OK, I'll agree that at least 15-20% of people with piercing are stupid, because they didn't do their research. Most of the people I know do extensive research and educate them on the procedure, the piercer, and the appropriate care. Any intelligent person who gets a piercing has already done the googling, knows the risks involved, and takes steps to minimize that risk to a much more acceptable level.
Either you're a modern primative - and proud of it - or you're just a pierced freak who wants to add holes to your head (and elsewhere) because it's the in thing to do.
This dichotomy is all in your head, and is only reflective of your own personal judgment. Have you ever asked anyone why they were pierced? There are many reasons, most of which are very personal (extra sexual stimulation, to name just one). Now, assuming you wear a suit and tie, why do you do this? Is it for comfort, self expression, or is it because it's the ultimate 'in thing to do'? (you dress in a suit, and you're in!)
I'm a field installer and a road warrior so visible tattoos and piercings are definitely a no-no. The same goes for offensive bumper stickers. Besides, a man is ultimately measured by his actions, not his looks.
Um... is it just me, or are you contradicting yourself right there. First you say you judge people on how they look, then you say that you aren't measure by your looks...
You save someone's life and you're a hero. You get pierced from head to toe and you're pincushion.
OK, first of all, "hero"? Aren't we talking about IT? Second, do you think these are mutually exclusive? If so, why?
If I'm being honest I'd find it hard not to feel suspicous of the judgement of anyone in the field who thought it would a good idea to place bits of metal through their face (other than perhaps for non medial purposes), especially if they are over the age of about 25.
So what, other than being subject to your negative opinions, makes it a bad idea?
They are very potent messages, which don't jive too well with the other messages we're talking about, here.
For example (if we translate all of the messages involved into the spoken word):
You mean if you translate these messages. Since I'm not aware of any 'personal appearance->english' dictionary, your translation is a subjective fabrication of what you think someone else is thinking.
If you have heavy body modification, you're saying to anyone else that you don't care about yourself, and you certainly won't care about your work.
That's not what they are saying, that what you say to yourself. I'm sure you realize that your opinion in this case is totally subjective. I know this to be true because I know a number of creative, hard working people a chose to modify their appearance. Motivation and apathy aren't bound by fashion. Just because someone wears a suit doesn't mean they will work hard, and visa versa.
Tattoos, piercings, and excessive jewelry (especially on males) make an extremely bad first impression
That is completely subjective. For me they are a good first impression, if they look cool (also subjective, see?). Of course we all know not to let those preconceptions effect our final judgement, right?
There's a good reason politicians and businessmen never have tattoos, piercings, and almost always wear a suit. I doubt all of them are equally narrow-minded.
First off this thread is about IT, but that aside... Politicians, ok, but 'businessman' is a very general term. Plenty of people with piercings and tats own their own businesses. This probably comes from a combination of the independent spirit and the barriers set up against them at many places of business.
It's perfectly legal to discriminate on sexual orientation in the US.
Yeah but do you really think they're going to allow discrimination against heterosexuals? ('gays' being allowed to wear earrings, but not straight men)
Judging someone's intelligence by how they look may seem reasonable, but I know a few of very creative, motivated, intelligent people who have multiple facial piercings and tats. I also know a couple of straight-edge people with tats. Judging a person's intelligence requires observing their actions or talking to them, plain and simple.
I'm not really sure what your point is, but this quote is from the linked site:
In exchange for $150 million in Apple Stock, Microsoft and Apple would have a 5-year patent cross-license and, more importantly, a final settlement in the ongoing GUI argument. Microsoft agreed to pay an unreleased sum of additional funds to quiet the allegations that it had stolen Apple's intellectual property in designing its Windows OS. Microsoft also announced that Office '98, its popular office package, would be available for the Mac by years end.
Remember that Apple had billions in the bank at this point. A $150 investment is a drop in the bucket. This was mearly a gesture of good faith in Apple that went along with a few other agreements between the two companies (the linked article goes into these).
Wha-huh? Song swapping around long before Apple? How long do you think they've been around?
I agree that without the iPod Apple wouldn't be as strong as it is today, but there is *no* way that it would be gone. Apple has billions in the bank. This isn't to say they can't die. But with that amount of cash, they can't die as quickly as you imply.
However, I do belive you may have the same problems with MacOS X -- you can't play two sounds at once.
Where in the world did you get that idea? Have you even used a mac since OSX came out? Since OS 8 came out? You do realize the Macs are the darlings of the media production industry, right? I mean honestly....
Not exactly. iTunes was out first, then the iPod, then the iTunes music store (which I assume you're refering to), then iTunes/iTMS for windows. Before iTMS, iPod/iTunes was still a potent combo. Competitors are at a disadvantage here. Apple had time to develop the 3 pieces of the puzzle one at a time. Now that everyone expects this, they won't bite en masse until all the pieces are there in a competitor.
I agree that Simpsons have gone downhill since the glory days. But there have been a few recent episodes that contained some of the "smart political and social satire that the earlier episodes were all about." My favorite example from this season was the episode on the "Left behind" series. I'm not saying that they are as good as they used to be. But they are on an upswing.
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What do you mean by "we"? Remember this is the internet, it's not limited to your customs or culture.
OK, I'll agree that at least 15-20% of people with piercing are stupid, because they didn't do their research. Most of the people I know do extensive research and educate them on the procedure, the piercer, and the appropriate care. Any intelligent person who gets a piercing has already done the googling, knows the risks involved, and takes steps to minimize that risk to a much more acceptable level.
Yes, piercings, tatoos, beachwear as office wear, etc, has become more prevelent. But it's still not mainstream
..then it is...
First it's not mainstream..
And c'mon, "modifications" like piercings and tatoos are prevelent enough that they're no longer individualistic; people are just following the crowd
My company, my rules. You don't want to play along, find somewhere else to work..... I hire leaders, not sheep.
Now that's just ridiculous, you can't have it both ways here.
looking like an idiot
I am of the belief that there is no such thing, only acting like an idiot and speaking like an idiot.
Either you're a modern primative - and proud of it - or you're just a pierced freak who wants to add holes to your head (and elsewhere) because it's the in thing to do.
This dichotomy is all in your head, and is only reflective of your own personal judgment. Have you ever asked anyone why they were pierced? There are many reasons, most of which are very personal (extra sexual stimulation, to name just one). Now, assuming you wear a suit and tie, why do you do this? Is it for comfort, self expression, or is it because it's the ultimate 'in thing to do'? (you dress in a suit, and you're in!)
And accepting that,...
nope.
I'm a field installer and a road warrior so visible tattoos and piercings are definitely a no-no. The same goes for offensive bumper stickers. Besides, a man is ultimately measured by his actions, not his looks.
Um... is it just me, or are you contradicting yourself right there. First you say you judge people on how they look, then you say that you aren't measure by your looks...
You save someone's life and you're a hero. You get pierced from head to toe and you're pincushion.
OK, first of all, "hero"? Aren't we talking about IT? Second, do you think these are mutually exclusive? If so, why?
OK. Explain. In what way is body modification like Windows 3.1? And how does it make you stupid? Please show your work.
If I'm being honest I'd find it hard not to feel suspicous of the judgement of anyone in the field who thought it would a good idea to place bits of metal through their face (other than perhaps for non medial purposes), especially if they are over the age of about 25.
So what, other than being subject to your negative opinions, makes it a bad idea?
They are very potent messages, which don't jive too well with the other messages we're talking about, here.
For example (if we translate all of the messages involved into the spoken word):
You mean if you translate these messages. Since I'm not aware of any 'personal appearance->english' dictionary, your translation is a subjective fabrication of what you think someone else is thinking.
If you have heavy body modification, you're saying to anyone else that you don't care about yourself, and you certainly won't care about your work.
That's not what they are saying, that what you say to yourself. I'm sure you realize that your opinion in this case is totally subjective. I know this to be true because I know a number of creative, hard working people a chose to modify their appearance. Motivation and apathy aren't bound by fashion. Just because someone wears a suit doesn't mean they will work hard, and visa versa.
Tattoos, piercings, and excessive jewelry (especially on males) make an extremely bad first impression
That is completely subjective. For me they are a good first impression, if they look cool (also subjective, see?). Of course we all know not to let those preconceptions effect our final judgement, right?
There's a good reason politicians and businessmen never have tattoos, piercings, and almost always wear a suit. I doubt all of them are equally narrow-minded.
First off this thread is about IT, but that aside... Politicians, ok, but 'businessman' is a very general term. Plenty of people with piercings and tats own their own businesses. This probably comes from a combination of the independent spirit and the barriers set up against them at many places of business.
It's perfectly legal to discriminate on sexual orientation in the US.
Yeah but do you really think they're going to allow discrimination against heterosexuals? ('gays' being allowed to wear earrings, but not straight men)
Judging someone's intelligence by how they look may seem reasonable, but I know a few of very creative, motivated, intelligent people who have multiple facial piercings and tats. I also know a couple of straight-edge people with tats. Judging a person's intelligence requires observing their actions or talking to them, plain and simple.
Guys...unless you are gay, leave the ear rings at home.
Sounds like discrimination to me.
I'm not really sure what your point is, but this quote is from the linked site:
In exchange for $150 million in Apple Stock, Microsoft and Apple would have a 5-year patent cross-license and, more importantly, a final settlement in the ongoing GUI argument. Microsoft agreed to pay an unreleased sum of additional funds to quiet the allegations that it had stolen Apple's intellectual property in designing its Windows OS. Microsoft also announced that Office '98, its popular office package, would be available for the Mac by years end.
That was in no way a 'bailout'.
Remember that Apple had billions in the bank at this point. A $150 investment is a drop in the bucket. This was mearly a gesture of good faith in Apple that went along with a few other agreements between the two companies (the linked article goes into these).
Wha-huh? Song swapping around long before Apple? How long do you think they've been around?
I agree that without the iPod Apple wouldn't be as strong as it is today, but there is *no* way that it would be gone. Apple has billions in the bank. This isn't to say they can't die. But with that amount of cash, they can't die as quickly as you imply.
I don't think you know what you're talking about.
However, I do belive you may have the same problems with MacOS X -- you can't play two sounds at once.
Where in the world did you get that idea? Have you even used a mac since OSX came out? Since OS 8 came out? You do realize the Macs are the darlings of the media production industry, right? I mean honestly....
Honestly...
Use whatever works for you.
Um.. judging by his posts that's exactly what he's doing. In fact it seems to be his central point.
You using a Mac does NOT mean that I'm a bad person for using Linux
Where did anyone say that?
Actually, I think Microsoft is worse. I think it's a myth that drug dealer's give stuff away for free. There's already plenty of demand.
Not exactly. iTunes was out first, then the iPod, then the iTunes music store (which I assume you're refering to), then iTunes/iTMS for windows. Before iTMS, iPod/iTunes was still a potent combo. Competitors are at a disadvantage here. Apple had time to develop the 3 pieces of the puzzle one at a time. Now that everyone expects this, they won't bite en masse until all the pieces are there in a competitor.
I agree that Simpsons have gone downhill since the glory days. But there have been a few recent episodes that contained some of the "smart political and social satire that the earlier episodes were all about." My favorite example from this season was the episode on the "Left behind" series. I'm not saying that they are as good as they used to be. But they are on an upswing.
from Eddie Izzard:
"Two languages in one head? No one can live at that speed!"
"But the Dutch speak three languages and smoke marijuana..."
"Yes, but they're cheating"