I only singled them out as they are the single richest organization in the world. You are correct, I think any organization should be subject to the same laws anyone else is. If a church is being run as a non profit, simply follow the non profit rules. They don't need special ones.
Perhaps, and if it gets worse as it is likely to do as soon as inflation hits from all the Fed money printing and all our war debts being called in, we can credit that to good ol W.
Even time thinks he screwed up in some major ways:
BUSH'S ECONOMIC MISTAKES Bush's Budget Blunders 1. The Return to Deficits 2. Iraq 3. Tax Cuts for the Rich 4. Financial Regulation 5. Telling Us to Go Shopping 6. Energy Policy 7. A State of Denial 8. The Muddled Bailout
In an article discussing the fact almost 70% of professional presidential historians are listing him as the worst president in U.S. history they had this to say:
One who made the comparison with Nixon explicit wrote, “Indeed, Bush puts Nixon into a more favorable light. He has trashed the image and reputation of the United States throughout the world; he has offended many of our previously close allies; he has burdened future generations with incredible debt; he has created an unnecessary war to further his domestic political objectives; he has suborned the civil rights of our citizens; he has destroyed previous environmental efforts by government in favor of his coterie of exploiters; he has surrounded himself with a cabal ideological adventurers . . ..”
If he enacted any policy that helped anyone but his close friends, I promise you it was on accident, not a stroke of economic genius.
Only because Catholics had hundreds of years to loot and pillage across Europe and the Middle East to accumulate their wealth. You don't need as much in the way of donations when you own more than any mega corp and just accumulate interest to fund yourself.
Neither of these points make the original irrelevant.
They operate like a business, owning land, stock, collecting money for services etc. They make a profit on a lot of these activities just like a business, why shouldn't they pay taxes like everyone else?
They have their own COUNTRY , don't tell me the can't get some favorable tax laws there:)
Actually almost any economist will tell you it takes about 8 years for a presidents policies to trickle down into the mainstream economy.
By your logic then Clinton did a good job, and the issues now, the financial collapse, stocks plummeting and rising unemployment are the Bush policy legacy.
They only missed the options piece of this whole thing. Their base assumptions were correct, that disabling a faulty plugin was what most people would want to do. Most would not even be aware of the fact it had been done nor that they had this plugin in the first place. Releasing a bulletin telling people to disable it is worthless.
What they DID need to do is introduce a warning saying "this plugin has been disabled for security reasons, would you like to re-enable it?" that will come up each time it's loaded until fixed, giving the user a choice.
To not disable it would be as irresponsible on Mozilla's part as not patching the hole was on Microsoft's. They just need better communication with users.
And no federal government yet has represented California's interests. Hell we don't even get 80 cents on the dollar back in federal tax money, and what we do get is so wrapped in pork and idiotic regulations it costs almost as much as we get to use. Hell without the drain of the federal government California would be a profitable state (and yes, that includes if we hired our own army)
We are tired of subsidizing the rest of the country as they tell us we cannot live the way we want to.
Secession! *waits to get put on some watch list for speaking out against the fed*
I'd have to agree... I'd spend $50 on the chance I might win some money back and have fun doing it. I can drop that at a fancy restaurant or a night at the pub.
Some people spend $300 to watch a season of football, no chance you'll get anything out of that:)
I guess I didn't see any moral arguments in the original statement. He was simply stating their claims weren't entirely incorrect in accordance with current law.
Saying something is legal and saying it is moral are only some times related.
Moral authority has nothing to do with it and saying "this is the current system" does not require citation or a logical explanation. It's a statement of fact, not of moral authority. Unless you are asking for citations that explain current methods of distribution and purchase, backing up this fact, but I think you know full well what they are:)
What he is pointing out is that whether or not./ers agree with it, there is a system in place. If you choose to bypass this system by pirating, you are doing something illegal and the companies have a right, legally, to cry foul and count it as a theft.
Are these laws in any way correct or moral? That's a whole different debate. I happen to think no. If you think they are not, do as I do, actively participate, monetarily and with your time, in getting it changed.
In most governmental systems change occurs via active participation, not posting on message boards. If you don't do this, you aren't effecting the change you want in any meaningful way and loose any moral ground to complain when the companies DO participate and as such get their way.
Make enough noise and politicians WILL respond, they will investigate the outrageous claims made by these companies and perhaps set a framework for how to calculate such things. As of now however they mostly hear from the bad guys, so don't know any better.
The people of Germany and Japan did this and succeeded DESPITE US interference, not because of it.
They wanted it to begin with and we opened the door for them. This is very different than the too many to mention examples of where the US meddled and it was not wanted and nothing changed, and in a few cases got worse.
Remember... Sadam was installed by the US as well:)
And then you are held in contempt of court at a MINIMUM when you can't produce the data the company can prove you have, possibly jailed for destruction of company property. Your home and car are searched while you sit in a cell and it's all perfectly legal.
Oh and that email you sent with your idea? Better hope you can prove it came from some other machine and that they don't have another email with a time stamp showing you were working at that time.
The laws right now are NOT in your favor, no matter what you do. Judges are not incredibly fond of smart-asses who try and explain away such "losses" either. As someone who does work in forensics and testifies in trials as an expert witness for such things, I will go out of my way to protect the person and their privacy up until I see something like a pristine laptop coming back, in which case I just say "He's obviously destroyed evidence."
In most cases bringing your Eee into the building will make it searchable.
The onus is on YOU, not the company, to prove it has no company data on it once it has entered the building. This usually involves the company handing it over to IT to search.
While your measures seem logical, keep in mind your government has given companies extraordinary power within their own walls and to protect their data. If you don't like this, talk to your representative.
Just because I do work on my home PC (which I do), doesn't mean the company has any right to it.
In most cases it does. If you store company files on your home PC they have a right to retrieve them. If you access a company VPN from your home PC they have a reasonable assumption you did work on the machine and can usually obtain permission to search it. I have been sent out on these calls before and it's no fun for anyone. Granted I stopped working for that company due to such policies, but the fact is they CAN do it.
If the company guys me legal pad and a pen, and I write "[A] Great American Novel", it doesn't give the company any rights to my work. I think you're being a bit paranoid.
Actually it very much does. This level of paranoia when it comes to companies is healthy, because they can and will pull these stunts. If you write a novel on company pads, or on your pads with their pen, they in fact own it according to almost every employment contract I have ever worked under.
The ONLY way around this is to go to your boss, show him the scribbles, walk away and then email him asking if the company wants them. If he responds no, print the email and keep it with said novel. THEN you are safe.
There are cases where something as simple as using a company computer to email a publisher about the book transfered ownership because you then worked on it on company equipment/time.
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I only singled them out as they are the single richest organization in the world. You are correct, I think any organization should be subject to the same laws anyone else is. If a church is being run as a non profit, simply follow the non profit rules. They don't need special ones.
Yup, and yet by pointing this out I am modded flaimbait :)
Perhaps, and if it gets worse as it is likely to do as soon as inflation hits from all the Fed money printing and all our war debts being called in, we can credit that to good ol W.
Even time thinks he screwed up in some major ways:
BUSH'S ECONOMIC MISTAKES
Bush's Budget Blunders
1. The Return to Deficits
2. Iraq
3. Tax Cuts for the Rich
4. Financial Regulation
5. Telling Us to Go Shopping
6. Energy Policy
7. A State of Denial
8. The Muddled Bailout
In an article discussing the fact almost 70% of professional presidential historians are listing him as the worst president in U.S. history they had this to say:
One who made the comparison with Nixon explicit wrote, “Indeed, Bush puts Nixon into a more favorable light. He has trashed the image and reputation of the United States throughout the world; he has offended many of our previously close allies; he has burdened future generations with incredible debt; he has created an unnecessary war to further his domestic political objectives; he has suborned the civil rights of our citizens; he has destroyed previous environmental efforts by government in favor of his coterie of exploiters; he has surrounded himself with a cabal ideological adventurers . . . .”
If he enacted any policy that helped anyone but his close friends, I promise you it was on accident, not a stroke of economic genius.
Only because Catholics had hundreds of years to loot and pillage across Europe and the Middle East to accumulate their wealth. You don't need as much in the way of donations when you own more than any mega corp and just accumulate interest to fund yourself.
Also the only church with their own country.
Neither of these points make the original irrelevant. :)
They operate like a business, owning land, stock, collecting money for services etc. They make a profit on a lot of these activities just like a business, why shouldn't they pay taxes like everyone else? They have their own COUNTRY , don't tell me the can't get some favorable tax laws there
Did she say how many accounts the Vatican has? :)
I'm betting they have 1000x the resources.
Ever heard the stories of Catholics or Jehovah's Witnesses trying to leave? People sent to their house, ostracism etc.
Scientology may be bad but lets not forget a lot of the stunts they pull they learned from main stream religions.
Actually almost any economist will tell you it takes about 8 years for a presidents policies to trickle down into the mainstream economy.
By your logic then Clinton did a good job, and the issues now, the financial collapse, stocks plummeting and rising unemployment are the Bush policy legacy.
Maybe if Iowa would stop deciding who we get to vote for we could :) Try making them do their primaries same day as everyone else.
I have voted in every election since I was 18 and not yet as the guy I voted for won, but I keep trying and hoping in vain.
You are on /. and actually recommending an upgrade to Vista?
Brave man.
That's what we use... server version indexes servers, SAN volumes etc and makes them searchable from each desktop ;)
They only missed the options piece of this whole thing. Their base assumptions were correct, that disabling a faulty plugin was what most people would want to do. Most would not even be aware of the fact it had been done nor that they had this plugin in the first place. Releasing a bulletin telling people to disable it is worthless.
What they DID need to do is introduce a warning saying "this plugin has been disabled for security reasons, would you like to re-enable it?" that will come up each time it's loaded until fixed, giving the user a choice.
To not disable it would be as irresponsible on Mozilla's part as not patching the hole was on Microsoft's. They just need better communication with users.
A treaty is not legislation despite the fact once signed it acts as such. It's a little constitutional loophole the government loves to exploit.
And no federal government yet has represented California's interests. Hell we don't even get 80 cents on the dollar back in federal tax money, and what we do get is so wrapped in pork and idiotic regulations it costs almost as much as we get to use. Hell without the drain of the federal government California would be a profitable state (and yes, that includes if we hired our own army)
We are tired of subsidizing the rest of the country as they tell us we cannot live the way we want to.
Secession! *waits to get put on some watch list for speaking out against the fed*
I'd have to agree... I'd spend $50 on the chance I might win some money back and have fun doing it. I can drop that at a fancy restaurant or a night at the pub.
Some people spend $300 to watch a season of football, no chance you'll get anything out of that :)
And I would hire a programmer of gambling sites much faster than a PR guy from a tobacco company ;)
I guess I didn't see any moral arguments in the original statement. He was simply stating their claims weren't entirely incorrect in accordance with current law.
Saying something is legal and saying it is moral are only some times related.
Moral authority has nothing to do with it and saying "this is the current system" does not require citation or a logical explanation. It's a statement of fact, not of moral authority. Unless you are asking for citations that explain current methods of distribution and purchase, backing up this fact, but I think you know full well what they are :)
What he is pointing out is that whether or not ./ers agree with it, there is a system in place. If you choose to bypass this system by pirating, you are doing something illegal and the companies have a right, legally, to cry foul and count it as a theft.
Are these laws in any way correct or moral? That's a whole different debate. I happen to think no. If you think they are not, do as I do, actively participate, monetarily and with your time, in getting it changed.
In most governmental systems change occurs via active participation, not posting on message boards. If you don't do this, you aren't effecting the change you want in any meaningful way and loose any moral ground to complain when the companies DO participate and as such get their way.
Make enough noise and politicians WILL respond, they will investigate the outrageous claims made by these companies and perhaps set a framework for how to calculate such things. As of now however they mostly hear from the bad guys, so don't know any better.
Does this mean AT&T and Verizon can be sued there?
The people of Germany and Japan did this and succeeded DESPITE US interference, not because of it.
They wanted it to begin with and we opened the door for them. This is very different than the too many to mention examples of where the US meddled and it was not wanted and nothing changed, and in a few cases got worse.
Remember... Sadam was installed by the US as well :)
Very true, boss does not always have this authority you are correct.
And then you are held in contempt of court at a MINIMUM when you can't produce the data the company can prove you have, possibly jailed for destruction of company property. Your home and car are searched while you sit in a cell and it's all perfectly legal.
Oh and that email you sent with your idea? Better hope you can prove it came from some other machine and that they don't have another email with a time stamp showing you were working at that time.
The laws right now are NOT in your favor, no matter what you do. Judges are not incredibly fond of smart-asses who try and explain away such "losses" either. As someone who does work in forensics and testifies in trials as an expert witness for such things, I will go out of my way to protect the person and their privacy up until I see something like a pristine laptop coming back, in which case I just say "He's obviously destroyed evidence."
Thank you... as a fellow computer forensics professional I am glad to see someone put some reality in this thread.
In most cases bringing your Eee into the building will make it searchable.
The onus is on YOU, not the company, to prove it has no company data on it once it has entered the building. This usually involves the company handing it over to IT to search.
While your measures seem logical, keep in mind your government has given companies extraordinary power within their own walls and to protect their data. If you don't like this, talk to your representative.
Just because I do work on my home PC (which I do), doesn't mean the company has any right to it.
In most cases it does. If you store company files on your home PC they have a right to retrieve them. If you access a company VPN from your home PC they have a reasonable assumption you did work on the machine and can usually obtain permission to search it. I have been sent out on these calls before and it's no fun for anyone. Granted I stopped working for that company due to such policies, but the fact is they CAN do it.
If the company guys me legal pad and a pen, and I write "[A] Great American Novel", it doesn't give the company any rights to my work. I think you're being a bit paranoid.
Actually it very much does. This level of paranoia when it comes to companies is healthy, because they can and will pull these stunts. If you write a novel on company pads, or on your pads with their pen, they in fact own it according to almost every employment contract I have ever worked under.
The ONLY way around this is to go to your boss, show him the scribbles, walk away and then email him asking if the company wants them. If he responds no, print the email and keep it with said novel. THEN you are safe.
There are cases where something as simple as using a company computer to email a publisher about the book transfered ownership because you then worked on it on company equipment/time.