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Fictional Town "Eureka" To Become Real?

Zarath writes "The fictional town of Eureka (from the TV series by the same name) is going to potentially become a real life town as the University of Queensland, in Australia, plans to build a multibillion-dollar 'brain city' dedicated to science and research. The city, hoping to hold at least 10,000 people, is looking to attract 4,500 of the brightest scientists from around the world to live and work there. The city is planned to be built west of the city of Brisbane, in Queensland. While not funded by the Department of Defense (like the [city of the] TV series), the potential for such a community is very interesting and exciting."

337 comments

  1. Slashlolcatz by eldavojohn · · Score: 4, Funny

    Fictional Town "Eureka" to Becomes Real?

    They forgot to link to the image for this story.

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    1. Re:Slashlolcatz by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Funny

      Of course the fundamentalists will have to create their own, and call it Amen where no science will be allowed.

    2. Re:Slashlolcatz by lpangelrob · · Score: 0, Flamebait

      Been there. Wish I could tell you it was nearly as exciting as the summary makes it...

    3. Re:Slashlolcatz by pnewhook · · Score: 1, Funny

      Tried that - it was called the 'Dark Ages' and scientists were burned at the stake.

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    4. Re:Slashlolcatz by 0xdeadbeef · · Score: 2, Funny

      No, their first base is called "New Jerusalem". And don't worry, they're easily destroyed early in the game, especially when you ally with the Peacekeepers.

    5. Re:Slashlolcatz by mrscorpio81 · · Score: 0

      You mean home of the college of Ronald Reagan? I lived in nearby Washington for quite some time....

  2. We already have one... by trailerparkcassanova · · Score: 5, Insightful

    but we call ours Los Alamos...

    1. Re:We already have one... by mi · · Score: 3, Insightful

      but we call ours Los Alamos...

      I thought, we call it "Silicon Valley" — and it didn't need government sponsorship to come into being...

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    2. Re:We already have one... by haystor · · Score: 5, Funny

      I'd be betting on Los Alamos should the two ever go head to head.

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    3. Re:We already have one... by CRCulver · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I thought, we call it "Silicon Valley" -- and it didn't need government sponsorship to come into being...

      Without DARPA taking the initiative with public funds, there would have been no basis for many of the private companies of Silicon Valley. Even the supposedly private companies that developed innovative solutions back at the beginning relied to some extend on government support, as the US recognized the need to stay ahead in the Cold War.

    4. Re:We already have one... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

      No, Silicon Valley is where we send all the losers who think that they're geniuses.

    5. Re:We already have one... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Nah, just corporate welfare in the form of juicy defense contracts. Oh, did you think people just got together one day to build computers for which there was no commercial market from the goodness of their hearts? Oh, and what's this Internet thing all about? How did it start?
      Hmmm. I think you're an idiot. Go pave your own highway system to drive on too while you're at it.

    6. Re:We already have one... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

      I'd be betting on Los Alamos should the two ever go head to head.
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    7. Re:We already have one... by mi · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Without DARPA taking the initiative with public funds, there would have been no basis for many of the private companies of Silicon Valley.

      DARPA's money helped some, but it didn't cause the creation of Oracle, Sybase, SGI, HP, or Sun — the companies, which were developing even before Internet.

      Also, DARPA stopped funding Internet funding Internet long before the emergence of giants like Google or Cisco in the valley. Much as Statists would like to attribute good things to the State's intervention, they don't have many legs to stand on.

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    8. Re:We already have one... by jmashaw · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Speaking of nuclear weapons...

      What happens if this "Brain City" becomes a military target for an anti-western nation, or any nation that might oppose scientific thought? All it would take is a single attack to wipe-out so much research and great thinkers.

      Don't we try to avoid the single point of failure and prefer distributed networks for this reason?

    9. Re:We already have one... by Bill_the_Engineer · · Score: 4, Informative

      Don't forget Huntsville, AL (Cummings Research Park), and it's second in size compared to Triangle Research Park in North Carolina.

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    10. Re:We already have one... by XxtraLarGe · · Score: 0, Troll

      Much as Statists would like to attribute good things to the State's intervention, they don't have many legs to stand on.

      Not that lack of legs to stand on has stopped them in the past. Gore invented the internet and now we find out thatMcCain invented the Blackberry!

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    11. Re:We already have one... by kestasjk · · Score: 1

      This'll never happen.. what a dumb idea

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    12. Re:We already have one... by fuzzyfuzzyfungus · · Score: 2, Informative

      To be fair, while Silicon Valley wasn't exactly a planned community, its history isn't all flowers and anarcho-capitalist free enterprise.

      NASA Ames Research Center, Various California State universities, and gigantic piles of federal research money are deeply involved there. Silicon Valley is interesting in that there is a lot of entrepreneurial activity with largely civilian application that exists as well(unlike, say, Los Alamos, which is pretty much military R&D); but it is an OMG triumph of Free Enterprise! in a way not so different than the internet is(n't).

    13. Re:We already have one... by CRCulver · · Score: 3, Interesting

      DARPA's money helped some, but it didn't cause the creation of Oracle, Sybase, SGI, HP, or Sun -- the companies, which were developing even before Internet.

      Who said the US government's role was limited to the Internet? None of those companies would have gotten anywhere without some of the advances at Bell Labs, which was kept going by government contracts.

      Much as Statists would like to attribute good things to the State's intervention, they don't have many legs to stand on.

      Your choice of terminology suggests that you're a libertarian nutjob. I wish you success in your return to the real world.

    14. Re:We already have one... by aero6dof · · Score: 4, Informative

      but we call ours Los Alamos...

      I thought, we call it "Silicon Valley" — and it didn't need government sponsorship to come into being...

      Hmm, I think you're forgetting that if you trace back further Silicon Valley has connections with the Space and Military programs - here and here. I think I'd conclude that there's a complex set of influences favoring the creation of Silicon Valley.

      But, hey, don't let me get in the way of a good "private industry is inherently more efficient" fantasy...

    15. Re:We already have one... by fuzzyfuzzyfungus · · Score: 2, Insightful

      In a perfect world, distributed networks might be a bit safer(though the odds of researchers being attacked have historically been very low, unless they've had the bad luck of pissing off the animal-rightists recently. Most other anti-science outfits tend either to be tiny in scale, like the unibomber, more interested in PR, like the creationists, er. "intelligent design theorists", or much more interested in things other than technology, like your standard islamic radicals.) The trouble is that the ability to collaborate closely with other smart people seems to be very valuable for scientists and researchers. Lots of informal hall chats and whatnot. Until we have telepresence so good that it can replace ordinary presence, proximity is the price that must be paid for the best working environment.

    16. Re:We already have one... by Theoboley · · Score: 1

      Mayor of Eureka - Solid Snake

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    17. Re:We already have one... by mi · · Score: 2, Insightful

      None of those companies would have gotten anywhere without some of the advances at Bell Labs, which was kept going by government contracts.

      That Government was/is a customer of some of those firms in no way supports the claim, they owe their existence to the it.

      Your choice of terminology suggests that you're a libertarian nutjob.

      Aye-aye-aye! Name-calling — how sad... Given the government's wonderful successes in education, highway upkeep, and pensions — wanting it to also expand into healthcare — whose mental faculties are we supposed to question?

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    18. Re:We already have one... by mikael · · Score: 4, Informative

      Back in the 1980's, the BBC produced a Horizon documentary, which covered the growth of Silicon Valley. The first company was Fairchild Semiconductor, which then formed many offshoot companies, and that tradition continued until there were hundreds of companies. In many cases, research funding was provided to the universities to solve various problems, which then allowed the students and staff to set up their own companies once the project was finished.

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    19. Re:We already have one... by XxtraLarGe · · Score: 1

      Ruh-roh! Looks like somebody's senseofhumoromitor is broken!

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    20. Re:We already have one... by seriv · · Score: 4, Informative

      From the nuclear weapons perspective, the knowledge is distributed, but only slightly; a great deal of the infrastructure for the production and maintenance of nuclear weapons lies in a few towns with DOE-funded national laboratories. There isn't a single point of failure exactly, but a great deal of arcane and classified knowledge rests in each spot on specific subjects, such as the design knowledge in Los Alamos and Lawrence Livermore. A great deal of the needed nuclear materials are in just a few spots too, such as Oak Ridge (Y-12 describes itself as the "'Fort Knox' for highly enriched uranium"). Obviously, each of these spots have intense security, but if a few of these spots were really hit hard, the US's nuclear program would be crippled for a long period.

    21. Re:We already have one... by osu-neko · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Aye-aye-aye! Name-calling — how sad... Given the government's wonderful successes in education, highway upkeep, and pensions — wanting it to also expand into healthcare — whose mental faculties are we supposed to question?

      Anyone who has an "all-or-nothing" mentality. Anyone who points to a few government successes and concludes the government has a Midas touch for making things work is clearly an idiot. Anyone who points to a few government failures and concludes the government never does anything right is equally idiotic. Sane and rational people look at the specifics of a proposal and decide whether it's a good idea or not, rather than immediately conclude it's a good idea or a bad idea based on whether it involves government or not.

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    22. Re:We already have one... by Mister+Whirly · · Score: 3, Funny

      I thought they all worked at the Apple Stores.

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    23. Re:We already have one... by theaveng · · Score: 2, Informative

      >>> None of those companies would have gotten anywhere without... government contracts.

      But remember - most of our inventions go back to Edison Labs. He didn't receive government funds, but instead did it partly for his own enjoyment & partly to earn profit off his creations. Same applies to the other inventors of the day like Tesla or Bell. All of today's inventions ultimately trace back to a period (1800s) when Washington D.C. was little more than swampland & took a non-active role in business.

      As for this Eureka Town in Australia, I kinda suspect it won't go anywhere.
      I'd prefer to take part in this project: http://www.freestateproject.org/ (New Hampshire)

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    24. Re:We already have one... by Facegarden · · Score: 2, Funny

      but we call ours Los Alamos...

      I thought, we call it "Silicon Valley" — and it didn't need government sponsorship to come into being...

      Hmm, I think you're forgetting that if you trace back further Silicon Valley has connections with the Space and Military programs - here and here. I think I'd conclude that there's a complex set of influences favoring the creation of Silicon Valley.

      But, hey, don't let me get in the way of a good "private industry is inherently more efficient" fantasy...

      If you think back further, apple orchards started silicon valley.
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    25. Re:We already have one... by Trent+Hawkins · · Score: 3, Funny

      Not that lack of legs to stand on has stopped them in the past. Gore invented the internet and now we find out thatMcCain invented the Blackberry!

      McCain invented fire.

    26. Re:We already have one... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I wish I could remember the name of the island, but Japan does have a village like Eureka. Its on an island about 200 miles from Tokyo, but if you were to mail a letter to a person there you would address it to Tokyo as the city, but a postal code that does not actually exist in the city.

      The island used to be a repository for nuclear weapons back when the US was in control of the island, now days its a nice little village where the farmers have masters degrees and you can't go to some parts without proper security clearance.

    27. Re:We already have one... by hendrix2k · · Score: 1

      Don't forget this Eureka

    28. Re:We already have one... by sadangel · · Score: 2, Interesting

      And just like Los Alamos, I fully expect this to have some serious problems finding people to come do the unskilled labor. When they do, it comes with some subtle social problems. There is no small degree of resentment among those who, unable to afford housing in Los Alamos, are forced to commute from less expensive surrounding areas. A community like this sounds good on paper, but in practice, it's complicated. If Los Alamos could uproot and relocate for no cost today to a less isolated area, I think it would be done in a heartbeat. It was only the initial secrecy that required it to be where it is and inertia that keeps it there.

    29. Re:We already have one... by PC+and+Sony+Fanboy · · Score: 2, Funny

      McCain invented fire

      You know that story .. the one that begins with "In the beginning, there was..."

    30. Re:We already have one... by antirelic · · Score: 1

      Yes, but they would be so smart, they would forsee the attack and dispurse. In fact.. wasnt there an article about walking houses? If these people really are geniuses, they would detect the nuclear attack before it went off, and walk their houses out of the strike zone.

      They would then retaliate with "super mice". If you havent heard, science has figured out ways to make mice smarter, faster, and regenerate new body parts (well... an ear on the back isnt too useful, but its a start). These new super mice, infused with robotic implants (as we have seen in other posts where mice with broken backs can operate prostetic legs), will certainly be able to over whelm the attackers.

      Seeing the threat humanity poses, these mice will turn on the super smart town of people, knowing that they will figure out a way to fight back. however, the mice, already know how to enhance their intelligence, will begin a spiraling circle of genetic manipulation to make super intelligent offspring. Since mice reproduce so quickly, several generations will go by within a year, making mice hundreds of times smart than humans.

      Hence will begin the reign of "The Brain". Narf!

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    31. Re:We already have one... by dwarg · · Score: 3, Funny

      If I had mod points... I would kiss you...

    32. Re:We already have one... by Pseudonym · · Score: 1

      The Japanese call it Tsukuba, and from all reports, it's one of the most depressing places to live in the whole country.

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    33. Re:We already have one... by Pseudonym · · Score: 1

      DARPA's money helped some, but it didn't cause the creation of Oracle [...]

      Indeed. As everyone knows, "Oracle" was originally the code name of a CIA project.

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    34. Re:We already have one... by cyn1c77 · · Score: 1

      but we call ours Los Alamos...

      I thought, we call it "Silicon Valley" — and it didn't need government sponsorship to come into being...

      Yes, Silicon Valley's software has done so much for us... now I can search for porn with google, play better video games, watch Pixar movies, and try to sort out how the personalized Oracle system my company uses managed to fuck up my paycheck again.

      Did I mention that I can do all of this in English and in relative freedom because the Los Alamos scientists figured out how to make the atomic bomb before the Germans and Japanese did? You may not be Jewish, disabled, or gay and thus find it amusing to quote hitler.org, but I am pretty sure he wouldn't have approved of the creativity and freedom that flourished in Silicon Valley... unless it was being done by little blond boys bent on world domination. Ummmm, wait a second...

    35. Re:We already have one... by Cruciform · · Score: 1

      Considering that the US education system is failing, and evangelical religion is on the upswing, just how long do you expect places like Silicon Valley to thrive?

      The smart kids of the next generation are going to get the fuck out of Dodge.

    36. Re:We already have one... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So at what point does the government's general ability to competently implement said proposal factor into your sane calculus? Read some public choice theory.

    37. Re:We already have one... by allgoodnamesaretaken · · Score: 0

      and it's equally hot and sunny, I fear it will stew their poor brains and they will start speaking like bogans...

    38. Re:We already have one... by rtb61 · · Score: 1

      Nor was government support available when the first caveman lit a fire or the first nomad made a wheel or the first hunter made a bow and arrow. Unfortunately most modern research is far more complex, far more costly, requires substantial facilities to conduct and many people working together to achieve. Not only that bust most modern research must be carefully regulated lest some researcher blinded by free market greed sets of a disaster.

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    39. Re:We already have one... by vegiVamp · · Score: 1

      You're being way too sensible here. Stop it !

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    40. Re:We already have one... by dszd0g · · Score: 1
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    41. Re:We already have one... by ultranova · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Nor was government support available when the first caveman lit a fire or the first nomad made a wheel or the first hunter made a bow and arrow.

      Actually, it was; "government" was simply known as Ogg the Chieftain back then.

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    42. Re:We already have one... by ultranova · · Score: 1

      If you think back further, apple orchards started silicon valley.

      When we get right down to it, it was an expedition funded by the King of Spain which made Silicon Valley possible. And since the King of Spain ruled by the divine right of kings, backed by the catholic church, the Pope should get half the credit.

      So, it was an absolute monarch and a leader of a state religion who began Silicon Valley - and in fact, all of American corporations. Chew on that, libertarians :).

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    43. Re:We already have one... by theaveng · · Score: 1

      >>>Unfortunately most modern research is far more complex, far more costly, requires substantial facilities to conduct and many people working together to achieve.

      Which is precisely why government should stay far-away. Adding lays of government bureacracy to the mix is like pouring molasses into the machinery. Its harms the process, not helps it. (I know, I waste half my day dealing with gov't paperwork instead of doing actual work.)

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    44. Re:We already have one... by mi · · Score: 1

      Anyone who points to a few government failures

      A few? Tell me, what is the government doing an acceptable job at, except military and law-enforcement — which even the "nuttiest" Libertarians would leave in the government's domain anyway?

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    45. Re:We already have one... by Facegarden · · Score: 1

      If you think back further, apple orchards started silicon valley.

      When we get right down to it, it was an expedition funded by the King of Spain which made Silicon Valley possible. And since the King of Spain ruled by the divine right of kings, backed by the catholic church, the Pope should get half the credit.

      So, it was an absolute monarch and a leader of a state religion who began Silicon Valley - and in fact, all of American corporations. Chew on that, libertarians :).

      Haha, excellent.
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    46. Re:We already have one... by SeattleGameboy · · Score: 1

      I think any city in a state where Evolution is considered "controversial theory" and would readily teach Intelligent Design if it wasn't for the courts, would be automatically disqualified.

    47. Re:We already have one... by Pope · · Score: 1

      Local college of choice: Solid State.

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    48. Re:We already have one... by Nathan+Boley · · Score: 1

      Does mentioning the Nazi's in your signature mean that I can apply Goodwin's Law to your post?

    49. Re:We already have one... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'd be betting on Los Alamos should the two ever go head to head.

      I am from Los Alamos myself--maybe if we all spread out a bit--we can share the wealth?

    50. Re:We already have one... by Bill_the_Engineer · · Score: 1

      Just because the "christian coalition" and the eagle forum seem to have a strangle hold on the small towns in Alabama, does not mean the cities within the state actually put up with that crap.

      I'm sorta glad for the warning sticker. I'd rather not have the textbooks used in the larger metropolitan areas being censored due to some ignorant rednecks in the sticks of Alabama.

      My daughter's school require book covers to be used on all textbooks (in order to extend their useful life) which conveniently cover the stupid warning sticker...

      But back to the subject on hand, all the scientists in my office would disagree with your humorous remark...

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  3. Birth rate by DrYak · · Score: 5, Funny

    A town entirely full of science geeks ?
    Well, at least they shouldn't expect a very high birth rate...

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    1. Re:Birth rate by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      The problem with this city is that it is far too large. The largest that you can build a stable "brain" city is 5,000. After that point, interference from the various doomsday machines under its soil will make its imminent destruction more and more certain.

    2. Re:Birth rate by BSAtHome · · Score: 1

      Clone away, clone away. Might be an interesting prospect...

    3. Re:Birth rate by TooMuchToDo · · Score: 2, Funny

      But the kids that are born.... I wouldn't want to compete with them to get into a college.

    4. Re:Birth rate by mdarksbane · · Score: 0, Offtopic

      What you get is asperger's and autism :(

    5. Re:Birth rate by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      "What you get is asperger's and autism :("

      That is a big lie, as for Aspergers - Asperger is behaviourally diagnosed, if you have looked at the research you'd know that they put AS on the autistic spectrum so people with AS can receive services... if you follow the literature there are major disputes of how to classify and even diagnose Aspergers in relation to autism.

    6. Re:Birth rate by mdarksbane · · Score: 1

      I thought there were a few studies showing abnormally high rates of aspergers and autism (related or not) in areas with high numbers of tech workers and nerds.

      That said, I'm entirely willing to believe that by the time any of these studies filtered down to the mass media level they were completely disproven or misunderstood. If you have a link to something more accurate on the matter I'd be glad to read it. My understanding of AS and Autism extends to the wikipedia pages and a recent diagnosis of AS of my adult cousin.

    7. Re:Birth rate by rmadmin · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Actually, they've found a very high rate of autism coming from the children in silicon valley. :(

    8. Re:Birth rate by TooMuchToDo · · Score: 1

      Maybe 23andme (genetics company run by a girlfriend of one of the Google founders; also funded by Google) should get on figuring out the cause of that.

    9. Re:Birth rate by BobMcD · · Score: 1

      The genetic links are strong, and would be difficult for any rational person to ignore. I'd wager that those 'areas with high numbers of tech workers and nerds' have a disproportionately high disposition to being on the spectrum in their gene pool.

      That being said, I'd wager that you - yes you reading this now - are on the spectrum somewhere. Some are more extreme than others (such as my youngest son) but the traits are easy to find once you recognize them for what they are. Some people with mild-to-moderate autism would make excellent athletes if their coaches could get them through the adaptation phase. Learning technology at your own pace, however, can be much more forgiving to your social deficiencies.

      Not all nerds have the characteristics, and not all autistics are great at computers, but the traits do line up enough to skew such a study as the ones you're referencing.

    10. Re:Birth rate by Cryogenic+Specter · · Score: 3, Funny

      The problem really is that they will have to import women not the first aussie town to do that!!

    11. Re:Birth rate by pnewhook · · Score: 1

      Actually, they've found a very high rate of autism coming from the children in silicon valley

      Autism rates are up all over North America. Lots of research points to the ridiculous amount of cocktail vaccines that are now given to children. The drugs are approved in isolation but handed out mixed together and no one knows what happens when you combine them.

      Vaccines are fine, and there's nothing wrong in telling your doctor you'd rather have then in single doses, spread out over time. This allows the body to absorb and adapt to them without having to deal with the vaccine soup all at once.

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    12. Re:Birth rate by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yea, but the ISP's will need to upgrade their network lines for all the porn that will be coming down it!

    13. Re:Birth rate by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

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    14. Re:Birth rate by ShadowRangerRIT · · Score: 4, Informative

      Autism rates are up all over North America. Lots of research points to the ridiculous amount of cocktail vaccines that are now given to children. The drugs are approved in isolation but handed out mixed together and no one knows what happens when you combine them.

      Research points to no such thing. Anecdotes point to that. And unfortunately, since autism symptoms appear right around the same time that the vaccines are administered, you get a lovely case of post hoc, ergo propter hoc. Spreading out the vaccines is more likely to reduce the correlation by delaying the vaccines past the point where symptoms occur, and creating periods in a child's life where they are vulnerable to diseases that deafen, deform or kill them.

      The far more likely hypothesis is better screening (and in some cases, false diagnoses) increasing the observed rate. In many cases, one or both parents have a familial history of autistic symptoms, but the lack of a described and well known disorder during their childhood meant they were never diagnosed. The increased incidence in Silicon Valley is likely linked to this; tech geeks tend to fall on the autistic end of the spectrum, so a whole community of tech geeks marrying tends to increase the odds of autistic children.

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    15. Re:Birth rate by Malekin · · Score: 1

      Autism rates are up all over North America. Lots of research points to the ridiculous amount of cocktail vaccines that are now given to children.

      [citation needed]

    16. Re:Birth rate by Mike+Buddha · · Score: 1

      Actually, they've found a very high rate of autism coming from the children in silicon valley

      Autism rates are up all over North America. Lots of research points to the ridiculous amount of cocktail vaccines that are now given to children. The drugs are approved in isolation but handed out mixed together and no one knows what happens when you combine them.

      Vaccines are fine, and there's nothing wrong in telling your doctor you'd rather have then in single doses, spread out over time. This allows the body to absorb and adapt to them without having to deal with the vaccine soup all at once.

      I'm sorry, I think you meant to post this mind-numbing drivel in the Scientific Hoaxes story, not this one.

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    17. Re:Birth rate by kabocox · · Score: 1

      >o?A town entirely full of science geeks ?
      Well, at least they shouldn't expect a very high birth rate...

      Los Alamos Neighborhood Profile
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      Population Growth: 5.1%

      Of course, that could be all the new folks coming in to replace/expand those existing projects...

    18. Re:Birth rate by pnewhook · · Score: 1

      I'm sorry, I think you meant to post this mind-numbing drivel in the Scientific Hoaxes story, not this one.

      And somehow mercury when used as a vaccine preservative and directly injected into the human body is safe?

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    19. Re:Birth rate by pnewhook · · Score: 1
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    20. Re:Birth rate by Mike+Buddha · · Score: 1

      And somehow mercury when used as a vaccine preservative and directly injected into the human body is safe?

      Show evidence otherwise. That's what science is about. It's not about making unsubstantiated claims on the internet, that's for damn sure. Prove that mercury when introduced into the human body in these amounts is a real danger. Cite your sources, please, you've already spouted plenty enough garbage for one day, thanks.

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    21. Re:Birth rate by pnewhook · · Score: 1, Informative

      and creating periods in a child's life where they are vulnerable to diseases that deafen, deform or kill them.

      This is pure fear mongering nonsense. The MMR vaccine is for diseases that doesn't do any of the above. Measels cause no real effects unless your child is immunocompromized, and has been eliminated in North America since 2002. Mumps causes no long term issues and rubella (german measles) also causes no issues. This is of course for children - there are more side effects if an adult gets these.

      This is more about the multi-billion dollar business of dealing prescription drugs than about prevention of any serious illness. And if you do choose to vaccinate, why not just give them one at a time instead of in a drug cocktail? It's not because your child will suddenly die if they dont get immediately immunized as you suggest.

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    22. Re:Birth rate by PitaBred · · Score: 1

      Autism rates might also be up because people are now looking for it. Hell, it was only in the 1940's that it was even starting to be defined. It wasn't until the late 60's that it became a separate condition.

      But then again, ADHD rates are on the rise, too... that's gotta be caused by vaccines too, right? And asthma? Couldn't be anything environmental other than vaccines.

      There is no evidence or research to back up your claim. There is correlation, and that's about it.

    23. Re:Birth rate by Eli+Gottlieb · · Score: 1

      That being said, I'd wager that you - yes you reading this now - are on the spectrum somewhere.

      Actually, no. I have a completely separate genetic issue: a total inefficiency at processing complicated visual stimuli. I score in the 2nd percentile on the visual component of an IQ test (ie: solving visual puzzles). It results in a dismal inability to read faces, which manifests as Aspergers-like social ineptness unless I can use my (absolutely superb) hearing to figure out what's meant.

      The difference is that once I can process something (including people) via audio, I figure it out immediately and intuitively.

      Apparently this is an extreme case of a fairly common genetic quirk in Jews.

    24. Re:Birth rate by Malekin · · Score: 1

      You seem to have misunderstood my concern - I don't doubt that we're diagnosing more cases of autism. I think you need to cite a reliable source for your assertion that it's being caused by child immunisation. This contention stands in direct contradiction to the wikipedia article on Autism, which states "the vaccine hypotheses lack convincing scientific evidence", citing a meta-study published in Acta Paediatrica.

    25. Re:Birth rate by confusedneutrino · · Score: 1

      I'd expect them to breed very prodigiously...

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    26. Re:Birth rate by Bender0x7D1 · · Score: 1

      Measels cause no real effects unless your child is immunocompromized, and has been eliminated in North America since 2002. Mumps causes no long term issues and rubella (german measles) also causes no issues.

      Well, from the Wikipedia page for Measles

      Globally, measles deaths are down 60 percent, from an estimated 873,000 deaths in 1999 to 345,000 in 2005. Africa has seen the most success, with annual measles deaths falling by 75 percent in just 5 years, from an estimated 506,000 to 126,000.

      That seems like a lot of people dying from measles - even if it is only the immunocompromized. If we consider the U.S. has ~5% of the worlds population, then we could expect an approximate increase of: (873,000-345,000) / 20 = 26,400 deaths if we quit the vaccinations. That seems like an awful large number of preventable deaths. (Yes, I know I made a few assumptions, but it's probably a ballpark figure.)

      And if you do choose to vaccinate, why not just give them one at a time instead of in a drug cocktail?

      The reason they are given all at once is most parents don't follow through on a proper vaccination schedule. So, when the child comes in, they give them as many as possible because the risk of interactions is less than the risks of missing vaccinations.

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    27. Re:Birth rate by UserChrisCanter4 · · Score: 1

      To nitpick:

      Measles has been "eliminated" in the US since 2002; that is, indigenous measles has been eliminated. Outbreaks have occurred since then due to imported strains and poor vaccination practices. People can and do routinely encounter these diseases overseas and bring them back. Unless we pull of a worldwide elimination a la smallpox or prevent people from traveling, the fact that measles doesn't exist in our part of the world doesn't mean we're safe from it.

      Mumps can and does cause both sterility and hearing loss. Those results are rare, admittedly, but they do exist.

      Both of the diseases are far, far more likely to cause bad outcomes for adults than children. This is one of the big reasons why we vaccinate - the herd effect helps protect adults whose natural or vaccine-provided immunity has faded.

      Why not give them out one at a time? That seems obvious - get the patient in and take care of everything at once. Further, wouldn't a one-at-a-time solution eliminate the economy of scale discount and lend MORE credence to your "multi-billion dollar business" scheme?

    28. Re:Birth rate by mjwx · · Score: 1

      This is pure fear mongering nonsense.

      Not entirely. You're thinking entirely in the context of first world western countries, in places such as Laos, Cambodia and other parts of SE Asia that lack successful immunisation programs children still get permanent disabilities from diseases such as Polio which is not an issue in western society. Measles can do significant damage if left untreated as in third world countries even basic medical care is beyond the affordability of the average family.

      To say that diseases are eradicated is disingenuous at best, first because they exist in other parts of the world and can be transported and secondly that some diseases can remain dormant for decades. With regards to your last point, I live in Australia where immunisations are part of the socialised medical program, whilst some are mandatory (MMR for example), many are optional (Tetanus) they are covered under Medicare so the government basically gets to dictate the price (within reason) to the pharmaceutical companies. Immunisations are generally a good thing but should be limited and are limited when a medical program is properly managed.

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    29. Re:Birth rate by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Actually, they've found a very high rate of autism coming from the children in silicon valley. :(

      It's from all of that exposure to silicon.

    30. Re:Birth rate by martinX · · Score: 1

      And if you do choose to vaccinate, why not just give them one at a time instead of in a drug cocktail?

      You don't have kids, do you? Little hint: the fewer needles they have, the less it hurts and the less they cry.

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    31. Re:Birth rate by kilgor · · Score: 0

      Spreading out the vaccines is more likely to reduce the correlation by delaying the vaccines past the point where symptoms occur, and creating periods in a child's life where they are vulnerable to diseases that deafen, deform or kill them.

      As a parent you want to do everything possible to keep your child safe, and it can be extremely difficult to filter all of the fear pumped out by the media (and the nut jobs).

      Delaying or spreading out some vaccines is a far better alternative to ignoring the correlation and having a huge backlash from the irrational fear of parents. My neighbors are now home-schooling their kids because they refused vaccines and the local schools won't allow them to attend.

    32. Re:Birth rate by hengist · · Score: 1

      > This is pure fear mongering nonsense. The MMR vaccine is for diseases that doesn't do any of the above. Measels cause no real effects
      > unless your child is immunocompromized, and has been eliminated in North America since 2002

      The father of an ex-girlfriend of mine was deaf due a childhood bout of measles. This was before the measles vaccine was available, of course.

      Measles still exists in other parts of the world, what happens if a carrier gets on a plane to the US, and people have stopped vaccinating?

      Vaccines have nothing to do with autism. Absolutely nothing. There is absolutely no evidence that vaccines cause autism, and anyone who tells you otherwise is either an idiot or a liar.

    33. Re:Birth rate by Sockatume · · Score: 1

      Indeed, measles was on the back foot in the UK from the early 1990s. This year it was declared endemic once more due to low immunisation rates caused by our own vacciation scare (MMR-causes-autism, the antecendent of the US's current vaccines-cause-autism). Given the amount of UK-US mixing going on, it will be trivial for measels to re-establish itself in the US in about five years when vaccination levels hit 80%-ish. (I'm basing this on the timeline of the UK's own vaccine scare and subsequent epidemics.)

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    34. Re:Birth rate by ShadowRangerRIT · · Score: 1

      You know, it is possible, if a bit of a hassle and more costly, to get the vaccines separately. Why make non-insane parents spend more money and time vaccinating their kids by mandating a separation of the MMR components when the paranoid still have the option to separate them? People who avoid the vaccines right now are often doing so for reasons unrelated to autism. I had a college buddy whose parents told him that only people who received vaccinations were susceptible to HIV/AIDS. These are not rational beliefs, and acquiescing to them just gives them legitimacy, leading less paranoid parents to buy into them.

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  4. Eureka by mfh · · Score: 2, Informative

    I thought nerds preferred the cold dark of their parents basements or garages, to any kind of socialization? This will be an awkward experiment in itself. I'll bet you that only pseudo-nerds get in and they spend all the grant money on Warcraft gold, and sheep pr0n.

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    1. Re:Eureka by 93+Escort+Wagon · · Score: 5, Funny

      I thought nerds preferred the cold dark of their parents basements or garages, to any kind of socialization?

      Didn't you read the summary? They're "looking to attract 4,500 of the brightest scientists from around the world" for a city that's supposed "to hold at least 10,000 people". So obviously they're accounting for all the parents as well.

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    2. Re:Eureka by The+Gaytriot · · Score: 1

      Not to mention the multitude of people it would take to do all the dirty work that comes along with maintaining a city.

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    3. Re:Eureka by Jeff+Hornby · · Score: 1

      All the houses are going to be just an empty room above ground with an extensive basement complex. You have the choice of the basement of the Sheriff from Eureka or Kevin Smith form the last Die Hard.

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    4. Re:Eureka by OldeTimeGeek · · Score: 4, Interesting

      An amusing meme, but far from the truth. From a history of Los Alamos Lab :

      One resident recalled that "the Hill dwellers were amateur everything: hikers, riders, photographers, ethnographers, mineralogists, musicians, and artists-craftsmen in all assorted fields. Saturday nights they partied and square danced. Sundays they fished or exploited their hobbies."

      The parties were frequent and well attended. Resident Jean Bacher recalled that "Saturday nights, the mesa rocked... fenced in as we were, our social life was a pipeline through which we let off steam."


      Some of the most brilliant minds of the last century seemed perfectly capable of having fun together and blowing off steam. Maybe this time there will be more LAN parties than square dances, but people will figure out how to get together.

    5. Re:Eureka by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They're "looking to attract 4,500 of the brightest scientists from around the world" for a city that's supposed "to hold at least 10,000 people". So obviously they're accounting for all the parents as well.

      You think they are recruiting the brightest scientists at a very young age, do you?

    6. Re:Eureka by gambino21 · · Score: 1

      Damn, I thought it meant they would have robot wives there for us.

    7. Re:Eureka by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You'd better believe it. The same is very true of CERN, they have dozens of social clubs and there are parties held by different organisations, groups, charities and ne'er-do-wells on site pretty much every night of the week.

      We may like our isolation from the meddelings of the outside world, but that doesn't mean we choose not to party.

    8. Re:Eureka by mjwx · · Score: 4, Funny

      Saturday nights they partied and square danced.

      These are not the actions of normal people.

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    9. Re:Eureka by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The macho "the less you socialise, the more serious you are about your genius" self image is a modern fiction that reassures antisocial kids that even if they live in their basements and play WoW all day, they'll still achieve great things. Really most of the great technical and scientific minds had very active social lives and a broad range of hobbies, Feynman and Einstein being good examples. It's possible to be a nerd and do amazing things, but I personally went through a phase where I thought it was an essential part of living a successful life. It's quite the opposite.

  5. Reallys? by Zephyrmation · · Score: 2, Funny

    Sounds like funs!

  6. Hmm... good idea... by abroadwin · · Score: 5, Interesting

    ...keep all of our best and brightest in one location. What could possibly go wrong?

    1. Re:Hmm... good idea... by jollyreaper · · Score: 4, Funny

      ...keep all of our best and brightest in one location. What could possibly go wrong?

      When the oil runs out, they'll be kicking the asses of the marauding biker gangs with their soy-powered roadsters?

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    2. Re:Hmm... good idea... by Loibisch · · Score: 1

      You could increase security for that town, essentially making everyone living elsewhere a second-class citizen.

    3. Re:Hmm... good idea... by 0100010001010011 · · Score: 3, Informative

      We already tried it, New Harmony, IN.

      They tried it twice. Once a group of 'doers' and no thinkers and again with a group of 'thinkers' and no doers. Both failed.

    4. Re:Hmm... good idea... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      News flash Crime in Eureka

      Dr Hen said he put a radioisotope in his wife Dr Wu soup because she was cheating with the robot gardener

    5. Re:Hmm... good idea... by PolygamousRanchKid+ · · Score: 1

      They tried it twice. Once a group of 'doers' and no thinkers and again with a group of 'thinkers' and no doers. Both failed.

      Well, how about then trying it with a bunch of folks who are neither 'thinkers' nor 'doers'? The world seems to have an abundance of them.

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    6. Re:Hmm... good idea... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Perhaps because the distinction between doers and thinkers is pretty stupid to begin with? Does CERN differentiate?

    7. Re:Hmm... good idea... by crimsonshdw · · Score: 1

      So they tried once under a Republican body and then again under a Democratic one?

    8. Re:Hmm... good idea... by ZorbaTHut · · Score: 1

      No, he said that one group was "thinkers". :D

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    9. Re:Hmm... good idea... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ...keep all of our best and brightest in one location. What could possibly go wrong?

      Nothing, nothing at all. My cleric carries all my healing potions too, especially on cliffs. Whose going to heal him if he falls to his death if he's not carrying all the healing po.........

    10. Re:Hmm... good idea... by Cyner · · Score: 1

      How could they possibly communicate and colaborate without the close proximity to eachother? If only someone could invent some way to communicate electronically, they could use pre-existing infrastructure even. I'll call this new invention Internet2!

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  7. welcome to 50 years ago by bornyesterday · · Score: 5, Insightful
    1. Re:welcome to 50 years ago by JoeMerchant · · Score: 1

      And tomorrow: Cuba!

    2. Re:welcome to 50 years ago by LWATCDR · · Score: 1

      Or what Walt Disney dreamed EPCOT would be. Too bad after he died they turned EPCOT into a worlds fair that never ends.

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    3. Re:welcome to 50 years ago by Cryogenic+Specter · · Score: 1

      At first glance, I thought this was the research TRAILER park. heh.

    4. Re:welcome to 50 years ago by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Unfortunately, RTP wasn't built to be sustainable. It wasn't built to take into account traffic patterns of going to work and going home. Such a large majority of jobs in Raleigh-Durham-Cary are held in RTP, that the only two kinds of traffic you have in the area are: Jam, and Empty. Jam in the morning is I-40 going west, and I440 going south. Jam in the evening is I40 going east, and I440 going north. Any other time and it's practically empty - because there's no where else for people to go, except to work and back home again to their McMansions.

      If RTP was designed around sustainable, mixed-use buildings it might have been an attractive place to live. As it stands, I moved out when I was old enough because I couldn't take the traffic, I couldn't take the lack of culture (the museums were all right, but the only thing the only large venue in the area ever booked was John Tesh, and the Allman Brothers once), the sameness (five and a door), the lack of community (outside church), and so on and so forth.

      I'm fairly certain that if RTP were planned today - as a sustainable, mixed-use establishment, where automobile use is rarely needed and walking and public transportation abound - moving the farming it would displace onto the roofs of the buildings - and so on and so forth, it would be a great success. Today, RTP is still considered a great success, but I don't think it's sustainable. At some point the strip malls and miles of parking lot are going to crumble.

      The other big issue is that it is nigh impossible to actually design a decent public transportation system for the area. RTP is so spread out, it would need a transportation system of its own - and then connecting transportation to the various municiples. It would be horribly inefficient, incredibly costly, and barely used. If RTP was planned as a community instead of a collection of low-rise glass office buildings in a park-like setting (park-like, because there are real parks in the area - like Bond park and the park around Jordan lake - and RTP's park-like atmosphere is due to careful landscaping, not nature. It's as fake as the rest of the area), none of this would even be an issue.

      And Wal*Mart probably wouldn't have such a stranglehold on the local retail.

  8. Australia the perfect place by omfglearntoplay · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Because it is fairly isolated. If it gets blown up, space-time torn, or radiated, there is less chance of contamination to other continents.

    1. Re:Australia the perfect place by kingturkey · · Score: 1

      I live in Brisbane, you insensitive clod; I wouldn't enjoy being radiated!

  9. Sounds like what the Soviets did by CRCulver · · Score: 5, Interesting

    One of the most interesting decisions in Soviet science was the establishment of Akademgorodok, an enclave outside Novosibirsk dedicated entirely to scientists (see e.g. Josephson's New Atlantis Revisited published by Princeton University Press). I don't understand why that wasn't more popular in Western countries. Maybe sciences move ahead when you give scientists peace, a sense of respect and dignity, and ability to manage their own work. Of course, generous funding is essential, lest it all go down the tubes.

    1. Re:Sounds like what the Soviets did by bornyesterday · · Score: 2, Interesting

      why wasn't more popular in western countries?

      looking in from outside, it's hard to tell the difference between a voluntary relocation of scientists to akademgorodok and a forced relocation of scientists to the gulag

    2. Re:Sounds like what the Soviets did by Chukcha · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Western countries didn't have Stalin's paranoia. Stalin moved so many scientists to Akademgorodok (Academic Village) in deep Siberia in order to segregate and more easily control them.

      Oh, and they did breed. Some of the smartest young Russians I've met were born and raised in Akademgorodok.

    3. Re:Sounds like what the Soviets did by DeadDecoy · · Score: 5, Interesting

      I think we already have something like this to the degree that it can exist and they're called universities. I actually think this isn't a very good idea. The premise is that smart people are naturally gifted and if, herded into a small enclosure, will develop good things. The true value of smart people, however, is not the gadgets they can develop, but the education they can distribute to their surrounding communities. If the city does not train new minds, or allow the 'less intelligent' to be trained, then it will probably stifle the growth of intellectual resources. If it does do research and train you people who show sufficient academic prowess, then it's simply a university town.

    4. Re:Sounds like what the Soviets did by CRCulver · · Score: 1

      I don't think it's reasonable to demand that intellectuals be pedagogues when 1) not everyone has the talent to teach, 2) many of them shouldn't be distracted from their research, and 3) teaching at universities is overrated when so many subjects can be learnt from a book in a course directed by a TA.

    5. Re:Sounds like what the Soviets did by azgard · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Actually, it's very reasonable. Soviets also tried to separate scientists into academies (which were research-oriented) and universities (which were teaching-oriented). And this system is not good, because the real good scientists cannot capture young people soon enough. We have remnants of such a system in Czech Republic, and the people from academies are competing to teach, because that way they can get fresh minds. It's not a good idea at all to separate teaching and research.

    6. Re:Sounds like what the Soviets did by DeadDecoy · · Score: 1
      I agree with you for the most part. I was really making a comment what the expectations of the town should be, not the inhabitants. Mainly that, if it doesn't some plan distributing and reproducing knowledge, then it will lose that knowledge as the older, 'gifted' intellectuals die out.

      1) not everyone has the talent to teach

      You're never too young to learn.

      2) many of them shouldn't be distracted from their research

      If they don't teach, how are they going to train a team of lab monkeys to do their bidding. The benefits of teaching are that you can train people to do your busy work :).

      3) teaching at universities is overrated when so many subjects can be learnt from a book in a course directed by a TA.

      You do make a valid point that smart people's time might be wasted on teaching low level material, it could also be said that they are not teaching the material alone. Good teachers can infect their students with enthusiasm and help them learn how to learn (e.g. using mnemonic or technique to understand the material).
      All that being said, I still think education is a smart person's greatest contribution.

    7. Re:Sounds like what the Soviets did by khellendros1984 · · Score: 1

      It seems to me like you should use intelligent people based on their type of intelligence...some would be better at teaching, some better at original research, and some better at doing the mundane work like corporate programming, etc.

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    8. Re:Sounds like what the Soviets did by raju1kabir · · Score: 1

      why wasn't more popular in western countries?

      Because it doesn't work. This kind of idea could only come from someone who didn't understand cities at all.

      They are organic creatures, and attempts to create them from the top down by fiat always end up in depressing Canberra/Brasilia/Putrajaya failures -- Places that people only live in because:
      A) They are not special people but the government is providing a subsidy to get someone, anyone in there.
      B) They are special people and the government is coercing them (at some level) to live there.

      This gets you a toxic brew of malaise and discontent which results in a dull, lifeless shell of a city. It's exactly the opposite of what you need in order to stimulate maximum innovation and discovery.

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    9. Re:Sounds like what the Soviets did by zobier · · Score: 1

      I don't think it's reasonable to demand that intellectuals be pedagogues

      Or andragogues even.

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    10. Re:Sounds like what the Soviets did by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The true value of smart people, however, is not the gadgets they can develop, but the education they can distribute to their surrounding communities.

      That's only part of the value of having smart people around.

      There is significant additional value in having smart people exposed to one another's ideas.

      You really need both effects, though. If individual smart people are dispersed in a herd, then most of the herd will ignore the beanie-head, who will gradually learn to keep his mouth shut. Anti-intellectualism has a long history in the United State, Russia, and China - superpower status notwithstanding.

      OTOH, if the smart people keep talking to one another in an ivory tower, the inventiveness won't leak out into broader society where it can have some more immediate practical benefit.

      What's best is to have enclaves like universities, but then to provide strong incentives for dispersing good ideas (eg, SBIRs, STTRs).

  10. Pft... by martin_henry · · Score: 1

    As an Aus citizen, let me just say that I'll be happy to stay in NSW.
    Mainly to avoid the dolphins with lasers they might create.

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    1. Re:Pft... by X0563511 · · Score: 1, Offtopic

      Tell that blogger to fix his damn MIME types. Fucking force-download a jpg...

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    2. Re:Pft... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      As a QLD'er, I can safely say we don't want any more of you up here :) Thanks,

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  11. goodluckwiththat by owlnation · · Score: 5, Insightful

    So... you want intelligent people to move to Australia?

    This, being the same Australia that's introducing filtering and censorship to its entire Internet?

    Yeah, good luck with that... Oh, and enjoy your forthcoming Dark Age.

    1. Re:goodluckwiththat by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      Not only that, nearly everything down there is poisonous. Spiders that will kill you as soon as look at you. Spiders bigger than your head eating birds. Many of the top 10 venomous snakes are Australian. They have deadly jellyfish, octopus, they even have a venomous mammal. And if all that weren't enough, they imported a poisonous toad!

      Would intelligent people move to Australia?

      I keed I keed. Sort of. Still, those spiders really give me the willies. Giant orb, huntsman, funnelweb, red back, white tail... *shudder*

    2. Re:goodluckwiththat by Atriqus · · Score: 1

      I'd be too much of a nervous wreck watching out for the world's deadliest... everything to worry about internet censorship.

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    3. Re:goodluckwiththat by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      that bird eating orb spider and the huntsman may look freaky, but they are not considered dangerous to humans. unless you count the car crashes resulting from the driver noticing such a spider scurrying around in the car. douche

    4. Re:goodluckwiththat by elrous0 · · Score: 1

      You forgot the crocodile, aka the really pissed-off giant alligator. Even worse though are the hotheaded anti-American rednecks looking for a fight in every damn bar you go into.

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    5. Re:goodluckwiththat by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Oh, don't worry. There's plenty of intelligent people already living in Australia.

      I'm sure anyone with intelligence greater than a monkey will be able to work around the filter in minutes.

    6. Re:goodluckwiththat by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The problem with this is: The truely smart and successful people today are ultra mobile.

      They can chose to live wherever they want on the planet.

      Why on earth would they want to live anywhere in Autralia? Any other incentives that are not available in common areas today?

      Last time we tried this, there were Beaches, Mountains, National Parks, and several Universities. The result: Silicon Valley.

      Unfortunately now this magical place has been taken over by "free riders" and "bean counters".

      Where are we going next?

    7. Re:goodluckwiththat by PolygamousRanchKid+ · · Score: 1

      Would intelligent people move to Australia?

      Well, I don't know why intelligent people would move there, but with all those dangerous varmints, critters and creepy-crawlers around ... the folks that have survived there must be smart enough not to mess with Mother Nature.

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    8. Re:goodluckwiththat by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I wasn't aware you'd end up in the sillyfilters from doing scientific work?

      Of course, a city of scientists would probably merited being hooked up to Internet2 with a few new cables being pulled to Australia.

      All of a sudden, they'd join The Rest Of The World(TM)* in having decent net access.

      Intelligent people SHOULD be interested in moving there:
      * Sexy, short women (no, not little people -- 160+ cm)
      * Awesome beer
      * Women with green eyes (yes, a lot of Australians tend to have green eyes)
      * Great weather
      * Far away from America
      * Awesome wines
      * Most of the year, the women you talk to are already half naked

    9. Re:goodluckwiththat by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

      Hey that's simply not true! I'm in Australia and have never heard anything about this so-called censorship.

    10. Re:goodluckwiththat by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's what they need a city of brainy people for. Their charter is to build a machine that will be able to sort out the good political policies from the bad ones.

      They did build a prototype in Canberra and asked it to make good policies for them, and the first policy it came up with was to build a city of brainy people in Queensland. The second policy was just '42'.

  12. Why is this a good idea? by Shaitan+Apistos · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I haven't seen the show, so forgive me if the writers have handled my objections in some clever fashion in one of the episodes, but..

    I don't see the upside to this, it's easier now than ever before for people to collaborate remotely, negating much of the need for being in the same physical location.

    I do see a downside to this, putting all our intellectual eggs in one basket makes a pretty attractive target for terrorists, whether they be Islamic, Luddite, or some other group in the future that isn't particularly keen on progress or reason as a means of dealing with reality.

    1. Re:Why is this a good idea? by Lord+Ender · · Score: 2, Insightful

      To your first point: Science stagnates if all meetings are via webex. You need scientists of different disciplines meeting at the bar to really advance human knowledge.

      To your second point: it saddens me that everything is viewed through the lens of terrorism these days. Give it up. Terrorism will happen no matter what; we shouldn't design our lives around it.

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    2. Re:Why is this a good idea? by elrous0 · · Score: 1

      You haven't missed anything. The show sucks. It's just a platform for a formulaic "weird crisis of the week" show (like the X-files, only without the brilliance of a Darin Morgan to write the occasional decent episode). And the "science" of the show is exactly what you would expect from 3rd-tier Hollywood writers (some sporadic meaningless jargon thrown in to explain something happening that essentially just an excuse to show off some cool special effects--a la Star Trek).

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    3. Re:Why is this a good idea? by Amazing+Quantum+Man · · Score: 1

      Yeah, but every episode gets the "whatcouldpossiblygowrong" tag.

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  13. Location of the city by aapold · · Score: 2, Funny

    The city is planned to be built west of the city of Brisbane, in Queensland.

    Instead of building it west of Brisbane, they should build it east of Brisbane, where they can be free from outside influence.

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    1. Re:Location of the city by Saffaya · · Score: 1

      Er .. East of Brisbane means the pacific ocean ...

    2. Re:Location of the city by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      woosh?

    3. Re:Location of the city by WeblionX · · Score: 1

      It will be in a giant bubble, and have its own high-speed Internet backbone to avoid the troubles the rest of Australia has. Following this, it'll also be a place for gamers to go for LAN parties and other conventions! Oh, and it makes it easier for everyone to have sharks with lasers.

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    4. Re:Location of the city by JStegmaier · · Score: 1

      WHOOSH

    5. Re:Location of the city by dosun88888 · · Score: 1

      I hear that people are working on this already: http://www.seasteading.org/

  14. Didn't the Soviets do this? by Wee · · Score: 1

    I seem to recall these sorts of things ending badly for the inhabitants when gov't funding dried up after the collapse of the USSR. Hopefully, Australia's economy can keep something like this afloat...

    -B

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    1. Re:Didn't the Soviets do this? by Trent+Hawkins · · Score: 1

      On top of bad funding the other problems was that a lot of the discoveries just ended up gathering dust in a warehouse.

      It's hard to tell which invention will be the next segway and with bureaucrats deciding what project gets funding a lot of the good inventions got canned. I'm sure there's more then one pair of functioning rocket boots that are currently rusting away in some Russian vault.

  15. In Soviet Russia? (Akademgorodok) by Moridineas · · Score: 3, Informative

    Sounds a bit like http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Akademgorodok except actually open and international. (also not in Siberia)

  16. Yeah, welcome to the club by Stile+65 · · Score: 0, Redundant

    Kinda like Akademgorodok?

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  17. It's not a typo by RandomUsername99 · · Score: 2, Funny

    It's not a typo in the headline, it was submitted by "Tokey" from Metalocalypse.

    1. Re:It's not a typo by mooingyak · · Score: 1

      And that makes it not a typo?

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    2. Re:It's not a typo by cparker15 · · Score: 1

      Whoosh!

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    3. Re:It's not a typo by mooingyak · · Score: 1

      I'll confess, whoosh. I still don't get it.

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    4. Re:It's not a typo by soliptic · · Score: 1

      That dudes from the cartoons Metalocalypse has a vocal tick wheres he pluralises everythings. Basically.

    5. Re:It's not a typo by mooingyak · · Score: 1

      Well now that makes senses.

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  18. Umm... by xaoslaad · · Score: 1, Insightful

    Does anybody else think this is an extremely bad idea? Let's put all the best and brightest minds in ONE PLACE...

    I didn't RTFA but did any of these asshats consult the best and brightest minds before they decided penning them all in in one place for any singe natural disaster or attack of any sort to take them out in one fell swoop....

    1. Re:Umm... by Bensam123 · · Score: 1

      Library of Alexandria, what?

      Plus who wouldn't want all the smartest people in their country? Australia knows how to stroke egos.

    2. Re:Umm... by gmuslera · · Score: 1

      Try to see it in a more broad sense...

      People is already happy having all, from the best and the brightest minds, to the worst ones, in ONE PLANET, and think that any investment in space is a waste. So for them should be nothing wrong with that city.

    3. Re:Umm... by evanbd · · Score: 1

      How often are towns of 10000 destroyed by natural disaster? How many terrorist groups or rogue nations have the ability to destroy a small town?

  19. Not entirely true by Weaselmancer · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I thought nerds preferred the cold dark of their parents basements or garages, to any kind of socialization?

    Not entirely true. Geeks love to be around geeks, and only get awkward in the general population. We nerds are highly gregarious whenever we're in friendly company.

    As an example go check out a gaming convention.

    BTW, I think this town sounds like a lot of fun. I'm probably not bright/geeky enough to be invited to live there, but it would be cool to visit. I'm betting it would be worth it just for all the little inside jokes you'd see around. I'll bet the graffiti alone would be worth it.

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    1. Re:Not entirely true by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Some nerds, but not all. They better restrict access to the beaches to a certain number of days a week or nothing will get done. Oddly enough the captcha for this was snorkle....

  20. Artificial towns fail by Kohath · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Towns and cities are located and populated naturally. Towns are near a river or a port or an important crossroads. Or they grew up from nothing over the course of many decades. The people that live there settled there for natural reasons, usually related to jobs and opportunity.

    Towns can be created artificially. Almost every attempt to do it is a failure though. Success usually takes HUGE amounts of money and some other factor to draw people to the location. This one claims to have the money, but they probably don't have enough. And it seems to lack any other incentive to draw folks there.

    1. Re:Artificial towns fail by hoggoth · · Score: 4, Informative

      Yeah, you couldn't just artifically make a city in the middle of nowhere and have it grow

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    2. Re:Artificial towns fail by Ostracus · · Score: 1

      "Towns can be created artificially. Almost every attempt to do it is a failure though. "

      Communes. Now what will this town give the intellectual community that it doesn't have, or could have with a more modest effort?

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    3. Re:Artificial towns fail by greg_barton · · Score: 1

      Here's a counter example for you.

    4. Re:Artificial towns fail by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Towns can be created artificially. Almost every attempt to do it is a failure though.

      There are plenty of planning communities that work quite well.

    5. Re:Artificial towns fail by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Saying that something like population congregation occurs "naturally" has no explanatory value whatsoever. You might as well have said "magic does it."

    6. Re:Artificial towns fail by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The capital of Australia, Canberra, was an artificially created city.

    7. Re:Artificial towns fail by Twisted64 · · Score: 1
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    8. Re:Artificial towns fail by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I was really surprised that link didn't go to Las Vegas.

    9. Re:Artificial towns fail by RustinHWright · · Score: 1

      Almost every attempt to do it is a failure though.

      Citation needed.

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    10. Re:Artificial towns fail by Breakfast+Pants · · Score: 1

      Yeah, you can just slap down some stone markers on a 10 mile by 10 mile square and call it a city.

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    11. Re:Artificial towns fail by bigbird · · Score: 1

      This is part of the city of Brisbane, about 13 km from the city center. There's a lot of Brisbane suburbia close by already.

      It's more of a new suburb for Brisbane rather than a new town. Also, we've got a shortage of residential land in Brisbane so there's plenty of incentive.

      And it is a beautiful spot right next to the Brisbane river.

    12. Re:Artificial towns fail by maglor_83 · · Score: 2, Informative

      Or an example a little closer to the proposed location.

    13. Re:Artificial towns fail by kingturkey · · Score: 1

      Canberra too. But to be fair national capitals where government workers are required to go are hardly a proper comparison. Are there any examples that weren't created as seats of government?

    14. Re:Artificial towns fail by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah, you couldn't just artificially make a city http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Las_Vegas in the middle of nowhere and have it grow

    15. Re:Artificial towns fail by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Not a fair example, that town took (and still takes) shitloads of cash to mantain.

    16. Re:Artificial towns fail by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Australians have a history of doing this... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canberra

    17. Re:Artificial towns fail by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah, don't forget St. Petersburg

    18. Re:Artificial towns fail by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Oh but there is incentive to draw them there. _A lot_ of people from North America & Europe want to live in Australia.

      For reference I'm a graduate of the University in question and lived near the proposed site for this project for about 15 years (and will return as soon as I can). Australia is renowned for the lifestyle and the weather and Brisbane really has among the best of both. The area in question is semi-rural with clean air and close access to a large city. Living somewhere is about more than career advancement and job opportunities - it is about living.

      When I read about this my first thought was that they would have no trouble filling the places.

    19. Re:Artificial towns fail by Monchanger · · Score: 1

      Don't hurt his brain. Use shorter answers:

      Vegas.

  21. Wait ... it's not here? by pseudonomous · · Score: 1
    1. Re:Wait ... it's not here? by osu-neko · · Score: 1

      Nope, not Eureka, CA. They never explicitly say where, but it's obviously somewhere in the Pacific Northwest and it's implied in a few places to be in Oregon.

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  22. I found it by mcgrew · · Score: 1

    Eureka!

    Most scientific advances don't start with the phrase "eureka" but rather, "that's odd".

    1. Re:I found it by Professr3 · · Score: 2, Funny

      Funny, I thought that phrase was better used for romantic advances...

    2. Re:I found it by dedazo · · Score: 1

      Or the timeless "holy shit!"

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    3. Re:I found it by mcgrew · · Score: 1

      When you find it, SHE'LL be the one doing the exclaiming.

    4. Re:I found it by uigrad_2000 · · Score: 1

      My brother works in Eureka, IL, (pop. 4871) and I think that it could easily be retrofitted into the type of community they have proposed.

      Eureka, IL already has some historical significance.
      It hosts Eureka College, which is Ronald Reagan's alma mater.

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    5. Re:I found it by mcgrew · · Score: 1

      I didn't even know we had a Eureka here!

  23. Brain City? Have you seen that show? by jeffmeden · · Score: 1, Interesting

    This sounds more like Research Triangle Park, Silicon Valley, CERN, or many other university backed commercial regions.
     
      Call me when they have that invisible bridge thing working.

  24. They should make the city underwater... by Faw · · Score: 4, Funny

    ...and let scientist do research in any field they want without goverment intervention. What could go wrong?

    1. Re:They should make the city underwater... by BornAgainSlakr · · Score: 1

      Russell Franklin: Just what the hell did you do to those sharks?

      Dr. Susan McCallister: Their brains weren't large enough to harvest sufficient amounts of the protein complex. So we violated the Harvard Compact. Jim and I used gene therapies to increase their brain mass. A larger brain means more protein. As a side effect the sharks got smarter.

      Russell Franklin: All right people, these sharks are thinking, hard and clear. So here's the riddle. What does an eight thousand pound mako shark with a brain the size of a flat head V8 engine and no natural predators think about?

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    2. Re:They should make the city underwater... by Big_Monkey_Bird · · Score: 1

      That's your solution to everything: Live under the sea.

    3. Re:They should make the city underwater... by vdgmr1213 · · Score: 1

      Is a man not entitled to the sweat of his brow? 'No!' says the man in Washington, 'It belongs to the poor.' 'No!' says the man in the Vatican, 'It belongs to God.' 'No!' says the man in Moscow, 'It belongs to everyone.' I rejected those answers; instead, I chose something different. I chose the impossible. I chose... Rapture, a city where the artist would not fear the censor, where the scientist would not be bound by petty morality, Where the great would not be constrained by the small! And with the sweat of your brow, Rapture can become your city as well.

    4. Re:They should make the city underwater... by Abstrackt · · Score: 1

      Sweat of my brow? Eh, the price is too high.

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    5. Re:They should make the city underwater... by Faw · · Score: 1

      I'm missing one point, would you kindly moderate me up...

    6. Re:They should make the city underwater... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Give global warming about 50 more years, and it will be. It's all part of the grand plan!

    7. Re:They should make the city underwater... by uberjack · · Score: 1

      There'll be no accusations - just friendly crustaceans!

  25. Becomes? by sveard · · Score: 1

    Slashdot editors will have to take a grammar test before being allowed access to the city..

    1. Re:Becomes? by Loibisch · · Score: 1

      Slashdot editors should have to take a grammar test before being allowed to access the site. Or maybe a test if they're drunk, very much like this test.

  26. you won't get a town full of smart people by circletimessquare · · Score: 5, Insightful

    you'll get a town full of people who have a desperate and ego-driven need to be seen as smart

    kind of like joining mensa. anyone who needs that sort of attention and reinforcement is not exactly niels bohr

    the smart guys in any room are always low key and in the back, not attention whores

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    1. Re:you won't get a town full of smart people by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Glad somebody pointed that out. The sandstones in this country are media whores and arrogant enough to think that this will work.

    2. Re:you won't get a town full of smart people by netelder · · Score: 1

      Let's make it half scientists, and half Slashdotters.

      The scientists can be at the front of the room making all the noise and getting all the attention, while the Slashdotters can be at the back of the room snagging the occasional good idea as it flies past, and getting things done.

      It worked for Bell Labs.....

    3. Re:you won't get a town full of smart people by RustinHWright · · Score: 2, Insightful

      the smart guys in any room are always low key and in the back, not attention whores

      Citation needed.

      Or I could just start talking about the "low key" personalities of Franz Liszt, Amadeus Mozart, Richard Feynman, Esther Dyson, F. Scott Fitzgerald . . .

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    4. Re:you won't get a town full of smart people by ITEric · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I rather think you would get a mix of personalities the same as anywhere. Sure, you would get some people with the need to be seen as smart, but many with that desire would avoid it for the same reason. After all, you'd probably also have some jerks making fun of the "moron" with the IQ of 130. On the other hand, there are plenty of smart people who sincerely enjoy the intellectual stimulation of interaction with other smart people. Where else would you find so many intellectual superiors to challenge you to improve your understanding of life, the universe, and everything? (well, besides /.)

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    5. Re:you won't get a town full of smart people by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      I was gonna say 'the smart guys in any room don't ever say always'. But your response will do nicely.

      BTW, speaking as someone that is regularly described by colleagues and friends as the smartest guy in the room, I do tend to be low key and in the back. But that's just because when I was a kid being smart tended to get me beaten up. I therefore work hard at blending into the crowd.

      Once the crowd and I get to know each other... I talk. Ask questions. And all hope of being the low key guy in the back of the room goes to hell in a handbasket until the next time I'm in a room full of strangers.

      There's truth here, but history is riddled with brilliant extroverts, including the exceptions you listed. Except for Esther. Freeman was freakin' brillant... I'm not so impressed with her. Could we substitute in Edsger Dijkstra instead? He'd chuckle at the idea of a fictional town to go along with his fictional Mathematics Inc.

      Posted A/C 'cuz old habits still die hard...

  27. Already failed. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Kansas tried this already:

    http://maps.google.com/maps?q=67045

    Unfortunately science never really caught on in Kansas.

  28. Ha! by atomicthumbs · · Score: 1

    In California, we already have our own Eureka!

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  29. who is going to do the cleaning ? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    or work in the supermarket.
    fix the plumbing...
    repair the cars...
    hookers with 140+ IQ ?

    1. Re:who is going to do the cleaning ? by east+coast · · Score: 1

      We can bring all the Slashdotters who think they can best the most advanced scientists and engineers with their high school and college 101 chemistry/physics/biology courses. It would only be fitting to humble these people in the shadow of the guys and gals who've spent decades in the field doing the cutting edge research and making the breakthroughs.

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    2. Re:who is going to do the cleaning ? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They will blow your mind

    3. Re:who is going to do the cleaning ? by Blakey+Rat · · Score: 1

      Obligatory Bob the Angry Flower:

      http://angryflower.com/atlass.gif

  30. real-TV-eurika season one by floatingrunner · · Score: 0

    are you sure this is for real and not reality-TV ?

    mind you that a lot of the Eurika experiments has gone wrong and there won't be something episodic-manner that will be solved every 1 hour or so.

    not that i am doubting anything.... i for one welcome our AI overlord... just don't digitalize me

  31. to becomes? by randomaxe · · Score: 1

    O HURRAY NOW IF OWNLY THER WUZ A REEL LIFE GRAMMER & SPELING CITY TAHT WOLD B GRATE

    (no, seriously. Proofread much?)

  32. Eureka's Castle by MindlessAutomata · · Score: 2, Funny

    Wait, wasn't this a castle, and not a city? I don't recall those muppets as being exceptionally brilliant. Most scientists don't have magical worldviews, either.

  33. That trick never works by Duncan+Blackthorne · · Score: 1

    I'm sure that'll work out just fine for them, until all the Big Brains try to tell them that they screwing up the internet for everyone. Then they'll cut their funding.

  34. Imagine it as a loan application... by BobMcD · · Score: 1

    You want to spend how much money to do what, exactly? What's the estimated market demand for it? How long before you see a return on the investment? How have predecessors fared in this arena, and what do you intend to take away from that?

    Personally, I see zero demand for this. I'm willing to bet that the even the world's 'brightest minds' want to be able to rub elbows with the rest of the world from time to time. A more balanced community, such as Southern California, would seem, to me at least, to be A LOT more appealing than some small section of Australia. So really you have two issues here and neither is going in the 'win' column from where I sit. We start with the lack of 'pretty people' due to community make-up, and follow that up by sequestering them due to distance issues. This is a haven for socially-challenged personalities, which would probably make for a really HORRIBLE community if you put them all in close proximity to each other.

    I read the fine article, but I don't see the demand required to make an expenditure like this worthwhile.

  35. careful: autism rate will run 80% by naughty-timbo · · Score: 1

    or more.

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  36. To quote Mustapha Mond... by Explodicle · · Score: 1

    Well, you can call it an experiment in rebottling if you like. It began in A.F. 473. The Controllers had the island of Cyprus cleared of all its existing inhabitants and re-colonized with a specially prepared batch of twenty-two thousand Alphas. All agricultural and industrial equipment was handed over to them and they were left to manage their own affairs. The result exactly fulfilled all the theoretical prediotions. The land wasn't properly worked; there were strikes in all the factories; the laws were set at naught, orders disobeyed; all the people detailed for a spell of low-grade work were perpetually intriguing for high-grade jobs, and all the people with high-grade jobs were counter-intriguing at all costs to stay where they were. Within six years they were having a first-class civil war. When nineteen out of the twenty-two thousand had been killed, the survivors unanimously petitioned the World Controllers to resume the government of the island. Which they did. And that was the end of the only society of Alphas that the world has ever seen.

    They should totally bump up the number of scientists from 4,500 to the full 10,000. It would be AWESOME.

  37. IQ not always additive by snspdaarf · · Score: 4, Funny

    Two of the smartest people I have ever met married and began cranking out kids. They now have one of the biggest collection of marginal morons you have ever seen. Nice kids, yes. Well behaved kids, yes. But they don't have the sense God gave a herd of cows. All I can figure is that the parents IQ waves were 180 degrees out of phase. Either that, or they are putting on one helluva show when company is around.

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    1. Re:IQ not always additive by TooMuchToDo · · Score: 2, Funny

      Ahh, we'll have to call that "Mendel's Revenge"

    2. Re:IQ not always additive by kabocox · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Two of the smartest people I have ever met married and began cranking out kids. They now have one of the biggest collection of marginal morons you have ever seen. Nice kids, yes. Well behaved kids, yes. But they don't have the sense God gave a herd of cows. All I can figure is that the parents IQ waves were 180 degrees out of phase. Either that, or they are putting on one helluva show when company is around.

      Um, I think this proves that they did become much much smarter. The thing is smarter people seem very very stupid to every one else. The best that they can really hope for is to shut the heck and look well behaved/well mannered to everyone else. Let's hope that they aren't actual geniuses. They'd look like an insane asylum to "normal folks."

      Of course, if they have over 3 kids running around, (no matter how well behaved) they'd also look like an insane asylum to childless folks.

      Their are various definitions of smart as well. If you are meaning street smart, then the kids could be book smart and look like morons yet still be geniuses; they'd esp look stupid to the street smart crowd.

    3. Re:IQ not always additive by WeirdJohn · · Score: 1

      It's odd how the genes mix. My IQ is absurdly high (over 180) and my wife's is 130+. We have 2 kids that are 140+, and 3 around 120. This suggests to me that the ability to do IQ tests is not purely a matter of inheritance, but is a very complex thing, far more complex than IQ tests. The catch is of course that ability to do IQ tests has very little to do with success in the real world. Based on what we see, our daughter, who is merely bright, looks like the one who is most likely to succeed. The brilliant 2 show little signs of having a real clue about life.

    4. Re:IQ not always additive by jagdish · · Score: 1

      Well, that would invalidate idiocracy.

    5. Re:IQ not always additive by DAldredge · · Score: 1

      Your IQ isn't greater than 180.

    6. Re:IQ not always additive by thesandtiger · · Score: 1

      It proves nothing. It suggests (based on stereotypical profiles of what "smart" people act like) that they might be bright. In fact, your whole comment can be summed up as playing to stereotypes.

      Being book-smart and street-smart and creative-smart and athletic-smart and any-other-smart are not mutually exclusive, despite what television shows and movies might have you believe.

      Honestly, I think that the "intelligent = goofy/offbeat" meme came about so that reasonably bright (but by no means genius intellect) people could excuse their abysmal social skills.

      Einstein was a total chick magnet. Feynman was an accomplished pick-up artist. Oppenheimer... Well, okay, he was kind of a Gloomy Gus, but dude could be smooth once he got over the whole "I am created death" thing.

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    7. Re:IQ not always additive by WeirdJohn · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Actually I have an uncanny ability and aptitude for IQ tests. I've done several under proper conditions, as well as being assessed by a university psychology department. In many respects I'm an "idiot savant" for them, as I seem to really struggle with real world problem solving, yet get absurd results on the tests intuitively.

      For me at least the scores from IQ tests measure my ability to do IQ tests, and seem to be very weakly correlated to any practical measure of intelligence.

    8. Re:IQ not always additive by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Those online ones advertised by the bouncing monkey don't count...

    9. Re:IQ not always additive by TheoMurpse · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Then you should be aware that IQ tests don't really mean anything (other than that you are good at taking IQ tests). Especially not for someone over the age of 20.

      For example, if you're 35 (just a guess based on the fact that you have five kids), an IQ of 180 means (stated simply) you're "as smart as someone who is 63." What the hell does that even mean? Clearly it's a bullshit metric.

      I mean, if we define intelligence as

      1. the ability to acquire information;
      2. the ability to apply knowledge; and
      3. the ability to engage in abstract reasoning,

      most IQ tests (nearly all?) test only the third prong.

      However, your point that IQ doesn't mean shit for shit is well said.

    10. Re:IQ not always additive by WeirdJohn · · Score: 1

      But SB, WAIS form F and the one with the complicated Russian sounding name are nothing like those. Those online tests are more tests of American general knowledge, and seem to me to be tests of education. They basically score high if you are a middle class white American (as does SB).

  38. Isn't this what the internet was suppose to do? by east+coast · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Why is it that years into this concept we still have people with such a fixation on the geographic side of things?

    Los Alamos made sense in the day where even simple telephones were unreliable and getting large amounts of documentation from team to team would take hours if not days and there would be no real accounting for the integrity of them once they got there. But today this kind of thing is sadly out of touch with technology. Not to mention that there is a presumption that a great number of high end scientists will get along under one roof. This is doubtful, at best.

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    1. Re:Isn't this what the internet was suppose to do? by SupremoMan · · Score: 1

      Wait, you are saying Australian government should allow use of the internet for free and uncensored spread of ideas?

      OK OK I know this is redundant given this thread ;)

  39. Wonder of the World by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Eureka: your research takes 25% less turns.

  40. Guess they'll use Star Trek Money by sunking2 · · Score: 1

    Everything is free and you can do whatever you want. What a plausible idea.

  41. MENSA by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The odds are that this will simply result in a huge well-funded MENSA club.

  42. And this one looks pretty dismal by NotQuiteReal · · Score: 1
    The summary says ...at least 10,000 people, is looking to attract 4,500 of the brightest scientists...

    The ratio of 2:1 is not enough.

    What? The bright guys get no gophers? Who will run the Starbucks?

    You need minions.

    Besides, there already is a Eureka
    And, duuude, I bet that one already stocked with waiters and janitor types.

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    1. Re:And this one looks pretty dismal by kachakaach · · Score: 1

      Besides, there already is a
      Eureka

      There sure as heck is, I am sitting in the "real" Eureka, (webcam out my office window: http://www.ncidc.org/webcam/webcam.html ) ...and for those of you that don't think that there is a lot of "science and research" in City of Eureka, (located in the County of Humboldt), you obviously don't know about the decades of secret cloning and genetic research goin on in the hills of our lovely Emerald Triangle, here behind the Redwood Curtain.

    2. Re:And this one looks pretty dismal by Bourbonium · · Score: 1

      And as another poster has implied, since the decline of the logging industry over the past few decades, Eureka's biggest industry is a form of, ahem, agriculture, intended to greatly enhance the level of happiness of the human race. This is a worthy goal that I support whole heartedly, and the kind of scientific research that has already shown great success.

  43. Re:A target for religious zealots by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    Nice. And the very next time someone feels their religion is threatened by some research going on over there, it will be bombed all to hell sending us all into the dark ages once again. ...I hope for humanity's sake that it collectively outgrows religion.

    Maybe you should read "The Lucifer Principle" before wishing that. The sociobiological, "mob mentality" roots of every time religion goes bad applies equally to anti-religious social structures, like Soviet communism. Just look how much the Chinese government still couches all its net censorship in terms of "preserving public morality" despite officially being an atheist country that discourages religions as a competitor to communist values.

    You don't need faith in God to have a credo that distinguishes the "moral" from the "immoral" and provides justification for those who seek power to rally a group to destroy its competitors and to violently deny reality in favor of one's preconceived notions. It's wired into us as part of our evolutionary legacy. We will *not* "grow out of it" without ceasing to be human.

    What people need is a positive credo. Some religions provide that. Some secular philosophies provide that. Many don't (or are twisted to not provide one). Abolishing religion does absolutely nothing to fix the problem -- it just throws out the baby with the bathwater and leaves us testing new social structures that haven't had time to be vetted yet. We should instead be seeking creeds that do work and selecting strains of global memes that are most beneficial, instead of most harmful, to humanity.

  44. just like,, by phrostie · · Score: 1

    just like Huntsville and the redstone arsenal or more like

    http://maps.google.com/maps?hl=en&q=eureka+california&ie=UTF8&ll=40.798737,-124.164734&spn=0.15334,0.401688&t=h&z=11&g=eureka+california&iwloc=addr

    The town of Eureka in the Pacific North West

  45. ha-ha by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This is definitely the lamest thing I've ever read. It deserves a prize.

  46. Sausage Fest by TheGrapeApe · · Score: 1

    I tried that once, in microcosm. They called it "Majoring in something harder than Psychology". It was all dudes all the time. But at least you could go outside and *look* at all the hot chicks majoring in Communications/Business/English/Political Science/etc...

    Count me out.

  47. Internet access? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Nice try, but .au is being so heavily censored on internet access, that I don't see much of those brains coming around any time soon.

  48. When you wish upon a star... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Los Alamos is too specialized. Try Tomorrowland, near Orlando, Florida.

  49. Why do you need a city? by KalvinB · · Score: 1

    Seems like it would be a lot simpler and more productive to simply buy a large area of land outside of a city and create a huge residential area with a central area for research. The scientists could then make use of existing resources while living and working in their own secluded area. They're called "walls." A lot of residential areas in cities have them.

    A whole new city requires police, fire, hospitals, government, stores, etc.

    If you wanted to be really clever you could just build a skyscrapper with room enough for everyone who wants to work there and the rest of the space be dedicated to research. You could plop such a building or few in the middle of any established city.

    It'd be pretty nice to have subsidized living provided by your employer and be able to take the elevator down to work.

    1. Re:Why do you need a city? by daver00 · · Score: 1

      "Seems like it would be a lot simpler and more productive to simply buy a large area of land outside of a city and create a huge residential area with a central area for research. "

      You see, here in Brisbane we have one of those, its called: The University of Queensland. Possibly the biggest area of land devoted to a university campus in the country, rated in the top 3 universities in the country, in the top 40 in the world.

      I happen to be a student at UQ, it really is a fantastic university, it actually does groundbreaking research (shock horror) and the community is massive and draws talent from around the globe. But this is what I don't understand: How is this small town idea different to a university? UQ, like most large campuses (50k students, 5k staff) is a mini city already. It has shops, banks, a few bars, cafes etc, hundreds of on campus students and half the professors live in the surrounding suburbs. Most importantly UQ has $2.5 billion in assets in the form of research facilities built up over the past hundred years. How the hell is the campus anything different than what they are trying to create?

      One major thing... west of Brisbane fucking sucks, it really fucking sucks, and UQ is one of the most attractive campuses in the country. Queensland I think is like Florida, but mostly desert (and lots of rain forest too - none 'west of Brisbane') Brisbane is sort of ok but the rest of the state is just a bunch of rednecks! It is dry, deforested, and sparsely populated. Queensland has a population of 4 million and is 2.5 times the size of Texas, half the population lives in Brisbane.

      This is a stupid field of dreams idea and anyone with half a brain cell would not move to some shit hole west of Brisbane because UQ asked them to. Sounds like they are sinking some serious coin into a completely pointless exercise that many have already pointed out has been done before. I have nothing but respect and admiration for my university, they made the worlds first thrust generating scramjet, lots of good medical research comes out of UQ too, but this idea is stupid.

  50. When by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    When will it becomes real?

  51. i only know this... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I only know this. The orgies would be amazing.

  52. Multifunction Polis reincarnated by ynotds · · Score: 1

    More than twenty years ago another of the second ranked Australian cities had grand plans to develop a Multifunction Polis which became mired in controversy and eventually gave rise to the modern suburb of Mawson Lakes which I drive past most years and which houses a campus of the University of South Australia and Technology Park Adelaide.

    Twenty years ago nobody would have been surprised at Brisbane being twenty years behind Adelaide and an order of magnitude less ambitious, but things have pretty much reversed in the interim, though entirely through public confidence -- Adelaide's rust belt manufacturing versus Brisbane's lack of organising themes which proved attractive to many go-getters.

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  53. EPA rate by Ostracus · · Score: 1

    Wondering how much of that is related to all the chemicals used in high-tech?

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  54. Re:A target for religious zealots by Coraon · · Score: 1
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  55. Tsukuba by pegasustonans · · Score: 1

    It's already been done in Tsukuba. Look it up.

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  56. Re:Vegas, anyone? by Migraineman · · Score: 1

    Toss in casinos and brothels ... it'll be an overnight success.

  57. It's called San Diego... by ehintz · · Score: 1

    I'm of the understanding that there are more living nobel prize winners resident in San Diego than anywhere else in the world (unsure if that's per capita or absolute).

    Having grown up there it's pretty obvious why. Close to everything, brilliant weather, not as horrible as LA.

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  58. Oh Man... by AmigaMMC · · Score: 1
    That's exactly what we need... another town on the planet where people walk around with belt-sized particle accelerators and wormholes are created recklessly every day... and more SMART cars (which are all over Europe already).

    Well that bit is funny: in the TV show the SMART car is considered the car of the future, in Europe it has been driving around for years... ok it doesn't talk, still...)

  59. Japanese already have one... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
  60. Braaiins... by fahrbot-bot · · Score: 1

    University of Queensland, in Australia, plans to build a multibillion-dollar 'brain city'...

    A great new vacation spot for Zombies! The buffet features...

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  61. bike village by johnrpenner · · Score: 1

    if they were really smart - instead of designing everything for cars from the outset, they would design everything to be accessible by bicycle - an eco-friendly bike village. if you're worried about winter - make bike tunnels - they would still be cheaper per mile than the cost of roads for automobile traffic.

    cambridge and oxford allow for a really well developed bike transit around campus - it would be a shame if they forced everyone to use cars just because of a design descision at the outset.

    2cents
    j

  62. And in other news. by Hillview · · Score: 1

    The residents of Eureka have chosen their new anthem.. White and Nerdy, by Wierd Al http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-xEzGIuY7kw

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  63. Um... by kabocox · · Score: 1

    Wouldn't any college town count as this? Or if that's really too broad for you, any population center with at least 3 colleges/universities.

  64. You might be surprised at how much Gore did. by RustinHWright · · Score: 1, Offtopic

    This whole "Gore claims to have invented the internet" is not only one of the most effective pieces of disinformation I've ever seen (yes, promulgation of this was funded by Richard Mellon-Scaife, among others of his repellant ilk), it is also one of the most absurd since, as it happens, Gore DID play quite a serious role in the creation of the internet.

    The truth can be found here. A briefer version is here.

    Oh, and for the record, not too long *after* the election was over, a statement was jointly issued by various politicians, most notably Newt Gingrich, stating their gratitude to Gore's longtime leadership on this issue and to how huge a role he had played in creating our current high tech world.

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    1. Re:You might be surprised at how much Gore did. by XxtraLarGe · · Score: 1

      RustinHWright, relax. If you would have looked at the article I linked to, it's quite clear that McCain didn't claim to have created the Blackberry either. It was a joke, I was poking fun at BOTH sides.

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    2. Re:You might be surprised at how much Gore did. by dwye · · Score: 1

      since, as it happens, Gore DID play quite a serious role in the creation of the internet.

      The Internet existed before he ever looked at it. He just helped commercialized it.

      Oh, and for the record, not too long *after* the election was over, a statement was jointly issued by various politicians, most notably Newt Gingrich, stating their gratitude to Gore's longtime leadership on this issue and to how huge a role he had played in creating our current high tech world.

      What? The Evil Gingrich? Well, doesn't that PROVE that Al Gore did wrong by opening it to the spam merchants and porn sites (of kinks that I don't have, for all I:I is a member of {worthwhile users, not including teenagers under age of consent})?

  65. It's a city in California. by amohat · · Score: 1

    And I been there. And they ain't that smart, neither.

    Tell them aussies to think up their own goldarn name, if they think they so smart.

    Brain Town or Science City, and yes, you have to pick one.

  66. There is one reason why we still develop new Tech. by cemkaan · · Score: 1

    Only reason we are holding a mouse is Sci-Fiction. Only reason we are going to have mobile in our ear which has 1900 MHz CPU with 8 Ã-- 512 KiB L2-Cache is Sci-Fiction. As long as we dream we will have what we dream. It is simple what you dream is what you get.

  67. Product placement? by linebackn · · Score: 1

    So what brand of deodorant will these guys be plugging?

    1. Re:Product placement? by VampirePidgeon · · Score: 0

      seriously. I can take completely made-up science as long as it's not Jar Jar talking with a jamaican accent, but in-episode advertising, along with nonsensical plot development? I'm ashamed I watched a show that turned into this.

  68. Then we should build Shockwave Rider's Precipice by RustinHWright · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Not a bad design, even if it is thirty years old. Distributed systems. Fault tolerant. Designed to be able to disperse and have the citizens stay connected through encrypted channels. Amazing social dynamics. I would certainly consider moving there if it existed.

    That John Brunner was a pretty sharp guy.

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  69. Re:A target for religious zealots by erroneus · · Score: 1

    Religion does nothing but hide what we know and what we don't know. "Good and evil" are not the exclusively defined by "the church" as they would have everyone believe but so much is done in the name of such beliefs that we are all better off without them.

    The more advanced we become, the fewer gods we need. Most of us are down to one or fewer gods. When we all have zero, we will have achieved something better and will have fewer reasons to distrust and hate.

  70. What about Aspergers? by RustinHWright · · Score: 1

    I'm not so sure about birth rates but I would genuinely worry about rates of Aspergers and related syndromes. I get the distinct impression that Aspergers rates are significantly higher in the towns where IBMers live, in parts of Silicon Valley, and other places where certain kinds of "smart people" live.

    Me? I consider myself legitimately a genius by some standards (gawd, I hate that word) and I know that part of my anomolous abilities to focus and to internally run very complex simulations of reality are inextricably interwoven with the things that make me socially awkward and prone to what is thought of as ADD. And none of this even begins to get into what kids would be like raised in such a place. I am well aware that there, too, my childhood environment is part of what alienates me from just about everybody.

    So, low birth rates? Don't sweat it. Increasingly "freak"-like children? Bet on it.

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  71. Eureka is a secret by BearRanger · · Score: 1

    That's a big part of the premise of the show, and one of the reasons it works. It also removes the "eggs in one basket" argument. Of course, that's also one of the reasons why announcing that you're going to undertake a project like this ensures that it will never be a success. It can't be self-selecting either. So if you're going to embark on a Quixotic quest like this, who do you get to choose your geniuses?

    Sorry Australia but this has "fail" written all over it.

  72. Good idea, bad place to impliment by Toll_Free · · Score: 1

    What a great idea.

    That, coupled with the censored Internet, and I can't wait to run to .au.

    Sheesh. Good ideas, bad ideas.

    Wait, didn't we decide about 30 years ago, these where called cults? And cults are bad, mkay?

    lol

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  73. Imagine mapping the wavefront patterns! by RustinHWright · · Score: 1

    So, would these interference patterns cause spontaneous creation of doomsday machines at the maxima created by them?

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  74. all housing will be underground... by rivaldufus · · Score: 1

    in basement apartments

  75. Would they need that many "filler" people? by RustinHWright · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Seems to me that the *really* smart thing to do would be to recruit more kinds of smart people than just scientists. Out here in Portland some of the smartest people I know doing some of the most innovative work are working at cafes and creating new vegan food that actually tastes good, doing funky little magazines, and otherwise finding ways to make all sorts of work intellectually challenging and fun.

    I've been in some of the most famous concentrations of smart people in the world and I see no reasons to believe that a "city of smart people" would also need to have some sizable population of dimwits. If anything, if living expenses were cheap, healthcare provided, and "low status" jobs were normally flextime and twenty hours a week or less, plenty of smart folks would flock there for a chance to live in a way that they could pay their bills and still be able to pursue their other projects. Not only could you fill all of your janitor jobs with smart people who would respect the job and be able to talk to the other people there, you would have to bloody near barricade the walls to keep too many people for applying.

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  76. You'll just have to buy your own. by RustinHWright · · Score: 1

    Another eight or ten years and these should be "feature-rich" enough for most guy's needs.

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    1. Re:You'll just have to buy your own. by Eli+Gottlieb · · Score: 1

      Hell no. I don't want to be that annoying prat Mr. Universe.

    2. Re:You'll just have to buy your own. by RustinHWright · · Score: 1

      Hey, man, don't you rag on Mr. Universe. A geek with his own moon and a power setup right out of Forbidden Planet? A guy who can crack the codes of the Alliance, broadcast to the entire coretex, and live in his little lovenest just as he pleases? Excellent. Anyway, I would like him if there were no more to him but his being one of the only good looking Jews under fifty in the entire history of science fiction movies. But, let's face it, what it's really about is that Joss gives him more than enough of the great lines to make him worthwhile.

      "From here to the eyes and the ears of the 'Verse, that's my motto, or it might be if I start having a motto."

      Shiny.

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    3. Re:You'll just have to buy your own. by Eli+Gottlieb · · Score: 1

      Well, I got to admit I laughed a ton when I realized that even 500 years into the future, after humanity has colonized outer space, we Jews still control the media.

      But I want an actual wife instead of a love-bot.

  77. what about the real Eureka by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I wonder how people in Eureka CA, feel about all this publicity about a very fictional version of their town.

    Also I don't think everyone in the real Eureka is a genius

  78. Not as much of a failure as people think. by RustinHWright · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Those "unrealistic" utopian colonies got a lot more done than people give them credit for. Specifically, the movement you link to created, among other things, the Amana corporation, founed by the residents of, you guessed, the Amana colonies. Who also, by the way, made kickass furniture and sold it in mass quantities. You know, like the Quakers? Maybe you've heard of them or of a few of the many products they invented and commercialized. Or, instead, maybe you're more a "free love" kinda elitist. In which case drop by your local Target or Nordstrom's and buy some Oneida flatware, a product of the Oneida communities.

    I could go on and on. I've researched this a bit and given the primitive tech they were working with and the chowderheaded "social sciences" they had to do their best to unlearn, some of those colonies did quite well. And with the hundred plus years that have now been put into analysis and of creating more efficient setups like the hundred-plus ecovillages, most of which are thriving, we're far better positioned to try again.

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  79. it's not just that it was a customer by Trepidity · · Score: 3, Informative

    The first tenant at the famed Stanford Research Park was Varian, and the government was at the time Varian's only customer. Many of the other spin-offs were organized around government-funded research labs, many also at/near Stanford, the most famous of which was probably Engelbart's lab (which invented the mouse).

  80. MultiBillion?!?!?!??! by Deliveranc3 · · Score: 1

    Just create a country, say "There is no illegal information". Watch the brains pour in.

    Beyond the scientific community any entrepreneurs looking to infringe patents would set up shop there.

  81. Umm... by jamesshuang · · Score: 1

    Wow, I think this town would contain a supercritical mass of Ego. One argument, and we're looking at catastrophic runaway fission...

    Have you ever been in a room with more than 5 scientists? The arguments get pretty heated even with low numbers, lol...

  82. Australia hasn't done this before by Hyperhaplo · · Score: 1

    You can't just create a new city in the middle of nowhere and expect it to still exist a century later. I mean, come on, purposely building a city in the middle of nowhere? Who'd live there?

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  83. But the two cases are not equivalent. by RustinHWright · · Score: 4, Interesting

    A.) You were promulgating a bit of disinformation that gets stronger every time it gets repeated in a public place.

    B.) You were creating an implied equivalancy between two "equally ridiculous", "equally false" public statements. Which isn't so nice when one of those statements not only isn't equivalently false but was, in fact, used as a key part of a still ongoing and successful campaign to establish and maintain the larger and equally false supposed equivalency between the level of lying and overall fraud between Democrats and Republicans.

    After years as a policy guy trying to change behavior through reason I came to the sad conclusion that behavior is, in fact, largely determined not by fact but by perception and that many of the most destructive false perceptions are those spread mostly under the cover of "I'm just joking", which is no different from the frat boy who hits one of the "nerds" in the face, knocking him down, and then claims that the nerd has no legitimate grounds to be angry, let alone fight back. After all, "I was just messing with you".

    Sorry, I have no opinion of nor much interest in your intent; I post in response to expected consequences. /. is still one of the biggest fora on the web and I reserve the right to cut down the damage that you'll do rather than limiting myself to only what *you* consider accountable behavior.

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    1. Re:But the two cases are not equivalent. by badboy_tw2002 · · Score: 1

      Calm down Al. Shouldn't you be out looking for manbearpig right about now?

    2. Re:But the two cases are not equivalent. by CrazedWalrus · · Score: 1

      This guy's absolutely right. If you want evidence, look at the influence "comedy" shows like The Daily Show and the Colbert Report have had on national politics recently.

      These guys absolutely, positively are NOT joking. They're as serious, and their message every bit as pointed as any network media propaganda out there. That they do it under the cover of "comedy" in order to provide the "it's all in good fun" and "we tease everyone" defenses is cowardly and sickening.

      That they'll tease Obama lightheartedly or in some inconsequential way and then tear McCain apart is absolutely not "teasing everyone" equally.

      I used to enjoy those shows before the election season, but as November gets closer, they're not even trying to be funny anymore. Everyone can take a ribbing, but what these guys are doing is a lot more than that.

      Of course, it's within their rights to have an opinion and talk about it on their shows, but they absolutely do not have the shield of "all in good fun" when they do so.

    3. Re:But the two cases are not equivalent. by hey! · · Score: 1

      under the cover of "I'm just joking", which is no different from the frat boy who hits one of the "nerds" in the face, knocking him down, and then claims that the nerd has no legitimate grounds to be angry, let alone fight back. After all, "I was just messing with you"

      Ah, you've put your finger on it. You just haven't put a name to it, and there is one.

      It is called "cowardice".

      Spreading ideas that you don't want to be really associated with is cowardice, it doesn't matter how you choose to evade being tarred with whatever is on your brush. You can claim you're just passing on what "some people say", or you're "just joking", or maybe you just quietly run your keys along the paint of some car with a bumper sticker you disagree with when you think nobody is looking. If you don't want to be associated with what you believe in, then there's probably not much good to say about whatever that is.

      It may be that some sheep manage to convince the other sheep they're really just slightly woolier sheepdogs, but in the end, when it is time to be lead to the slaughter, they'll line up obediently with the rest of them. They'll probably be thinking, "This can't possibly be happening for real," and as insane as that may be, they've have got a lot of practice at denial when the time comes.

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    4. Re:But the two cases are not equivalent. by Mister+Whirly · · Score: 1

      In order for comedy to exist, someone, by nature, has to get the short end of the stick. Don't be bitter because you think your guy is getting the short end more often.

      Besides, after McCain loses, they will stop making him the butt of the jokes and it will be all about making Obama look dumb. They may have a political bias on those shows, but ratings are still the bottom line.
      And if you truly can't stand those shows anymore, don't watch them. It IS a free country still, enjoy it while it lasts.

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      "But this one goes to 11!"
    5. Re:But the two cases are not equivalent. by CrazedWalrus · · Score: 1

      I understand the concept of changing the channel, friend, and in fact, noted that I don't really watch it anymore. My point was not to call these guys out specifically, but to say that making a strong point and then saying "I was just kidding, can't you take a joke" is not valid way to avoid argument when you obviously weren't kidding.

      Late night comics have often framed political commentary in humor, but I picked these guys because they take it to such an extreme that they've simply become pundits who make jokes in between their political monologues.

    6. Re:But the two cases are not equivalent. by RustinHWright · · Score: 1

      I just wanted to let you know that I've emailed your post above to three people now. Yes, you nailed it. What we were talking about is cowardice. Thank you for putting it so clearly and evocatively.

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  84. I blame... by afxgrin · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Benzene, Toluene, basically most of the stuff that's in gasoline, and MMT ... these are all more likely sources than vaccinations. People just get regular exposure to these chemicals, it's part of our car culture ...

    Just look at that MMT molecule - it looks fucking badass! Hehe, wow - look at this, an easy Google search and the EPA hands this right to me:

    "One recent California study reported that a modest increase in the incidence of autism was associated with the highest 25% of manganese air concentrations (65)." Source
    (MMT has a manganese atom in the middle of it)

    Oh yeah - It's probably also worth blaming whatever chemical clouds are making it over the Pacific.

    Vaccines?? Come on ... let's look at the obvious sources of carcinogens and mutagens. I just think it's far more likely to be the fuel for industrial progress ... no matter how bad it is, we'll still end up using it in large amounts daily, and spreading the chemical love all around the world.

    Stuff like this just adds more backing to my argument.

    But yeah, vaccine soup does kind of worry me, just doesn't seem that likely to me. I honestly hope you're right, and it's the vaccines, because that's something we can get some control over ... where as this gasoline issue; we pretty much need a working, feasible nuclear fusion reactor now to solve that problem. (which could introduce a whole other set of issues...)

  85. This is all hypothetical by ubrkl · · Score: 1

    From the horses mouth: http://www.uq.edu.au/news/index.html?article=16363

    'Plans' referred to in the media were part of a hypothetical 'master class' to improve the design skills of professionals involved in planning. The master class's report includes the following disclaimer: "Whilst the University of Queensland has consented to the site being the subject of the Master Class, the consent does not in any way imply any intent of the University of Queensland insofar as the site is concerned."

  86. read between the lines by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    the real story is that the university wants to get the land rezoned, and knows that the community is against it because the local transport infrastructure in the part of brisbane is rubbish.

    the university have realised that if they put an education spin on it, that the community might be more willing to consider their proposal

    the land is a substantial plot of land on the riverfront. it was once used for vetinary science, but the way they teach vetinary science these days they don't need huge paddocks - it is done in a lab. at the moment, they are only permitted to keep a few horses on the land, and that's it. the land would be worth hundreds of millions of dollars if they could put houses on it. that's the real story.

  87. welcome to now... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    eureka Eureka

  88. Dubai by Archon-X · · Score: 1

    Seems similar to the 'cities' of
    Internet City and
    Media City in Dubai.

  89. uhhh... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Eureka, California?

    Not a science town.
    But it exists.

  90. Not really it's own city. by 1stdoc · · Score: 1

    From the way this is described it will still be within Brisbane's city limits, or at least close enough to not make a great deal of difference. I still think it's a cool idea, but it's not like it's going to be an isolated science city, more of a science suburb. (Posting from UQ right now)

  91. yadda yadda yadda by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This is one of those nothing stories that some journo has pulled out of the archives and republished. The 'brain city' concept is cyclical. It gets hyped every decade, every region gets a turn and has earmarked land but nothing ever eventuates.

  92. Pinjarra Hills "plans" are hypothetical by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    http://www.uq.edu.au/news/index.html?article=16363

  93. Eureka, California by MichaelPenne · · Score: 1

    It's really in the redwoods, and weird stuff happens all the time. It's the county seat of Humboldt County, after all...

    What's really amazing is that SCIFI had no idea there was a city in northern california named Eureka before the chose the name.

    Also, long before there was Eureka, the TV show, there was Schenectady, aka Kurt's Illium & zip code 12345:-).

    1. Re:Eureka, California by casio · · Score: 1

      Grew up in and around Eureka in Humboldt County from ages 5-20. It definitely is a different place. (325 miles north of San Fransisco on HWY101 for those who don't know.) People in Humboldt tend to believe and act like they live behind the Redwood Curtain. And it is true.

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  95. Fictional? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Did I miss something?

    Eureka is already a town in Queensland. Not sure on zoning laws, but I would assume 1 name per town, per state?

  96. CERN anyone? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I probably just overlooked it, but hasn't anyone mentioned the CERN?
    Sure it is just for physics, not general science, but you have around 7000 smart people in one place, sounds a little like Eureka to me.

    1. Re:CERN anyone? by Arimus · · Score: 1

      Add in the odd blackhole or other odd event and it will look Eureka as well as sounding like it ;)

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  97. Comprehensive reading by SmallFurryCreature · · Score: 1

    Two of the smartest people YOU have ever met.

    Missing detail, he is from texas. IQ 120. For the entire state.

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    1. Re:Comprehensive reading by snspdaarf · · Score: 1

      Close, but no, Cigar.

      I may be IN texas, but I am not FROM texas.

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  98. But with genious comes management and sales by LostMyBeaver · · Score: 1

    Would be great to have a town made up souly of individuals of high intelligence and capabilities. But did anyone ever think for a moment about two major draw backs ?

    First : Nerds/Scientists are slobs
    No kidding, property values drop when a scientist moves onto the block. Their lawns grow to meters in length. Their house is generally a wreck. And eventually the houses look like they're about to burst at the seams from a kiloton of books piled up against the walls. So who will do the real work? This town of souly intelligent people would have to import all their labour from outside. This can be expensive or the alternative is, the workers will establish themselves near by and eventually the two groups will integrate.

    Second : Food supply
    Food costs money. Money comes from work. Work comes from companies. Companies are run by MBAs. MBAs are frigging morons. So unless the whole town will telecommute for a living, there will be MBAs. And a single MBA can pull down the town IQ by several percent.

  99. Finaly! by Oktober+Sunset · · Score: 1

    A town where my wedgie-proof underwear for nerds business can finally succeed!

  100. Welcome to Rapture! by FishAdmin · · Score: 1

    Send us your best and your brightest...would you kindly?

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  101. QLD not the smart state by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This another "we'll name it and they'll come" project by Queensland Gov. They have done this sort of thing before, where name some area to be next tech what ever or make some catchie slogans but do nothing beyond that. Far as I'm aware there very few tax offsets and/or usually zero infrastructure supplied by gov for these projects, so of course technology companies go else where in the world...

  102. "Carefully regulated" by mi · · Score: 1

    Unfortunately most modern research is far more complex, far more costly, requires substantial facilities to conduct and many people working together to achieve.

    And the best way to organize such large groups of people known today is A Corporation.

    Not only that bust most modern research must be carefully regulated lest some researcher blinded by free market greed sets of a disaster.

    Yes, "carefully regulated" by the loving, caring, all-knowing and otherwise omni-potent government officials, who would've invented it all by themselves, if it was not for their benevolent desire to leave something to us, tro..., I mean, mortals.

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    1. Re:"Carefully regulated" by rtb61 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Corporation can often be the worst researchers, everyone knows treating the symptoms is far more profitable than curing the disease. There are many areas of research where the results end up in the the public domain for the greater good. Examples are treating vermin species by introducing predators to reduce their numbers, this takes a considerable amount of research to be done successfully, generates absolutely no profit but can save billions.

      Consider the rate of research that was achieved by government during two world wars, far faster than during any other periods, consider the internet the device you are using for to put out wrong headed comments or even the space race.

      There seems to be this real crazy attitude that somehow citizens are not part of the government, or truly weird stuff like, you can't trust the government because it just just run by corporations for the benefit of corporations but you can quite illogically trust those corrupt corporations who are using their greed driven values to corrupt government.

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    2. Re:"Carefully regulated" by mi · · Score: 1

      Corporation can often be the worst researchers

      They can be. Trouble is, government is the worst even more often...

      But that's not really relevant. The important part is, the Government has no mandate to do that — even if it were ultimately successful (which it is not). It represents a Mission Creep.

      Further, unlike, say, Chinese or Russian, America's Capitalism is derived not from economical or political expediency, but from human right — to pursue whatever activity, that's not harmful to others. That includes forming corporations and running them in any (non-harmful) way one pleases. Taxation impedes those liberty and should only be spent on military and upholding the law — the government's original mandate. Thus DARPA's funding of the research into resilient communication network (which grew into the Internet) was legitimate. Organizing a "geek city" is not.

      everyone knows treating the symptoms is far more profitable than curing the disease.

      No, it is not. If I can sell the cure for 1000 times more the symptom-eliminator, I would try to develop it... But I must be safe from demagogues arguing, that my higher price amounts to "gouging", that I spend "too much" on marketing, and demand a "windfall" tax on me. Otherwise, yes, I'll try to stay below radar with simple medicines.

      Once again, the point, that Libertarians are making, is not just that government is inefficient at things (although that's usually true too), but that by exceeding its original mandate violates the Individual's liberty (by requiring Him to pay for it) and is thus wrong, even if efficient.

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  103. Eggs in one basket by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ... the potential for such a community is very interesting and exciting."

    Not to mention convenient from a strategic/targetting perspective.

  104. The Prisoner by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Why does this idea remind me of the Prisoner TV-series?

  105. it already exists.. by josepha48 · · Score: 1
    .. well sort of.. Eureka, CA .. google it!

    In any case I always thought Eureka was a US or at least Canadian city, not an Australian city in the series?

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  106. Next up by dilvish_the_damned · · Score: 1

    In other news, Pinjarra Hills to be now known as Lawyersville, so designated unanimously by its newly established city council. Mayor Thomas was quoted earlier "...and further we just want to attract the right kind of intellect, people who can appreciate what our little town has to offer."

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  107. BOGUS ARTICLE by Klootzak · · Score: 1

    This is a bogus story, a media announcement was made by UQ essentially refuting the claims made in the news.com.au article.

    Were this a true story it would get more (well, definitely more CREDIBLE) coverage than a single write up by a News LTD online tabloid newspaper.

    Future note for Slashdot Editors - News LTD's online journalists are (allgegedly) notorious for being heavily biased and factually incorrect. Consider any submissions linking to www.news.com.au or its related websites as EXTREMELY suspect.

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    1. Re:BOGUS ARTICLE by DanJ_UK · · Score: 1

      Dammit, I was looking forward to a real-life Milla Jovovich inhabitant hive.

      C'est la vie.

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