they first couple of levels of support people in these ISP's do not know networking is and/or are forced to read from scripts. It can take hours to get to the level of support where they not only know what you are talking about but can also throw the switch to turn off the DNS hijacking.
So having a switch is still not easy when you can't just go to your settings page and turn it off yourself.
they are probably just pre-heating the fuel and therefore reducing its viscosity. I'll have to look and see if they are powering this from a battery connected to the engine( charged by engines mechanical power ) or run from an external battery and therefore adding energy to the system without adding that energy in the results.
and watch all the people start telling everyone that they have a car which runs on hydrogen and magnets. clue: I know it states it uses electric fields but saying it runs on mag-ga-nets and hydrogen is just super cool.;-)
hmmm, wouldn't pre-heating the fuel do the same thing as this guy is suggesting? Wondering if they looked at what kind of heating is going on when they run all that current threw the metal tube.
and while we're at it, allow the operator to input the current cost of a gallon of fuel and show the estimated cost per mile for both instantaneous and the fifty mile average.
It's the cost that's finally causing people to change their habits and vehicles. IMO.
most don't even know anything about them other than open door, insert and turn key, move round thing while pressing on big long pedal. When a light comes on they'll eventually take it to the shop but only of they have some extra cash to pay for it.
not a fan of the ignorance of what this 1+ ton vehicle requires to move and stop and I live in the USA.
The Microsoft people are making fools of her and the court system and she hardly even knows it. If she did, she'd have ripped them a new hole long ago and imposed sanctions on them instead of letting this drag out year after year.
Isn't it getting to the point of irrelevant in this year of late 2008? After all, interoperability is more of a threat to their business than any court Justice and they know this and spend billions annually protecting that. IMO.
I know it's some work to make a good HowTo page but it helps others when all of the info can be found from the one page. I've got some parts I need to order from Digikey and will see about adding parts to try building your kit along with seeing of my PIC programmer can do the programming. In-circuit is preferred.
I'm guessing your page is getting a few more hits today?
looks pretty promising but without schematics, firmware and other things to build it, the average geek isn't going to put all that effort into it. Maybe posting enough data for others to build might result in updates back to you where mods or improvements can be made.
again, nice work and it looks like a promising project people could try to build with more info.
that's ~$200 bucks and unless you need it to be pretty small, there are other Linux capable boards which can do more/easier. Think Gumstix for small or even eBox for larger but x86 based.
I think this/. thread is mostly about DIY, small, inexpensive, etc.
using that logic, why would you want a stove in your house when there's a professional cook and good food down the street at the restaurant? Believe it or not, there are many cases where only one or a couple of dozen users would hit a web server.
There might be a serial port device in a medical lab which would be much easier to check on if there was a small web server attached to the port. A school robotics class or even a home garage door position indicator. Would you want to slap and Alien box on any of these to provide the simple web page access these could use?
It would be cool if other uCPU chips( AVR, MSP430, etc ) were added to the project along with updates to the design layout and software. This way someone can pick what platform they'd like to learn and build from. Especially since this also mentioned home fabrication of the circuit board. There is something cool about giving web viewing and even control access to small devices all around us and it can be handy too.
funny how smartphones are moving to the format of the UMP. Look at the Nokia N8xx device and then look at the smartphones.
The screen size still limits what can fit in your pocket and the phone is forced into this format. The UMP fits in the briefcase so I doubt the phone will replace all UMP type device. Many but not all and a decent full featured kernel, Linux, runs on these devices and that is the enabler, not a Microsoft OS.
damn it! Must..stop..hitting..the..submit..button..so..fast. Must re-read shitty editing/composing of posting before hitting submit. They probably added the "Preview" option for me anyways. What a dumbass!:-/
Is this what Microsoft is doing with unlucky Windows 7, focusing on bundled packaging instead of making the underlying OS capable of supporting various applications without using 50% of your CPU for virus protection, firewalling, and malware detection?
What a joke. They should be trying to make an OS which can compete on the low-end laptops(UMPs) with Linux and then build up from there. Instead, they have to pay the UMP manufacturers to double the memory and storage to run the old Windows XP Home( yes, the lowend version of WinXP ) and make sweetheart deals so the Linux versions are not cheaper than the WinXP versions.
Talk about a company wandering around without sight or instinct. The more I hear about this new OS after the recently released new OS, Vista, the more I think that this is Ozzy's baby and on a different timeline/track than the standard Windows Desktop/Server OS. Is this the Network computer they killed off about 10 years ago just as Google and others are doing it on handhelds and UMP devices along with thin clients? I guess another couple of years will shine some light on this since leaked pictures are 100% marketing dept sampling/testing and 100% unreliable from Microsoft. IMO.
AC, there are dozens around me who have purchased new computers in the last 1.5 years and are running Vista because that is what the computer came with.
Don't fool yourself into thinking that OEM preloads has little to do with Vista uptake. Just like the first 3 years of XP and Win2K before it, the preload market is what drives new Microsoft APIs into the hands of willing purchasers.
Besides, WTF is the AC bringing up "flop" for when nobody else even mentioned it. Talking about a flop, why would Microsoft spend so much time on a new OS and not make it modular? I mean they come out with a new OS almost 2 years ago, put over 5 years into, and they have to bring Windows XP back from the dead to shop on these little laptops everyone is craving for? Even then, the Windows versions usually require 2x the system RAM and 2x the HD storage a Linux system requries and often times the Linux distro is packed with software. THAT my AC friend, is a flop IMO.
visual basic is a winner? if anything it taught people how software should not be written. DOS, you want to say DOS was a winner when they had to use illegal business practices to protect it? Same goes for Windows, it is where it is because they leveraged a monopoly hold on the market to keep other OS vendors from growing. Read some history. And IMO, they get one star for bundling a bunch of office apps together. But again, they used Windows to move MS Office.
As far as Google goes, their ads are un-intrusive IMO and not annoying like many flash/animated ones on other sites. They also don't own the base platform for computing like Microsoft did/does and only support products which run on that base platform. ie Google is not forced onto a required device like Windows is forced on PC. And when I say forced, I mean OEMs have contracts which restrict their ability to sell other PCs running something other than Windows. No OEM can advertise they sell Linux PCs and many projects never got approved because of kickbacks for advertising Microsoft stuff would be eliminated if a Linux based product was sold. I don't see Google doing these things. They could but they have not shown that is their nature. Microsoft shows this as their nature to the core of their management and business ethics and has done so for 20+ years. And many who understand Microsoft know that many of those projects which have lost 10s of billions of dollars where designed to keep the competition from growing into a threat to Microsoft's desktop Windows position.
on second thought is right. Even if Microsoft had HP's hardware they would still be missing a clue along with any ability to do even moderately good design work.
I really would love to see Microsoft purchase one of the big hardware vendors. It would be their end because every other hardware vendor would start dropping Windows like a piece of shattered glass.
in the last 15 years, Microsoft has lost over $10 billion on Windows CE/PocketPC/Windows Mobile alone. The Xbox venture is probably already around $20 billion and yes, they've lost billions on everything outside of their ability to leverage the desktop OS monopoly. IMO
I figure this is more to keep executives happy and employees happy as they have already seen 30% of their retirement vaporize this year alone.
As far as Vista goes, it is forced onto OEM PCs so they get paid just like they did when Windows XP was preloaded. They might have changed the payment some because of different version packages but it's preload $$$ that keep flowing to their banks and only OEMs going away from Windows is going to slow that down. That's taking a while but gaining momentum every day.
there was about to be a whole bunch of HP stock dumped on market as those fired 25,000 HP employees filed through HR and headed out on the street.
Is Microsoft doing the same, ie they are purchasing back stock so that the employee 'benefits' in stocks don't look like a worthless benefit? Or is Microsoft looking to be one of the last standing on Wall Street by saying "look, our stock has kept its value far better than others so buy ours so we ar not the only ones doing it."?
Or have there been any MS firings lately that I missed? When's Balmer leaving?
Does Microsoft really want to play that game? Apple probably likes people to consider the Mac a Mac and not a PC but one mention of it and where's Microsoft's ad?
What is even more interesting is the little laptops and the full size desktops and laptops getting Linux installed. Are the "a PC" too?
And really, don't people know from experience that "being a PC" means all that fun virus, crashing updates, and rebooting stuff? Who's proud of being forced to deal with that?
They've been riding on the coattails of their monopoly with the desktop OS for a couple of decades and everything outside of using that monopoly position has failed. Clueless and out of touch are good adjectives for them. IMO
I don't think I have ever seen a Microsoft ad that had any snap to it. The Apple 1984 ad was great, their PC/Mac ads are funny, IBM had done some good Linux ads like the child learning one. Microsoft has spend billions on ads and they shot blanks every time. Just think where they would be without that desktop OS monopoly funding all these failures.
You're confusing OEM-branded IE shells with the normal shell.
no, I'm not talking about Internet Explorer, I'm talking about the desktop which is explorer.exe. The first time the kernel runs explorer.exe it loads the desktop and from then on, it opens up that file browser view. This has been the case as far back as Windows 95 and up through XP SP2 IIRC. As of Windows 95, Microsoft contractually blocked computer vendors from changing what their customers, the OEMs customers, saw for the desktop. It had to be what Microsoft shipped them atleast for the first time the customer booted the computer. The DOJ vs MSFT settlement might have allowed icons to be added and some customization but I don't think they went to the extent to let them totally replace explorer.exe on desktop PCs.
If you purchase an embedded license, you can probably have that capability but then again, Microsoft will not license embedded for desktop use. They insist that desktop users see their user interface and I doubt they will let OLPC replace explorer.exe with sugar.py so the kid does not know Windows is under the hood. Twenty something years of seeing these guys operate says it ain't gonna happen.
but OEMs are not allowed to do this so it does not matter how easy it is for YOU to do it. Do you expect the kids to be taught to do this once they get their brand new XP-XOs? OLPC, as the OEM, will most likely not be allowed to do this.
And do you think that the $3 per device Microsoft gets is enough for them to allow Windows to be buried under some custom desktop UI? I surely don't because for Microsoft, this is not about making a profit on these devices, it is about promoting and spreading the reliance on Microsoft software.
Also, do you really think that with this being as "patently ridiculous" and simple to do and yet no PC OEM has done this since 1995 it is because Explorer is _the_ best way to do a desktop? If you do, then think again. Have you not heard how companies like HP, Compaq, and Dell had gone to putting special buttons on keyboard to bypass Microsoft's requirements of not changing the first boot desktop layout?
When I see the XO running Windows and dropping directly into a custom application/desktop like Sugar instead of the standard MS Explorer desktop THEN I will agree that it is still a good thing for the kids getting these. But I doubt this well happen since the history Microsoft has of preventing OEMs from hiding the fact that Microsoft Windows is on the computer is a long one. I say "hiding Windows" because kids at the age the XO is designed for deserve a tool to teach learning, not a tool to learn how Microsoft decided applications should be started and how data files from those applications should be saved and retrieved. Sugar and the Journal do a pretty good job of getting out of the way so the kids can not only connect to each other over the network but also get back to the course work they have been working in a simple and elegant way.
I really doubt that Windows on the XO is going to be anything more than putting the MS Explorer desktop in front of the kids and the teachers are going to have to spend hours and hours attempting to teach kids just how to start and get to their classwork. Linux was hidden under Sugar, I doubt Windows will be hidden because Microsoft has only the desire to hook people on Windows and nothing more. It was supposed to be a tool for learning the 3 R's and now it has become a tool for learning Microsoft's way of doing a user interface. Talk about hitting a foul ball, this is way out of bounds from the original goal of the project. IMO.
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they first couple of levels of support people in these ISP's do not know networking is and/or are forced to read from scripts. It can take hours to get to the level of support where they not only know what you are talking about but can also throw the switch to turn off the DNS hijacking.
So having a switch is still not easy when you can't just go to your settings page and turn it off yourself.
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they are probably just pre-heating the fuel and therefore reducing its viscosity. I'll have to look and see if they are powering this from a battery connected to the engine( charged by engines mechanical power ) or run from an external battery and therefore adding energy to the system without adding that energy in the results.
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and watch all the people start telling everyone that they have a car which runs on hydrogen and magnets. clue: I know it states it uses electric fields but saying it runs on mag-ga-nets and hydrogen is just super cool. ;-)
hmmm, wouldn't pre-heating the fuel do the same thing as this guy is suggesting? Wondering if they looked at what kind of heating is going on when they run all that current threw the metal tube.
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and while we're at it, allow the operator to input the current cost of a gallon of fuel and show the estimated cost per mile for both instantaneous and the fifty mile average.
It's the cost that's finally causing people to change their habits and vehicles. IMO.
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most don't even know anything about them other than open door, insert and turn key, move round thing while pressing on big long pedal. When a light comes on they'll eventually take it to the shop but only of they have some extra cash to pay for it.
not a fan of the ignorance of what this 1+ ton vehicle requires to move and stop and I live in the USA.
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The Microsoft people are making fools of her and the court system and she hardly even knows it. If she did, she'd have ripped them a new hole long ago and imposed sanctions on them instead of letting this drag out year after year.
Isn't it getting to the point of irrelevant in this year of late 2008? After all, interoperability is more of a threat to their business than any court Justice and they know this and spend billions annually protecting that. IMO.
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if the other IP board is really a home buildable kit, you might add that to your page just because of the printed circuit board stuff. As in this link:
http://hackaday.com/2008/07/28/how-to-etch-a-single-sided-pcb/
I know it's some work to make a good HowTo page but it helps others when all of the info can be found from the one page. I've got some parts I need to order from Digikey and will see about adding parts to try building your kit along with seeing of my PIC programmer can do the programming. In-circuit is preferred.
I'm guessing your page is getting a few more hits today?
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looks pretty promising but without schematics, firmware and other things to build it, the average geek isn't going to put all that effort into it. Maybe posting enough data for others to build might result in updates back to you where mods or improvements can be made.
again, nice work and it looks like a promising project people could try to build with more info.
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that's ~$200 bucks and unless you need it to be pretty small, there are other Linux capable boards which can do more/easier. Think Gumstix for small or even eBox for larger but x86 based.
I think this /. thread is mostly about DIY, small, inexpensive, etc.
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using that logic, why would you want a stove in your house when there's a professional cook and good food down the street at the restaurant? Believe it or not, there are many cases where only one or a couple of dozen users would hit a web server.
There might be a serial port device in a medical lab which would be much easier to check on if there was a small web server attached to the port. A school robotics class or even a home garage door position indicator. Would you want to slap and Alien box on any of these to provide the simple web page access these could use?
It would be cool if other uCPU chips( AVR, MSP430, etc ) were added to the project along with updates to the design layout and software. This way someone can pick what platform they'd like to learn and build from. Especially since this also mentioned home fabrication of the circuit board. There is something cool about giving web viewing and even control access to small devices all around us and it can be handy too.
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funny how smartphones are moving to the format of the UMP. Look at the Nokia N8xx device and then look at the smartphones.
The screen size still limits what can fit in your pocket and the phone is forced into this format. The UMP fits in the briefcase so I doubt the phone will replace all UMP type device. Many but not all and a decent full featured kernel, Linux, runs on these devices and that is the enabler, not a Microsoft OS.
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damn it! Must..stop..hitting..the..submit..button..so..fast. Must re-read shitty editing/composing of posting before hitting submit. They probably added the "Preview" option for me anyways. What a dumbass! :-/
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Is this what Microsoft is doing with unlucky Windows 7, focusing on bundled packaging instead of making the underlying OS capable of supporting various applications without using 50% of your CPU for virus protection, firewalling, and malware detection?
What a joke. They should be trying to make an OS which can compete on the low-end laptops(UMPs) with Linux and then build up from there. Instead, they have to pay the UMP manufacturers to double the memory and storage to run the old Windows XP Home( yes, the lowend version of WinXP ) and make sweetheart deals so the Linux versions are not cheaper than the WinXP versions.
Talk about a company wandering around without sight or instinct. The more I hear about this new OS after the recently released new OS, Vista, the more I think that this is Ozzy's baby and on a different timeline/track than the standard Windows Desktop/Server OS. Is this the Network computer they killed off about 10 years ago just as Google and others are doing it on handhelds and UMP devices along with thin clients? I guess another couple of years will shine some light on this since leaked pictures are 100% marketing dept sampling/testing and 100% unreliable from Microsoft. IMO.
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AC, there are dozens around me who have purchased new computers in the last 1.5 years and are running Vista because that is what the computer came with.
Don't fool yourself into thinking that OEM preloads has little to do with Vista uptake. Just like the first 3 years of XP and Win2K before it, the preload market is what drives new Microsoft APIs into the hands of willing purchasers.
Besides, WTF is the AC bringing up "flop" for when nobody else even mentioned it. Talking about a flop, why would Microsoft spend so much time on a new OS and not make it modular? I mean they come out with a new OS almost 2 years ago, put over 5 years into, and they have to bring Windows XP back from the dead to shop on these little laptops everyone is craving for? Even then, the Windows versions usually require 2x the system RAM and 2x the HD storage a Linux system requries and often times the Linux distro is packed with software. THAT my AC friend, is a flop IMO.
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visual basic is a winner? if anything it taught people how software should not be written. DOS, you want to say DOS was a winner when they had to use illegal business practices to protect it? Same goes for Windows, it is where it is because they leveraged a monopoly hold on the market to keep other OS vendors from growing. Read some history. And IMO, they get one star for bundling a bunch of office apps together. But again, they used Windows to move MS Office.
As far as Google goes, their ads are un-intrusive IMO and not annoying like many flash/animated ones on other sites. They also don't own the base platform for computing like Microsoft did/does and only support products which run on that base platform. ie Google is not forced onto a required device like Windows is forced on PC. And when I say forced, I mean OEMs have contracts which restrict their ability to sell other PCs running something other than Windows. No OEM can advertise they sell Linux PCs and many projects never got approved because of kickbacks for advertising Microsoft stuff would be eliminated if a Linux based product was sold. I don't see Google doing these things. They could but they have not shown that is their nature. Microsoft shows this as their nature to the core of their management and business ethics and has done so for 20+ years. And many who understand Microsoft know that many of those projects which have lost 10s of billions of dollars where designed to keep the competition from growing into a threat to Microsoft's desktop Windows position.
BTW, Intuit is a one-trick pony too. BFD
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on second thought is right. Even if Microsoft had HP's hardware they would still be missing a clue along with any ability to do even moderately good design work.
I really would love to see Microsoft purchase one of the big hardware vendors. It would be their end because every other hardware vendor would start dropping Windows like a piece of shattered glass.
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in the last 15 years, Microsoft has lost over $10 billion on Windows CE/PocketPC/Windows Mobile alone. The Xbox venture is probably already around $20 billion and yes, they've lost billions on everything outside of their ability to leverage the desktop OS monopoly. IMO
I figure this is more to keep executives happy and employees happy as they have already seen 30% of their retirement vaporize this year alone.
As far as Vista goes, it is forced onto OEM PCs so they get paid just like they did when Windows XP was preloaded. They might have changed the payment some because of different version packages but it's preload $$$ that keep flowing to their banks and only OEMs going away from Windows is going to slow that down. That's taking a while but gaining momentum every day.
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there was about to be a whole bunch of HP stock dumped on market as those fired 25,000 HP employees filed through HR and headed out on the street.
Is Microsoft doing the same, ie they are purchasing back stock so that the employee 'benefits' in stocks don't look like a worthless benefit? Or is Microsoft looking to be one of the last standing on Wall Street by saying "look, our stock has kept its value far better than others so buy ours so we ar not the only ones doing it."?
Or have there been any MS firings lately that I missed? When's Balmer leaving?
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Does Microsoft really want to play that game? Apple probably likes people to consider the Mac a Mac and not a PC but one mention of it and where's Microsoft's ad?
What is even more interesting is the little laptops and the full size desktops and laptops getting Linux installed. Are the "a PC" too?
And really, don't people know from experience that "being a PC" means all that fun virus, crashing updates, and rebooting stuff? Who's proud of being forced to deal with that?
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Copper is getting expensive enough these days without a 30 ton xformer blowing every time they turn that beast on. ;-/
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They've been riding on the coattails of their monopoly with the desktop OS for a couple of decades and everything outside of using that monopoly position has failed. Clueless and out of touch are good adjectives for them. IMO
I don't think I have ever seen a Microsoft ad that had any snap to it. The Apple 1984 ad was great, their PC/Mac ads are funny, IBM had done some good Linux ads like the child learning one. Microsoft has spend billions on ads and they shot blanks every time. Just think where they would be without that desktop OS monopoly funding all these failures.
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You're confusing OEM-branded IE shells with the normal shell.
no, I'm not talking about Internet Explorer, I'm talking about the desktop which is explorer.exe. The first time the kernel runs explorer.exe it loads the desktop and from then on, it opens up that file browser view. This has been the case as far back as Windows 95 and up through XP SP2 IIRC. As of Windows 95, Microsoft contractually blocked computer vendors from changing what their customers, the OEMs customers, saw for the desktop. It had to be what Microsoft shipped them atleast for the first time the customer booted the computer. The DOJ vs MSFT settlement might have allowed icons to be added and some customization but I don't think they went to the extent to let them totally replace explorer.exe on desktop PCs.
If you purchase an embedded license, you can probably have that capability but then again, Microsoft will not license embedded for desktop use. They insist that desktop users see their user interface and I doubt they will let OLPC replace explorer.exe with sugar.py so the kid does not know Windows is under the hood. Twenty something years of seeing these guys operate says it ain't gonna happen.
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but OEMs are not allowed to do this so it does not matter how easy it is for YOU to do it. Do you expect the kids to be taught to do this once they get their brand new XP-XOs? OLPC, as the OEM, will most likely not be allowed to do this.
And do you think that the $3 per device Microsoft gets is enough for them to allow Windows to be buried under some custom desktop UI? I surely don't because for Microsoft, this is not about making a profit on these devices, it is about promoting and spreading the reliance on Microsoft software.
Also, do you really think that with this being as "patently ridiculous" and simple to do and yet no PC OEM has done this since 1995 it is because Explorer is _the_ best way to do a desktop? If you do, then think again. Have you not heard how companies like HP, Compaq, and Dell had gone to putting special buttons on keyboard to bypass Microsoft's requirements of not changing the first boot desktop layout?
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When I see the XO running Windows and dropping directly into a custom application/desktop like Sugar instead of the standard MS Explorer desktop THEN I will agree that it is still a good thing for the kids getting these. But I doubt this well happen since the history Microsoft has of preventing OEMs from hiding the fact that Microsoft Windows is on the computer is a long one. I say "hiding Windows" because kids at the age the XO is designed for deserve a tool to teach learning, not a tool to learn how Microsoft decided applications should be started and how data files from those applications should be saved and retrieved. Sugar and the Journal do a pretty good job of getting out of the way so the kids can not only connect to each other over the network but also get back to the course work they have been working in a simple and elegant way.
I really doubt that Windows on the XO is going to be anything more than putting the MS Explorer desktop in front of the kids and the teachers are going to have to spend hours and hours attempting to teach kids just how to start and get to their classwork. Linux was hidden under Sugar, I doubt Windows will be hidden because Microsoft has only the desire to hook people on Windows and nothing more. It was supposed to be a tool for learning the 3 R's and now it has become a tool for learning Microsoft's way of doing a user interface. Talk about hitting a foul ball, this is way out of bounds from the original goal of the project. IMO.
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"XP is just essentially a vending machine."
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Damn that was well said and accurate. Nicely put.
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