What? In 1997? You probably meant 2007, and your link says 2007, too.
Still, this is not the first such work. The first pioneering work was not done by University of Wisconsin or by Harvard. It was first published by a research group in Kyote, Japan in 2006:
http://www.cell.com/content/article/abstract?uid=PIIS0092867406009767
Everyone in the stem cell research know that these guys are very likely to get the Nobel!
The Youtube closure was effective only for one day and the ban was due to a court decision. It was not invoked by the goverment or it wasn't an arbitrary decision. Youtube eventually apologized and removed the video. The other day, a group of young people in Turkey appealed against the ruling which they claimed to be against free speech, and eventually the court lifted the ban.
Like anywhere in Europe, courts have to give their verdict according to laws. Ataturk was the founder of modern Turkey, and as a tribute to his contributions and revolutionizing the country, the parliment long time ago issued a special penal code regarding insults to him etc., which is still effective. Turkey's justice system is attached to the European laws. It could never be a China or Russia. Any European/Turkish citizen has the right to bring something that he is not happy with to the attention of the European court of Human Rights (ECHR). All decisions have to be obeyed by Turkey. and if necessary, Turkey has to change its laws to abide the rulings of the European courts! (Google it!)
There is no any other case in which a web site was banned in Turkey. Even the ones supporting the Armenian genocide. I don't understand people who say "journalist were murdered because they supported the genocide claims" or "talking about the Armenian issue is a crime" etc... This is simply not true!
Halil Berktay (look in Wikipedia) is a well known Turkish historian who is supporting the Armenian Genocide. He was not convicted because of his academic studies/thoughts regarding this issue.
"you would dispute any source that i would bring forth."
You are right, I would not believe any of the sources you provide. Because there can't be any source as to how many people want to be ruled by islamic rule in Turkey, and I assume this 20% is something you made up.
I agree that Article 301 must be axed. It is a shame for Turkey. But this discussion would be off topic now.
Whereas I stongly agree that there must be something in the penal code against web sites featuring child porn etc. so that quily people won't go away with their crimes.
I also wonder why your comments (no matter how bad they are:) ) always get a score of 2, while mines are 1? Any possibility that you are moderating this discussion?:)
"The percentage that wants it is around 20% of the voters".
Oh yes? And where did you get this information, if i can ask?
So you think more than half of the people who've voted for the current governtment want to be ruled by "Islamic rule"? This is ridiculous.
"military wants european union"
Noone cares about what the military wants. The fact that most Turkish people want to join the EU is enough.
Military invasions in Turkey have done enough damage to the country. In fact, most of the resistance to join the EU came from the army in Turkey.
"WHO is going to define what is "morally detrimental" to the "Children" ?
what defines morally detrimental ? as with the current law in turkey ANYTHING that is critisizing the state can be placed as "morally detrimental" to upbringing of the children."
In all western democracies eventually courts decide if something is detrimental to children or not. In all western democracies there are such laws to protect the most vulnerable from the ill child-porn wes sites.
I don't think you are aware that there is no such thing as "current law in Turkey" about this, as you put it. If you read the news article carefully you'll see that it's only a proposition.
Yes it was Sabah who started the campaign:
http://www.sabah.com.tr/ozel/temiz3571/dosya_3571. html (web page is in Turkish)
There is no place on Slashdot to attack individuals with words like "cut the crap". I provide my fact with links.
I am sorry then to tell you that, forget about the denial, even discussing of the Armenian massacre is something punishable in most European countries.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/6434041.st m
In Turkey, however, people can still freely discuss the issue, whether they oppose or support the claim.
I was shocked when I followed the link in the/. summary to read the news on CNN to see how media can twist things to create "news".
A daily Turkish newspaper (www.sabah.com.tr) has been recently campaigning for "clean Internet" in Turkey to protect children being abused in the Internet, to prevent access to child-porn sites, to show no tolerance to those who put these materials on their web sites etc.
The prime ministry of Turkey officially supported this campaign, and to be able to efficiently cope with this sort of crimes, their party in the national assembly gave a proposal to a commission responsible for "families and women welfare", to give way to such bans more easily and quicker.
The commission has to approve this to bring it to the attention of the grand assembly. Yet alone the Slashdot title "Turkish Assembly Votes For..."
This proposal has nothing to do with free speech. Turkey is now a mature democracy where no one can censor press or do something against free speech.
Its justice system attached to the European Laws. Anyone not happy with something in Turkey has the right to take the case to the European Court of Human Rights. Turkey has no option but to obey the ruling.
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What? In 1997? You probably meant 2007, and your link says 2007, too. Still, this is not the first such work. The first pioneering work was not done by University of Wisconsin or by Harvard. It was first published by a research group in Kyote, Japan in 2006: http://www.cell.com/content/article/abstract?uid=PIIS0092867406009767 Everyone in the stem cell research know that these guys are very likely to get the Nobel!
The Youtube closure was effective only for one day and the ban was due to a court decision. It was not invoked by the goverment or it wasn't an arbitrary decision. Youtube eventually apologized and removed the video. The other day, a group of young people in Turkey appealed against the ruling which they claimed to be against free speech, and eventually the court lifted the ban.
Like anywhere in Europe, courts have to give their verdict according to laws. Ataturk was the founder of modern Turkey, and as a tribute to his contributions and revolutionizing the country, the parliment long time ago issued a special penal code regarding insults to him etc., which is still effective. Turkey's justice system is attached to the European laws. It could never be a China or Russia. Any European/Turkish citizen has the right to bring something that he is not happy with to the attention of the European court of Human Rights (ECHR). All decisions have to be obeyed by Turkey. and if necessary, Turkey has to change its laws to abide the rulings of the European courts! (Google it!)
There is no any other case in which a web site was banned in Turkey. Even the ones supporting the Armenian genocide. I don't understand people who say "journalist were murdered because they supported the genocide claims" or "talking about the Armenian issue is a crime" etc... This is simply not true!
Halil Berktay (look in Wikipedia) is a well known Turkish historian who is supporting the Armenian Genocide. He was not convicted because of his academic studies/thoughts regarding this issue.
You are right, I would not believe any of the sources you provide. Because there can't be any source as to how many people want to be ruled by islamic rule in Turkey, and I assume this 20% is something you made up.
I agree that Article 301 must be axed. It is a shame for Turkey. But this discussion would be off topic now.
Whereas I stongly agree that there must be something in the penal code against web sites featuring child porn etc. so that quily people won't go away with their crimes.
I also wonder why your comments (no matter how bad they are :) ) always get a score of 2, while mines are 1? Any possibility that you are moderating this discussion? :)
Oh yes? And where did you get this information, if i can ask?
So you think more than half of the people who've voted for the current governtment want to be ruled by "Islamic rule"? This is ridiculous. "military wants european union"
Noone cares about what the military wants. The fact that most Turkish people want to join the EU is enough.
Military invasions in Turkey have done enough damage to the country. In fact, most of the resistance to join the EU came from the army in Turkey.
In all western democracies eventually courts decide if something is detrimental to children or not. In all western democracies there are such laws to protect the most vulnerable from the ill child-porn wes sites.
I don't think you are aware that there is no such thing as "current law in Turkey" about this, as you put it. If you read the news article carefully you'll see that it's only a proposition.
Yes it was Sabah who started the campaign: http://www.sabah.com.tr/ozel/temiz3571/dosya_3571. html (web page is in Turkish)
There is no place on Slashdot to attack individuals with words like "cut the crap". I provide my fact with links.
I am sorry then to tell you that, forget about the denial, even discussing of the Armenian massacre is something punishable in most European countries. http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/6434041.st m
In Turkey, however, people can still freely discuss the issue, whether they oppose or support the claim.
I was shocked when I followed the link in the /. summary to read the news on CNN to see how media can twist things to create "news".
A daily Turkish newspaper (www.sabah.com.tr) has been recently campaigning for "clean Internet" in Turkey to protect children being abused in the Internet, to prevent access to child-porn sites, to show no tolerance to those who put these materials on their web sites etc.
The prime ministry of Turkey officially supported this campaign, and to be able to efficiently cope with this sort of crimes, their party in the national assembly gave a proposal to a commission responsible for "families and women welfare", to give way to such bans more easily and quicker.
The commission has to approve this to bring it to the attention of the grand assembly. Yet alone the Slashdot title "Turkish Assembly Votes For..."
This proposal has nothing to do with free speech. Turkey is now a mature democracy where no one can censor press or do something against free speech.
Its justice system attached to the European Laws. Anyone not happy with something in Turkey has the right to take the case to the European Court of Human Rights. Turkey has no option but to obey the ruling.
"Go too fast, and the GPS connects to a violation reporting server and uploads your tracking number..."
Navigation systems work passively, or only in one-way: It receives data, but cannot upload data to satellites.
In the proposed mechnanism, mounted GPS systems are just like "black-boxes" in aeroplanes --something attached to car, which you can't remove easily.