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The 13 Enemies of the Internet
Hennell writes "Reporters without borders has just released its annual list of internet enemies, a list of countries 'that systematically violate online free expression.' A couple of countries have been removed, but Egypt has been added. A detailed summary can be read on the BBC Website." From that article: "The blacklist is published annually but it is the first time RSF has organized an online protest to accompany the list. 'We wanted to mobilize net users so that when we lobby certain countries we can say that the concerns are not just ours but those of thousands of internet users around the world,' said a spokesman for RSF. Many of those on the internet blacklist are countries that are regularly criticized by human rights groups, such as China and Burma."
Burkina Faso? Disputed Zone? Who called all these weird places?
the enemy to all of t3h interwebs!!!
Oh crap......
And where is RIAAstate and MPIAcountry?
"an experienced, industrious, ambitious, and often, quite often, picturesque liar" - Mark Twain
that those Uzbek assholes are on the list. Their potassium is vastly inferior to the potassium in the great nation of Khazakistan.
Why only include countries? Why not include companies as well? Some of them are gunning for 'the Internet' either intentionally, or just as a side-effect of unethical practices.
"We are all geniuses when we dream"
- E.M. Cioran
I spent a day there earlier this year, and could not find a single cybercafe in the place.
Where were you when the voynix came?
For the DeCSS code censorship ?
What is the status of that ?
I hope it's not applied anymore, or this smells hypocritical.
I thought journalists thought the US was the root of all evil and Cuba was a paradise with wonderful medical care whose only problems were caused by US oppression? Something's wrong here.
"Burkina Faso?"
She played Dorothy in that "Return to Oz" sequel movie.
Where were you when the voynix came?
These countries are so vile...you might just say they are the Axis of e-Vile!
Although we know you are sorry [sorryeverybody.com] and even more people than the ones who voted against your current regime are sorry now, now it is the time for you to make the difference.
Please go out and vote, and if you know someone who does not want to vote please convince him/her to vote. It is on your hands the power to finish the war and terrorism. Vote to remove the totalitarian regime from your beautiful country and to start restoring the rights your government has removed from you.
I am not from USA, but I KNOW there is good people there. Please go out and vote, we need you, people from the USA, we need you to stop the injustice.
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First of all, it's Myannmar, not Burma. Second of all, I hope that the USA is on the list...it's one of the "countries that are regularly criticised by human rights groups" for such things as torture, racism, warmongering, profiteering, and so on. (I can't read the linked article - it appears to be blocked by the Great Firewall of China)
Shutting down free speech with violence isn't fighting fascism. It IS fascism!
...Presidential... right now. Just think, ME, Karl Cocknozzle, with my own enemies list! And on Election Day to boot!
...Not sure if that's a word or not but there it is.
I feel very Nixonian right now.
Who did what now?
that makes my moving list just a little smaller
Countries which censor or curtail Internet usage (with the obvious exception of China, with its staggering size and mobility) are hardly "enemies" of the Internet - they can't attack it and expect any degree of success. Instead they're foolishly short-sighted, unable to comprehend the massive technological disadvantage any such action entails in the long run. The problem is, this usually correlates with general incompetence, which means many of these countries will become (or already are) failed states which require outside assistance.
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1. Microsoft Internet Explorer 7
2. The MPAA
3. The RIAA
4. Flash
5. Javascript
6. Pointless registration screens.
7. Content blocked for certain regions.
8. Spammers
9. Phishers
10. Senator Orrin Hatch
11. Nigeria (I mean, come on, how many millionaire spam scams emails have you ever gotten from Belarus or Burma?)
12. Senator Ted. "Tubey" Stevens
13. Bears (Not sure on this one, but Colbert insisted it belonged here)
Where were you when the voynix came?
"First of all, it's Myannmar, not Burma"
For one who is so particular, you mispelled "Myanmar". Burma is actually a legitimate name to call the nation, even if it is not the single "official" name.
Where were you when the voynix came?
The United States. God bless our founding fathers for writing the first amendment so clearly. It makes targeting scoundrels that much easier. Anyone who gets fundamentally confused by it is either too stupid to function or evil. Makes fighting back a lot easier because unlike in Europe, if the day ever comes, patriots here could shoot the censors with a clear conscience.
That's why for example, China, Iran, Burma and the USA are in the same group of countries that execute "criminals" yet the USA champions itself as a defender of rights...including the right to life!
On this one thing, Iran, which calls the US "The Great Satan" and the USA, which calls Iran a member of the "Axis of Evil," are in the same group! Ironic? You tell me.
FTA: Iran today boasts of filtering 10 million immoral websites.
/sarcasm
Seems like a great place to raise a child!
What the hell's a "gewie?"
Wait, I thought that the United States was the world's worst police state? Der Fuhrer George Bush and his Goebbels-analogue Rove, along with their glassy-eyed and jackbooted minions crushing all internal dissent with waves of black helicopters or stampeding Religious Fundamentalists?
I say: WTF?
Clearly, they 'got to' RSF and co-opted them. It's a tragedy when attention-whores, er, I mean "journalists" are afraid to 'speak truth to power'.
I know, I know......-842 Troll.
-Styopa
Posting anonymously because I have mod points at the moment.
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The list is from the Privacy International site and features the "Leading surveillance societies in the EU and the World".
http://www.privacyinternational.org/article.shtml
The original article from the Reg provides some background.
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2006/11/06/privacy_u
If you value your privacy, it looks like Canada and Germany are the places to be.
Depressing that there are so few places.
You're just trolling by asking about the US, but Cuba is a valid one that I was going to question myself. At the recent UN summit on internet access, it was alleged that "Zero percent of Cubans are connected to the Internet because of the censorship hold that the authorities there have over their people.
Oh, and wandering why you are sitting naked in your office, with door wide open, if you don't want to be seen in such state of undress by happy men ;-)
Or are you happy yourself?
Anecdotal evidence, but...
.cu address.
Recently on USENET, on comp.lang.c++, there was a post by someone claiming to be from Cuba, with a
Fascism starts when the efficiency of the government becomes more important than the rights of the people.
If anyone here knows the UK's Channel 4 series 'Fr Ted', then lemme say this: this list reminds me of fr Noel Furlong priest when he goes to put Tony on his little 'list of enemies'. I guess you had to be there at the time,
Funny funny show
When the posters fear their moderators, there is tyranny; when the moderators fears the posters, there is liberty.
In case you hadn't noticed, there is a heavy overlap between this list and the infamous US "axis of evil" list.
As I've worked with people from some of the nations on the list, I consider it far more likely to be a fluff piece to get the techies voting for continued US warmongering, given it's fortuitous release on the day of an important US vote.
Thumbs down on clumsy propaganda.
I do not fail; I succeed at finding out what does not work.
With the exception of Burma (which has long been a pariah military dictatorship), all the countries are either ruled by a communist party (or direct sucessor) or they are from an islamic culture.
Cuba is a great place where every citizen is taken care of. It is the exact opposite of the US under Bush. What is the point of your hateful troll? To show just how little you understand about Cuba?
The United Nations, because censorship will be world-wide if it does get control of the Internet.
I hope it was a good one, because you won't be seeing any more posts from that guy.
Also, please do not mention the service you mentioned in your post on Slashdot again. You know why.
Thats a list for ASIA countries only...
Cuba is a great place where every citizen is taken care of. It is the exact opposite of the US under Bush.
And the Mafia is a wonderful organization where every squealer is "taken care of."
Cuba is a great place where every citizen is taken care of. It is the exact opposite of the US under Bush. What is the point of your hateful troll? To show just how little you understand about Cuba?
My only question, El Presidente, is where you sent that post from, since your nation has no internet.
I know, I know......-842 Troll.
I'd give you a +1 Funny, but I blew all my points down-modding the "Progressive" trolls that flocked to the "HBO's Hacking Democracy Available Online" yesterday.
Thanks for the laugh though.
What?
Belarus? Egypt? Tunisia? Cuba? ... Go, buy a new globe!
"Hannibal's plans never work right. They just work." Amy/A-Team
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Dude, China says they don't censor the Internet. This list is bogus! Down with the Man!
you may act unethically, however doing so will cause a large number of people or organisations with more moral fiber to cease doing business with you.
Hello! May I be the first to welcome you to our planet. You may find things here a little unsettling, coming from your obviously very advanced civilization and culture; in the meantime I recommend you don't try to make sense of anything.
Oh, and be sure to try the pastrami, it's excellent here.
"Ladies and gentlemen, my killbot features Lotus Notes and a machine gun. It is the finest available."
Well, what else do you think Fidel had to do when he was laid up?
.NET kind of guy.
Funny he'd go for C++ though. I always figured him as a C#
"Ladies and gentlemen, my killbot features Lotus Notes and a machine gun. It is the finest available."
You can't ask me to elaborate on my unfounded opinions. I say things like that when people don't agree with me. It's funny how stupid you are in that respect.
Do the pyramids' get broadband, or is their wiring too old?
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The US prohibits gambling on the internet. It arrests people who run gambling sites.
I thought for sure we would be.
Cite credible sources if you think otherwise. And try to raise the level of discussion, not lower it, by character assasination.
Kinda like the former Soviet Union under Stalin, where every citizen that still remains is taken care of?
The U.S. government recently passed the Unlawful Internet Gambling Enforcement Act. In fact they snuck it in at the last minute of the legislative session by attaching it to a port security bill. The UIGEA is meant to impair U.S. citizens' ability to gamble online. This is effectively limiting the freedom of U.S. citizens to do what they want with their own hard earned money, and is ultimately restricting free trade on the internet. For that I think the U.S. should be on this list.
What does your game room look like? http://gameroomgear.blogspot.com/
"We wanted to mobilise net users so that when we lobby certain countries we can say that the concerns are not just ours but those of thousands of internet users around the world," ... Many of those on the internet blacklist are countries that are regularly criticised by human rights groups, such as China and Burma.
Hmm. Let's see what the tradeoffs for China are in this situation.
On one hand, they have total control of 1 billion human beings if they control what they read, hear, and say.
On the other hand, they have a few thousand people whom they can ignore simply by not reading some web page.
I dunno man. Those few thousand people hold a lot of power over the guy who weilds more power than any other person on earth. They might even be able to hurt his feelings and make him look bad to the people who he's controlling, if only he doesn't censor the internet...
"No problem. I have the capacity to do infinite work so long as you don't mind that my quality approaches zero."-Dilbert
"Belarus? Egypt? Tunisia? Cuba? ... Go, buy a new globe!"
I'm almost willing to spot him Egypt. The Sinai is sometimes, but not usually, considered to be part of Asia, since it is at the continental split.
Where were you when the voynix came?
Zing!
I could not justify my existence if I were a turkey farmer. Would I terminate myself? Undoubtably, yes.
Obviously the poster lives in one of the 13 countries. I managed to get ahold of the uncensored version, posted below.
My fellow slashdotters, this article couldn't be more right! The censorship in China is known by everyone, and is largely effective. It's the absolute truth. Freedom and liberty are severly curtailed in China, anyone that speaks out against the government is rounded up and never heard from again. Sorry, I must go now. It took a bit of doing to get past the firewall to even read the slashdot article, but surely they'll plug the hole soon enough.
AccountKiller
cuba does have the internet, but its very controlled and access outside of public terminals, universities, and 'computer clubs' is forbidden. It is possible he posted from one of those
There's not a word about Elbonia.
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I would like to apologize to all the Germans for calling their country Germany (Deutschland). I would like to also appologize to the citizens of Japan (Nihon), Vienna (Vien), Cologne (Koln), Rome (Roma), Bombay (Mumbai), Lisbon (Lisboa), Warsaw (Warszawa), and Leghorn (Livorno). I would also like to apologize to the Dutch (Nederlanders). Please accept my apology on behalf of all English speaking peoples everywhere for using perfectly proper english names for your countries, people, languages, and cities when speaking English. I shall henceforth brush up on my Japanese, Hindi, German, and Polish, and every other languange in the world so I can refere to you in your native language, even when speaking my own.
If this passes, next year Brazil will make it into the list!
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Sad
And how well they're taken care of indeed!
You disable the right-click LOL. What a toolish website.
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They forgot Ted "Series of Tubes" Stevens.
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An enemy means you oppose the device. Reading this list I don't see many that are "we will destroy the internet" (though I'm sure that's they don't love it) This appears more to be enemy of free speech or radical thinking, which winds up with censorship of the internet.
In case you hadn't noticed, there is a heavy overlap between this list and the infamous US "axis of evil" list. ... Thumbs down on clumsy propaganda.
Or, in other words, "-1, Doesn't Compare Bush to Hitler".
As everyone knows, Reporters Without Borders is practically a G.O.P. front group. Those guys are nothing but lock-step, Republican, neocon fascists, all the way.
"Ladies and gentlemen, my killbot features Lotus Notes and a machine gun. It is the finest available."
For every email you send from Yahoo mail, the IP address from where you sent is is disclosed to the receiver.
Now, I am not in any way defending Yahoo's reprehensible conduct in China, but the behavior that you describe regarding IP addresses in mail headers is the way things are supposed to work. The address of the originating machine should be listed as the first of the 'Received' headers. This just makes sense -- it's not "Yahoo" that's sending you the message, they're just passing it on behalf of some other person.
Webmail isn't supposed to automatically be an anonymizing service. It's unfortunate that many people aren't aware of this, and don't understand that many things they consider 'private' on the net are really anything but; however Yahoo shouldn't be faulted for acting according to accepted RFCs and protocols.
There are plenty of anonymous email systems out there for all your remailing needs; Yahoo Mail, Hotmail, and GMail are not the tool for the job.
Now, there is a very good argument somewhere in here, for mandating that ISPs either not create, or immediately delete after a short period of time, all their logs that could be used to cross-reference actual people to IP addresses. This would effectively create anonymity at the IP address level. However, since this is not the case, users should seek privacy higher up in the stack, at the messaging-system (application) level, by choosing the correct tool for communication.
"Ladies and gentlemen, my killbot features Lotus Notes and a machine gun. It is the finest available."
Gamingmuseum.com: Give your 3D accelerator a rest.
I voted Republican across the ballot!
an ill wind that blows no good
Wes' fingers, both his eyes, 1/2 can of Redbull and his brain. His brain only counts for 1/2 because it only works half the time.
No, I posted from my dorm room at Harvard (via a proxy to get around some of the web filters here).
It's amazing to see the number of personal attacks that people make on those that tell the uncomfortable truth. I spent seven years in Cuba. The people were healthier and happier than they are here in Boston under the Bush dictatorship. The citizens there have many more rights than we do under Bush. Bush has taken away almost every single right in the Bill of Rights. He no longer allows many of the supporters of his opponents to vote. He destroyed a large city that opposed him. He has doubled the price of gas. Gas in Cuba is much cheaper because the government cares about the people. Chavez is a great man, and he is helping to provide cheap gas. The only better thing about the US is the tremendous amount of wealth. Of course only an idiot would trade freedom and security for money.
To quote Samuel Adams from back when the US was a free country:
"If ye love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your council or your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that ye were our countrymen."
The Bush worshipers have traded liberty for wealth. They are no longer free, but all they care about are their SUV's and gadgets.
You should visit Cuba to see how much better things are there. The people are happy and nice. They're not the hateful close minded morons that nearly 99% of the people in the US have become. The US is a horrible place to live now. As soon as I get my degree, I'm headed back to my home country of Costa Rica to help make it more like Cuba.
Remember, evil spelled backwards is live.
Come to think of it, vile is just an anagram of live.
--Dave Romig, Jr.
Why would you assume I'm in Cuba or even Cuban? I'm just someone that has spent several years in Cuba and several years in the US. I see how the US has become a police state. I see how the Republicans have destroyed every freedom you people ever had. I see people that hate life and want to kill others simply because they don't want to live themselves. I see people that are so violent that they think they have the right to own a gun! A gun! There are many people in the US that even own weapons of war. Here in Boston there are murders every single day. When I was in Cuba, I don't remember hearing about a single one. In Cuba I saw a few people driving less than safely, but the roads here in Boston are a terror. You can tell the vast majority of people have no respect for life by the way they drive.
Just think of the horrors that you are defending.
'As soon as I get my degree, I'm headed back to my home country of Costa Rica'.
I'm sure you'll be missed.
13 countries beneath your current threshold.
From the Article: Iran today boasts of filtering 10 million "immoral" websites. Pornographic sites, political sites and those dealing with religion are usually the ones most targeted.
Judging from my spam filter, 10e^6 seems like it wouldn't even cover all the porn sites.
Um, shouldn't this comment be applied to the poster I was responding to? I was defending the use of the alternate term.
Of course, even that poster wasn't criticizing the use of a term different from what natives call the country; he was criticizing the use of a term different from the one natives (well, the government there) ask English-speakers to call it.
Apology to Ubuntu forum.
Sorry.. I wasn't addressing you personally. I just find the entire line of conversation preposterous.
Jack Thompson. At least, I bet that sooner or later he will be.
It's current dictatorship was directly inspired by Mao Zedong's Chinese regime. A high ranking military official was so impressed by the "discipline" he saw in the PRC that he engineered a coup to install a similar regime in Burma. Not exactly a party-run dictatorship, but close enough to support your main point. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Burmese_Way_to_Social ism
As a frequent traveler to the Middle East, here are some countries that were missed:
Kuwait
Qatar
Bahrain
United Arab Emirates
(notice anything in common?)
They all filter for objectionable content such as pornography, anything pro Israel, anything critical of Islam, anything critical of the Palestinians, and the Mohammed cartoons.
Sure you are. You're a snotty college kid who probably doesn't even go to Harvard and the most international experience you've ever had was a drunken frat party in Cozumel. I don't think even you believe the things you're saying anyway.
What? No Canada, No Germany, no France and no Brazil? But Belarus, only because a couple of websites "mysteriously disappeared" (most likely, done by the American-paid so-called "opposition" itself)?
Perhaps you should have gone to school in Cuba or Costa Rica then? Oh, that's right, they're actually little backwater shitholes that no one with a choice seriously wants to live in.
Ever hear of biting the hand that feeds you? You've got some huge balls to come to a country, take advantage of it, then talk shit about it. But hey, it's America, you're allowed to do that. Try doing that in Cuba.
They forgot Goldstein.
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Master Shake
He's using an open wireless node in Miami. Hey, he runs his own country, he can use amps and antennas as big as he wants.
There are a relatively small number of Cubans (vis-a-vis China or Russia) who list themselves on dating (and "dating") web sites and who also have IM addresses. I got the impression one could easily arrange for an escort or other companionship should one decide to include Cuba on their vacation itinerary.
Reporters without borders get paid by the CIA. In consequence, it have no credibility at all. http://www.voltairenet.org/article127688.html
It gets especially silly when they get into pronunciation. Is Qatar "cutter", "cotter", "gutter", "catarrh", or one of the variations that can't even be spelled out using ordinary English letters? This is important, people. We need the one true proncunciation so that Wolf Blitzer doesn't feel stupid when reading the teleprompter.
Nice troll moderation, except when you think that all of those countries listed here are in the UN, and some of them have a lot of power and a history of getting on commissions where the don't belong. China, Cuba, Saudi Arabia and Tunisia (all on this list) are currently sitting on the UN Human Rights Council despite rules meant to keep countries with a policy of human rights abuses from being members. You can bet that China and one or more of the others will be on any Internet Governance Council in the future, and they will be deciding what speech is allowed.
It's a good bet that European countries will be on the council, and their legal philosophy is that "hate speech" is not allowed, even if it is valid criticism.
Even the United States may be on that council, and you know how we are about freedom of speech when it comes to programming code (DeCSS and crypto exports).
Basically, the semi-anarchy we have now is quite necessary in order to ensure freedom of speech on the Internet.
Go ahead, moderate me troll again for telling the truth. I've got karma to burn. However, I believe that since I criticized the US in this post it won't be moderated as a troll.
...But you can't hold a whole political party responsible for the behavior of a few, sick twisted individuals. For if you do, then shouldn't we blame the whole party system? And if the whole political system is guilty, then isn't this an indictment of our government institutions in general? I put it to you, Greg - isn't this an indictment of our entire American society? Well, you can do whatever you want to us, but we're not going to sit here and listen to you badmouth the United States of America. Gentlemen!
an ill wind that blows no good
Why would you assume I'm in Cuba or even Cuban? I'm just someone that has spent several years in Cuba and several years in the US. I see how the US has become a police state. I see how the Republicans have destroyed every freedom you people ever had. I see people that hate life and want to kill others simply because they don't want to live themselves. I see people that are so violent that they think they have the right to own a gun! A gun! There are many people in the US that even own weapons of war. Here in Boston there are murders every single day. When I was in Cuba, I don't remember hearing about a single one. In Cuba I saw a few people driving less than safely, but the roads here in Boston are a terror. You can tell the vast majority of people have no respect for life by the way they drive.
Shut up troll.