No its all Apple. Apple make *nothing*; They design [perhaps] Apple products but famously they are manufactured in places like Foxconn [often by rioting workers....or small children] , from other companies components [because they don't do those either]...this does not excuse Apple for releasing a poorly tested, poor quality product [ironically allegedly to punish Samsung]. Its their brand embossed proudly on the rear, that is worthwhile at a massive mark-up to its hungry fans....now if it had been an LG laptop [which would probably be an awful lot cheaper] with a defective screen, that would have been a different matter, but Apple do not escape deserved criticism for re-badging products manufactured from other companies components [at an incredible mark-up no less]. Personally I think your better of buying a [Google]Pixel which has a great screen, unlike Apple that truck customers...Even Linus Agrees, although he prefers [GNU/]Linux on it.
the real shame here is that the EU still considers Microsoft's position to be an unfair advantage over its competitors browsers
It was and still is monopoly abuse. The fact that browsers exist on mobile devices where Microsoft is a laughing stock because its not an entrenched monopoly is just an aside. The reality is perhaps the EU should take a closer look at iOS and Android, to ensure that users are given a choice there, as we have seen the damage that Microsoft did [does] to the internet should not be allowed to move to other devices.
The shame here is it took browsers generation ahead....and a complete paradigm shift in computing habits over a decade to get 50% of the market, and still people defend Microsoft.
You might want to learn the difference between share price and market cap. For example, BRK-A is $152,742/share, GOOG is $821/share, and APPL is $420/share. But BRK-A's market cap is $250 billion, GOOG's market cap is $270 billion, and APPL's market cap is $397 billion.
Hate to get involved but if you bought share over the past 6 months Apple have lost about 40% where Google have risen 20%, which is the proof of his point.
I'm not sure why crime in NYC is being advertised so much. Is there something magical about that cities crime. Is is the usual Tax or New laws or draconian spying on the *ordinary people*...or something else.
http://www.idc.com/getdoc.jsp?containerId=prUS23946013 these are the latest figures from IDC as you can see Android occupies 70% while iOS occupies 20%. However you try to spin in Android is *THE* smartphone OS of choice, and however you spin it Android binaries will work on more phones that iOS binaries. This is true even if you don't care what OS you run on your phone:), perhaps the phones were simply better designed than Apples, perhaps if Apple spent more money on designing its phones, people wouldn't be buying then 350% more Android Phones.
On topic my point was about compatibility...and increasingly Android compatibility is a must, iOS is simply a niche OS without it.
Does anyone have more information and hard references or proof of this(as opposed to idle hearsay) in Windows, or is it just more of the anti-Microsoft urban legend hearsay FUD peddled around these parts?
Lots of information is passed to Microsoft how do you think http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows_Genuine_Advantage Windows [dis]advantage works. It is what pushed me into trying linux in the first place. [that and a 132GB hard drive limit]
You should reread my comment...it is implying that the Pixel is poor value...like Apple products are [come with massive mark-ups] although I suspect it probably is good value, what I perhaps should have said is "Market Price", but either way your not arguing what you think you are arguing.
Apple's computer revenues have fallen far less than the average x86 and have gained marketshare.
These are Apples figures *published* by Apples for the latest quarter. http://images.apple.com/pr/pdf/q1fy13datasum.pdf there is no spin its simply down 22% year on year 18% down on the quarter...and yes even revenues are down 16% and 17% because that is what happens when you sell less units.
Like the GP pointed out, consumers don't buy MS Office (they pirate MS Office)
Ironically in the context of this article, I use libreoffice on my desktop...and I bought my office suite in a sale on Android. Please do not tar others with your brush:)
The use of sic can be seen as an example of the linguistic device of appeal to ridicule, whether intentional or not, because it highlights perceived irregularities. The application of sic with intent to disparage has been called the "benighted use" because it creates a "false sense of superiority" in its users.[7] The following example from The Times demonstrates how the interpolation of sic can subtly discredit a quoted statement.
Warehouse has been around for 30 years and has 263 stores, suggesting a large fan base. The chain sums up its appeal thus: "styley [sic], confident, sexy, glamorous, edgy, clean and individual, with it's [sic] finger on the fashion pulse."[18]"
The first thing you need to do when schooling someone is make sure you are correct beforehand.
So it's time to lift the monopoly restrictions on Microsoft, don't you think?
Absolutely, Microsoft should simply be banned from having a browser at all, they have set back the internet years, due to their monopoly abuse, and are still subverting open standards for their own ones.
In fact we should look at Microsoft [continuing] criminal abuses, and say "Never Again", Android, IOS, even tiny OSes Like WindowsRT should have legal protection for replacing the browser, and an option screen to select a few browsers, so it never happens again.
I'm a little tired of this quote being misused without reading the article on wikipedia. From that tiny article
"any headline which ends in a question mark can be answered by the word "no." The reason why journalists use that style of headline is that they know the story is probably bollocks, and don’t actually have the sources and facts to back it up, but still want to run it."
use Chromebooks? Or Google Apps, even? It's creeping up there surely, but so few it's not even a statistical aberration yet.
I remember Balmer laughing at Linux being such a small percentage. Its kind of ironic that you would try to do the same in they year Android is set to overtake window as the primary OS, an OS Microsoft Office does not run on, but Google Docs does.
The truth is, there is no such thing as 'the' greatest laptop on the market today. Everyone has different preferences and priorities.
No, because its nothing to do with preferences(sic) and priorities(sic). Its because they took a 2560 x 1700 pixels touchscreen and threw quality [and lets be honest beautiful hardware] around it.
Microsoft can and will cause compatibility pain with Quickoffice, with Microsofts marketshare 0wning the enterprise, this will cause their ball to keep rolling, and others to lose pace
Microsoft can be as disruptive as it can, but increasingly Office is looking very shaky in the post pc world....how well is the surface selling? how about windows phone? clearly Office is not selling hardware. Yet alternative hardware from Apple and Google are outselling Windows several times.
Its not that Microsoft is not still the horribly destructive monopoly it always was, its just that *that* monopoly is just not as ripe for abuse as it once was.
Yes, everyone's always wanted to pay $1000+ for a computer that they don't own that has worse specs than one half the price.
I know Apples computer sales have taken a massive hit this quarter, but this is about Chrome. Who have chromebooks at $200[they are the machine at half the price] and at $1200 [that comes with a 2560 x 1700 touchscreen] attacking both ends of the market. I wonder where HP's chromebooks are going to end up:)
The "consumer market" is not what drives Office sales and use, it's business sales and use.
Steve Balmer said the the iPhone would fail because enterprise wanted a phone with a keyboard [its quite famous]. I don't know if its true about enterprise adopting quickoffice, but the days of enterprise influencing your purchasing habits have long gone.
QuickOffice doesn't have to be better than LibreOffice to disrupt MS Office - it's got to be quite obviously better.
Actually Libreoffice is better than Microsoft Office in many ways, Google has Branding [and Money, influence and power], something Libreoffice unfortunately lost [Much to the disgrace of the Apache foundation]. Lets be honest Microsfoft Office in not very good, if it hadn't been for an incredibly entrenched monopoly [or open file formats] it would have been replaced years ago.
Unless your desperate in protecting the Macbook Air profits nobody is going to argue that the Pixel is not the greatest Laptop on the market today.
The only real questions are about Chrome, and all things being even right now. Chrome has the edge over Windows [at least in this crazy transitional period], and OS X which still is not there yet. Although what a great Ubuntu Machine
Although judging by Apples 25% drop in sales we don't want polished high end hardware...we want good value, affordable work machines.
The real question is though as always does Microsoft Office matter, as someone who has lived without it using then the answer is yes, and I think the lower priced chromebooks running ARM will will enterprise.
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LG was the manufacturer of the defective screen
No its all Apple. Apple make *nothing*; They design [perhaps] Apple products but famously they are manufactured in places like Foxconn [often by rioting workers....or small children] , from other companies components [because they don't do those either]...this does not excuse Apple for releasing a poorly tested, poor quality product [ironically allegedly to punish Samsung]. Its their brand embossed proudly on the rear, that is worthwhile at a massive mark-up to its hungry fans....now if it had been an LG laptop [which would probably be an awful lot cheaper] with a defective screen, that would have been a different matter, but Apple do not escape deserved criticism for re-badging products manufactured from other companies components [at an incredible mark-up no less]. Personally I think your better of buying a [Google]Pixel which has a great screen, unlike Apple that truck customers...Even Linus Agrees, although he prefers [GNU/]Linux on it.
the real shame here is that the EU still considers Microsoft's position to be an unfair advantage over its competitors browsers
It was and still is monopoly abuse. The fact that browsers exist on mobile devices where Microsoft is a laughing stock because its not an entrenched monopoly is just an aside. The reality is perhaps the EU should take a closer look at iOS and Android, to ensure that users are given a choice there, as we have seen the damage that Microsoft did [does] to the internet should not be allowed to move to other devices.
The shame here is it took browsers generation ahead....and a complete paradigm shift in computing habits over a decade to get 50% of the market, and still people defend Microsoft.
You might want to learn the difference between share price and market cap. For example, BRK-A is $152,742/share, GOOG is $821/share, and APPL is $420/share. But BRK-A's market cap is $250 billion, GOOG's market cap is $270 billion, and APPL's market cap is $397 billion.
Hate to get involved but if you bought share over the past 6 months Apple have lost about 40% where Google have risen 20%, which is the proof of his point.
I'm not sure why crime in NYC is being advertised so much. Is there something magical about that cities crime. Is is the usual Tax or New laws or draconian spying on the *ordinary people*...or something else.
I'm no expert but last time NYC was trolling with http://news.cnet.com/8301-13579_3-57561160-37/nyc-mayor-blames-theft-of-apple-devices-for-uptick-in-crime/ Apple iPhone crime, ironically nothing as exciting as international *hacking* related involved in these crimes, that are apparently so frequent they skew statistics..its just your good old fashioned stealing.
My guess is *tracking* everyone by their phones...My second guess would be firewall NYC.
Actually iOS seems to be the system of choice
http://www.idc.com/getdoc.jsp?containerId=prUS23946013 these are the latest figures from IDC as you can see Android occupies 70% while iOS occupies 20%. However you try to spin in Android is *THE* smartphone OS of choice, and however you spin it Android binaries will work on more phones that iOS binaries. This is true even if you don't care what OS you run on your phone :), perhaps the phones were simply better designed than Apples, perhaps if Apple spent more money on designing its phones, people wouldn't be buying then 350% more Android Phones.
On topic my point was about compatibility...and increasingly Android compatibility is a must, iOS is simply a niche OS without it.
Jobs was referring to fragmentation of a specific
Ironically while the rest of the world has chosen on Android its Apple who fragments the market :)
From that link:
Does anyone have more information and hard references or proof of this(as opposed to idle hearsay) in Windows, or is it just more of the anti-Microsoft urban legend hearsay FUD peddled around these parts?
Lots of information is passed to Microsoft how do you think http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows_Genuine_Advantage Windows [dis]advantage works. It is what pushed me into trying linux in the first place. [that and a 132GB hard drive limit]
Ubuntu is evil! Richard Stallman says so!!
No Richard Stallman says this http://www.fsf.org/blogs/rms/ubuntu-spyware-what-to-do which is about the intrusive nature of an opt-out system on them in which local system search terms are sent to Amazon.
Quit with the hyperbole already. It is what it is.
And how is the Pixel a good value?
You should reread my comment...it is implying that the Pixel is poor value...like Apple products are [come with massive mark-ups] although I suspect it probably is good value, what I perhaps should have said is "Market Price", but either way your not arguing what you think you are arguing.
Apple's computer revenues have fallen far less than the average x86 and have gained marketshare.
These are Apples figures *published* by Apples for the latest quarter. http://images.apple.com/pr/pdf/q1fy13datasum.pdf there is no spin its simply down 22% year on year 18% down on the quarter...and yes even revenues are down 16% and 17% because that is what happens when you sell less units.
Apple is losing over 1 in every 5 customers
Like the GP pointed out, consumers don't buy MS Office (they pirate MS Office)
Ironically in the context of this article, I use libreoffice on my desktop...and I bought my office suite in a sale on Android. Please do not tar others with your brush :)
You' ve indicated by the use of "(sic)" that those two words are either misspelled or improperly-used.
Would you care to elaborate, as both words are spelled properly...?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sic
"Form of ridicule
The use of sic can be seen as an example of the linguistic device of appeal to ridicule, whether intentional or not, because it highlights perceived irregularities. The application of sic with intent to disparage has been called the "benighted use" because it creates a "false sense of superiority" in its users.[7] The following example from The Times demonstrates how the interpolation of sic can subtly discredit a quoted statement.
Warehouse has been around for 30 years and has 263 stores, suggesting a large fan base. The chain sums up its appeal thus: "styley [sic], confident, sexy, glamorous, edgy, clean and individual, with it's [sic] finger on the fashion pulse."[18]"
The first thing you need to do when schooling someone is make sure you are correct beforehand.
So it's time to lift the monopoly restrictions on Microsoft, don't you think?
Absolutely, Microsoft should simply be banned from having a browser at all, they have set back the internet years, due to their monopoly abuse, and are still subverting open standards for their own ones.
In fact we should look at Microsoft [continuing] criminal abuses, and say "Never Again", Android, IOS, even tiny OSes Like WindowsRT should have legal protection for replacing the browser, and an option screen to select a few browsers, so it never happens again.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Betteridge's_law_of_headlines
I'm a little tired of this quote being misused without reading the article on wikipedia. From that tiny article
"any headline which ends in a question mark can be answered by the word "no." The reason why journalists use that style of headline is that they know the story is probably bollocks, and don’t actually have the sources and facts to back it up, but still want to run it."
use Chromebooks? Or Google Apps, even? It's creeping up there surely, but so few it's not even a statistical aberration yet.
I remember Balmer laughing at Linux being such a small percentage. Its kind of ironic that you would try to do the same in they year Android is set to overtake window as the primary OS, an OS Microsoft Office does not run on, but Google Docs does.
how many, realistically, use Chromebooks? Or Google Apps, even?
Enough that Google think they can charge http://www.google.com/enterprise/apps/business/pricing.html
for Google Apps for Business.
The truth is, there is no such thing as 'the' greatest laptop on the market today. Everyone has different preferences and priorities.
No, because its nothing to do with preferences(sic) and priorities(sic). Its because they took a 2560 x 1700 pixels touchscreen and threw quality [and lets be honest beautiful hardware] around it.
No
Microsoft can and will cause compatibility pain with Quickoffice, with Microsofts marketshare 0wning the enterprise, this will cause their ball to keep rolling, and others to lose pace
Microsoft can be as disruptive as it can, but increasingly Office is looking very shaky in the post pc world....how well is the surface selling? how about windows phone? clearly Office is not selling hardware. Yet alternative hardware from Apple and Google are outselling Windows several times.
Its not that Microsoft is not still the horribly destructive monopoly it always was, its just that *that* monopoly is just not as ripe for abuse as it once was.
Yes, everyone's always wanted to pay $1000+ for a computer that they don't own that has worse specs than one half the price.
I know Apples computer sales have taken a massive hit this quarter, but this is about Chrome. Who have chromebooks at $200[they are the machine at half the price] and at $1200 [that comes with a 2560 x 1700 touchscreen] attacking both ends of the market. I wonder where HP's chromebooks are going to end up :)
No special "show ID" to prove you are a student or any such.
So essentially you lied. Most people are not comfortable with that, I think you need to look inward, rather than tar others with the same brush :)
only idiots spent $200 for MS Office at home
Yeah especially when it only costs $140.
I would have to pay For the crippled home and business 2013 its £220($333) and for office professional its £390 ($590)
http://office.microsoft.com/en-gb/microsoft-office-professional-2013-FX102918381.aspx?WT.intid1=ODC_ENGB_FX010064710_XT103927664&WT.intid2=ODC_ENGB_FX010064710_XT103927685
The "consumer market" is not what drives Office sales and use, it's business sales and use.
Steve Balmer said the the iPhone would fail because enterprise wanted a phone with a keyboard [its quite famous]. I don't know if its true about enterprise adopting quickoffice, but the days of enterprise influencing your purchasing habits have long gone.
QuickOffice doesn't have to be better than LibreOffice to disrupt MS Office - it's got to be quite obviously better.
Actually Libreoffice is better than Microsoft Office in many ways, Google has Branding [and Money, influence and power], something Libreoffice unfortunately lost [Much to the disgrace of the Apache foundation]. Lets be honest Microsfoft Office in not very good, if it hadn't been for an incredibly entrenched monopoly [or open file formats] it would have been replaced years ago.
Because Google is already disrupted the Game :)
Unless your desperate in protecting the Macbook Air profits nobody is going to argue that the Pixel is not the greatest Laptop on the market today.
The only real questions are about Chrome, and all things being even right now. Chrome has the edge over Windows [at least in this crazy transitional period], and OS X which still is not there yet. Although what a great Ubuntu Machine
Although judging by Apples 25% drop in sales we don't want polished high end hardware...we want good value, affordable work machines.
The real question is though as always does Microsoft Office matter, as someone who has lived without it using then the answer is yes, and I think the lower priced chromebooks running ARM will will enterprise.