1. Microsoft Internet Explorer 7
2. The MPAA
3. The RIAA
4. Flash
5. Javascript
6. Pointless registration screens.
7. Content blocked for certain regions.
8. Spammers
9. Phishers
10. Senator Orrin Hatch
11. Nigeria (I mean, come on, how many millionaire spam scams emails have you ever gotten from Belarus or Burma?)
12. Senator Ted. "Tubey" Stevens
13. Bears (Not sure on this one, but Colbert insisted it belonged here)
"I can lead you to water but I can't make you drink"
You have yet to make a connection between saying something and "taking the law into your own hands". You are leading me to a dry well. There is certainly no connection between deterring free speech and "and the deterrent of vigilantism".
"If I had a free shot at someone that I hated and I knew that a lie couldn't get back to me..."
If that shot involved a gun and bullets, you might be able to argue vigilantism. If is just words, you can't.
"Of course, that isn't vigilantism, but if the person were a hated group, say "sexual perverts", and I were a group of rednecks then suddenly it is vigilantism."
Typically, that is called "hate speech", yet another term unrelated to "vigilantism."
The Rowling site is a bad example of Flash. The flash is intertwined in the UI and makes the page hard to use. They had a bizarre long list of different alternatives. Well-designed web sites make one site that works so you don't have to choose from a long list.
Google.com? It just works. You don't have to choose between 6 versions of it. Youtube.com? It just works. Also, you don't have to choose between 6 versions of it. It also has Flash, but the Flash is were it belongs: in the media, not the UI.
"You took exception to the use of "vigilante" because you claimed "they certainly aren't arresting people or hanging them or even imprisoning them." Those were your exact words"
Yes, because vigilantism involves taking the law into your own hands. Look up the definition. I object to the use of the word since this is not happening here.
"This "US vigilante group" took it upon themselves...."
Who are you talking about? No vigilante group has been discussed yet. You have not yet bothered to make a case that this group is vigilante at all.
"Oh come on, krell, I quoted it. You are such a stooge."
The message you quoted did not contain the fabricated quote, which was "We're gonna have a first class trial followed by a first class hangin'." - krell ". Hence, my faked quotes from you about AMC pacers and Barney.
"So yes, krell, you can be a vigilante with arresting, hanging or imprisoning people."
"So I get pages with blank graphical holes in them"
Doesn't matter. You aren't missing anything. Unless, of course, you happen to like Youtube videos and "HomeStarRunner". Other than that, the vast majority of the flash out there is garbage.
"Not only do you have the "right to open a business" you have the "right to a profit" just ask the neo-cons here"
I've only ever seen one neocon on Slashdot, ever. As for a profit, as long as you earn it with the consent of those involved, what is the problem? This sounds like traditional basic rights and freedoms, not neo- anything.
"When I'm faced with something I can't handel - I see if I can't find an alternative, the same would be for Target if my color blindness cause issues there. I'd go to amazon, or walmart, or "bobs house of good stuff"... whatever... It's stupid to create such a fuss over this. "
I love Target. Their green bullseye logo is so distinctive.
"which allow you to control-click by holding two fingers on the trackpad..."
Don't tell me.... is those one of those that registers click-button presses when you accidentally bump your finger on the touchpad? Those are worst of all, and constantly register mis-firing. A real mouse does not register bogus clicks when you move the pointer, nor should a trackpad. When I see such a machine, I'm quickly digging into the settings to get rid of the possibility of bogus mouse clicks generated from the pad surface.
And those who hate Flash, you must really hate Youtube since the movies there use Flash."
Flash has its place, as I said, in such things as content, not the UI of a site. Youtube does a great job with this: the flash is limited to the "movie view" windows. You don't find it in the hyperlinks, IMG, or other basic HTML elements where Flash is clearly not needed. It's the bad Flash programmers that don't know where to quit. They'd be the ones who'd trash with Flash everything on Youtube, not just the little movie windows.
"It is a violation of basic property rights (and by definition fascist) for a government entity to direct a private company to serve certain customers if they so choose not to do so."
If there's one thing fascism was known for, it was for requiring citizens to give fair and equal treatment to the disabled and members of minority groups. Why, I have no idea how someone could have gotten the opposite impression!
"Ah, krell, you're never gonna learn what a vigilante is, are you? If it doesn't involve beating with a baseball bat it isn't vigilantism, right krell?"
Actually, it has to do with taking the law into your own hands.
""We're gonna have a first class trial followed by a first class hangin'." - krell "
Nice going! Since I said nothing at all to remotely support this, you make up a quote where I did.
"I have no idea what I'm talking about. Sorry to bother you."
They certainly aren't arresting people or hanging them or even imprisoning them. The article says they "destroy lives", when in fact the guys they "sting" destroy their own lives.
"I have used it before to provide an animated virtual front panel for remote equipment. It was like a cartoon of what the machine was doing."
That sounds like a wonderfully appropriate usage of Flash!. One I did not cover. One that is very far from "Flash abuse" such as trashing up what should be an easy-to-use typical basic webpage UI like I just found at J K Rowling's site. The work of dark wizards, it is.
That's one terrible designed site. I had to wait about 15 seconds for a front page with hardly anything on it to load. Once you click on the option, it brings up another standards-defiant crippled screen with no browser menu on it. The thing even has popups in it (nicely blocked by my browser). What sites bombard users with useless popups? Badly-designed quickie Geocities pages, porn sites, and JK Rowling's page. I never could get anywhere in it. I will say that if Rowling had her site designed as an inscrutable puzzle, she did the job well. Otherwise it is a great example of how Flash does not belong in a UI fo a web page. At all.
Flash always ignores my browser default text settings. It also makes noises when I have configured the browser to be silent. On top of that, there are bugs in it that mean that highlight,copy,paste doesn't work. Of course, these would not be a problem if the flash users followed the basic rule to never use Flash as part of the UI, and only use it as part of media to be viewed or a game to be played.. If they followed that rule, it would get rid of the frustration of having to fight against a Flash UI that fails at following ui/web standards.
Slashdot Mirror
1. Microsoft Internet Explorer 7
2. The MPAA
3. The RIAA
4. Flash
5. Javascript
6. Pointless registration screens.
7. Content blocked for certain regions.
8. Spammers
9. Phishers
10. Senator Orrin Hatch
11. Nigeria (I mean, come on, how many millionaire spam scams emails have you ever gotten from Belarus or Burma?)
12. Senator Ted. "Tubey" Stevens
13. Bears (Not sure on this one, but Colbert insisted it belonged here)
"Burkina Faso?"
She played Dorothy in that "Return to Oz" sequel movie.
I spent a day there earlier this year, and could not find a single cybercafe in the place.
"I can lead you to water but I can't make you drink"
You have yet to make a connection between saying something and "taking the law into your own hands". You are leading me to a dry well. There is certainly no connection between deterring free speech and "and the deterrent of vigilantism".
"If I had a free shot at someone that I hated and I knew that a lie couldn't get back to me..."
If that shot involved a gun and bullets, you might be able to argue vigilantism. If is just words, you can't.
"Of course, that isn't vigilantism, but if the person were a hated group, say "sexual perverts", and I were a group of rednecks then suddenly it is vigilantism."
Typically, that is called "hate speech", yet another term unrelated to "vigilantism."
The Rowling site is a bad example of Flash. The flash is intertwined in the UI and makes the page hard to use. They had a bizarre long list of different alternatives. Well-designed web sites make one site that works so you don't have to choose from a long list.
Google.com? It just works. You don't have to choose between 6 versions of it. Youtube.com? It just works. Also, you don't have to choose between 6 versions of it. It also has Flash, but the Flash is were it belongs: in the media, not the UI.
"You took exception to the use of "vigilante" because you claimed "they certainly aren't arresting people or hanging them or even imprisoning them." Those were your exact words"
Yes, because vigilantism involves taking the law into your own hands. Look up the definition. I object to the use of the word since this is not happening here.
"This "US vigilante group" took it upon themselves...."
Who are you talking about? No vigilante group has been discussed yet. You have not yet bothered to make a case that this group is vigilante at all.
"Oh come on, krell, I quoted it. You are such a stooge."
The message you quoted did not contain the fabricated quote, which was "We're gonna have a first class trial followed by a first class hangin'." - krell ". Hence, my faked quotes from you about AMC pacers and Barney.
"So yes, krell, you can be a vigilante with arresting, hanging or imprisoning people."
And, your point is now???
"So I get pages with blank graphical holes in them"
Doesn't matter. You aren't missing anything. Unless, of course, you happen to like Youtube videos and "HomeStarRunner". Other than that, the vast majority of the flash out there is garbage.
as "Plays Who Knows the Hell Where?"
"Not only do you have the "right to open a business" you have the "right to a profit" just ask the neo-cons here"
I've only ever seen one neocon on Slashdot, ever. As for a profit, as long as you earn it with the consent of those involved, what is the problem? This sounds like traditional basic rights and freedoms, not neo- anything.
"That's right, it means taking it on yourself to dish out justice to others"
No, but dishing out justice (or injustice) or whatever IS required. You certainly do not know what a vigilante is.
"Sure you did" [say the faked quote]
Link to the post where I said the faked quote. Can you?
"I wear a leisure suit and think my AMC Pacer is a babe-magnet"
Your problem, not mine.
"When I'm faced with something I can't handel - I see if I can't find an alternative, the same would be for Target if my color blindness cause issues there. I'd go to amazon, or walmart, or "bobs house of good stuff"... whatever... It's stupid to create such a fuss over this. "
I love Target. Their green bullseye logo is so distinctive.
"which allow you to control-click by holding two fingers on the trackpad..."
Don't tell me.... is those one of those that registers click-button presses when you accidentally bump your finger on the touchpad? Those are worst of all, and constantly register mis-firing. A real mouse does not register bogus clicks when you move the pointer, nor should a trackpad. When I see such a machine, I'm quickly digging into the settings to get rid of the possibility of bogus mouse clicks generated from the pad surface.
And those who hate Flash, you must really hate Youtube since the movies there use Flash."
Flash has its place, as I said, in such things as content, not the UI of a site. Youtube does a great job with this: the flash is limited to the "movie view" windows. You don't find it in the hyperlinks, IMG, or other basic HTML elements where Flash is clearly not needed. It's the bad Flash programmers that don't know where to quit. They'd be the ones who'd trash with Flash everything on Youtube, not just the little movie windows.
"Yeah, but Flash developers are like lawyers: it's that 95% that make the good 5% look bad."
Marty McFly: "The Web is so.... fast, and it's hard to find a real bad site!"
Doc Brown: "The internet system works swiftly in the future now that they've abolished all Flash."
"It is a violation of basic property rights (and by definition fascist) for a government entity to direct a private company to serve certain customers if they so choose not to do so."
If there's one thing fascism was known for, it was for requiring citizens to give fair and equal treatment to the disabled and members of minority groups. Why, I have no idea how someone could have gotten the opposite impression!
" I said that removing the deterrent to slander would encourage vigilantism."
There's no connection between speech and vigilantism.
"I like to watch "Barney" and "The Wiggles"
Isn't that a little off-topic?
"Ah, krell, you're never gonna learn what a vigilante is, are you? If it doesn't involve beating with a baseball bat it isn't vigilantism, right krell?"
Actually, it has to do with taking the law into your own hands.
""We're gonna have a first class trial followed by a first class hangin'." - krell "
Nice going! Since I said nothing at all to remotely support this, you make up a quote where I did.
"I have no idea what I'm talking about. Sorry to bother you."
Now, that's a lot better.....
They certainly aren't arresting people or hanging them or even imprisoning them. The article says they "destroy lives", when in fact the guys they "sting" destroy their own lives.
"Yes, but you're forgetting about the payload, man! That 500-pound person is at the store to pick up about 500 pounds of tasty snacks."
What, however, will be the cleaning and plumber's bill when during an extended shopping stay, he takes time out to katrina the restroom?
"I have used it before to provide an animated virtual front panel for remote equipment. It was like a cartoon of what the machine was doing."
That sounds like a wonderfully appropriate usage of Flash!. One I did not cover. One that is very far from "Flash abuse" such as trashing up what should be an easy-to-use typical basic webpage UI like I just found at J K Rowling's site. The work of dark wizards, it is.
That's one terrible designed site. I had to wait about 15 seconds for a front page with hardly anything on it to load. Once you click on the option, it brings up another standards-defiant crippled screen with no browser menu on it. The thing even has popups in it (nicely blocked by my browser). What sites bombard users with useless popups? Badly-designed quickie Geocities pages, porn sites, and JK Rowling's page. I never could get anywhere in it. I will say that if Rowling had her site designed as an inscrutable puzzle, she did the job well. Otherwise it is a great example of how Flash does not belong in a UI fo a web page. At all.
Flash always ignores my browser default text settings. It also makes noises when I have configured the browser to be silent. On top of that, there are bugs in it that mean that highlight,copy,paste doesn't work. Of course, these would not be a problem if the flash users followed the basic rule to never use Flash as part of the UI, and only use it as part of media to be viewed or a game to be played.. If they followed that rule, it would get rid of the frustration of having to fight against a Flash UI that fails at following ui/web standards.
No, I wasn't talking about the politician. I meant the actual telemarketing firm.
" I don't require it on anything directly exposed to the public, but once a user logs in to one of my sites it is almost always a requirement."
Other than an online cartoon, what do you have to do in Flash that can't be done in html?
If you tell a telemarketing firm not to call you, are they required to honor your request?