[...] without Tolkien most of what you call "actual literature" probably would never have existed. Are you serious? I certainly hope that you are not, or that I misunderstand something.
I guess you can choose to see it as a RMS plot, as you did, or you can see it as a question of practical issues. I would tend to the latter, and I would think a company buying stuff from another company needs less protection than consumers, who usually don't have a legal department to negotiate contracts. But YMMV.
Thanks. IANAL either, but I can see that GPL3 seems to make a difference between consumer products and others. I will have to read up on where this came from and what it means.
It is very obvious, however, that it is not a clause that gives IBM any more rights than others, as you claimed. Were IBM to sell me a consumer product, they would be bound by the same rules as anyone else doing so.
It's a hell of an extrapolation to assume that because I read slashdot and am interested in computers, that I would have the slightest idea where to look for the release notes, no matter how obvious that may seem to you. Sorry, I don't see it that way. Is it really that far-fetched to google for Ubuntu+8.04+release or to go to ubuntu.com and click on "Ubuntu 8.04 released" when you want to know something about the Ubuntu 8.04 release?
I spend time helping folks on mailing lists too, but rather than berating them for not reading the docs, I just give them the URL they need. Sometimes folks just have a hard time finding what they're looking for and there's no need to bite their heads off. You are right, but it can still happen after one too many of these questions. That said, I'd never do that on the list.
Sorry for being rude, it's just that I've seen too many users who don't do the obvious, to read the instructions.
It is still possible to edit sources.list manually and to use dist-upgrade. But then one needs to manage problems manually, too. And those will occur just like they have always done, in any distro. The new Ubuntu-provided tools are set up for a specific upgrade path and "know" about common issues, and so they make it much easier.
Not condescending, but annoyed. And when someone is really clueless I am very patient, but you post on Slashdot and run a server, so I assume you are interested in computers and capable of reading docs. This is the, I dunno, 5th Ubuntu release I witness, and time after time people don't do the logical thing. I have spent countless hours on the mailing list to help them out, when all they would have needed to do is:
I dunno, an integrated desktop that actually works together, instead of lots of competing stuff that fights over file extensions and clutters your start menu?
A unified package database that upgrades my whole system with 1 click?
Ubuntu 8.04 includes Firefox 3.0 beta 5. This was felt to be the best option despite its pre-release status, in light of the extended support lifetime of Ubuntu 8.04 and the importance and complexity of Firefox security updates. Further release candidates and the final release may be considered for post-release updates.
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Just download the Alternate CD, burn, pop it in.
Whatever happened to reading the release notes? I swear this is the last time during this upgrade cycle that I write anything to help people who haven't done their homework.
Of course the compat pack only covers features that are shared between the different Office versions. If someone sends you an *.xlsm file with 66,000 rows, you are out of luck even with the compat pack.
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The fact that largely the same people are involved makes this a pretty reasonable assumption, no?
Ok, there's a comment on the "user product" clause here: http://radar.oreilly.com/archives/2007/03/gplv3-user-products-clause.html
I guess you can choose to see it as a RMS plot, as you did, or you can see it as a question of practical issues. I would tend to the latter, and I would think a company buying stuff from another company needs less protection than consumers, who usually don't have a legal department to negotiate contracts. But YMMV.
Thanks. IANAL either, but I can see that GPL3 seems to make a difference between consumer products and others. I will have to read up on where this came from and what it means.
It is very obvious, however, that it is not a clause that gives IBM any more rights than others, as you claimed. Were IBM to sell me a consumer product, they would be bound by the same rules as anyone else doing so.
Did we avoid them?
And are you going to actually tell us which part of the GPL3 commits this horrible act of treason?
Sorry for being rude, it's just that I've seen too many users who don't do the obvious, to read the instructions.
It is still possible to edit sources.list manually and to use dist-upgrade. But then one needs to manage problems manually, too. And those will occur just like they have always done, in any distro.
The new Ubuntu-provided tools are set up for a specific upgrade path and "know" about common issues, and so they make it much easier.
Not condescending, but annoyed. And when someone is really clueless I am very patient, but you post on Slashdot and run a server, so I assume you are interested in computers and capable of reading docs. This is the, I dunno, 5th Ubuntu release I witness, and time after time people don't do the logical thing. I have spent countless hours on the mailing list to help them out, when all they would have needed to do is:
http://www.google.com/search?q=ubuntu+8.04+release or, god beware, go to http://www.ubuntu.com/ and follow the release announcement.
I was a newbie too, but I tried to do my homework before asking other people for help. It's called courtesy.
You missed the question in the post I replied to, "can apt-get do a dist-upgrade from the DVD?". Granted, I also missed the "DVD" part.
I won't even comment the other stuff you wrote as it's a waste of time, but "product liability"? Really? Are you serious?
I dunno, an integrated desktop that actually works together, instead of lots of competing stuff that fights over file extensions and clutters your start menu?
A unified package database that upgrades my whole system with 1 click?
You should not use apt-get dist-upgrade. Read the instructions for christ's sakes, esp. if you are running a server.
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The button will appear only after you read the release notes.
UbuntuDupe, is that you?
http://www.ubuntu.com/getubuntu/releasenotes/804
Read the fucking release notes and you might just learn something. Sheesh. http://www.ubuntu.com/getubuntu/releasenotes/804
Release Notes.
Just download the Alternate CD, burn, pop it in.
Whatever happened to reading the release notes? I swear this is the last time during this upgrade cycle that I write anything to help people who haven't done their homework.
Of course the compat pack only covers features that are shared between the different Office versions. If someone sends you an *.xlsm file with 66,000 rows, you are out of luck even with the compat pack.
Sure. I was just talking about the current situation over ethernet.