to 30,000 jobs. The cuts announced Tuesday will be within the newly formed Hewlett Packard Enterprise, which is splitting from the Palo Alto, California company's personal computer and printing operation. "The new reductions amount to about 10 percent of the new company's workforce, and will save about $2.7 billion in annual operating costs." The split is scheduled to be completed by the end of next month. "The head of the group, Mike Nefkens, outlined a plan under which it is cutting jobs in what he called 'high-cost countries' and moving them to low-cost countries. He said that by the end of HP Enterprise’s fiscal year 2018, only 40 percent of the group’s work force will be located in high-cost countries."
This is still Carly's fault
most execs get a bonus based on stock price. if it ain't happening, the execs MAKE it happen. paid for by 30K pink-slips.
But clearly Meg Whitman asked herself, What would Carly have done?
Now that the greedy VC hawks are swirling around even more so. HP is as good as dead.
At least remove Bill and Dave's names from the company at least. The company that exists now has nothing to do with either of them.
What happens when they try to sell high price services and products to all those out of jobs in 'high cost' countries?
Or did I miss something.
HP... ...Fuck you.
ie: anywhere that doesn't treat humans like dirt.
This is the old game. They bring in some skilled foreigners "via H1-B" (from Malaysia, India, Vietnam, etc). They work alongside the American team. The managers tell the engineers to get them up to speed. A year later those folks go back to the home country where it is cheaper. the Americans are expected to work internationally as a team with them.
Next, coincidentally, the CEO announces an option for employees to get a payout for those that would like to leave. A few months later, the CEO announces job cuts typically 10% and focuses on the mid level management and engineering teams that taught the H1-B folks.
This happens all the time. I was glad I took the payout and saw the writing on the wall.
Remember if you are expected to teach foreigners your work and they overlap your team's skill set, within a year or two you will be gone.
How cost countries or low profit margin countries?
slap those resumes up all over town, leave them gasping from their own poison gas.
if this is supposed to be a new economy, how come they still want my old fashioned money?
So the investors and executives cared more for the quick buck instead of long-term growth of the company. What a shame...
...there is no longer a shortage of STEM resources in the US.
Mission Accomplished!
I saw the same TOO many times, & did something about it: I got into my OWN business where the product literally can't be "built overseas" & everyone needs it - It literally allowed me to ALMOST completely stop working as a software engineer/programmer analyst/network admin completely (actually, I could totally stop, & I've proven that to myself for the 2008-2013 period as a test of sorts... wasn't easy, scared the hell out of me taking that risk, but I wanted... no NEEDED to know I could pull it off!).
I did, successfully, 2008 to present & so far, Thank the merciful Lord, it's been good!
So far this year, I've done 3 contracts for a Fortune 100/500 for a custom application & servers + workstation migration/upgrade, & have a small one coming up this weekend that's REALLY simple - retail POS update (extra cash for what I consider EASY work in networking? Hey, why not! Gets me outta the house if anything & a couple extra bucks never hurts!). That's a TYPICAL year for me. No joke, as far as working for others that is.
Best advice I could give ANYONE? Don't get into a "want" line of business - get into a NEED line instead (people wanting is VERY SECONDARY to needing).
APK
P.S.=> I learned 2 things a LONG time ago: First is, you're not wealthy if you're working for others (they get wealthy off YOUR time, life, & efforts - paying you peanuts by comparison to what YOUR efforts help make them) & second is, if you're not letting your monies work for you, instead working for your monies? You're NOT well-off, & a wageslave selling the MOST valuable asset you have - your TIME, & LIFE, which there is no online or brick & mortar outlet out there to buy more of it from... apk
"The purge announced Tuesday will occur within the newly formed Hewlett Packard Enterprise, a bundle of technology divisions focused on software, consulting and data analysis that is splitting off from the company's personal computer and printing operations."
Wha? They are keeping consumer business, spinning off the Enterprise business, and it will be moving to low wage nations?!?! I thought enterprise was the high paying american jobs, and consumer was the cheap, crappy stuff that would get outsourced to China?
Hmm, what happens when you have no customers left in the "high-cost countries" to buy your kit? You're not going to sell much to the drones making $5/hr.
So then everyone could lose their instead of just a few? That would have happened to GM I'd Obama hadn't ignored the law and bailed them out.
Wrong. HP wants us to starve while the Republicans want us to die.
Which one's the printer and which one's the ink?
They should keep paying 30,000 people they don't need. Shouldn't they?
GM didn't fail because of anything that the unions did, the workers could have been free and they would still have been in trouble. Why? Because the problem was on the finance end of things, where the executives had put the company in perpetual hock, but then along came the Wall Street meltdown.
Oops. Crash.
Operationally, GM and Chrysler were running a general profit. All the bankruptcy proceedings did was allow them to coerce their various associates into more favorable terms, like jettisoning some brands, dumping some dealers and otherwise clearing house. That's why they were able to quickly transition to other loans once the finance markets decided to play ball again.
IBM has been doing these kinds of layoffs for decades. If you read the article, it looks like they're planning on rehiring some of the same positions. This can be either one of the following:
- Jettisoning "expensive" older, experienced workers that just happen to not be working on today's buzzword set (cloud and mobile in today's case) and replacing them with fresh young "talented" Millenials
- Dumping everyone overboard and just moving the work wholesale to India or similar low cost countries.
This is the MO for IBM nowadays. They're dumping hardware, but they're also trying to turn themselves into some kind of white shoe management consulting firm. To do this, you need to raise profit margins on service contracts, and this is the obvious choice,
I've worked in some very big companies and I've seen my share of dead wood. I've seen managers who no longer have a team but are still somehow on the payroll, I've seen people who literally do nothing all day because their job has been taken over by someone else, and all the other fun/scary examples. But when you're talking about 30,000 employees, that's not all dead wood. If I had to guess, they're killing off the remainder of the EDS guys who know mainframe stuff inside and out. I work in the airline industry and I'm sure those experienced guys look like a juicy target to an MBA or accountant, regardless of how much they know and how awful their Indian, Vietnamese or other replacement is going to be.
The loss of HP, as it was from perhaps 1950 to 2000, wasn't just the loss of a brand or a manufacturer, it was the loss of an art form, a craft, a cherished part of engineering culture.
Their stuff was just so damn good, all of it.
A little detail that isn't often mentioned. In the 1980s or thereabouts, everything HP advertised was real. They never played the vaporware game, they never cheated just a bit on timing the ads. If you saw the ad in a magazine, it was finished, it was real, you could order it, it would arrive in a week or two--and it would work the way it was supposed to and meet all the specs. This, in a day when their competitors would run ads based on models or empty cases up to six months before the product was finished.
Using an incandescent light bulb as a feedback element in their audio oscillators was sheer elegance.
All their instruments were works of art. All of them had front panels that today's user interface designers ought to be studying. All the groupings made sense, almost every control was individually designed to perform its intended function. HP instruments looked good, felt good, were easy to use, and did exactly what they were supposed to do.
The first LaserJet was a revelation, and it worked perfectly, The first DeskJet was in many ways even more amazing--a 300 dpi printer for $600 when laser printers cost $3,000 and every other $600 machine was about 80 dpi if you were lucky.
HP's desk calculators were sweet, and the HP-35 was just a revelation when it came out. Everyone was proud of being able to do a square root, and here's this beautiful thing. Did everything a slide rule could do, everything, to ten-place accuracy when a slide rule would get you at most three. And, again unlike the competition--most particularly unlike TI--the math was impeccable, no glitches, no odd cases--they knew their numerical analysis and they got it right. RPN seemed weird, but at least it was consistent.The competition could never get this right--they would claim that you entered it "algebraically" but you would key in 30, then "sin" instead of sin(30).
The loss of the engineering days of HP was the loss of a whole discipline, a whole body of corporate memory on how to do things right. An irreparable loss of know-how. And it was engineering in the full sense of the word--these weren't self-indulgent overengineered toys, they were priced competitively and sold against competition in a real marketplace--and they were still so good.
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why? because they are making sane choices to stay cost competitive in a cut throat low margin business? personally I think they are making a smart choice if they want to stay in business in future, quite possibly this is the only way they can hope to survive.
What do we need?
STEM Jobs!
Where do we need them?
Cheap labor cost countries!
What STEM jobs can Americans do?
Train their foreign replacements!
What can congress do!
More H1-B's, we need cheap STEM labor and we need it now.
What can you do?
Don't be a lowly middle class American, be a CEO of a STEM company and outsource your way to quarterly profits. If that doesn't work, reorganize and break up business units and sell them off. Maybe hookup with a corporate raider like Ichan and rack up a lot of debt, pay large dividends to shareholders then go bankrupt.
Unions are part of the problem. The inability to compete with other countries on equal footing is devastating to a business that needs to operate on a global level. That doesn't mean the workers have to be living in sweatshops working 7 days a week for a $1, but it does mean that decisions on wages, hours and conditions need to be addressed in a reasonable manner and this is something Unions are just not capable of doing.
A little detail that isn't often mentioned. In the 1980s or thereabouts, everything HP advertised was real. They never played the vaporware game, they never cheated just a bit on timing the ads. If you saw the ad in a magazine, it was finished, it was real, you could order it, it would arrive in a week or two--and it would work the way it was supposed to and meet all the specs. This, in a day when their competitors would run ads based on models or empty cases up to six months before the product was finished.
Then one day the power supply needs replaced and it's proprietary with no substitute available, nope never cared for HP computers.
When GM spun off their component plants into their own public corporation (Delphi), almost all of their production was in the US. Now, after a bankruptcy that completely fucked the salaried staff (as in degreed engineers) out of their pensions, nearly all of Delphi's manufacturing operations are offshore. This is exactly what the two "new" HP entitites will do - stumble briefly, bankruptcy, throw the pensions off to the government (like Delphi did) and move everything - and I mean EVERYTHING offshore. Good luck with buying gear and getting support from that dysfunctional monster.
I'd forgotten all about that. Thanks for the trip down memory lane.
You are welcome on my lawn.
to China, just like every other technology & manufacturing jobs. If the USA would rid itself of the stupid 16th amendment, FIRE the IRS and go with a flat/fairtax idea, the amount of money coming back INTO the USA, along with the jobs would be so huge, most of the wanting to work illegal aliens would get jobs, instead of illegally obtaining "welfare". But, we can't have that, it would take away ALL politicians power. Not to mention a lot of under the table cash they get from business, to tweak the codes to give them breaks on everything.
...see, Meg ain't doing much better either
Look at it this way, companies like IBM are training inexperienced college graduates for big corporations.
Remember that HP (The real HP that made electronic test equipment) was spun off into Agilent which was recently spun off again into Keysight Technoogies.
(2009)
HP -> HP (Computers, Printers etc)
-> Agilent (Life Sciences, Electronic Test)
(2014)
Agilent -> Agilent (Life Sciences etc)
-> Keysight Technologies (Electronic Test)
So when you talk to engineers about HP, we think Agilent and now Keysight as having the original DNA of HP
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"If you want people to less of something, put a tax on it."
- President Barak Obama (shortly before signing one of the largest taxes on employment in the last 50 years).
More recently, POTUS ruled that any companies who do any business witht the federal government (most large companies) are not allowed to have their lower-paid jobs in the US, hiring students and other lower cost workers. Instead, they must either outsource, or overpay for these positions, putting them at a disadvantage to competitors.
Once you got used to it, it was quite natural, and less keystrokes than parentheses.
Table-ized A.I.
I collect, repair and use classic test gear. I have a good collection of tektronix, hp, keithley, fluke (pretty much all 'just names' at this point; danaher ruined most of them, sigh). the old stuff is amazing, almost magic. the new stuff is overpriced (even by hp standards) and is not designed to last. on the eevblog forum, there was a big thread about an agilent high-end handheld DMM that bricked itself during a fw update and hp's reply was 'sorry, we can't fix it; its not fixable by design'. really??? what the fuck! no backup boot block and no way to jtag fix it? you can't be serious. big stink on eevblog and it taught many of us that we should now avoid hp^H^Hagilent^H^Hkeysight for test/meas gear.
the stuff they make now will never be called 'classic'. its all disposble and even the chinese scopes like rigol and its ilk beat the snot out of the old school brand names, that pretty much invented the tech, 50 or more years ago.
I interviewed at hp in palo alto a few months ago. it took months, they dragged their feet, they could not decide, they could not define what they wanted and after nearly a whole day there, they gave me a thumbs down with no reason given. months of 'we want you!' bullshit from the recruiter only to find that the team does not even know what it wants.
you'd have to be nuts to apply to hp (or amazon, for that matter) these days. perhaps I dodged a bullet by not getting the job at hp.
gotta say, though, the inside of HP looked quite dreary. lame-ass open office, no space for personal stuff, not even cups in the break room (seriously; I had to ask to borrow someone's coffee mug at their desk when I 'dared' ask for some water to keep near me during my interview.)
HP is dead. parts of it don't know it yet, but they are 'dead men walking'.
really a shame. HP was a tier-1 company in their day. when I was starting out, working for DEC or HP or Sun or SGI was the best place to be (all high end unix and unix-like workstation companies and all were great to work for back in the day). now, what do we have? essentially none of those computer companies are around anymore. their culture, which was a valuable part of who they were, has all washed away, as well. the 'hp way' died 15 years ago or more.
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"It is now safe to switch off your computer."
I hope the loss in revenue from high cost countries will be beneficial to them as low cost countries will be the only one buying HP.
I've certainly decided to never buy HP again.
It's amazing to think about the stupidity of killing off rich markets in order to gain an initial profit before you're forced to sell your product to more poorer markets.
It'll be interesting to see how much they end up selling printer ink for in Somalia.
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>" Cutting jobs in what he called 'high-cost countries' and moving them to low-cost countries".
Note: Chinese Brand Rigol was bought and is owned by Keysight.
#ThanksCarly !
That's what I really want to hear about.
no, those are not the low margin businesses. guess again
The existence of sweatshops, ratraps and employee abuse shows that management can't be trusted either.
Bill moved the dems hard right so they could win elections after the lost the blue collar guys to social issues and the welfare queen rhetoric. The Republicans had to go further right to maintain a distinct identity..
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Amazingly, the VP idiots who decided to fire the 30,000 people will all get raises that add up to the exact salary of the 30,000 people.
This is all a complete coincidence.
And it all did die about 1999. I bought an HP computer about that time. Swore to never buy an HP again. Proprietary, unexpandable, locked. I had heard about HP before, but even then HP computer wasn't really HP from the HP way. "Things done right" aren't what CXO's, MBA's, accountants and Go-Go management have in mind. They want quick quick. It shouldn't be so sloppy that it looks obvious, but they want shoddy, fast, same price. Oh and if you could work at 1/2 price that would be good too. Cutting costs, cutting people. The quality control department can be eliminated because we can get the people building it to do their own quality control. Also quality control people will stop a shipment if the product is bad. We must ship to maintain revenues, and the quality people might actually argue with salespeople. We cannot accept this! We can eliminate quality, hire more sales, ship on time, and outsource the call center so that if a product is poor quality, customers will get served by an overseas team at a dramatically lower labor rate.
Posting as AC. Guess why.
For the past month I have been offshoring my position to India, and I am on my way out the door.
Even though I could find more work in my position on other contract within the company, as other people voluntarily leave their positions, this is not happening - possibly because of this initiative.
HPE (enterprise) is on a drive to offshore as much as possible. They said so themselves. They can do this because most of the work is done in a "virtual workplace" anyway, thanks to Skype for business, Office 365, Sharepoint, Exchange, etc. It has become work that anyone in the world with an internet connection could do, and not have to meet anyone face-to-face, and often we don't - not even the customers. We never see the equipment we work on because we no longer have to. It's all done remotely. All accounts, payroll, timekeeping, internal stuff is done online.
ITIL procedures are strictly enforced because that usually prevents complete muppets from doing anything stupid. It does mean that getting things done take forever, as typically nothing gets done without a pile of excel sheets typed up, authorizations from numerous people, and with all the documentation so that HP can cover itself legally. Loads of time is wasted on communications and collaboration because of the virtual work environment. I liken this work environment to trying to build the pyramids by commanding the slaves from an underground bunker with only a phone line to the outside world...... but if the cashed up customer is happy footing the extremely large bill for all of this.... who am I to argue?
The majority of work is moving to India.... or the Phillipines... or any country where the local populace are paid little but speak good enough English. There's simply no need to hire people in the west anymore when you can do this.
You're wrong. We Republicans want you to starve to death, slowly and painfully. We want you to look at the light in the eyes of your children grow dimmer and dimmer, we want you to see them grow gaunt and skeletal, wasting away before your very tear-filled eyes while you're powerless to do anything about it. We want you to scream in despair while they curse your name for bringing them into this cruel, cruel world and then letting them die. Because we're Republicans, we're evil, we hate you and that's the way of our kind.
If the Touchpad was a flop, what do you call writing off $5 billion after buying Autonomy?
It's too bad they didn't bother updating the hardware on the Touchpad. It would have been current had it been released a year earlier. The 7" Touchpad Go would have been nice too. :(
I'd say it was a pure corruption play. Clearly someone(s) got that $5B. The touchpad was pure tragedy - WebOS sounds like the second coming of BeOS - a great OS with great ideas that just came a bit too late to the party (and didn't have the blessing of the corporate elite).
Also keep in mind Microsoft's Skype acquisition (which in hindsight doesn't seem as bad - if MS would actually merge Skype into Windows or Office...) - the common factor being that since the money being used to purchase the offshore companies wasn't within the US, they could repatriate some of the money without paying taxes.
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Most of the cuts will occur in HPâ(TM)s long-troubled Enterprise Services unit and ay be offset by new hires in that unit.
Any bets on how many of the new hires will be H-1Bs? Or if the total of the H-1Bs hired in the "offset hiring" plus the last year or so before the layoffs will approximate the number of US citizens laid off?
Bantam Dominique roosters crow a four-note song. Once you've heard it as "Happy BIRTHday" you can't NOT hear it that way
...outlined a plan under which it is cutting jobs in what he called 'high-cost countries' and moving them to low-cost countries. He said that by the end of HP Enterprise’s fiscal year 2018, only 40 percent of the group’s work force will be located in high-cost countries."
It's just an easier way to say that they don't like their workers having any freedom.
Twitter supports and protects racists - by smearing their critics with the "Hate Speech" label.
First, repeal the 1965 Immigration Act and subsequent guest worker programs.
Next, place large penalties on offshoring such that a greater reward comes from a direct-hire, indefinite-term, FTE, majority-US/First World workforce.
Finally, calculate a penalty that will reward repatriation by making it costlier to keep things offshore. To twist the knife, employ individuals that the private sector has offshored, ignored in hiring, or given involuntary early retirement.
After that is all done, then they can have their tax cuts.
Twitter supports and protects racists - by smearing their critics with the "Hate Speech" label.
yeah communist, and donald trump does not exist.
i got my cs education at hp germany. i consider myself a hardcore engineer. what they wanted in1997 was already the flimsy kind of sales and marketing engineer. they really thought hard knowledge was useless. google and apple proved otherwise. lew platt was already a major part of the problem.
bill and dave were bad at strategic analysis. you cannot use an mba to compete with oracle, msft an google.
There is still one company which makes solid electronic test equipment: Rohde and Schwarz. Guess what:it's german, engineered and built in Germany. at least for the equipment we buy here in Europe.
The Republican party was founded by religious conservatives who were opposed to the sin of slavery. The only-give-a-damn-about-themselves-and-money wing of the GOP were originally the Whigs who were the party in opposition to the Democrats before the Republican party was created. Like all such people, they were too self-centered to take up an "icky" moral cause. When they made it clear that they had no principles beyond their own wealth and comfort, the American public rejected them and their party collapsed into oblivion. The idea that the modern GOP has been "taken over" by the very religious people who founded it is a joke pushed by the secular Whigs who've been trying to convert the GOP back into the Whig party of 1850 for many decades.
You say "the Republican party left you" ..... impossible if you are a so-called "moderate".
in what specific way? The GOP of today is far more left-wing and liberal than it was during the Reagan years; it's even to the left of where the DEMOCRATS were in the early 80's. Many in the GOP today are for drug legalization, and gay marriage (positions too far to the left for any DEMOCRAT to endorse in 1980). The GOP of George W Bush (from a family of modern Whigs who, like the Romney family worked very hard to prevent Reagan from getting elected) grew entitlements more than many Democrats have done (remember his prescription drug program?) and his dad slashed the nation's defenses more than most Democrats had dreamed of. The GOP of today is far less socially conservative, far less religious, far less defense-hawkish, and far less economically-conservative than it has ever been since its founding.
They've jettisoned what's left of EDS. Another HP investment that's turned to shit although EDS was going downhill when HP bought them.
Harrison's Postulate - "For every action there is an equal and opposite criticism"
Here's how it goes:
1. Inventor or inventors create new product.
2. Inventor/Inventors found new company and make a bunch of money.
3. He/she/they "take it public", exchanging cash infusion for a board of directors and investors who had nothing to do with founding it and don't care about it - they just want either a quick return on their cash or a big return later.
4. Corporation grows very large, diversifies, takes on many employees, grows layers of managers, all of whom expect golden parachutes and stock options etc.
5. The founder/founders leave, are kicked-out, or die. THIS IS THE MOMENT THE DEATH BEGINS. After this point the company is run by incompetent disinterested hacks. Some companies avoid/delay this fate by being run by a faithful close-family member of a founder (like Roy Disney taking over from Walt) but the failure resumes as soon as the founding family is gone, or a family member who does not actually care takes over.
6. The company rolls-on for years with a series of hired-gun CEOs and board members, none of whom have the original corporate vision and all of whom answer to a dis-interested board - All of these people do whatever they can to maximize short term profits so they get good pay and benefits. NONE of them care what happens to the company 10 years after they will be gone.
7. As each short-term boost-the-profits hack fails, the CEO and board begin to slash at the stuff that will reap them the best short-term benefits, while ultimately sabotaging the business: R&D and employees. Eventually, they sell-off assets, product lines, patent portfolios and so-on in a death-dive of cannibalism.
8. Notices go out to remaining employees about how valuable they are and the bright future ahead as merger talks arise. This is often followed by one or more mergers (one of which will inevitably involve a "holding company" which is an LLC)
See: IBM, GM, Chrysler, McDonnell-Douglas, COMPAQ, XEROX, Motorola, HP, etc.
the 1965 Immigration Act was the crowning achievement of Democrat patron-saint Teddy Kennedy. It was designed to eliminate the WASP (White Anglo-Saxon Protestant) majority on the U.S. thereby making it easier for Democrats to win elections by appealing to ethnic groups who were imported from parts of the world that were more-tolerant of top-down control and socialist economics. It's been critical to their political success, and without it Barack Obama would never have been elected. The Democrats will allow this to be undone at the same time they vote to ban abortions: i.e. NEVER.
Well, I did buy the HP TouchPad when it went on the fire sale discount price at the big box store all those years back. Does that count?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HP_TouchPad
Seriously, it was an okay product for the time, with a terrible stock HP-branded OS, the infamous WebOS. It worked much better when Android was hacked on there, and still runs KitKat today as a reader and [somewhat slow] game station for other members of the family.
IIRC, the fallout from the fiasco of HP's mismanagement at that time was what caused the fire-sale decision in the first place, and then the eventual departure of the then-CEO to jump overboard with his golden parachute intact. Jobs were lost then in the shakeup, and this just seems like a rerun of what we saw earlier.
Shame, the company used to make decent products at competitive prices back in the day. But that day was 20 years ago.
Mike Nefkens announce he will resign, as all his directors staff. They will be replaced by a new low-salary country managers at 1/100 of the initial head staff cost.
They'll be moving Mr. Nefkens' job to a low-cost country as well. Right?
Here's the executive order.
http://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/F...
I should have noted that it actually doesn't only apply to companies which do any business with the federal government, it also applies to companies which provide services or to those companies , and those who provide services to thise second-level companies , and so on down the line.
It would be LEGAL under this EO, though inconvenient, to move only the lower-paid jobs (interns, entry-level positions"that don't require a degree) oversees while keeping the rest of the facility in the US. Of course there are other penalties for hiring in the US for higher-paid jobs. As we've seen, many companies, like HP, decide to just move the entire facility overseas.
Eh, when I was fresh from college I interviewed with them. They didn't hire me saying they wanted "somebody with more experience". 5 years later, I got laid off, ended up interviewing with them again, and they came back with an offer. I was desperately trying to get anything else as even at that time I'd heard it was a crappy place to work where you'd do 80 hour weeks, never get bonuses and never get pay raises. I did get another offer and took that one instead. Been there 5 years now, and every time I see something like this, I just think to myself, yeah, I made the right decision not working there.
Ironic in a way though. They wouldn't hire me out of college because they wanted somebody with experience. As somebody with experience, it was a job I'd only take as a last resort.
See subject: However, isn't Android "king" in most smartphones sold & used?
* It "flip-flops" between Apple & Android a lot, so feel free to fill me in...
APK
P.S.=> The reason I note it, is since Android's are typical cheaper (afaik @ least), it's probably WHY they're sold more than Apple's IPhones (different target market demographic & what-not due to price points) - but my subject line above STILL holds true - today, you NEED to be able to communicate not only for personal use (a landline can do THAT), but moreso for PROFESSIONAL on-the-job use (smartphones replaced what I used to call "the electric choke-chain" in the BEEPER is all)... apk
He FAR from invalidated my point http://hardware.slashdot.org/c...
* :)
(People today, do NOT have a choice - you NEED to communicate, especially in professional environs - it's not a matter of want or even what YOU personally WANT - it's what employers NEED & thus, if you work for others, you need it too!)
As far as I'm concerned - The smartphone merely took the place of something many of you youngsters here might NOT even recall - the "beeper" (I called them electric choke chain dog collars, lol).
E.G./I.E. - How many jobs in THIS very field DEMAND you have a smartphone? Most of the ones I've seen in fact!
APK
P.S.=> As far as my reply being so late? Hey - I was sleeping (only human here)... apk
unless your child is a dog. Specifically, a big dog. 'cos, let the big dog eat :)
What's a talent shortage? Oh yeah, they'll still want their H1B visas.
In 2011 HP re-released the 15C calculator as the 15C-LE. They based it on the ARM-emulated platform for the 12C. The keyfeel wasn't as good as the original but it otherwise looked like a 15C. In a rush to get it out the door, someone screwed up and introduced a bug whereas the 'PSE' function would only work on the first time through a loop, meaning that if you wanted to, say, display a count of 1-10 on the LCD, you would only see '1', vs. '1, 2, 3...'
The offshored team which ported the code to the emulator was disbanded and the problem, among the others, was never fixed.
The end.
Most of the discussion is going on and on about history of once great company and how executive is destroying engineering.
But if you are CEO of HP in this situation what would you do?
How will you compete with outsourcing companies and their low cost pricing. Can we make American tech sector just as attractive for companies that they dont see need for outsourcing or do you consider it as lost battle.
This(outsourcing) is same thing that happened with manufacturing and China. Now its services and India. Look at what left of manufacturing companies in US
and you will have an idea of future of American Tech companies.
Can we now bury this stupid idea that we have a STEM talent shortage?
Nope! the propaganda must continue comrade! FORWARD!
All HP gear was pretty much fantastic..except for their oscilloscopes, which wouldn't trigger worth a flip
See subject: Buying back a companies OWN stock creates an illusion of "growth" also - a common trick used nowadays.
* I've often thought that MS is INTENTIONALLY devaluing their stock in order to do this, creating crap like VISTA/8/10 in order to devalue themselves so others will divest those stocks they hold in MS - & they'll turn around when it's cheapest, & buy it back when the price is low... & THEN?
THEN, they'll turn around & release a version of Windows that blows even 7 outta the water - really profiting bigtime & on the cheap due to buybacks.
(Doing this makes sense from a corporate mgt. perspective too - they KNOW CPU's & video + RAM are fast, but nobody's buying like before... they're fast enough to run these rigs for 1/2 decade++ @ a time before you buy again is why... so it'd be "prime-time" during such a downturn to do what I speculate above, waiting out the next "buying wave", cleaning up hugely by releasing a GOOD version of Windows to catch that wave...)
APK
P.S.=> I'd be almost willing to BET that's what's going on, since I can't believe anyone is as stupid as they have been since VISTA onwards... apk
That idea was pretty standard analog electronics applied to test gear.
In some old Fender tube amps, the Vibrato circuit works this way - a light bulb and photocell provided the pulse that controlled signal levels.
Great stuff, great design.
Even HP 9000 stuff was great. I was certified in it from HP-UX 9.X to 11.11, and the stuff ran well. It supported some enormous loads and it had some weird ways of handling heavy memory use - swapper was a weird dude - but it loaded up and didn't crash easily.
I was also certified in AIX, and while AIX's JFS and patching were better, it didn't handle heavy loads nearly as well.
(Now I use Linux and love it too. I'll be getting whiny and catankerous about it when the Next Big Thing comes along)
That's right. And it's still useful. I've got a pair of vintage Korg MS-20s and the LF oscillators have lights that flash. It's useful for getting an idea of the approximate tempo before you mix in the tremelo/vibrato/whatever. If it's a sine wave or sawtooth, the light dims and brightens. If it's a square wave, it's just on/off.
You are welcome on my lawn.
See subject: That's what buyback of stock "growth" is - a dangerous illusion & deceit!
APK
P.S.=> Think about it... apk
Funny, but dead on accurate here in the south. AC is like oxygen in the summer.
"HP To Jettison Up To 30,000 Jobs As Part of Spinoff"
If done from the ISS you would have 30K of pretty light streaks in the night sky . http://www.cnet.com/news/nasa-...
It seems HP has as much concern for it's workers a human waste, they both get jettisoned.
So rather than meet cost of living payroll obligations they just shift the work overseas because of course that will create more consumers that can afford to buy their products in the US?
-Eric