Comprehensive is having everything you need in one package, a monopoly is not allowing anyone to provide replacements for parts of that package.
If Microsoft were to make it so ONLY their antivirus would be able to work, then we'd have a problem. Otherwise most people will still use 3rd party software because a company that only makes security products will probably do a better job.
I do not think we should automatically exclude free/open source software from our analysis simply because it is produced by teams of programmers working for nothing, and the fact that it is given away does not, of itself, provide legal immunity.
I do, at least to the full extent of the law.
Expecting anything from someone who gave you free/free software isn't reasonable. The fact is, the licenses are there not only to save the developers necks but also to serve as a warning. When something says "AS IS" that means exactly what it says. You take it as it is, faults and all. There is no trickery involved. Nobody tried to sell you a lemon.
Writing error-free code IS impossible because there is no possible way to enumerate all the potential hazards that face the software. In a bubble, on a clean install, software can behave "perfect". Once you let it out into the real world where people have literally an endless number of different conditions on their computers, it's simply not realistic. If the operating system has a single flaw, then the software is inherently flawed as well. We all know about Windows' track record of buginess and of course all OS suffer from bugs. That doesn't mean the developer or corporation is trying to get by with it (well maybe some). It just means that "to err is human".
The way I see it, free software (as in freedom) is a community effort. If it doesn't work, it is just as much as your responsibility to fix it, by contributing either time or money. If you won't help fix it then you are as much to blame as anybody. I guess that sounds harsh but I'm really tired of seeing everyone passing the buck to someone else, especially to the people that are trying to help society by providing possibly useful or entertaining software. These developers are doing us a favor. They don't have to write software for us and we don't have to use it. Expecting anything more than that is absurd.
Are you serious? Can you not understand the difference between the words "how" and "who"?
The question was "HOW am I hurting them", not "who". I know they look close to the same words but give me a break here...you even quoted "Tell me how..." in your reply.
You are hurting the artist, the employees of the company with whom the artist signed the contract, and the stockholders of that company.
I said "tell me how I am hurting them". Not, "repeat your previous statements in different words". Please tell me what damage I am causing to the artists/employees/stockholders by downloading a song that I would never pay for.
Since you don't seem capable of doing this on your own, let's weigh the two choices.
1. Nobody gets any money from me and I listen to the song.
2. Nobody gets any money from me and I don't listen to the song.
As you can see, both choices lead to nobody getting money from me. The only difference is that with one choice I get to enjoy the song. In the end it makes no difference to the artists/employees/stockholders because with both choices they get nothing. There is no loss of sales because there never would have been a sale. If you want to get really nitpicky, I am helping the band because I am increasing their mindshare. The next time I see somebody I can say "oh this band is good, you should listen to songs X, Y and Z". Who knows, they might go out and buy that album just because I told them it's good. That's how I started liking most of the bands I listen to, someone else introducing them to me.
You act like everyone is a theif (are you sure you don't work for the **AA). I guess you forgot that "P2Pers" are only a minority of the actual media consumers. Most people are either not computer literate enough or too morally objectionable to commit piracy. Also, most pirates don't steal everything. Most, like myself, have a limited income and can't afford to see every movie, play every game and buy every album. I pay for what I like best and what I can afford. The rest, I get for free. If there was no piracy, that wouldn't force me to start buying everything. It would force me to stop seeing movies that I would never pay to see. Tell me how I am hurting anybody by downloading a song that I would NEVER pay for. You can't because there is no way to twist reality enough to say that I am.
BESIDES, the act of piracy is not even the issue. This whole thing revolves around paying customers getting a crippled product. Do you really think pirates care about TPM? Of course not! Pirate downloads don't have TPM! The problem is that I can get a superior product for free but if I pay hard earned money I get screwed up the ass. If you can see or hear it, you can record it. No amount of DRM/TPM will EVER prevent piracy. Even if the pirates have to start setting up video cameras in front of their TV and microphones in front of their stereos, it will be done. That's not even considering the people on the inside that release DVD screeners, workprints, etc.
This reminds me about the drug war, not to muddle the issues, but it serves as a good analogy. The government seizes drug shipments, which in turn raises the street value, which in turn makes it more profitable to smuggle drugs. The same can be said of pirates, the more TPM you throw at them, the more rewarding it is to overcome it.
The answer is to do away with all this DRM/TPM crap. It serves no purpose. The movies/music/games are already out there on the internet and it will stay that way. Using TPM is like trying to lock the bank vault after the robbers have stolen all the money. Stop pissing off the paying customers for the sake of the non-paying customers. It's pretty simple.
when you can digitally copy things fast and losslessly
I don't know where you get your movies from but every one I download has part of the screen missing/blocked, someone's head in the way, babies crying, people walking around and the audio sounds it was recorded in a tin can.
Come up with a TPM that stops people from copying and distributing a work more than "fair use"
Haha, the hard part of that challange is a TPM that actually stops people from copying and distributing...hasn't been done yet!
Put more clearly, if people keep hacking music, video, and software soon it will be fiscally irresponsible for companies like SONY to sign ( insert your favorite garage band here ) to any kind of record deal at all.
Bullshit, Sony will keep pumping out records even if they only make 5 million instead of 10 million per album. Want to know why? Because 5 million is a lot better than NOTHING.
I'd like to know where you get your statistics from. Unless you are gay and also speaking for your gay friends.
Ignoring your obvious lack of facts, just because a certain group majority tends to like something doesn't mean it's "for" that group. Ikea put out a commercial showing two gay men shopping for furniture. That's not trying to promote their furniture for gays. That's showing that they have a progressive view of things and that their furniture is for everyone. Of course gay people took kindly to that show of acceptance and in turn it strengthened their opinion of Ikea positively.
For your sake I hope it was a troll. If you didn't intend your remarks to be inflammatory then you are just plain ignorant. So if I were you, I would stick with it being a troll. No wait, if I were you I'd kill myself (outside) and stop stinking up my mommy's basement.
Nice troll, but I think you meant 'everywhere' not 'everyone'.
But I really don't get what they mean by the 'Ikea of databases'. Does that mean it is over priced, stupid looking and meant for people with more dollars than cents?
Are you questioning whether or not you heard this?
Yes, exactly. I'm glad that you are so brilliant as to figure that out. I was questioning it because I am not sure if that is what I heard. Seems like I did but I'm not sure, hence the question mark. If someone could confirm the fact that they heard the same thing then that would probably mean I was correct.
Maybe that someone should've been you, seeing as how you're so keen on it.
Maybe you should shut the fuck up and stop trying to be a smartass. I don't remember the posts so therefore I can't provide the links. Someone else might read it, remember and be able to provide those links. If not then oh well, no need to be a jackass about it.
I seem to remember seeing a/. post about some OSS projects getting screwed because companies are using/modifying the code but not releasing it, only using it for services. To that end I also heard that GPL3 plans to fix this? Maybe someone can post actual links to the relevant posts.
I repeat: They aren't the owner, neither is Sourcefire, Martin Roesch is. According to the FAQ, they are buying the Sourcefire company, not his copyright.
...the RIAA has filed a lawsuit against the father's testicles for "willful neglect" by spawning copyright infringers. In what could be the most lenient interpretation of the Grokster decision, a judge has allowed the RIAA to pursue further based on claims that the father's testicles were responsible for discoruging the illegal acts commited by their offspring. The announcement came as both a shock and an outrage to the defense team and the defendent who was heard to remark, "I'd give my left nut to get this ruling overturned."
Yea, it's a troll, big whoop, wanna fight about it?
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OS X comes with iTunes yet there is no foul play there...
Comprehensive is having everything you need in one package, a monopoly is not allowing anyone to provide replacements for parts of that package.
If Microsoft were to make it so ONLY their antivirus would be able to work, then we'd have a problem. Otherwise most people will still use 3rd party software because a company that only makes security products will probably do a better job.
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I do not think we should automatically exclude free/open source software from our analysis simply because it is produced by teams of programmers working for nothing, and the fact that it is given away does not, of itself, provide legal immunity.
I do, at least to the full extent of the law.
Expecting anything from someone who gave you free/free software isn't reasonable. The fact is, the licenses are there not only to save the developers necks but also to serve as a warning. When something says "AS IS" that means exactly what it says. You take it as it is, faults and all. There is no trickery involved. Nobody tried to sell you a lemon.
Writing error-free code IS impossible because there is no possible way to enumerate all the potential hazards that face the software. In a bubble, on a clean install, software can behave "perfect". Once you let it out into the real world where people have literally an endless number of different conditions on their computers, it's simply not realistic. If the operating system has a single flaw, then the software is inherently flawed as well. We all know about Windows' track record of buginess and of course all OS suffer from bugs. That doesn't mean the developer or corporation is trying to get by with it (well maybe some). It just means that "to err is human".
The way I see it, free software (as in freedom) is a community effort. If it doesn't work, it is just as much as your responsibility to fix it, by contributing either time or money. If you won't help fix it then you are as much to blame as anybody. I guess that sounds harsh but I'm really tired of seeing everyone passing the buck to someone else, especially to the people that are trying to help society by providing possibly useful or entertaining software. These developers are doing us a favor. They don't have to write software for us and we don't have to use it. Expecting anything more than that is absurd.
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Are you serious? Can you not understand the difference between the words "how" and "who"?
The question was "HOW am I hurting them", not "who". I know they look close to the same words but give me a break here...you even quoted "Tell me how..." in your reply.
IBM gave me mono... gross!
Yea, that's what I thought, more double talk and no answer as to telling me what harm I am causing. Ok I'm done with you. Have a nice life...
You are hurting the artist, the employees of the company with whom the artist signed the contract, and the stockholders of that company.
I said "tell me how I am hurting them". Not, "repeat your previous statements in different words". Please tell me what damage I am causing to the artists/employees/stockholders by downloading a song that I would never pay for.
Since you don't seem capable of doing this on your own, let's weigh the two choices.
1. Nobody gets any money from me and I listen to the song.
2. Nobody gets any money from me and I don't listen to the song.
As you can see, both choices lead to nobody getting money from me. The only difference is that with one choice I get to enjoy the song. In the end it makes no difference to the artists/employees/stockholders because with both choices they get nothing. There is no loss of sales because there never would have been a sale. If you want to get really nitpicky, I am helping the band because I am increasing their mindshare. The next time I see somebody I can say "oh this band is good, you should listen to songs X, Y and Z". Who knows, they might go out and buy that album just because I told them it's good. That's how I started liking most of the bands I listen to, someone else introducing them to me.
You act like everyone is a theif (are you sure you don't work for the **AA). I guess you forgot that "P2Pers" are only a minority of the actual media consumers. Most people are either not computer literate enough or too morally objectionable to commit piracy. Also, most pirates don't steal everything. Most, like myself, have a limited income and can't afford to see every movie, play every game and buy every album. I pay for what I like best and what I can afford. The rest, I get for free. If there was no piracy, that wouldn't force me to start buying everything. It would force me to stop seeing movies that I would never pay to see. Tell me how I am hurting anybody by downloading a song that I would NEVER pay for. You can't because there is no way to twist reality enough to say that I am.
BESIDES, the act of piracy is not even the issue. This whole thing revolves around paying customers getting a crippled product. Do you really think pirates care about TPM? Of course not! Pirate downloads don't have TPM! The problem is that I can get a superior product for free but if I pay hard earned money I get screwed up the ass. If you can see or hear it, you can record it. No amount of DRM/TPM will EVER prevent piracy. Even if the pirates have to start setting up video cameras in front of their TV and microphones in front of their stereos, it will be done. That's not even considering the people on the inside that release DVD screeners, workprints, etc.
This reminds me about the drug war, not to muddle the issues, but it serves as a good analogy. The government seizes drug shipments, which in turn raises the street value, which in turn makes it more profitable to smuggle drugs. The same can be said of pirates, the more TPM you throw at them, the more rewarding it is to overcome it.
The answer is to do away with all this DRM/TPM crap. It serves no purpose. The movies/music/games are already out there on the internet and it will stay that way. Using TPM is like trying to lock the bank vault after the robbers have stolen all the money. Stop pissing off the paying customers for the sake of the non-paying customers. It's pretty simple.
when you can digitally copy things fast and losslessly
I don't know where you get your movies from but every one I download has part of the screen missing/blocked, someone's head in the way, babies crying, people walking around and the audio sounds it was recorded in a tin can.
Come up with a TPM that stops people from copying and distributing a work more than "fair use"
Haha, the hard part of that challange is a TPM that actually stops people from copying and distributing...hasn't been done yet!
Put more clearly, if people keep hacking music, video, and software soon it will be fiscally irresponsible for companies like SONY to sign ( insert your favorite garage band here ) to any kind of record deal at all.
Bullshit, Sony will keep pumping out records even if they only make 5 million instead of 10 million per album. Want to know why? Because 5 million is a lot better than NOTHING.
I'd like to know where you get your statistics from. Unless you are gay and also speaking for your gay friends.
Ignoring your obvious lack of facts, just because a certain group majority tends to like something doesn't mean it's "for" that group. Ikea put out a commercial showing two gay men shopping for furniture. That's not trying to promote their furniture for gays. That's showing that they have a progressive view of things and that their furniture is for everyone. Of course gay people took kindly to that show of acceptance and in turn it strengthened their opinion of Ikea positively.
For your sake I hope it was a troll. If you didn't intend your remarks to be inflammatory then you are just plain ignorant. So if I were you, I would stick with it being a troll. No wait, if I were you I'd kill myself (outside) and stop stinking up my mommy's basement.
Nice troll, but I think you meant 'everywhere' not 'everyone'. But I really don't get what they mean by the 'Ikea of databases'. Does that mean it is over priced, stupid looking and meant for people with more dollars than cents?
Are you questioning whether or not you heard this?
Yes, exactly. I'm glad that you are so brilliant as to figure that out. I was questioning it because I am not sure if that is what I heard. Seems like I did but I'm not sure, hence the question mark. If someone could confirm the fact that they heard the same thing then that would probably mean I was correct.
Maybe that someone should've been you, seeing as how you're so keen on it.
Maybe you should shut the fuck up and stop trying to be a smartass. I don't remember the posts so therefore I can't provide the links. Someone else might read it, remember and be able to provide those links. If not then oh well, no need to be a jackass about it.
Good day sir.
I seem to remember seeing a /. post about some OSS projects getting screwed because companies are using/modifying the code but not releasing it, only using it for services. To that end I also heard that GPL3 plans to fix this? Maybe someone can post actual links to the relevant posts.
Can I just ask a question? Is there such a thing as a non-unique innovation? Is this story title a bit redundant?
The buzzword generator isn't perfect you know....
I repeat: They aren't the owner, neither is Sourcefire, Martin Roesch is. According to the FAQ, they are buying the Sourcefire company, not his copyright.
They aren't the owner, neither is Sourcefire, Martin Roesch is. According to the FAQ, they are buying the Sourcefire company, not his copyright.
Even with such language, does that stop them from forking the sources and creating a new closed source program with a new name?
Read the GPL...it stops them from doing exactly that.
Well, have fun then, cause a global network is sure going to be useful when it's not global.
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So what? We'll still have
Muahahahahahahahaha...
...the RIAA has filed a lawsuit against the father's testicles for "willful neglect" by spawning copyright infringers. In what could be the most lenient interpretation of the Grokster decision, a judge has allowed the RIAA to pursue further based on claims that the father's testicles were responsible for discoruging the illegal acts commited by their offspring. The announcement came as both a shock and an outrage to the defense team and the defendent who was heard to remark, "I'd give my left nut to get this ruling overturned."
Yea, it's a troll, big whoop, wanna fight about it?
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*smash* Sorry about that...you might want to fix your door...