from a nation that is about to appoint as its Chief Law Enforcement Officer a racist, anti-Semitic, radical Fundamentalist Xtian fascist who believes Catholics and Jews are 'satanists,' and believes it's a sin to dance; who opposes abortion, but favors the death penalty? But let us not judge him for his personal opininons and deeply held religious beliefs...lets give him a chance...
Not to mention he lost his job to a dead guy.
Get ready for the 4th Reich, led by an idiot for the advantage of the rich and powerful...
1. You must be a Congress-critter of the Republican ilk (or an immagration lawyer) to spread that kind of BS...Senior-level engineers of all kinds are among the most unemployed group currently in the US (DoL and DoVA statistics). Besides 'software engineering' is as much a joke as 'military intelligence.' The fact is that the work we do is more of an art than a science (when we _are_ competent, which we can't be on consistent 90-hour work weeks). Therfore, the correct term should be 'architect,' (or the classic 'developer') not 'engineer.' Keep in mind that a CS major/software engineer is nothing but an EE or Applied Math major who dropped out or failed Calc3/Math Analysis and/or Statistical Methods.
2. Even if you sincerely believe that there _is_ such a thing as a 'software engineer,' Microsoft employs a very few of them as realized by the final product. No self-respecting 'engineer' would tolerate releasing a product with 500K lines of code and and 69K reported bugs (W2K). No, Microsoft is, in the main, market droids and wannabes more worried about their options than the product of their labor.
3. As for the poster's recognition that MS is a political environment and your observation about not making senior people look stupid in meetings: he was making a correct observation about the culture, you missed the point entirely. MS _is_ a political and abusive environment. It's why they _have_ to offer stock options to the idiots who work there. Not to mention that making a 16-year-old (still a _minor_ in every state of the Union, Canada, the Commonwealth and the entirety of the EU) work 90-hour weeks, verbally abusing them because of their immaturity, and not giving them time to visit their family, is not just abuse of an employee, but probably a violation of the Child Labor and Welfare Act, as well as coming close to the UN definition of slavery. However, because the poster was an 'permatemp,' Microsoft was not liable, their sub-contractor whose employee the poster was, was.
4. It is _just_ because of these reasons that the fight goes forward in Redmond and the Valley. This is just the litigation phase. The _real_ fight is to unionize and enter into collective bargaining. The litigants against Microsoft are also the organizers of this effort. They have received death threats, been followed and harassed, and had their offices broken into. That was the litigation phase. Now, the giant is _really_ gonna take the gloves off!
...and ignore the Constitution and the Bill of Rights (1st Amendment guarantees of Speech, Assembly and Free Association, 4th and 5th Amendments). Not to mention murdering innocents (the children in the schoolhouse in the PUSH/MOVE complex, many of whom were hostages of the situation; the 17 journalists and suspects detailed in the coming movie about Philly's 'Assassin Squad,' and its involvement with the FBI's COINTELPRO).
Are you saying that the police should be allowed to use deadly force against everyone who blocks traffic in a constitutionally guaranteed act of protest or an act of civil disobedience, and then call them a martyr (which type of act and criminal liabilities pendant is _supposed_ to be left to a court within the _FULL_ context of due process and not you or even a badged and sworn officer of that court to decide on the spot)?
The police's history in Philadelphia is not something to be proud of. It was one reason Philly was chosen by the Republicans: because the police could be relied on to put down the rebellion outside quickly, with maximum force, hidden from the media; the local media could be counted on to not support the national/international press/media and not fully cover/report the story locally. Big smiles all around, just like inside the hall.
The only difference between Chicago '68, Seattle '99 and Philly '00 was that the major media were in attendance/funding the Republican convention this time and therefor had no interest in televising what was going on outside.
The whole world can only watch if we are given access to the story.
The 'pretty girl' is homicidal maniac, and a psychopathic liar, suffering from delusions and hallucinations...once you sleep with her, you can't ever sleep with anyone else, because she has the super incurable form of a really virulent and nasty STD, and your IQ was just lowered by 30 points...
...and she's laughing at you...
...and she stole your best girl friend...
...and she told all your friends what a lousy lay you were...
...and you had to pay her twice (after she called you 'ugly' and 'stupid')...
The problem is that this is the same FBI that collected files on all US citizens and whose director than directed 'active measures' against those with whom he did not agree (including the Reverend Martin Luther King, Coretta Scott King, the Kennedy family (including the director's boss at the time, Robert F. Kennedy), Students for Democratic Society (at the time a peaceful left-wing student fringe) and various protestors against the war in Vietnam). The same techniques/active measures were used earlier against the Ku Klux Klan, and following their success, were deployed aginst the left and right, depending, from evidence given after the fact before Congress, on the Director's whim/mood.
The Director's name: J. Edgar Hoover. The project: COINTELPRO.
Now, if I were _REALLY_ paranoid, we could discuss Ruby Ridge, the links and efforts to re-incarnate COINTELPRO and the connections between those efforts and Tim McVeigh/Terry Nichols, MLK's assassination and COINTELPRO's efforts to provoke his suicide, etc.,...but neither of us has the time. You might want to peruse:
Re: "...Tell me why a KDE/Qt application is closed..."
Because of the original license under which the Qt libraries were released, essentially giving them a 'taking' (legal term) without recourse for developers as applied to Windows. Also, as the poster implied, closed because it is not portable across platforms (only runs on Linux/KDE). GTK-based solutions (with some diddling) can even be made to run on Windows natively. You were _not_ allowed to port your Qt-based code to Windows because of the license structure of the Qt libraries. Same was true of MySQL.
I believe, however, that the KDE tools can now be used with GTK-based GUIs (GNOME, etc.) without Qt libs and that the licensing issues, in the main have been worked out. (Somebody please correct me if I am wrong on either of these counts.)
Re: "...this nonsense."
It is _not_ 'nonsense.' Issues like this threaten the _entire_ community and the GPL, and therefor Linux and the BSD's.
Re: "...How can they donate a tool that is not done yet?.."
Hmmm, you're right, they can't. I just took the gist of the original story to mean that Borland would release a tool based on proprietary, non-GPL code and libraries.
re: "...Perhaps it's time to wait for the tool to be released and then see whether it is fit for GPL, LGPL, QPL, or whatever-else-OSS licence development?.."
_Not_ if the tool will be widely used to contribute to the source trees of the kernel or the _essential_ tools.
Re: "...I have very good reason to be convinced that Borland fully understand the concerns of the Open Source community...." and "...I have very good reason to speculate that the Open Source community will be happy with what Borland delivers - *once the tool is ready for release*..."
Please share your reasons. I base my points on Borland/Inprise's past history and violation of the Java Community License and their present price points (and the inclusions in) for JBuilder.
Installshield is only available for Windows and Java (at the present time).
Re: "...I will never understand the need some people have to find one little grain of sand on the ocean shore that they just can't live with..."
I am not 'picking out grains of sand,' I am objecting to a _very_serious_ danger to the community.
Recently, I had a chance to hear Linus and Maddog speak at a developers' conference here in Chicago. Linus was asked by a -somewhat- savvy newsman (she used 'fork' in context) whether the chances of a fork in the source tree represented a serious danger to the OSS community and to the concept of 'the Cathedral and the Bazaar.' Linus' response was to the effect of 'I and the FSF control the code. Anytime I want, I can prune the code tree and eliminate forks.' This was fine when we had the public compiler, gcc. But with Kylix, due to the popularity of Delphi/Pascal and the proprietary libraries, (and in accord with my understanding of the GPL), this is the road down which Microsoft (the 'embrace and extend' guys, remember?) wants us to go down (see the 'Halloween Document' for details). It is the road the commercial *nixes went down, to their doom. Should this tool be commonly used by the community, we run the risk of fragmentation, just like the commercial *nixes, because of the structure of the GPL.
Re: "...When you try to say that one whatever is better than all others of it's type you are, in essence, espousing the same position that Billy-Boy used to make the latest Great Monoply. If you have to have a winner you are missing the whole point of life.."
I _don't_ have to have a winner. I never said which distro or tools I support. I was simply pointing out, in my first post, what RPMs were originally for (initial installs of OS and necessary tools, as well as an easy way to update them, until something better comes along) and then making a point about the _true_ power and responsibilities inherent in our community.
Personally, I use an FTP install of Mandrake and strip out as much of the non-GPL-licensed stuff as I can. I will continue to do so until the GNU/FSF gives me an alternative.
Since you said that you intend to buy Kylix, please, if you would speak as a programmer, let us know the weaknesses in gcc and the tools available under the GPL. Thank you, and BTW, nice quote from 'Rush.'
No, RedHat (the 'R' in RPM) 'invented' RPMs to close the gap until InstallShield Corporation or someone else came up with a solution that worked in the *nix kernels of various flavors. It was created to distribute distros and make _initial_ installs (of the OS and ancillary packages -the 'P' in RPM) easier and more friendly. Thereafter, it was assumed the user would use 'gzip,' 'bz2,' or 'tar.(gz),' to uncompress the package/product and 'make' to install it.
RPMs have become 'the prototype that wouldn't die' since they -seriously- mess up the target OS (unless it is _precisely_ the OS the RPM binary was compiled on) and strew ungodly amounts of crap throughout the file system.
"End-user don't need to build software, developer do..."
The _best_ thing about the Open Source movement is the ability for _everyone_ to become a developer, responsible for their environment, and with the tools to exercise that responsibility. Now there is a non-free (beer and speech) compiler/tool/libs that threatens to take that essential paradigm away. The poster of the original article did not say what the retail price-point of the Enterprise version of Kylix will be, but judging from JBuilder (a _great_ product, by the way) you can expect to pay about USD$2500.00/seat (more overseas - for less!) or more for the Enterprise version of Kylix Studio.
I agree with the first poster in this thread. This is _very_ dangerous and has the potential of forking the tree in a way not envisioned in the GPL or by Linus. I wonder how this is going over in Redmond? Has Borland/Inprise bought into 'embrace and extend?'
All the above said, the practical use of Kylix could be limited to in-house projects in shops that need the cross-platform compatibility or the utility of Borland's otherwise excellent optimizing compilers and customer service/community. Otherwise, there are plenty of tools/libs for Pascal (Delphi) and C++ in the Open Source tree. These tools and libraries should be used, (rather than the proprietary tools mentioned in the article) for distros and products that _truly_ support the community. At the very least, sysadmins, techs, and managers of Linux and *BSD shops should _carefully_ examine the products they install for GPL-flavored libraries and modules, and watch out for the inclusion of proprietary code such as what Borland will offer, lest they get too far down a one-way highway.
I really wish Borland/Inpise had donated a tool the whole community could use. There is no real difference between 'Kylix Studio' and 'Visual Studio' in this context. It makes me sad that yet another company does not yet 'get it.' I only hope that this prompts the various open IDE projects (KDevelop, the GNU efforts, etc.) to move _much_faster!_
On Tuesday, July 11, paulywog asked: "Anyone know of a good website that explains how DSL works on the telco side."
Try http://www.2wire.com (industry site, mainly an equipment vendor, rather than a circuit providers, but informative nonetheless.)
or
http://www.boardwatch.com
Check with tech support at both sites (might require an email or two).
Surprising that the ILEC (Incumbent Local Exchange Carrier, the holders of the wireline monopoly after the AT&T divestiture) in your area took so long. You also might want to contact the Consumers Public Utilities Commission in Missouri (NOTE: _NOT_ the Public Utilities Commission, they have been co-opted and, in most states, serve as rubber stamps for the local utilities.)
Nope, don't really want my website torn down, my home raided by the Secret Service, the Marshall's Service and the FBI and be faced with criminal (violation of the UCITA, and the DMCA) and civil suit (violations of the EULA I agreed to _before_I_bought_the_software_ (UCITA again!)and my existing NDA's (in accord with my attorneys' advice)). It's why I post a personal, rather than corprate webpage in my (open!) user profile, and why I post as myself rather than an AC (apt name!). It wouldn't matter, by the way, whether I was in the US or in a foreign country (except maybe the 'Bad Seven'), I would still be subject to prosecution/persecution.
You, however, as I stated above, can find the.dll's and unmunge them, using Microsoft's or GNU tools (Cygnus). Some of the names of the.dll's (in \Windows and \Windows\System 32) even hint at the facts, depending on the product(s) you have installed. You may also gather facts by perusing freshmeat or appwatch for translation utilities and looking at the source. Finally, go do some corporate research on EDGAR. That's where I first saw the 'public' trail begin to manifest.
...and then you will get an e-mail (followed by a registered letter) from Microsoft's lawyers, telling you to take the site down, in accordance with the EULA...
If you do not comply within 48 hours (may be 24 now) your home and place of business will be raided by armed Federal Marshalls, Secret Service and FBI, accompanied by local law enforcement, warrants in hand. These teams will be backstopped by similar ones hitting all of your ISPs and their mirrors and proxies, demanding the site be wiped and that the team be given all back-up tapes and copies thereof of the site, as stated in their accompanying warrants.
Live in a foreign country? Only difference will be that your teams will include members of your foreign ministry, your commerce ministry, and probably your 'internal security' forces, and the warrants will be in the national language of your resident country. You will be arrested for contempt of (an American) court, violation of the UCITA (via the WTO) and various intellectual property and copyright/patent laws.
Wanna do it to Oracle, instead of Microsoft? Won't matter.
Go ahead...make their day...post the results of your benchmark in violation of criminal law.
...or forget about it and use an open-source OS and software that is GPL'd (and therefore you already own and are free to do with as you will).
More importantly, we _cannot_ do a 'benchmark' or performance test of any kind, because of the EULA, the UCITA, and the DMCA.
We must live with the results of tests like this, because the companies involved will not _allow_ us our freedom of speech. We gave that away when we loaded their software, whether we read the EULA or not!
You simply _can't_ do it, because Microsoft will not allow you to and publish the results. Read your software license agreement or EULA for _any_ Microsoft OS or product. Oracle and many others use the same language.
Bottom line, we have to live with skewed, FUD-soaked 'benchmarks' that the vendors then use to backstop their lies, because the EULA, the DMCA, and UCITA won't _allow_ the playing field to be level, and won't _allow_ us to be "free to innovate." The very things that they have lobbied for to protect _their_ "freedom to innovate" stifles ours!
Ironically, it is prompting _true_ engineers and scientists to come up with alternatives (and making them rich as Croesus in the process) that will mark the death of these companies. They are beginning not to matter. Would _you_ go to work for Microsoft or Oracle as a programmer, at their present market valuations for 1/3 the going market rate and the promise of stock options in 12 - 18 months?
When the benchmark is closed-source (ie. binary, precompiled, no source provided) against a closed-source OS (ie. binary, precompiled, no _true_and_complete_ source provided) vs. an open-source (ie., souce provided, including an analysis of _what_ the benchmarks are testing for and _how_ they are attempting to do this) benchmark against an open-source (ie., complete source provided) OS (could be Linux, or any of the *BSD's, or any other _fully_ open-source OS's), the activity is _truly_ FUD on the part of the closed-source players.
Benchmarking, done accurately and fairly, is an exacting discipline of software engineering. When it is done only for marketing pablum purposes, however, it _is_ FUD. Face it, dude (since your user profile is closed, unlike mine, I have no choice but to use the generic label), you and I cannot 'benchmark' any of Microsoft's OS's or other products (including all of Back Office) because of the restrictive software license(s). More accurately, we cannot run any kind of tests (industry-standard, such as TPC, or otherwise) and then report the findings and results publicly. We cannot test these OS's or other products (Microsoft, Oracle, et.al., all closed-source), and then present the results _even_at_a_scientific_or_professional_conference_ (such as the ACM SIG meetings).
Ironically, the above _facts_ support the open-source model, (since there are no restrictions on the software science and engineering communities) and lead to the proliferation of open-source solutions to software engineering problems. It is this process that will eventually _kill_ the closed-source business model. When academic and professional software developers, purchasers, scientists, engineers, and users begin to realize that the closed-source models of development and certification turn them into nothing but "a bunch of... (technical people) that are tired of being used to sell product and certifications like Amway salespeople / customers," (from http://www.osopinion.com/Opinions/DougChick/DougCh ick6.html), the closed-source models of development and business will be exposed for the lies and trash they are, and we all will be better served and "free to innovate."
people up there?...and how about this guy (http://www.jsc.nasa.gov/Bios/htmlbios/shepherd.ht ml)...an astronaut/MS from NASA who is a Mission Commander for an international mission launched from Russia (okay, Kazakhstan)...AND the guy is a SEAL...I can't wait to see the posts from the Black Helicaopter and Militia geeks!!!
The packets ARE different, as it's rather trivial to 'sniff' for them...UNISPHERE and other WAN management programs will even differentiate the brand (i.e., PeopleSoft, SAP, GEAC) out of the box. I forget how they are diff'd, tho...The point is, that just because you use the Internet for transport, doesn't mean the traffic is 'Internet' (i.e., FTP, HTTP, IRC, NNTP, etc.)
On a side note, I believe the REAL issue in the traffic sense is that all of these enterprise-level suites of apps are still client-server or batch processes (that is, most of the processing is highly automated and centered on the on the server/mainframe)and require a VERY stateful/transaction-based model of traffic rather than the Internet model of distributed/thin client computing (most of the processing happens off- or different- line and then completes/rejoins the ongoing process) resulting in a stateless and connectionless requirement. Maybe the 'gunking' or slowing of the Internet/Web is as a result of the previous gentleman's comment, as these apps are very bandwidth intensive.
Port done by Alan and the kernel team, with input from IBM...support exists in every kernel after 2.2.13 (princeton u.) and is stock in every source image since 2.2.14. Keep in mind that without Linus' say-so, it ain't in the kernel and it ain't Linux!
Marist College and Princeton University did it first. I don't know where Dr. Vepstas (the guy who did it in a lunch hour) teaches, but I don't think he's an IBM fellow.
IBM arrived to this, like Apache, late. However, they saw the value in how this was done, saw it worked and decided (rightly) not to screw with it.
IRON PENGUIN FOREVER!!!! http://linux.s390.org/ http://linas.org
As noted elsewhere in this article/thread: The new (June 2000) issue of Linux Journal (http://www.linuxjournal.com) has an excellent article that serves to answer many of the why's and wherefore's of this issue. Unfortunately, the article, by Adam J. Thornton, and titled, "_The Penguin and the Dinosaur_," unlike Linux is not yet 'open,' so we'll have to wait a month to see it in all its glory (and glorious it is! Includes much of the functionality/info of the 'Unix vs. NT' site!)
Mr Thornton addresses the compatibility issue by pointing out emulation engines (Hercules at http://www.snipx.freeserve.co.uk/hercules.htm) and saying that "Linux on the S/390 is just as much Linux as Linux/PPC, Linux m68k or Linux/Alpha...its the stock kernel, rather than a subset or extension...if it comes with source, (chances are) your can build and run it with minimal effort." Then he talks about "Think Blue Linux and the "Iron Penguin" and the fact that they have 420 RPMs running for binary installers.
Now think a Beowulf cluster of 50,000 machines, installed in an hour, with each machine having available a minimum of 550Mbps PPP comm channel between the machines. Shared memory is no problem (think/usr,/bin, and/lib shared across the cluster at bus speed). More shared/pooled memory for PVM/MPICH/DCE or CORBA (pick 'em). 50K Apache/JSERVE/mod_PHP/mod_PERL/mod_so/mod_REBOL machines with virtually infinite (as compared to PC's) memory/resources that never need to be backed up (done by the VM) and never (NEVER!) hard fail. There are 420 RPMs (and growing) available for this platform and the resources who can understand and continue this development exist in almost every company of any size in the world. YUM YUM YUM!!!! WORLD DOMINATION!!!!
What was your question?????
Re:In case you missed it, sun ALREADY won!
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CA court and Fed appeals court told MS to honor their licensing terms with Sun. MS is (has) selling VJ++ and will not renew the Java licenses.
No big deal tho, as MOST of the Java programming is in the embedded O/S and Server Spaces. If you need Java in the browser, there's the Java Plug-in.
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from a nation that is about to appoint as its Chief Law Enforcement Officer a racist, anti-Semitic, radical Fundamentalist Xtian fascist who believes Catholics and Jews are 'satanists,' and believes it's a sin to dance; who opposes abortion, but favors the death penalty? But let us not judge him for his personal opininons and deeply held religious beliefs...lets give him a chance...
Not to mention he lost his job to a dead guy.
Get ready for the 4th Reich, led by an idiot for the advantage of the rich and powerful...
1. You must be a Congress-critter of the Republican ilk (or an immagration lawyer) to spread that kind of BS...Senior-level engineers of all kinds are among the most unemployed group currently in the US (DoL and DoVA statistics). Besides 'software engineering' is as much a joke as 'military intelligence.' The fact is that the work we do is more of an art than a science (when we _are_ competent, which we can't be on consistent 90-hour work weeks). Therfore, the correct term should be 'architect,' (or the classic 'developer') not 'engineer.' Keep in mind that a CS major/software engineer is nothing but an EE or Applied Math major who dropped out or failed Calc3/Math Analysis and/or Statistical Methods.
2. Even if you sincerely believe that there _is_ such a thing as a 'software engineer,' Microsoft employs a very few of them as realized by the final product. No self-respecting 'engineer' would tolerate releasing a product with 500K lines of code and and 69K reported bugs (W2K). No, Microsoft is, in the main, market droids and wannabes more worried about their options than the product of their labor.
3. As for the poster's recognition that MS is a political environment and your observation about not making senior people look stupid in meetings: he was making a correct observation about the culture, you missed the point entirely. MS _is_ a political and abusive environment. It's why they _have_ to offer stock options to the idiots who work there. Not to mention that making a 16-year-old (still a _minor_ in every state of the Union, Canada, the Commonwealth and the entirety of the EU) work 90-hour weeks, verbally abusing them because of their immaturity, and not giving them time to visit their family, is not just abuse of an employee, but probably a violation of the Child Labor and Welfare Act, as well as coming close to the UN definition of slavery. However, because the poster was an 'permatemp,' Microsoft was not liable, their sub-contractor whose employee the poster was, was.
4. It is _just_ because of these reasons that the fight goes forward in Redmond and the Valley. This is just the litigation phase. The _real_ fight is to unionize and enter into collective bargaining. The litigants against Microsoft are also the organizers of this effort. They have received death threats, been followed and harassed, and had their offices broken into. That was the litigation phase. Now, the giant is _really_ gonna take the gloves off!
...and ignore the Constitution and the Bill of Rights (1st Amendment guarantees of Speech, Assembly and Free Association, 4th and 5th Amendments). Not to mention murdering innocents (the children in the schoolhouse in the PUSH/MOVE complex, many of whom were hostages of the situation; the 17 journalists and suspects detailed in the coming movie about Philly's 'Assassin Squad,' and its involvement with the FBI's COINTELPRO).
Are you saying that the police should be allowed to use deadly force against everyone who blocks traffic in a constitutionally guaranteed act of protest or an act of civil disobedience, and then call them a martyr (which type of act and criminal liabilities pendant is _supposed_ to be left to a court within the _FULL_ context of due process and not you or even a badged and sworn officer of that court to decide on the spot)?
The police's history in Philadelphia is not something to be proud of. It was one reason Philly was chosen by the Republicans: because the police could be relied on to put down the rebellion outside quickly, with maximum force, hidden from the media; the local media could be counted on to not support the national/international press/media and not fully cover/report the story locally. Big smiles all around, just like inside the hall.
The only difference between Chicago '68, Seattle '99 and Philly '00 was that the major media were in attendance/funding the Republican convention this time and therefor had no interest in televising what was going on outside.
The whole world can only watch if we are given access to the story.
You should not be proud...you should be ashamed.
The 'pretty girl' is homicidal maniac, and a psychopathic liar, suffering from delusions and hallucinations...once you sleep with her, you can't ever sleep with anyone else, because she has the super incurable form of a really virulent and nasty STD, and your IQ was just lowered by 30 points...
...and she's laughing at you...
...and she stole your best girl friend...
...and she told all your friends what a lousy lay you were...
...and you had to pay her twice (after she called you 'ugly' and 'stupid')...
The problem is that this is the same FBI that collected files on all US citizens and whose director than directed 'active measures' against those with whom he did not agree (including the Reverend Martin Luther King, Coretta Scott King, the Kennedy family (including the director's boss at the time, Robert F. Kennedy), Students for Democratic Society (at the time a peaceful left-wing student fringe) and various protestors against the war in Vietnam). The same techniques/active measures were used earlier against the Ku Klux Klan, and following their success, were deployed aginst the left and right, depending, from evidence given after the fact before Congress, on the Director's whim/mood.
E LPRO/cointelpro-methods.html
The Director's name: J. Edgar Hoover. The project: COINTELPRO.
Now, if I were _REALLY_ paranoid, we could discuss Ruby Ridge, the links and efforts to re-incarnate COINTELPRO and the connections between those efforts and Tim McVeigh/Terry Nichols, MLK's assassination and COINTELPRO's efforts to provoke his suicide, etc.,...but neither of us has the time. You might want to peruse:
http://www.accessone.com/~rivero/POLITICS/COINT
or search for 'COINTELPRO' in GOOGLE.
Beware of ECHELON, tho.
Re: "...Tell me why a KDE/Qt application is closed..."
Because of the original license under which the Qt libraries were released, essentially giving them a 'taking' (legal term) without recourse for developers as applied to Windows. Also, as the poster implied, closed because it is not portable across platforms (only runs on Linux/KDE). GTK-based solutions (with some diddling) can even be made to run on Windows natively. You were _not_ allowed to port your Qt-based code to Windows because of the license structure of the Qt libraries. Same was true of MySQL.
I believe, however, that the KDE tools can now be used with GTK-based GUIs (GNOME, etc.) without Qt libs and that the licensing issues, in the main have been worked out. (Somebody please correct me if I am wrong on either of these counts.)
Re: "...this nonsense."
It is _not_ 'nonsense.' Issues like this threaten the _entire_ community and the GPL, and therefor Linux and the BSD's.
Re: "...How can they donate a tool that is not done yet?.."
Hmmm, you're right, they can't. I just took the gist of the original story to mean that Borland would release a tool based on proprietary, non-GPL code and libraries.
re: "...Perhaps it's time to wait for the tool to be released and then see whether it is fit for GPL, LGPL, QPL, or whatever-else-OSS licence development?.."
_Not_ if the tool will be widely used to contribute to the source trees of the kernel or the _essential_ tools.
Re: "...I have very good reason to be convinced that Borland fully understand the concerns of the Open Source community...." and "...I have very good reason to speculate that the Open Source community will be happy with what Borland delivers - *once the tool is ready for release*..."
Please share your reasons. I base my points on Borland/Inprise's past history and violation of the Java Community License and their present price points (and the inclusions in) for JBuilder.
Re: "...And InstallShield doesn't? ..."
Installshield is only available for Windows and Java (at the present time).
Re: "...I will never understand the need some people have to find one little grain of sand on the ocean shore that they just can't live with..."
I am not 'picking out grains of sand,' I am objecting to a _very_serious_ danger to the community.
Recently, I had a chance to hear Linus and Maddog speak at a developers' conference here in Chicago. Linus was asked by a -somewhat- savvy newsman (she used 'fork' in context) whether the chances of a fork in the source tree represented a serious danger to the OSS community and to the concept of 'the Cathedral and the Bazaar.' Linus' response was to the effect of 'I and the FSF control the code. Anytime I want, I can prune the code tree and eliminate forks.' This was fine when we had the public compiler, gcc. But with Kylix, due to the popularity of Delphi/Pascal and the proprietary libraries, (and in accord with my understanding of the GPL), this is the road down which Microsoft (the 'embrace and extend' guys, remember?) wants us to go down (see the 'Halloween Document' for details). It is the road the commercial *nixes went down, to their doom. Should this tool be commonly used by the community, we run the risk of fragmentation, just like the commercial *nixes, because of the structure of the GPL.
Re: "...When you try to say that one whatever is better than all others of it's type you are, in essence, espousing the same position that Billy-Boy used to make the latest Great Monoply. If you have to have a winner you are missing the whole point of life.."
I _don't_ have to have a winner. I never said which distro or tools I support. I was simply pointing out, in my first post, what RPMs were originally for (initial installs of OS and necessary tools, as well as an easy way to update them, until something better comes along) and then making a point about the _true_ power and responsibilities inherent in our community.
Personally, I use an FTP install of Mandrake and strip out as much of the non-GPL-licensed stuff as I can. I will continue to do so until the GNU/FSF gives me an alternative.
Since you said that you intend to buy Kylix, please, if you would speak as a programmer, let us know the weaknesses in gcc and the tools available under the GPL. Thank you, and BTW, nice quote from 'Rush.'
...and Free.net.org, fling..org, and guerrilla.net to provide the cover from Congress and Omnivore/FBI and ECHELON/NSA...
"That's why they invented RPMs...."
No, RedHat (the 'R' in RPM) 'invented' RPMs to close the gap until InstallShield Corporation or someone else came up with a solution that worked in the *nix kernels of various flavors. It was created to distribute distros and make _initial_ installs (of the OS and ancillary packages -the 'P' in RPM) easier and more friendly. Thereafter, it was assumed the user would use 'gzip,' 'bz2,' or 'tar.(gz),' to uncompress the package/product and 'make' to install it.
RPMs have become 'the prototype that wouldn't die' since they -seriously- mess up the target OS (unless it is _precisely_ the OS the RPM binary was compiled on) and strew ungodly amounts of crap throughout the file system.
"End-user don't need to build software, developer do..."
The _best_ thing about the Open Source movement is the ability for _everyone_ to become a developer, responsible for their environment, and with the tools to exercise that responsibility. Now there is a non-free (beer and speech) compiler/tool/libs that threatens to take that essential paradigm away. The poster of the original article did not say what the retail price-point of the Enterprise version of Kylix will be, but judging from JBuilder (a _great_ product, by the way) you can expect to pay about USD$2500.00/seat (more overseas - for less!) or more for the Enterprise version of Kylix Studio.
I agree with the first poster in this thread. This is _very_ dangerous and has the potential of forking the tree in a way not envisioned in the GPL or by Linus. I wonder how this is going over in Redmond? Has Borland/Inprise bought into 'embrace and extend?'
All the above said, the practical use of Kylix could be limited to in-house projects in shops that need the cross-platform compatibility or the utility of Borland's otherwise excellent optimizing compilers and customer service/community. Otherwise, there are plenty of tools/libs for Pascal (Delphi) and C++ in the Open Source tree. These tools and libraries should be used, (rather than the proprietary tools mentioned in the article) for distros and products that _truly_ support the community. At the very least, sysadmins, techs, and managers of Linux and *BSD shops should _carefully_ examine the products they install for GPL-flavored libraries and modules, and watch out for the inclusion of proprietary code such as what Borland will offer, lest they get too far down a one-way highway.
I really wish Borland/Inpise had donated a tool the whole community could use. There is no real difference between 'Kylix Studio' and 'Visual Studio' in this context. It makes me sad that yet another company does not yet 'get it.' I only hope that this prompts the various open IDE projects (KDevelop, the GNU efforts, etc.) to move _much_faster!_
On Tuesday, July 11, paulywog asked:
"Anyone know of a good website that explains how DSL works on the telco side."
Try http://www.2wire.com (industry site, mainly an equipment vendor, rather than a circuit providers, but informative nonetheless.)
or
http://www.boardwatch.com
Check with tech support at both sites (might require an email or two).
Surprising that the ILEC (Incumbent Local Exchange Carrier, the holders of the wireline monopoly after the AT&T divestiture) in your area took so long. You also might want to contact the Consumers Public Utilities Commission in Missouri (NOTE: _NOT_ the Public Utilities Commission, they have been co-opted and, in most states, serve as rubber stamps for the local utilities.)
...and did you see the cost/tpm-c (not to mention the fact that no Linux or *BSD h'ware/s'ware or systems is represented).
Nope, don't really want my website torn down, my home raided by the Secret Service, the Marshall's Service and the FBI and be faced with criminal (violation of the UCITA, and the DMCA) and civil suit (violations of the EULA I agreed to _before_I_bought_the_software_ (UCITA again!)and my existing NDA's (in accord with my attorneys' advice)). It's why I post a personal, rather than corprate webpage in my (open!) user profile, and why I post as myself rather than an AC (apt name!). It wouldn't matter, by the way, whether I was in the US or in a foreign country (except maybe the 'Bad Seven'), I would still be subject to prosecution/persecution.
.dll's and unmunge them, using Microsoft's or GNU tools (Cygnus). Some of the names of the .dll's (in \Windows and \Windows\System 32) even hint at the facts, depending on the product(s) you have installed. You may also gather facts by perusing freshmeat or appwatch for translation utilities and looking at the source. Finally, go do some corporate research on EDGAR. That's where I first saw the 'public' trail begin to manifest.
You, however, as I stated above, can find the
Also, even if I did post, would you believe?
BTW, is it raining there in Redmond?
...and then you will get an e-mail (followed by a registered letter) from Microsoft's lawyers, telling you to take the site down, in accordance with the EULA...
If you do not comply within 48 hours (may be 24 now) your home and place of business will be raided by armed Federal Marshalls, Secret Service and FBI, accompanied by local law enforcement, warrants in hand. These teams will be backstopped by similar ones hitting all of your ISPs and their mirrors and proxies, demanding the site be wiped and that the team be given all back-up tapes and copies thereof of the site, as stated in their accompanying warrants.
Live in a foreign country? Only difference will be that your teams will include members of your foreign ministry, your commerce ministry, and probably your 'internal security' forces, and the warrants will be in the national language of your resident country. You will be arrested for contempt of (an American) court, violation of the UCITA (via the WTO) and various intellectual property and copyright/patent laws.
Wanna do it to Oracle, instead of Microsoft? Won't matter.
Go ahead...make their day...post the results of your benchmark in violation of criminal law.
...or forget about it and use an open-source OS and software that is GPL'd (and therefore you already own and are free to do with as you will).
More importantly, we _cannot_ do a 'benchmark' or performance test of any kind, because of the EULA, the UCITA, and the DMCA.
We must live with the results of tests like this, because the companies involved will not _allow_ us our freedom of speech. We gave that away when we loaded their software, whether we read the EULA or not!
Has nothing to do with expense...
You simply _can't_ do it, because Microsoft will not allow you to and publish the results. Read your software license agreement or EULA for _any_ Microsoft OS or product. Oracle and many others use the same language.
Bottom line, we have to live with skewed, FUD-soaked 'benchmarks' that the vendors then use to backstop their lies, because the EULA, the DMCA, and UCITA won't _allow_ the playing field to be level, and won't _allow_ us to be "free to innovate." The very things that they have lobbied for to protect _their_ "freedom to innovate" stifles ours!
Ironically, it is prompting _true_ engineers and scientists to come up with alternatives (and making them rich as Croesus in the process) that will mark the death of these companies. They are beginning not to matter. Would _you_ go to work for Microsoft or Oracle as a programmer, at their present market valuations for 1/3 the going market rate and the promise of stock options in 12 - 18 months?
Nope...
... (technical people) that are tired of being used to sell product and certifications like Amway salespeople / customers," (from http://www.osopinion.com/Opinions/DougChick/DougCh ick6.html), the closed-source models of development and business will be exposed for the lies and trash they are, and we all will be better served and "free to innovate."
When the benchmark is closed-source (ie. binary, precompiled, no source provided) against a closed-source OS (ie. binary, precompiled, no _true_and_complete_ source provided) vs. an open-source (ie., souce provided, including an analysis of _what_ the benchmarks are testing for and _how_ they are attempting to do this) benchmark against an open-source (ie., complete source provided) OS (could be Linux, or any of the *BSD's, or any other _fully_ open-source OS's), the activity is _truly_ FUD on the part of the closed-source players.
Benchmarking, done accurately and fairly, is an exacting discipline of software engineering. When it is done only for marketing pablum purposes, however, it _is_ FUD. Face it, dude (since your user profile is closed, unlike mine, I have no choice but to use the generic label), you and I cannot 'benchmark' any of Microsoft's OS's or other products (including all of Back Office) because of the restrictive software license(s). More accurately, we cannot run any kind of tests (industry-standard, such as TPC, or otherwise) and then report the findings and results publicly. We cannot test these OS's or other products (Microsoft, Oracle, et.al., all closed-source), and then present the results _even_at_a_scientific_or_professional_conference_ (such as the ACM SIG meetings).
Ironically, the above _facts_ support the open-source model, (since there are no restrictions on the software science and engineering communities) and lead to the proliferation of open-source solutions to software engineering problems. It is this process that will eventually _kill_ the closed-source business model. When academic and professional software developers, purchasers, scientists, engineers, and users begin to realize that the closed-source models of development and certification turn them into nothing but "a bunch of
people up there? ...and how about this guy (http://www.jsc.nasa.gov/Bios/htmlbios/shepherd.ht ml)...an astronaut/MS from NASA who is a Mission Commander for an international mission launched from Russia (okay, Kazakhstan)...AND the guy is a SEAL...I can't wait to see the posts from the Black Helicaopter and Militia geeks!!!
...at https://sourceforge.net/projects/reliable/
The packets ARE different, as it's rather trivial to 'sniff' for them...UNISPHERE and other WAN management programs will even differentiate the brand (i.e., PeopleSoft, SAP, GEAC) out of the box. I forget how they are diff'd, tho...The point is, that just because you use the Internet for transport, doesn't mean the traffic is 'Internet' (i.e., FTP, HTTP, IRC, NNTP, etc.)
On a side note, I believe the REAL issue in the traffic sense is that all of these enterprise-level suites of apps are still client-server or batch processes (that is, most of the processing is highly automated and centered on the on the server/mainframe)and require a VERY stateful/transaction-based model of traffic rather than the Internet model of distributed/thin client computing (most of the processing happens off- or different- line and then completes/rejoins the ongoing process) resulting in a stateless and connectionless requirement. Maybe the 'gunking' or slowing of the Internet/Web is as a result of the previous gentleman's comment, as these apps are very bandwidth intensive.
Sorry, I stand corrected. No excuses
It's called ThinkBlue Linux, or Iron Penguin. http://linux.s390.org
Port done by Alan and the kernel team, with input from IBM...support exists in every kernel after 2.2.13 (princeton u.) and is stock in every source image since 2.2.14. Keep in mind that without Linus' say-so, it ain't in the kernel and it ain't Linux!
Marist College and Princeton University did it first. I don't know where Dr. Vepstas (the guy who did it in a lunch hour) teaches, but I don't think he's an IBM fellow.
IBM arrived to this, like Apache, late. However, they saw the value in how this was done, saw it worked and decided (rightly) not to screw with it.
IRON PENGUIN FOREVER!!!!
http://linux.s390.org/
http://linas.org
As noted elsewhere in this article/thread: The new (June 2000) issue of Linux Journal (http://www.linuxjournal.com) has an excellent article that serves to answer many of the why's and wherefore's of this issue. Unfortunately, the article, by Adam J. Thornton, and titled, "_The Penguin and the Dinosaur_," unlike Linux is not yet 'open,' so we'll have to wait a month to see it in all its glory (and glorious it is! Includes much of the functionality/info of the 'Unix vs. NT' site!)
/usr, /bin, and /lib shared across the cluster at bus speed). More shared/pooled memory for PVM/MPICH/DCE or CORBA (pick 'em). 50K Apache/JSERVE/mod_PHP/mod_PERL/mod_so/mod_REBOL machines with virtually infinite (as compared to PC's) memory/resources that never need to be backed up (done by the VM) and never (NEVER!) hard fail. There are 420 RPMs (and growing) available for this platform and the resources who can understand and continue this development exist in almost every company of any size in the world. YUM YUM YUM!!!! WORLD DOMINATION!!!!
Mr Thornton addresses the compatibility issue by pointing out emulation engines (Hercules at http://www.snipx.freeserve.co.uk/hercules.htm) and saying that "Linux on the S/390 is just as much Linux as Linux/PPC, Linux m68k or Linux/Alpha...its the stock kernel, rather than a subset or extension...if it comes with source, (chances are) your can build and run it with minimal effort." Then he talks about "Think Blue Linux and the "Iron Penguin" and the fact that they have 420 RPMs running for binary installers.
Now think a Beowulf cluster of 50,000 machines, installed in an hour, with each machine having available a minimum of 550Mbps PPP comm channel between the machines. Shared memory is no problem (think
What was your question?????
CA court and Fed appeals court told MS to honor their licensing terms with Sun. MS is (has) selling VJ++ and will not renew the Java licenses.
No big deal tho, as MOST of the Java programming is in the embedded O/S and Server Spaces. If you need Java in the browser, there's the Java Plug-in.