Yeah because they haven't released a distro upgrade yet. Just a few days ago they announced that they would switch to Gnome 3 & gnome-shell.
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Or fucking fork GNOME2 and go from there. But they didn't.
True, but it would have been a massive undertaking that I don't think Canonical could have shouldered. Also, whatever you think about Unity, Gnome 2 wasn't perfect either.
For launcher icons, simply install Alacarte, the gnome menu editor. I think you need to install it first. Entries you create there will be available in Unity's Dash just like any other. Yes, that should have been integrated better,
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They felt the need because init.d is slow to boot (inherently, because it starts things always sequentially). You may have seen this is as a problem or not, but stating that there was no reason is misleading. And you can still configure things in xorg.conf if you want to. I haven't used Debian in a while, but the ability to run with a minimal xorg.conf was implemented in the X.org project, so I'd figure Debian is not much different.
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I've used October Gnome (!), KDE 1.0 before that, and fvwm2 even before that. And I, too, like Unity.
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You can't multitask? You can't move icons? Not true at all.
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And Xubuntu as well.
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You do know that it's the Gnome project who discontinued Gnome 2, right? So for Ubuntu the option was to go with Gnome 3 (which has "icons down the side" as well) or do their own desktop shell (which they did with Unity). Kubuntu and Lubuntu exist for those who don't want Gnome, anyway. So, I think that your rant was misdirected.
So? You are free to pursue the short-term advantages. This does not mean other people with different goals in mind are out of touch with reality. They just have different priorities (when FSF, Linux, and RH were young, they could not make a living out out it).
Some people try the impossible and stupid, and ultimately it's for later generations to judge their success. When Stallman started FSF, today's state of free software appeared out of touch with reality
1, expecting all software to be free is being out of touch with reality in my book
The same thing certainly was said in 1750 about all people being considered equal before the law.
Re:I don't understand... more configurable setting
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Nice piece of work in the quoting there:
Note particularly the following:
"And I think there is a lot of value to have that experience you show the world to be consistent. In GNOME2 we didn't do that particularly well because everyone's desktop was different."
Actual context:
We are also not only users of free desktops, but we are also its advocates, we are in the marketing team. Everywhere we go people look over our shoulders and say "Hey that's cool, what's that?" and then we get a chance to talk about GNOME, a chance to talk about free software. And I think there is a lot of value to have that experience you show the world to be consistent. In GNOME2 we didn't do that particularly well because everyone's desktop was different. So when people are looking at it, they don't see something that is idiosyncratic, they see you as part of a larger movement. And I think that's worth considering when customize your desktops. But that's not something we will ever prevent.
I thought it mattered because in my experience most people my age (42) have made more diverse things happen in life. Maybe you were lucky or just good at it. I myself have certainly had situations come up after which I thought, "well, I don't want to talk to this person anymore" and vice versa, only to realize 10 years later that I was an idiot.
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Sorry I don't see that. And the basic argument that each option comes with costs was correct.
Yeah, the complaint about "moving UI elements around" was probably the reason for why I wrongly assumed it had to be about 3 vs 4/5/6. I totally agree with you. I work closely with corporate IT but am not a part of it, and therefore I guess I can see both sides. Sure, keeping up with agile release cycles can be a pain as resources are rarely sufficient. On the other hand, if it wasn't for user pressure and FF and Chrome updates, the intranet would still be IE6 only (and even before the new release schedule, FF updates were more frequent than IE). Someone in this discussion complained about frequently changing javascript engines forcing them to retest all the time, to make sure the various javascript tweaks and workarounds still work, and that it's easy for one of the new FF updates to "make important intranet sites unavailable for hours". Well, from the user's perspective it's a good thing that things move forward. And there are still beta phases that give IT more than a few hours to test and fix any issues. The other arguments about clueless users hitting helpdesk indeed makes no sense, as you pointed out.
Actually I'm realizing now that I have no idea which versions you are comparing:) When I replied, I was convinced you were talking 3.x vs 4/5/6, where differences were quite large. But probably you meant 4 vs 5 vs 6, in which case yeah, not so different - they *are* in fact minor version upgrades and they just count differently. Anyway, here's a list: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Firefox
On ARD in the election show Claudia Roth congratulated the Pirate Party and said she's looking forward to a tough but good collaboration, and that the PP result shows that the Greens will have to strengthen their position on citizen rights.
I guess I have similar traits but over the years somehow learned to accommodate the silliness (which is why I thought my question may be helpful in the first place:)
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It's not true, I run Unity with dual screens with on a MacBook Pro with an nvidia card and on a Lenovo with Intel. It's not perfect, but it works.
Mint still rocks GNOME2
Yeah because they haven't released a distro upgrade yet. Just a few days ago they announced that they would switch to Gnome 3 & gnome-shell.
Or fucking fork GNOME2 and go from there. But they didn't.
True, but it would have been a massive undertaking that I don't think Canonical could have shouldered. Also, whatever you think about Unity, Gnome 2 wasn't perfect either.
For launcher icons, simply install Alacarte, the gnome menu editor. I think you need to install it first. Entries you create there will be available in Unity's Dash just like any other. Yes, that should have been integrated better,
They felt the need because init.d is slow to boot (inherently, because it starts things always sequentially). You may have seen this is as a problem or not, but stating that there was no reason is misleading. And you can still configure things in xorg.conf if you want to. I haven't used Debian in a while, but the ability to run with a minimal xorg.conf was implemented in the X.org project, so I'd figure Debian is not much different.
I've used October Gnome (!), KDE 1.0 before that, and fvwm2 even before that. And I, too, like Unity.
You can't multitask? You can't move icons? Not true at all.
And Xubuntu as well.
You do know that it's the Gnome project who discontinued Gnome 2, right? So for Ubuntu the option was to go with Gnome 3 (which has "icons down the side" as well) or do their own desktop shell (which they did with Unity). Kubuntu and Lubuntu exist for those who don't want Gnome, anyway. So, I think that your rant was misdirected.
Worked like that on Blackberry. After switching to Android I thought I just can't find the setting. Thanks for clearing that up.
I think I've seen this particular Ask Slashdot question 5 times before. Editors.
Whatever dude, it's your life, and theirs.
So? You are free to pursue the short-term advantages. This does not mean other people with different goals in mind are out of touch with reality. They just have different priorities (when FSF, Linux, and RH were young, they could not make a living out out it).
Some people try the impossible and stupid, and ultimately it's for later generations to judge their success. When Stallman started FSF, today's state of free software appeared out of touch with reality
1, expecting all software to be free is being out of touch with reality in my book
The same thing certainly was said in 1750 about all people being considered equal before the law.
Nice piece of work in the quoting there:
Note particularly the following:
"And I think there is a lot of value to have that experience you show the world to be consistent. In GNOME2 we didn't do that particularly well because everyone's desktop was different."
Actual context:
We are also not only users of free desktops, but we are also its advocates, we are in the marketing team. Everywhere we go people look over our shoulders and say "Hey that's cool, what's that?" and then we get a chance to talk about GNOME, a chance to talk about free software. And I think there is a lot of value to have that experience you show the world to be consistent. In GNOME2 we didn't do that particularly well because everyone's desktop was different. So when people are looking at it, they don't see something that is idiosyncratic, they see you as part of a larger movement. And I think that's worth considering when customize your desktops. But that's not something we will ever prevent.
I thought it mattered because in my experience most people my age (42) have made more diverse things happen in life. Maybe you were lucky or just good at it. I myself have certainly had situations come up after which I thought, "well, I don't want to talk to this person anymore" and vice versa, only to realize 10 years later that I was an idiot.
Sorry I don't see that. And the basic argument that each option comes with costs was correct.
What are you, 10 years old?
Last I heard, configurable settings were bad
Someone lied to you or you misheard. Go read the original article by Havoc Pennington.
Yeah, the complaint about "moving UI elements around" was probably the reason for why I wrongly assumed it had to be about 3 vs 4/5/6.
I totally agree with you. I work closely with corporate IT but am not a part of it, and therefore I guess I can see both sides. Sure, keeping up with agile release cycles can be a pain as resources are rarely sufficient. On the other hand, if it wasn't for user pressure and FF and Chrome updates, the intranet would still be IE6 only (and even before the new release schedule, FF updates were more frequent than IE). Someone in this discussion complained about frequently changing javascript engines forcing them to retest all the time, to make sure the various javascript tweaks and workarounds still work, and that it's easy for one of the new FF updates to "make important intranet sites unavailable for hours". Well, from the user's perspective it's a good thing that things move forward. And there are still beta phases that give IT more than a few hours to test and fix any issues. The other arguments about clueless users hitting helpdesk indeed makes no sense, as you pointed out.
Actually I'm realizing now that I have no idea which versions you are comparing :) When I replied, I was convinced you were talking 3.x vs 4/5/6, where differences were quite large. But probably you meant 4 vs 5 vs 6, in which case yeah, not so different - they *are* in fact minor version upgrades and they just count differently. Anyway, here's a list: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Firefox
I'm confused. I typically use Firefox and haven't noticed any changes whatsoever.
Either updates don't work or you have a very high perception threshold.
On ARD in the election show Claudia Roth congratulated the Pirate Party and said she's looking forward to a tough but good collaboration, and that the PP result shows that the Greens will have to strengthen their position on citizen rights.
I guess I have similar traits but over the years somehow learned to accommodate the silliness (which is why I thought my question may be helpful in the first place :)