I see this as an attempt to prevent religion from becomming irrelevant. Smart christians know they can't force people to pick religion over science because science will always win in the long run. So instead they've twisted their views so that religion can encompass science. Pretty smart move for them but it will only slow the inevitable death of religion.
It would be so nice if we could just be good to each other without fear of reprisal from some imaginary father-figure. Being a good person by your own decision is much more noble than doing it because you were told to.
If you would have RTFA you would know that people that rent more movies, cost them more in postage, handling, packaging and licensing. Which in turn means less profits for them. They receive the same amount of money from each type of subscription, irregardless of how many movies the subscriber rents but people who rent less make them more profits. So they are rewarding people that make them more money by giving them better service. Instead of being honest with their customers they hook them with an offer of "unlimited" rentals and give them better service during their free trial period than long time heavy renters receive.
This really won't matter until all BT clients support web-seeding, that is, seeding peers via HTTP without the need for a dedicated client doing the seeding. Then every website, even those hosted on shared servers, will be able to easily provide torrents to their vistors and in turn their vistors will already support BT without extra software to install. AFAIK only BitTornado supports it and I really dislike that client. This is a crucial step for BT to really prove itself to be useful for more legitimate purposes.
How do you know? Besides, if "illwill" thought that nobody would care, why did he bother trying to sell it anyway? And doesn't the fact that he actually sold it twice say that he actually believed people wanted to buy it? Intent is everything in criminal matters.
I know because he told me. He sold it twice to the SAME person. The Microsoft snitch. Nobody else cared. Why on earth would anyone with half a brain buy something that was available on every P2P network? How does stopping illwill from selling Microsoft their own source code help Microsoft? Why not find someone who actually distributed to more than just a Microsoft snitch? Maybe because they just wanted someone to take the fall?
Even if nobody would have cared, this is still important in setting a precedent that selling someone else's source code isn't ok.
That precedent's already been set plenty of times. There is no question of it. The only issue I have is that 2 years is quite a long time for such a trivial matter.
For someone who has already admitted to not caring one bit about doing things that are wrong, it's quite amusing to hear you denounce someone else doing such things as "appalling". Not so fun when the tables are turned, eh?
The tables have not turned. This doesn't affect me. I'm neutral in this and my opinion comes just as an average person, nothing more. Besides that, I never said I didn't care. I said the 'scene' as a general rule doesn't care. I'm a rare breed. Which is probably why I'm still free. I care about everyone. I'm one of those crazy people that feel the punishment should fit the crime and criminals should be reformed, not punished. Giving someone 2 years in jail for a victimless crime isn't right.
I'm glad this idiot is going to jail, and I would probably be if you did to. I have little sympathy for sociopaths who don't care about hurting others, as do the rest of the world.
Wait, you want me to go to jail too? Wow, you're pretty forthcoming with taking away people's freedom and your attitude matches that of the judge. Seems like an ignorant and hateful viewpoint. People like this need help not punishment.
There is no question that what illwill did was wrong. The only question is what his punishment should be. It seems like taking 2 years away from his life and locking him up with people that will only teach him how to be more of a criminal is just... STUPID!
Guess what else, the source code is still available on any P2P network. I counted 1500+ sources for "windows_2000_source_code.zip" and that's just one network. So please tell me what the point was of illwill getting sentenced to 2 years? Other than making the DA and Microsoft look good that is...
I've known illwill for a very long time. We've both been in the same 'scene' for quite a while. The Windows backdoor programming scene. Most of the people in our little niche are sociopaths pure and simple. We know it's wrong but we don't really care. Saying illwill was tricked is pretty stupid. He knew it was wrong, he didn't care and he assumed no one else would. It's the same for many others, we just simply don't care. Now I'm sure illwill cares about going to jail for 2 years but that's fear of punishment, not fear of wrong doing. I'm sure even some of the more sane serial killers value their freedom.
This being said, Microsoft has won nothing. He was responsible for distributing the source code to exactly 1 person, a Microsoft snitch. If it wasn't for the snitch taking him up on his offer there would have been nobody that cared. Taking away 2 years of a persons life over such trivial shit is appalling and only serves to make us more numb and hateful to the laws of our society.
That being said, good luck illwill, we're going to miss your exploits and granny pr0n that you've posted in #trinity over the years!
On a serious note, I wonder what this means for emulation projects. If you recognize an exploit in the original environment (as possibly someone did when writing a WMF parser for WINE), do you implement the exploit in your emulator or do you introduce a potential incompatibility?
Between this and data retention they are going to know about everyone we contact and everywhere we go. It would be different if this was only to be used for finding stolen cars or tracking known criminals but they plan on monitoring everyone.
It seems like we are getting closer and closer to that futuristic dystopia and it scares the hell out of me.
This has little to do with piracy and everything to do with making consumers pay multiple times for the same product.
That's why movies are released first to film and then to DVD. It's not because it takes time to produce the DVD. Though it does take a little effort to slap together some menus and cut scenes but that's not why. In fact the piracy scene has been able to get several "DVD screeners" while the movie is in theaters. These big budget movies are hoping for an Oscar so they send letter-box DVD versions to the academy for consideration and in the process some pirates get their hands on them. So it's obviously possible to release on DVD and film concurrently. It'll just never happen because they want people to see it in theaters and buy the DVD. Not one or the other.
This is just one example...it's not why they want to protect digital media though..for that you've got to delve into the mind of the typical MPAA though process..
"Oh your DVD got scratched? Well you better buy a new copy. What? You want to make back ups?! PIRATE!!!"
Do you honestly think embedding protection into digital media is going to stop pirates? No, it's going to stop John Q. Public from protecting his investment. Pirates could care less because if they can't copy it freely they'll bypass the protection, if they can't get a digital copy, they'll film it with a camera. All this analog hole and DRM non-sense is just corporate double speak for "we want more money!".
The MPAA needs to stop using piracy as an excuse to screw over the paying customers. Of course that will never happen because then everyone might actually figure out what's what.
...all Juniper has to do is prove that these people actually made these comments. Then the burden of proof is on the posters to prove that their statements are true. So remember kids, if you are going to defame someone, do it anonymously with Tor.
There was a worm called W32.Aphex@mm that did something similar. It worked via AIM/AOL, Yahoo, MSN, ICQ and IRC. The two main reasons it didn't spread very far was 1) it was rather large, 700KB for a worm doesn't spread well and 2) it didn't use any exploits for automatic installation.
But the worm did manage to get it's own song named after it...
screw the mods, they don't know shit. that's why we have so many of them in hopes that 1 or 2 won't be sniffing paint thinner when an article is posted and yes I'm a fucking HERO for not posting this as AC.
redundant? offtopic? how can the 2nd post be redundant unless the 1st post said the same thing (it doesn't)? how is it offtopic when the joke was made about the current topic? yet the guy to reply to me about the DNS is magically on topic and funny...you guys crack me up sometimes!:)
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I see this as an attempt to prevent religion from becomming irrelevant. Smart christians know they can't force people to pick religion over science because science will always win in the long run. So instead they've twisted their views so that religion can encompass science. Pretty smart move for them but it will only slow the inevitable death of religion.
It would be so nice if we could just be good to each other without fear of reprisal from some imaginary father-figure. Being a good person by your own decision is much more noble than doing it because you were told to.
If you would have RTFA you would know that people that rent more movies, cost them more in postage, handling, packaging and licensing. Which in turn means less profits for them. They receive the same amount of money from each type of subscription, irregardless of how many movies the subscriber rents but people who rent less make them more profits. So they are rewarding people that make them more money by giving them better service. Instead of being honest with their customers they hook them with an offer of "unlimited" rentals and give them better service during their free trial period than long time heavy renters receive.
Their profits or their customers?
America have
bill of rights
democratic elections
ethnic diversity
root name servers
Google, Microsoft, Cisco, Apple....
This really won't matter until all BT clients support web-seeding, that is, seeding peers via HTTP without the need for a dedicated client doing the seeding. Then every website, even those hosted on shared servers, will be able to easily provide torrents to their vistors and in turn their vistors will already support BT without extra software to install. AFAIK only BitTornado supports it and I really dislike that client. This is a crucial step for BT to really prove itself to be useful for more legitimate purposes.
How do you know? Besides, if "illwill" thought that nobody would care, why did he bother trying to sell it anyway? And doesn't the fact that he actually sold it twice say that he actually believed people wanted to buy it? Intent is everything in criminal matters.
I know because he told me. He sold it twice to the SAME person. The Microsoft snitch. Nobody else cared. Why on earth would anyone with half a brain buy something that was available on every P2P network? How does stopping illwill from selling Microsoft their own source code help Microsoft? Why not find someone who actually distributed to more than just a Microsoft snitch? Maybe because they just wanted someone to take the fall?
Even if nobody would have cared, this is still important in setting a precedent that selling someone else's source code isn't ok.
That precedent's already been set plenty of times. There is no question of it. The only issue I have is that 2 years is quite a long time for such a trivial matter.
For someone who has already admitted to not caring one bit about doing things that are wrong, it's quite amusing to hear you denounce someone else doing such things as "appalling". Not so fun when the tables are turned, eh?
The tables have not turned. This doesn't affect me. I'm neutral in this and my opinion comes just as an average person, nothing more. Besides that, I never said I didn't care. I said the 'scene' as a general rule doesn't care. I'm a rare breed. Which is probably why I'm still free. I care about everyone. I'm one of those crazy people that feel the punishment should fit the crime and criminals should be reformed, not punished. Giving someone 2 years in jail for a victimless crime isn't right.
I'm glad this idiot is going to jail, and I would probably be if you did to. I have little sympathy for sociopaths who don't care about hurting others, as do the rest of the world.
Wait, you want me to go to jail too? Wow, you're pretty forthcoming with taking away people's freedom and your attitude matches that of the judge. Seems like an ignorant and hateful viewpoint. People like this need help not punishment.
There is no question that what illwill did was wrong. The only question is what his punishment should be. It seems like taking 2 years away from his life and locking him up with people that will only teach him how to be more of a criminal is just... STUPID!
Guess what else, the source code is still available on any P2P network. I counted 1500+ sources for "windows_2000_source_code.zip" and that's just one network. So please tell me what the point was of illwill getting sentenced to 2 years? Other than making the DA and Microsoft look good that is...
I've known illwill for a very long time. We've both been in the same 'scene' for quite a while. The Windows backdoor programming scene. Most of the people in our little niche are sociopaths pure and simple. We know it's wrong but we don't really care. Saying illwill was tricked is pretty stupid. He knew it was wrong, he didn't care and he assumed no one else would. It's the same for many others, we just simply don't care. Now I'm sure illwill cares about going to jail for 2 years but that's fear of punishment, not fear of wrong doing. I'm sure even some of the more sane serial killers value their freedom.
This being said, Microsoft has won nothing. He was responsible for distributing the source code to exactly 1 person, a Microsoft snitch. If it wasn't for the snitch taking him up on his offer there would have been nobody that cared. Taking away 2 years of a persons life over such trivial shit is appalling and only serves to make us more numb and hateful to the laws of our society.
That being said, good luck illwill, we're going to miss your exploits and granny pr0n that you've posted in #trinity over the years!
On a serious note, I wonder what this means for emulation projects. If you recognize an exploit in the original environment (as possibly someone did when writing a WMF parser for WINE), do you implement the exploit in your emulator or do you introduce a potential incompatibility?
WINE IS NOT AN EMULATOR!
Between this and data retention they are going to know about everyone we contact and everywhere we go. It would be different if this was only to be used for finding stolen cars or tracking known criminals but they plan on monitoring everyone.
It seems like we are getting closer and closer to that futuristic dystopia and it scares the hell out of me.
how ironic seeing as its the holiday season and people are susceptible
I don't think that word means what you think it means...
It delivers it to anyone... it only works on Windows.
Sorry but if you want to nitpick, be prepared to receive the same.
This has little to do with piracy and everything to do with making consumers pay multiple times for the same product.
That's why movies are released first to film and then to DVD. It's not because it takes time to produce the DVD. Though it does take a little effort to slap together some menus and cut scenes but that's not why. In fact the piracy scene has been able to get several "DVD screeners" while the movie is in theaters. These big budget movies are hoping for an Oscar so they send letter-box DVD versions to the academy for consideration and in the process some pirates get their hands on them. So it's obviously possible to release on DVD and film concurrently. It'll just never happen because they want people to see it in theaters and buy the DVD. Not one or the other.
This is just one example...it's not why they want to protect digital media though..for that you've got to delve into the mind of the typical MPAA though process..
"Oh your DVD got scratched? Well you better buy a new copy. What? You want to make back ups?! PIRATE!!!"
Do you honestly think embedding protection into digital media is going to stop pirates? No, it's going to stop John Q. Public from protecting his investment. Pirates could care less because if they can't copy it freely they'll bypass the protection, if they can't get a digital copy, they'll film it with a camera. All this analog hole and DRM non-sense is just corporate double speak for "we want more money!".
The MPAA needs to stop using piracy as an excuse to screw over the paying customers. Of course that will never happen because then everyone might actually figure out what's what.
...all Juniper has to do is prove that these people actually made these comments. Then the burden of proof is on the posters to prove that their statements are true. So remember kids, if you are going to defame someone, do it anonymously with Tor.
the comment isn't a troll but the subject is a reference to a trolling group... GNAA
;)
the fact that we are having this discussion plays into the troller's plans but I'd rather inform someone than worry about being trolled
Apparantly, Robots can stop radiation. But they can't save Slashdot editors from dupes...
:P
More evidence they don't read their own site.
and apparently you can't spell "Apparently"... more evidence that you don't read what you actually write...
all kidding aside... my point is that we all make mistakes
haha, damn that's clever! too bad such brilliant humor like that will probably go unnoticed...
If the submitter had used a non-sensational topic it probably would have been rejected...
I fail to see how protecting lyrics is a big deal when most songs consist of "oooh", "uhh" and "yeah". Can you really copyright grunts?
..you just can't see it ;)
There was a worm called W32.Aphex@mm that did something similar. It worked via AIM/AOL, Yahoo, MSN, ICQ and IRC. The two main reasons it didn't spread very far was 1) it was rather large, 700KB for a worm doesn't spread well and 2) it didn't use any exploits for automatic installation.
But the worm did manage to get it's own song named after it...
Artist: AFX a.k.a. Aphex Twin
Album: Analord 09
Tracks: PWSteal.Bancos.Q, Trojan.KillAV.E, W32.Aphex@mm, Backdoor.Netshadow
...and so does most of the people on IMDb forums
lol yea as if some mods would actually respond to the reasons they modded a post the way they did...
Why would I want to see a bunch of people online and talk with them when they could just send me a text message?
How else are we going to see live naked girls? Go outside?!
screw the mods, they don't know shit. that's why we have so many of them in hopes that 1 or 2 won't be sniffing paint thinner when an article is posted and yes I'm a fucking HERO for not posting this as AC.
redundant? offtopic? how can the 2nd post be redundant unless the 1st post said the same thing (it doesn't)? how is it offtopic when the joke was made about the current topic? yet the guy to reply to me about the DNS is magically on topic and funny...you guys crack me up sometimes! :)