Why is it that we need to either like him and think he's a "MASSIVE step forward," or we're racist and should die in a fire? Because of his skin color we can't have ideological differences?
Sounds like you're the racist to me, friend. I saw past his skin color and disliked him for his politics and policies.
Tell you what? Why don't we create an IRS account for "voluntary taxes," and all you guys with extra money to throw around can send in your checks. Hell, we'll even make it tax deductible! Whether or not you ever write that first check, or less likely, the second, please stop volunteering the rest of us just because because of your misplaced altruism.
You know, the snark has got to stop. It sounds witty, but there's nothing behind it and it still manages to pass for insightful commentary.
The fact is that people go to work to make money. They aren't going to quit or not work in government because they want smaller government. Why? Because they've got to work somewhere, and if there's a gov't position open, someone's going to take it anyway. Refusing to take it on principle only hurts the prospective employee, and does NOTHING to constrain the size of government.
What needs to happen is the strategic elimination of high-level groups and programs. That absolutely cannot be done by Joe the IT Worker or Sally the Secretary, and their decision to take that paycheck while its available is totally reasonable.
I think most "Rednecks" are a lot smarter and better tempered than you give them credit for. Unfortunately, it only takes one loony to commit such an act, but then we shouldn't call him a Redneck. We would call him a "loony," "criminal," or "murderer."
Funny -- most of what you mentioned are functions of LOCAL government - not FEDERAL government. The ones where the Federal government does have a role are generally places they've overstepped their bounds.
There aren't many people who complain about local taxes. Know why?
1. The people who set them are much more accessible and more easily voted out of office. Waste and excess is generally much lower at the local level as a result.
2. The budgets are more transparent at local levels.
3. The people see a direct result of their local tax dollars. What is the result of my federal taxes besides wars and a bunch of blowhards in DC figuring out how to muck around in places they don't belong?
The Federal government is obscenely bloated. Much of what it does needs to be pushed down to the State and local governments. Until that happens, we'll continue to have these circus elections, hot-blooded fights about every topic under the sun, and will continue to look like a bunch of asses to the rest of the world.
On the other hand, we could cut the behemoth Federal government, keep taxes right where they are, and pay down the debt as well. Why does everything need to be an increase?
The point is that most of the money we pay is wasted. Fix the waste, streamline the process, and put the money where it counts. Until you do that, I don't think it's selfish to say that I don't want to give them another damn cent.
I understand the concept of changing the channel, friend, and in fact, noted that I don't really watch it anymore. My point was not to call these guys out specifically, but to say that making a strong point and then saying "I was just kidding, can't you take a joke" is not valid way to avoid argument when you obviously weren't kidding.
Late night comics have often framed political commentary in humor, but I picked these guys because they take it to such an extreme that they've simply become pundits who make jokes in between their political monologues.
The only dumb or retarded thing I've seen in this thread is someone threatening to go to BSD because I chose Ubuntu Server. I guess it affects their life in some cosmic butterfly way.
Seriously though, I'm a little sick of the infighting. I don't bitch about using Red Hat, even though it's not typically my first choice. I'm just happy as hell to be using Linux.
Besides, most orgs I've been in (big ones) start off with something like RHEL, but then customize it so heavily that it's barely recognizable anyway. Morgan Stanley even put together their own distro called Aurora Linux, though I think it might be defunct now. I haven't worked there in several years, but they had one hell of an environment -- based loosely on Red Hat if I remember -- but so heavily "Morganized" that it was effectively a new distribution by the time they were done with it.
But it does make a damn fine server. The software is reasonably up to date, the administration is dead-simple, and I'm already familiar with it from my desktops.
I've got other things to concentrate on besides server administration -- like coding my project management and billing system, or working for my clients so I have something to bill them for. Ubuntu makes that easy for me.
I've recently vetted Slackware, Debian (stable), and Ubuntu Server 7.04, and settled on the latter because it strikes the balance I need between stability and up to date software. You may legitimately disagree with my choice, but I have my reasons and I'm sure you have yours. Most Linuxes make great servers, so it's really choosing your favorite incarnation of "awesome."
This guy's absolutely right. If you want evidence, look at the influence "comedy" shows like The Daily Show and the Colbert Report have had on national politics recently.
These guys absolutely, positively are NOT joking. They're as serious, and their message every bit as pointed as any network media propaganda out there. That they do it under the cover of "comedy" in order to provide the "it's all in good fun" and "we tease everyone" defenses is cowardly and sickening.
That they'll tease Obama lightheartedly or in some inconsequential way and then tear McCain apart is absolutely not "teasing everyone" equally.
I used to enjoy those shows before the election season, but as November gets closer, they're not even trying to be funny anymore. Everyone can take a ribbing, but what these guys are doing is a lot more than that.
Of course, it's within their rights to have an opinion and talk about it on their shows, but they absolutely do not have the shield of "all in good fun" when they do so.
No, welcome to a world where people in government with access to information give said information to the news media and "ask to remain anonymous because they're not authorized to comment publicly."
Wake up people. These guys were either looking to sell the information to make a buck, or they were going to give anything they found to the media in order to discredit the guy.
How do you think we know the guy owes 2 grand in back taxes, or any of the other "discrediting" information that has been thrown at a guy who simply disagreed with Obama?
I don't really know, but I'd venture a guess at bad seek times caused by longer head travel.
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Right. Because it's impossible to do on Windows and Mac. You need to wait until the next version of the entire operating system comes out, and then pay for that.
So yes, please switch so you don't even have the option of doing what a Linux user mentions casually in conversation. Less is better, right?
I see your point, assuming the DBAs or "database developers" write the SPs. Unfortunately, that hasn't been the case in any of the large companies where I've worked (Wall Street mostly).
In these, the same guy who writes Java writes stored procedures. I've seen some pretty horrific SQL in my time - manual "joins" using cursors, for example - but at least they were in stored procedures to optimize performance. (?!)
You go talk to EnterpriseDB, who've been working on Oracle compatibility for Postgres. I can't speak for it personally, but you might be able to get away with the cost of a conversion project to a similar database (read: close, but not equal). At that point, it's pure savings.
Oracle has features PG doesn't have, sure, but ask yourself: how many of them are you actually using? Of the one's you're using, can they be done differently -- maybe by tying in a different FOSS project or home-growing a solution? If you "think outside the box" a little, I think you'll find that those features are generally nice to have, but not really worth the million bucks a year you're paying to have them, and by applying different solutions, you probably won't lose much functionality anyway.
Is that true for everyone, no. I'm sure someone will tell me about their absolutely necessary Oracle-only feature that they're using, but the fact is that there are lots of projects on Oracle could have used MySQL and not lost anything.
Given recent events, how do you know it's temporary?
A big problem when these companies started toppling was that everybody was a little shocked and thought it was a glitch, temporary, whatever, and you saw seemingly infallible companies fail or sell in a matter of days. What's happened is that now as soon as people start seeing a stock drop sharply, they sell first and ask questions later.
Of course, the effect of many of these laws is not "equal." In many cases it's damn near impossible to fire someone from a protected class where you would have instantly fired a person of a non-protected class.
I'm not saying the intention is bad, but the implementation certainly has its downsides.
As a Libertarian small business owner consulting in a largely democratic-leaning financial institution, I agree with your statement.
The people here who stand in circles at break time and trash-talk Bush/McCain/Palin/Republicans think I don't participate because I'm obviously a Republican and therefore approve of these folks. The fact is that I just think they're being narrow-minded, misogynist, media-parroting douches who'd piss themselves if any one of those folks walked in the room and overheard.
Incidentally, it's the libs here who want the bailout, not the Libertarians or Republicans. The Libertarians and Republicans here tend to just stay out of it because they want to stay employed and keep good working relationships with the other 90% of the staff.
I don't need proof, because I'm not really proposing it. I'm taking this position as a point of argument, and want you to provide a good argument as to why I should change my mind.
The point is that most people going on about abiogenesis sound no better. That they then call others stupid, ignorant, and claim that it has anything at all to do with the existence of God makes it all the worse.
I'm saying these people are self-deluded hypocrites, no better than those whom they're bashing. My rival theory was only rhetorical.
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Why is it that we need to either like him and think he's a "MASSIVE step forward," or we're racist and should die in a fire? Because of his skin color we can't have ideological differences?
Sounds like you're the racist to me, friend. I saw past his skin color and disliked him for his politics and policies.
Tell you what? Why don't we create an IRS account for "voluntary taxes," and all you guys with extra money to throw around can send in your checks. Hell, we'll even make it tax deductible! Whether or not you ever write that first check, or less likely, the second, please stop volunteering the rest of us just because because of your misplaced altruism.
You know, the snark has got to stop. It sounds witty, but there's nothing behind it and it still manages to pass for insightful commentary.
The fact is that people go to work to make money. They aren't going to quit or not work in government because they want smaller government. Why? Because they've got to work somewhere, and if there's a gov't position open, someone's going to take it anyway. Refusing to take it on principle only hurts the prospective employee, and does NOTHING to constrain the size of government.
What needs to happen is the strategic elimination of high-level groups and programs. That absolutely cannot be done by Joe the IT Worker or Sally the Secretary, and their decision to take that paycheck while its available is totally reasonable.
It's a meme started by Obama. It means nothing more than that.
I think most "Rednecks" are a lot smarter and better tempered than you give them credit for. Unfortunately, it only takes one loony to commit such an act, but then we shouldn't call him a Redneck. We would call him a "loony," "criminal," or "murderer."
Funny -- most of what you mentioned are functions of LOCAL government - not FEDERAL government. The ones where the Federal government does have a role are generally places they've overstepped their bounds.
There aren't many people who complain about local taxes. Know why?
1. The people who set them are much more accessible and more easily voted out of office. Waste and excess is generally much lower at the local level as a result.
2. The budgets are more transparent at local levels.
3. The people see a direct result of their local tax dollars. What is the result of my federal taxes besides wars and a bunch of blowhards in DC figuring out how to muck around in places they don't belong?
The Federal government is obscenely bloated. Much of what it does needs to be pushed down to the State and local governments. Until that happens, we'll continue to have these circus elections, hot-blooded fights about every topic under the sun, and will continue to look like a bunch of asses to the rest of the world.
On the other hand, we could cut the behemoth Federal government, keep taxes right where they are, and pay down the debt as well. Why does everything need to be an increase?
The point is that most of the money we pay is wasted. Fix the waste, streamline the process, and put the money where it counts. Until you do that, I don't think it's selfish to say that I don't want to give them another damn cent.
Ok, I'm going to attempt math on a Sunday afternoon. Everyone stand clear and wear your safety goggles!
500 millihertz = 500/1000 hz = .5hz.
1hz = 1 cycle per second, so .5 hz = 1/2 cycle per second.
1 full cycle = 2 seconds.
Do I win a prize or hang my head in shame? You decide.
I understand the concept of changing the channel, friend, and in fact, noted that I don't really watch it anymore. My point was not to call these guys out specifically, but to say that making a strong point and then saying "I was just kidding, can't you take a joke" is not valid way to avoid argument when you obviously weren't kidding.
Late night comics have often framed political commentary in humor, but I picked these guys because they take it to such an extreme that they've simply become pundits who make jokes in between their political monologues.
No - as I mentioned to another comment above, I misspoke. It's 8.04.
You're right - 8.04. My bad. It'd be nice if I could edit my post, but...
The only dumb or retarded thing I've seen in this thread is someone threatening to go to BSD because I chose Ubuntu Server. I guess it affects their life in some cosmic butterfly way.
Seriously though, I'm a little sick of the infighting. I don't bitch about using Red Hat, even though it's not typically my first choice. I'm just happy as hell to be using Linux.
Besides, most orgs I've been in (big ones) start off with something like RHEL, but then customize it so heavily that it's barely recognizable anyway. Morgan Stanley even put together their own distro called Aurora Linux, though I think it might be defunct now. I haven't worked there in several years, but they had one hell of an environment -- based loosely on Red Hat if I remember -- but so heavily "Morganized" that it was effectively a new distribution by the time they were done with it.
But it does make a damn fine server. The software is reasonably up to date, the administration is dead-simple, and I'm already familiar with it from my desktops.
I've got other things to concentrate on besides server administration -- like coding my project management and billing system, or working for my clients so I have something to bill them for. Ubuntu makes that easy for me.
I've recently vetted Slackware, Debian (stable), and Ubuntu Server 7.04, and settled on the latter because it strikes the balance I need between stability and up to date software. You may legitimately disagree with my choice, but I have my reasons and I'm sure you have yours. Most Linuxes make great servers, so it's really choosing your favorite incarnation of "awesome."
This guy's absolutely right. If you want evidence, look at the influence "comedy" shows like The Daily Show and the Colbert Report have had on national politics recently.
These guys absolutely, positively are NOT joking. They're as serious, and their message every bit as pointed as any network media propaganda out there. That they do it under the cover of "comedy" in order to provide the "it's all in good fun" and "we tease everyone" defenses is cowardly and sickening.
That they'll tease Obama lightheartedly or in some inconsequential way and then tear McCain apart is absolutely not "teasing everyone" equally.
I used to enjoy those shows before the election season, but as November gets closer, they're not even trying to be funny anymore. Everyone can take a ribbing, but what these guys are doing is a lot more than that.
Of course, it's within their rights to have an opinion and talk about it on their shows, but they absolutely do not have the shield of "all in good fun" when they do so.
No, welcome to a world where people in government with access to information give said information to the news media and "ask to remain anonymous because they're not authorized to comment publicly."
Wake up people. These guys were either looking to sell the information to make a buck, or they were going to give anything they found to the media in order to discredit the guy.
How do you think we know the guy owes 2 grand in back taxes, or any of the other "discrediting" information that has been thrown at a guy who simply disagreed with Obama?
I don't really know, but I'd venture a guess at bad seek times caused by longer head travel.
In space, no one can hear you combust.
Right. Because it's impossible to do on Windows and Mac. You need to wait until the next version of the entire operating system comes out, and then pay for that.
So yes, please switch so you don't even have the option of doing what a Linux user mentions casually in conversation. Less is better, right?
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I see your point, assuming the DBAs or "database developers" write the SPs. Unfortunately, that hasn't been the case in any of the large companies where I've worked (Wall Street mostly).
In these, the same guy who writes Java writes stored procedures. I've seen some pretty horrific SQL in my time - manual "joins" using cursors, for example - but at least they were in stored procedures to optimize performance. (?!)
You go talk to EnterpriseDB, who've been working on Oracle compatibility for Postgres. I can't speak for it personally, but you might be able to get away with the cost of a conversion project to a similar database (read: close, but not equal). At that point, it's pure savings.
Oracle has features PG doesn't have, sure, but ask yourself: how many of them are you actually using? Of the one's you're using, can they be done differently -- maybe by tying in a different FOSS project or home-growing a solution? If you "think outside the box" a little, I think you'll find that those features are generally nice to have, but not really worth the million bucks a year you're paying to have them, and by applying different solutions, you probably won't lose much functionality anyway.
Is that true for everyone, no. I'm sure someone will tell me about their absolutely necessary Oracle-only feature that they're using, but the fact is that there are lots of projects on Oracle could have used MySQL and not lost anything.
Given recent events, how do you know it's temporary?
A big problem when these companies started toppling was that everybody was a little shocked and thought it was a glitch, temporary, whatever, and you saw seemingly infallible companies fail or sell in a matter of days. What's happened is that now as soon as people start seeing a stock drop sharply, they sell first and ask questions later.
Of course, the effect of many of these laws is not "equal." In many cases it's damn near impossible to fire someone from a protected class where you would have instantly fired a person of a non-protected class.
I'm not saying the intention is bad, but the implementation certainly has its downsides.
As a Libertarian small business owner consulting in a largely democratic-leaning financial institution, I agree with your statement.
The people here who stand in circles at break time and trash-talk Bush/McCain/Palin/Republicans think I don't participate because I'm obviously a Republican and therefore approve of these folks. The fact is that I just think they're being narrow-minded, misogynist, media-parroting douches who'd piss themselves if any one of those folks walked in the room and overheard.
Incidentally, it's the libs here who want the bailout, not the Libertarians or Republicans. The Libertarians and Republicans here tend to just stay out of it because they want to stay employed and keep good working relationships with the other 90% of the staff.
I don't need proof, because I'm not really proposing it. I'm taking this position as a point of argument, and want you to provide a good argument as to why I should change my mind.
The point is that most people going on about abiogenesis sound no better. That they then call others stupid, ignorant, and claim that it has anything at all to do with the existence of God makes it all the worse.
I'm saying these people are self-deluded hypocrites, no better than those whom they're bashing. My rival theory was only rhetorical.
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