20 minutes? You could just pick the one with the most downloads. The top 2, by far, are the Java and Java EE ones. Except for the one "promoted" edition, they are all sorted by popularity.
I never got this rage against Eclipse. Its a FOSS product. For a FOSS product, it provides a level of polish that goes well beyond the standards of a typical FOSS. It is one of the most complex projects out there. The standard distributions of Eclipse work quite well, out-of-the-box. Now, it has a very large ecosystem of complex plugins - at a level that is unmatched by other IDEs. Like with Firefox, some of these plugins do bog down Eclipse. But that's hardly the fault of Eclipse. I only seem to have problems with Eclipse when I keep one install and load all my plugins into it. When I separate it out (one for functional languages, one for dynamic ones, one for Java etc) to multiple, logical installs (it is a portable distro)... no problems. P2 provisioning (helps create multiple runtime profiles from the same plugin install base) worked quite well (haven't used it recently), but it is not promoted for some reason.
I don't use Visual Studio these days. I tried Python Tools a while ago though. It is funny watching MS reps talk as if it was they who brought code-completion to the unwashed Python masses. I was using code completion with Python in 2001. On Windows, I tended to use PyScripter - very light, but no IPython integration like Spyder.
For me, PyDev worked quite fine (I prefer Spyder myself). I tried PyCharm; it was nice; but surprisingly heavy. I generally dislike IntelliJ and Netbeans based IDEs on Linux because of the fonts. They are more tolerable elsewhere.
Must be:-). Despite having a much lower income, Indians splurge nearly the same amount on Fireworks on Diwali as Americans do on the 4th of July... nearly a Billion dollars per year, per country, with the Indian figure rapidly climbing as the economy improves. Wonder how much China burns through, since that is another fireworks culture.
> Americans have been using that "superior rocket technology" on the 4th of July; for a long time.
Meh, US is very young. "long time" can only mean so much for it. India's firework festival is called Diwali. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/... It goes back at least a couple of millennia.
Yes, after the British used the said Indian rockets on US in the War of 1812, so much so that the event was recorded in its national anthem. https://www.youtube.com/watch?...
> I'm sure one day, as a culture, they'll offer some insight no one has considered.
What one day? The very number system we are using, y'know, the decimal number system, with its zero and all, is Indian... not Indo-Arabic, just Indian. Without the decimal system, there wouldn't be any advanced math, not with the Roman numerals. Is that insight enough?
> It still appears that the worst thing India ever did in its bubbling history was to say "good by" to Alexander's Army.
"good by"(sic)? Alexander does not even appear in Indian history. He was almost a nobody for India. He barely knocked at its door, before turning back.
> And to this day, the curse of looking upon Alex's rear end has not gone away. India remains a culture that peaked over 3600 years ago.
India was quite prosperous, richest in fact, right until 300 years ago. As far as this ISRO bit, India had superior rocket technology right until 120 years ago. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/... India's downtime will be a mere blip in the annals of history.
> Everyone was growing and eating their own food, including peasantry in India.
That's a rather naive understanding of history. Indians were trading with the West for millinea, with spices, gold and gem stones. That was the whole point behind the accidental, and even an unwanted discovery of Americas (seen as a block in the route for centuries) by Europe, because the Arabs blocked land trade routes.
Yes, everyone was growing their own food because shipping was not at all reliable for managing food on stormy sea lanes. But the ancient world was doing plenty of trading for lighter materials and luxuries.
> What 'statistic', if you look at 'statistics', India is lower than Sweden. Yeah, that Sweden, where a condom breaking during consensual sex is a 'rape'.
True. There is no uniform definition of rape, which makes comparisons difficult. Sweden definition is indeed absurd. And no, I am not arguing that it is better to be a woman in India than in Sweden. I am however arguing that the status of women in India is no different than women in countries with similar socio-economic development.
> In India rape isn't 'underreported', it is a part of the culture. Rape is not reported in the jungle, it is the way of life.
Hogwash. You are speaking from a superficial understanding based on press reports with little understanding of India. There is no codified cultural support for rape, apart from being a patriarchal society from still being an agrarian culture. If there was, Indians would not have raucously shut down the capital for weeks in response for a rape. That's the story. Not the rape. What is the strongest response of the US civil society for its worst rape case? The few rural bumpkins who rape in India are no more representative of India, than are gang bangers in ghettos representative of US.
> Actually India receives a lot of financial aid (Hundreds of millions of pounds every year)
"Hundreds of millions" is a "peanut" as the Indian finance minister put it and said India does not want it. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/new... Millions are nothing in terms of national budgets. US aid of $91m to India (2014) is less than roughly 0.005% of India's GDP (>$2T nominal). Most of it is used to exert influence via NGOs, not actually help the poor. UK does more, but is equally inconsequential... and unwelcome. The idea that India is running on the charity of the West is absurd and laughable.
> some of the worst poverty in the world
It's PPP GDP is $8T, almost half of US. India is like European Union. Different states, run semi-independently with different policies, and very different economies co-exist. There are states in India with sub-saharan development, while others produce elite that can almost rival US/European work force. The idea that any country should stunt the productivity of its most productive citizens, because the development is uneven is also silly. You have people who can understand nuclear physics and then you have people who have trouble learning to read and can only do subsistence agriculture. You let everyone do what they can for the country (what do you suggest? - that the state should decide what people should pursue? Sounds like communism). Pouring money into places without the foundations to absorb it is a waste of resources. It was already tried in India and lessons were learnt. Development is a slow, generational process - you increase education, gradually in each generation, and people will take care of everything automatically. You can't instantly install it with money. If you could, Iraq and Afghanistan would have been Israel by now.
> polishing your Porsche whilst your kids are starving to death
Also uninformed is the notion that Indian space program is a vanity project, it isn't, its state capitalism. With the launch vehicle, India has declared its capability to provide launch services in *every* segment of the launch market... and it can do so for much cheaper than *everyone* else. ISRO is Bangalore... for SPACE. It has already been making a profit for a while now. This is how India earns money, to fund welfare for its poor states. Its best resource is inexpensive knowledge workforce, not oil. That should be admired, not criticized.
> India was a fucking jungle before the white man colonized it
India had roughly 29% of world GDP before colonialism. It was 3% after colonialism ended. Without colonialism, India would have industrialized earlier, perhaps after Japan (which almost ended up in China's position with the Black Ship episode, but got its reprieve with US civil war).
> How far ahead has it gotten for the 60 years of independence?
Quite a bit actually. The development indices were quite stagnant while the British were in India. Every one of them shot up after they left. Obviously there is still ground to be covered.
> Have you stopped gang-raping your women already? No? How come?
Show me one statistic that says rape in India is higher per 100K, than it is in US or elsewhere. It isn't, even if you account for high under-reporting. The press had its fun highlighting anecdotes, but failed to make a scholarly case. Rape is a problem everywhere. The claim that India is a special case cannot *statistically* be made.
You need to put that in context of the size of India's economy. Most of that "aid" is about buying influence via NGOs. India says that it does NOT want aid and calls it "peanuts".
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/new... "Indian ministers tried to terminate Britain’s aid to their booming country last year - but relented after the British begged them to keep taking the money" "We do not require the aid. It is a peanut in our total development spending."
US aid to India is even smaller - about a third to a sixth.
India does not do its space program for pride reasons. Its control room is rather unglamorous. Its space program already turns a profit, as an outsourcing entity. I read during the Mars Orbiter news that ISRO can hire rocket scientists for as low as $12K (that's cheaper than Indian software engineers who work for multinationals in India, although as government jobs, they probably have better long-term benefits and job security). It can be a LOT cheaper for ISRO to develop a space program than it costs NASA. India has some unique properties. Its manufacturing is underdeveloped, but its knowledge economy is far more advanced than its per capita figures would normally allow it to be. ISRO is perhaps simply taking advantage of that.
> because at this point, with the number of competitors, I don't believe it.
There aren't that many competitors and India is already deep in the fray in the standard launch market (it is not a hypothetical). This vehicle allows it to enter the heavier launch market that eluded it so far. I can see India dominating the launch market to the same extent that it does with the software labor market... on cost propositions for routine, straight-forward work (its Mars mission was the cheapest inter-planetary mission ever - $70m). Comparing costs does not work.
Was the world doing Mars missions in the 60s? India's space program makes money for the country. Think of it as one way to fund those municipal services you speak of. It was not done for bragging rights. India has already positioned itself as the outsourcing destination for satellite launches. The one capability it lacked was the launch of heavy satellites. That is fixed now and it can compete with European launch markets.
> It was clearly a load of Bat Guano to claim that all 60 were principals who researched and wrote the article.
You are missing the point. Its that authorship credits should not be just limited to just the principals. You haven't seen the article about the one with 5154 authors?
> "climate science" has been so discredited that it will no longer be possible to convince people this is the case.
Climate Science is only "discredited" in US. Its non-controversial science for the rest of the world. US citizens have *by far*, the largest carbon foot prints per capita - current and historical. So it is only natural for them to be in eager denial. If it wasn't this, they will look for something else to discredit inconvenient facts.
So? During the era of crusades, for several centuries, the same could be said of Christianity. It did eventually reform. I am arguing against lumping societies that have distinct cultures, solely based on religion. They are not all the same within. Would you lump Kurds and the rest of Iraqis as culturally same today?
Passing judgment on cultures, on any single descriptor, especially without taking into account their economic stage of development, is in my view... naive. One cannot judge societies, by the standards of the modern era, when they have not had the opportunity of a modern education, by reasons of poverty.
Additionally, Bangladesh was set back by more than a generation, when its intellectual class, of which it used to be proud of, was selectively butchered during its freedom struggle. These are complex matters that cannot be reduced to one word.
Sure, the juntas tried to hide behind religion as usual when they usurped power.
> And what the constitution calls for is moot when they have Jihadi parties campaigning to make Bangladesh an active center of Jihadist activity
They don't have Jihadist parties AFAIK. They have Islamist parties. Naturally, they want Bangladesh to be Islamic. That is not the same as "campaigning to make Bangladesh an active center of Jihadist activity".
Many western countries also have parties that campaign to make the respective countries Christian countries. Party lines do not have precedence over what the constitution says.
Allowing to keep the state religion is a more valid point.
> hint: it's in Bangladesh, there is no First Amendment there
Bangladesh is a secular country. It was declared an Islamic state when under military dictatorship. That was repealed later. From Wikipedia: "As part of a series of rulings following from the February Supreme Court ruling, on 4 October 2010 the High Court ruled that Bangladesh is a secular state".
It's law is not what is at fault. It is in part because of the general lawlessness that comes from being a poor country. Culturally, Bengalis are not a fundamentalist lot. For millinea, and only until a few centuries ago, the greater Bengal area was one of the most prosperous centers of civilization. It was left behind by industrial and colonial eras.
What can I say to that? You are completely ignorant of what India is... because you read anecdotal articles that fit the narrative of the day, from a distance, without any statistical understanding and of the stages of economic development that every country must pass through. US did have to go through Wild West era, genocidal Indian wars, slave era and the gangster era in its earlier stages.
Indian culture is fluid, ever-evolving and is not doctrinaire... comes with being "heathen".
Yes, Indian rural culture is not good to women from a modern standpoint... as is the case with all agrarian cultures. Do Pakistani and Afghan rurals treat their women any better? All will change as they stop being agrarian, as the economy moves forward. It does not even need to change. It will just be replaced.
Most of the rape cases are when rural bumpkins are uprooted from their traditional environments with their own checks, and placed into urban environments where they do not fit. If you look back to US and European early industrial immigration, you will find similar chaos there - crime, child abuse, exploitation etc. It is irritating to watch an ignorant citizen of a developed country, with no historical context, act as if the current system of values magically appeared... as if culture and economics are not inter-connected - pretending to be somehow innately superior.
Indian middle class culture engages women quite well. For instance, women are more than 50% of the engineering work force in India. Compare that to US. India had plenty of strong women political leaders.
In my view, "heathen" is a compliment. Indian spiritual philosophical thought, is much richer, very open-ended and more nuanced than the doctrinaire abrahamic thought.
> A bigger problem in India is, getting raped at the police station for reporting rape.
This is precisely what I am arguing against... anecdotal case building. How can you say that this is a "bigger" problem without any basis in statistics? What is the rate of police station rape per 100K? Would you say that US has a police assassination problem because you saw one article on how a fleeing unarmed black man was gunned down in cold blood?
Indian justice system is indeed slow. Indian police are indeed under-trained. But what do you expect from a poor country? Do you expect the cases to move as quickly as in US or Europe? Is the Indian court system any slower or less fair than its neighbors or other countries with similar development indices? Argue with statistics please.
> In developed nations, at least the victims can reasonably expect the justice and enforcement systems to handle the case and bring about closure.
Right, so the problem is economic development... not a special cultural problem in India. This inappropriate comparison of developing countries with developed countries is precisely what I am arguing against. When India's per capita income reaches US or European levels, it too will have similar law enforcement.
> Because India does not have a working justice and enforcement system, there is brazen corruption.
Which countries with Indian per capita income have non-corrupt police forces?
> People are not afraid to commit crime.
You can't make general statements like that. Indian murder rate is lower than US murder rate, despite poor law enforcement.
> Mafia is strong because people go to them to settle scores, since the real justice and enforcement systems are dysfunctional.
Mafias exist in all large cities with poor populations. Is Mumbai law enforcement worse than say, Karachi law enforcement?
If you search for stats, rather than anecdotal articles, you will get an even better idea.
No one disputes that some awful things can happen in a country of 1.2 Billion people, with still weak institutions, given that its per capita income is still low. But judging India by a few articles like these is like judging US by what happens in its ghettos and prisons.
> to much opposition from those around him and not support.
Unlikely. If you look at ancient Hindu temples and sculpture, you will see that it was normal to consider these things as a natural part of life. Current Indian conservatives have more in common with Victorian mores than with the morality of ancient India. By all accounts, ancient Indians were very open-minded in these matters. Modern Indians perhaps still are, when adjusted for the development indices. A person in India making $1K is probably much more open-minded than an average person making $1K elsewhere. It would be silly to compare that person to a $40K American/European though.
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20 minutes? You could just pick the one with the most downloads. The top 2, by far, are the Java and Java EE ones. Except for the one "promoted" edition, they are all sorted by popularity.
Well, its not just Java Devs. Xamarin and Appmethod are also doing this subscription model. That covers all major RAD tool languages.
> and the clusterfuck that was Eclipse
I never got this rage against Eclipse. Its a FOSS product. For a FOSS product, it provides a level of polish that goes well beyond the standards of a typical FOSS. It is one of the most complex projects out there. The standard distributions of Eclipse work quite well, out-of-the-box. Now, it has a very large ecosystem of complex plugins - at a level that is unmatched by other IDEs. Like with Firefox, some of these plugins do bog down Eclipse. But that's hardly the fault of Eclipse. I only seem to have problems with Eclipse when I keep one install and load all my plugins into it. When I separate it out (one for functional languages, one for dynamic ones, one for Java etc) to multiple, logical installs (it is a portable distro)... no problems. P2 provisioning (helps create multiple runtime profiles from the same plugin install base) worked quite well (haven't used it recently), but it is not promoted for some reason.
I don't use Visual Studio these days. I tried Python Tools a while ago though. It is funny watching MS reps talk as if it was they who brought code-completion to the unwashed Python masses. I was using code completion with Python in 2001. On Windows, I tended to use PyScripter - very light, but no IPython integration like Spyder.
For me, PyDev worked quite fine (I prefer Spyder myself). I tried PyCharm; it was nice; but surprisingly heavy. I generally dislike IntelliJ and Netbeans based IDEs on Linux because of the fonts. They are more tolerable elsewhere.
Must be :-). Despite having a much lower income, Indians splurge nearly the same amount on Fireworks on Diwali as Americans do on the 4th of July... nearly a Billion dollars per year, per country, with the Indian figure rapidly climbing as the economy improves. Wonder how much China burns through, since that is another fireworks culture.
> Americans have been using that "superior rocket technology" on the 4th of July; for a long time.
Meh, US is very young. "long time" can only mean so much for it. India's firework festival is called Diwali.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...
It goes back at least a couple of millennia.
Yes, after the British used the said Indian rockets on US in the War of 1812, so much so that the event was recorded in its national anthem.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?...
PS: I should have said 215 years ago.
> because the rich-poor divide is even wider in India than it is in other nations
India's Gini index is the same as that of Switzerland & Canada and better than US & UK.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...
http://data.worldbank.org/indi...
Argue with numbers please, not your prejudices and cliches.
> I'm sure one day, as a culture, they'll offer some insight no one has considered.
What one day? The very number system we are using, y'know, the decimal number system, with its zero and all, is Indian... not Indo-Arabic, just Indian. Without the decimal system, there wouldn't be any advanced math, not with the Roman numerals. Is that insight enough?
> It still appears that the worst thing India ever did in its bubbling history was to say "good by" to Alexander's Army.
"good by"(sic)? Alexander does not even appear in Indian history. He was almost a nobody for India. He barely knocked at its door, before turning back.
> And to this day, the curse of looking upon Alex's rear end has not gone away. India remains a culture that peaked over 3600 years ago.
India was quite prosperous, richest in fact, right until 300 years ago. As far as this ISRO bit, India had superior rocket technology right until 120 years ago.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...
India's downtime will be a mere blip in the annals of history.
> There was no 'GDP' before the advent of modern economy from the West.
You can say the same about History. That does not mean that we cannot look into the past beyond the origin of its current method.
There is an entire field of study, Quantitative Macroeconomic History, that estimates historical GDPs. Angus Madison did pioneering work in the area
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...
> Everyone was growing and eating their own food, including peasantry in India.
That's a rather naive understanding of history. Indians were trading with the West for millinea, with spices, gold and gem stones. That was the whole point behind the accidental, and even an unwanted discovery of Americas (seen as a block in the route for centuries) by Europe, because the Arabs blocked land trade routes.
Yes, everyone was growing their own food because shipping was not at all reliable for managing food on stormy sea lanes. But the ancient world was doing plenty of trading for lighter materials and luxuries.
> What 'statistic', if you look at 'statistics', India is lower than Sweden. Yeah, that Sweden, where a condom breaking during consensual sex is a 'rape'.
True. There is no uniform definition of rape, which makes comparisons difficult. Sweden definition is indeed absurd. And no, I am not arguing that it is better to be a woman in India than in Sweden. I am however arguing that the status of women in India is no different than women in countries with similar socio-economic development.
> In India rape isn't 'underreported', it is a part of the culture. Rape is not reported in the jungle, it is the way of life.
Hogwash. You are speaking from a superficial understanding based on press reports with little understanding of India. There is no codified cultural support for rape, apart from being a patriarchal society from still being an agrarian culture. If there was, Indians would not have raucously shut down the capital for weeks in response for a rape. That's the story. Not the rape. What is the strongest response of the US civil society for its worst rape case? The few rural bumpkins who rape in India are no more representative of India, than are gang bangers in ghettos representative of US.
> Actually India receives a lot of financial aid (Hundreds of millions of pounds every year)
"Hundreds of millions" is a "peanut" as the Indian finance minister put it and said India does not want it.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/new...
Millions are nothing in terms of national budgets. US aid of $91m to India (2014) is less than roughly 0.005% of India's GDP (>$2T nominal). Most of it is used to exert influence via NGOs, not actually help the poor. UK does more, but is equally inconsequential... and unwelcome. The idea that India is running on the charity of the West is absurd and laughable.
> some of the worst poverty in the world
It's PPP GDP is $8T, almost half of US. India is like European Union. Different states, run semi-independently with different policies, and very different economies co-exist. There are states in India with sub-saharan development, while others produce elite that can almost rival US/European work force. The idea that any country should stunt the productivity of its most productive citizens, because the development is uneven is also silly. You have people who can understand nuclear physics and then you have people who have trouble learning to read and can only do subsistence agriculture. You let everyone do what they can for the country (what do you suggest? - that the state should decide what people should pursue? Sounds like communism). Pouring money into places without the foundations to absorb it is a waste of resources. It was already tried in India and lessons were learnt. Development is a slow, generational process - you increase education, gradually in each generation, and people will take care of everything automatically. You can't instantly install it with money. If you could, Iraq and Afghanistan would have been Israel by now.
> polishing your Porsche whilst your kids are starving to death
Also uninformed is the notion that Indian space program is a vanity project, it isn't, its state capitalism. With the launch vehicle, India has declared its capability to provide launch services in *every* segment of the launch market... and it can do so for much cheaper than *everyone* else. ISRO is Bangalore... for SPACE. It has already been making a profit for a while now. This is how India earns money, to fund welfare for its poor states. Its best resource is inexpensive knowledge workforce, not oil. That should be admired, not criticized.
> There are also 150M+ Christians, and 125M+ Muslims living in India
You don't have the correct numbers. Its 177M Muslims and 27.8M Christians.
> India was a fucking jungle before the white man colonized it
India had roughly 29% of world GDP before colonialism. It was 3% after colonialism ended. Without colonialism, India would have industrialized earlier, perhaps after Japan (which almost ended up in China's position with the Black Ship episode, but got its reprieve with US civil war).
> How far ahead has it gotten for the 60 years of independence?
Quite a bit actually. The development indices were quite stagnant while the British were in India. Every one of them shot up after they left. Obviously there is still ground to be covered.
> Have you stopped gang-raping your women already? No? How come?
Show me one statistic that says rape in India is higher per 100K, than it is in US or elsewhere. It isn't, even if you account for high under-reporting. The press had its fun highlighting anecdotes, but failed to make a scholarly case. Rape is a problem everywhere. The claim that India is a special case cannot *statistically* be made.
Wally, is that you?
You need to put that in context of the size of India's economy. Most of that "aid" is about buying influence via NGOs. India says that it does NOT want aid and calls it "peanuts".
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/new...
"Indian ministers tried to terminate Britain’s aid to their booming country last year - but relented after the British begged them to keep taking the money"
"We do not require the aid. It is a peanut in our total development spending."
US aid to India is even smaller - about a third to a sixth.
India does not do its space program for pride reasons. Its control room is rather unglamorous. Its space program already turns a profit, as an outsourcing entity. I read during the Mars Orbiter news that ISRO can hire rocket scientists for as low as $12K (that's cheaper than Indian software engineers who work for multinationals in India, although as government jobs, they probably have better long-term benefits and job security). It can be a LOT cheaper for ISRO to develop a space program than it costs NASA. India has some unique properties. Its manufacturing is underdeveloped, but its knowledge economy is far more advanced than its per capita figures would normally allow it to be. ISRO is perhaps simply taking advantage of that.
> because at this point, with the number of competitors, I don't believe it.
There aren't that many competitors and India is already deep in the fray in the standard launch market (it is not a hypothetical). This vehicle allows it to enter the heavier launch market that eluded it so far. I can see India dominating the launch market to the same extent that it does with the software labor market... on cost propositions for routine, straight-forward work (its Mars mission was the cheapest inter-planetary mission ever - $70m). Comparing costs does not work.
Was the world doing Mars missions in the 60s? India's space program makes money for the country. Think of it as one way to fund those municipal services you speak of. It was not done for bragging rights. India has already positioned itself as the outsourcing destination for satellite launches. The one capability it lacked was the launch of heavy satellites. That is fixed now and it can compete with European launch markets.
> It was clearly a load of Bat Guano to claim that all 60 were principals who researched and wrote the article.
You are missing the point. Its that authorship credits should not be just limited to just the principals. You haven't seen the article about the one with 5154 authors?
http://science.slashdot.org/st...
You better have a lot of valid arguments before dissing one of the top journals in the world (not an opinion - going by impact factor).
> "climate science" has been so discredited that it will no longer be possible to convince people this is the case.
Climate Science is only "discredited" in US. Its non-controversial science for the rest of the world. US citizens have *by far*, the largest carbon foot prints per capita - current and historical. So it is only natural for them to be in eager denial. If it wasn't this, they will look for something else to discredit inconvenient facts.
So? During the era of crusades, for several centuries, the same could be said of Christianity. It did eventually reform. I am arguing against lumping societies that have distinct cultures, solely based on religion. They are not all the same within. Would you lump Kurds and the rest of Iraqis as culturally same today?
Passing judgment on cultures, on any single descriptor, especially without taking into account their economic stage of development, is in my view... naive. One cannot judge societies, by the standards of the modern era, when they have not had the opportunity of a modern education, by reasons of poverty.
Additionally, Bangladesh was set back by more than a generation, when its intellectual class, of which it used to be proud of, was selectively butchered during its freedom struggle. These are complex matters that cannot be reduced to one word.
Sure, the juntas tried to hide behind religion as usual when they usurped power.
> And what the constitution calls for is moot when they have Jihadi parties campaigning to make Bangladesh an active center of Jihadist activity
They don't have Jihadist parties AFAIK. They have Islamist parties. Naturally, they want Bangladesh to be Islamic. That is not the same as "campaigning to make Bangladesh an active center of Jihadist activity".
Many western countries also have parties that campaign to make the respective countries Christian countries. Party lines do not have precedence over what the constitution says.
Allowing to keep the state religion is a more valid point.
> hint: it's in Bangladesh, there is no First Amendment there
Bangladesh is a secular country. It was declared an Islamic state when under military dictatorship. That was repealed later. From Wikipedia: "As part of a series of rulings following from the February Supreme Court ruling, on 4 October 2010 the High Court ruled that Bangladesh is a secular state".
It's law is not what is at fault. It is in part because of the general lawlessness that comes from being a poor country. Culturally, Bengalis are not a fundamentalist lot. For millinea, and only until a few centuries ago, the greater Bengal area was one of the most prosperous centers of civilization. It was left behind by industrial and colonial eras.
What can I say to that? You are completely ignorant of what India is... because you read anecdotal articles that fit the narrative of the day, from a distance, without any statistical understanding and of the stages of economic development that every country must pass through. US did have to go through Wild West era, genocidal Indian wars, slave era and the gangster era in its earlier stages.
Indian culture is fluid, ever-evolving and is not doctrinaire... comes with being "heathen".
Yes, Indian rural culture is not good to women from a modern standpoint... as is the case with all agrarian cultures. Do Pakistani and Afghan rurals treat their women any better? All will change as they stop being agrarian, as the economy moves forward. It does not even need to change. It will just be replaced.
Most of the rape cases are when rural bumpkins are uprooted from their traditional environments with their own checks, and placed into urban environments where they do not fit. If you look back to US and European early industrial immigration, you will find similar chaos there - crime, child abuse, exploitation etc. It is irritating to watch an ignorant citizen of a developed country, with no historical context, act as if the current system of values magically appeared... as if culture and economics are not inter-connected - pretending to be somehow innately superior.
Indian middle class culture engages women quite well. For instance, women are more than 50% of the engineering work force in India. Compare that to US. India had plenty of strong women political leaders.
In my view, "heathen" is a compliment. Indian spiritual philosophical thought, is much richer, very open-ended and more nuanced than the doctrinaire abrahamic thought.
> A bigger problem in India is, getting raped at the police station for reporting rape.
This is precisely what I am arguing against... anecdotal case building. How can you say that this is a "bigger" problem without any basis in statistics? What is the rate of police station rape per 100K? Would you say that US has a police assassination problem because you saw one article on how a fleeing unarmed black man was gunned down in cold blood?
Indian justice system is indeed slow. Indian police are indeed under-trained. But what do you expect from a poor country? Do you expect the cases to move as quickly as in US or Europe? Is the Indian court system any slower or less fair than its neighbors or other countries with similar development indices? Argue with statistics please.
> In developed nations, at least the victims can reasonably expect the justice and enforcement systems to handle the case and bring about closure.
Right, so the problem is economic development... not a special cultural problem in India. This inappropriate comparison of developing countries with developed countries is precisely what I am arguing against. When India's per capita income reaches US or European levels, it too will have similar law enforcement.
> Because India does not have a working justice and enforcement system, there is brazen corruption.
Which countries with Indian per capita income have non-corrupt police forces?
> People are not afraid to commit crime.
You can't make general statements like that. Indian murder rate is lower than US murder rate, despite poor law enforcement.
> Mafia is strong because people go to them to settle scores, since the real justice and enforcement systems are dysfunctional.
Mafias exist in all large cities with poor populations. Is Mumbai law enforcement worse than say, Karachi law enforcement?
If you search for stats, rather than anecdotal articles, you will get an even better idea.
No one disputes that some awful things can happen in a country of 1.2 Billion people, with still weak institutions, given that its per capita income is still low. But judging India by a few articles like these is like judging US by what happens in its ghettos and prisons.
> to much opposition from those around him and not support.
Unlikely. If you look at ancient Hindu temples and sculpture, you will see that it was normal to consider these things as a natural part of life. Current Indian conservatives have more in common with Victorian mores than with the morality of ancient India. By all accounts, ancient Indians were very open-minded in these matters. Modern Indians perhaps still are, when adjusted for the development indices. A person in India making $1K is probably much more open-minded than an average person making $1K elsewhere. It would be silly to compare that person to a $40K American/European though.