Having read your advertisement for an obsolete phone. I heartily disagree with you. I can criticise anyone I want. Nokia is a failure...Windows Phone is a failure. Pretending otherwise is a little sad. Its not hate that a say this, just that by every metric a massive failure on a scale unprecedented.
No most Linux[sic] users think Linux refers to the kernel, of the OS, but use it as a generic name for *Linux based Distributions"
Which means RMS was right about calling it "GNU/Linux". Unlike Linux distributions typically installed on a laptop, desktop, or server, Android contains little if any software produced by the GNU project. For example, it uses Google Bionic instead of glibc. Embedded Linux systems likewise tend to replace GNU software, such as replacing glibc with lighter weight Newlib or uClibc.
RMS was right then...but that was then and this is now RMS lost the PR battle, Linus acted better over the whole thing and Linus lets face created a hell of a product, that you can comfortable argue is a Jewel in the Open Source World. That said I owe my Desktop Linux experience to X; Gnome; Firefox and LibreOffice but it could just as easily B Wayland; KDE; Chromium and Calligra.
Personally I always liked Hurd...because it means group, but I don't really care. The original post was trying to imply Desktop Linux is the same as Android, and they are so far from being the same its kind of sweet.
Last time I used a virus scanner: 10 years ago when I abandoned Windows for OSX.
Android is the Windows of mobile phones. More so than Windows Phone is!
No Android is the Android of mobile phones, and seems to be proactive in keeping the platform clean. First we had Bouncer and now this. I suspect Apple is not so studious with its liberated phones. Apple has had virus on those since 2009 I notice.
Subtle. Very subtle. For those who don't remember, MS-DOS v6.0 shipped with Microsoft AV 20 years ago. Clearly it didn't keep people safe from viruses.
I've often said Android is the Windows of the phone world. Maybe it's worse...
Hi Apple user:) You are aware that this is simply an extra layer of protection. Does your precious apple offer this functionality especially for those people who have chosen to bypass Apples overreaching limitations.
Maybe now that Android is a big market player and is threatened by malware it will finally shut up Linux zealots who claim Linux doesn't get viruses.
No most Linux[sic] users think Linux refers to the kernel, of the OS, but use it as a generic name for *Linux based Distributions" A sort a collection of programs, but contains things like a graphical desktop[ie Gnome] , and famously GNU tools userland? collectively I think we would define it as Desktop Linux. Understand this has NOTHING to do with Android other than they share a common kernel which benefits both of them.
Most Linux users except that its impossible to get viruses, just that its improbable, and exploits in the wild are rare, but obviously they are not too arrogant to not take precautions.
I think your a little confused when using the word zealot. I think what you meant Fabulously Sexy Linux Users OMG!
Google is either lying when they 1.3 million phones are activated per day, or Android is such a piece of shit operating system that you have to activate it continuos over and over again to get it to work.
A. Nokia had been losing market value for quite some time before Elop was placed at the helm. More or less this is why he was placed at the helm B. Nokia management effectively sabotaged engineering efforts via 1) destructive competition between different groups and 2) excessive corporate bureaucracy. C. MeeGo was practically dead on arrival for multiple reasons. Political: essentially because Intel was involved. Technical: the Slashdot hive mind needs to learn that Qt is not very good. It has a variety of serious technical defects(memory leaks and performance issues being at the top) and is poorly suited for mobile. From the point of view of engineering, its innards are a mess and it's documentation is lacking to the point to figure out what a member function of a class is going to do, on one needs to examine the source code. One can witness that even Trolltech knows that is sucks to a large degree in that Qt 5.0 is about pushing QML driven by JavaScript. That is right folks, the C++ interface is such garbage to just avoid it. D. The N9 (Harmattan) was late, very late. Moreover it is not even really a MeeGo device. By the time the device was out, the hardware was horribly outdated for a high-endish phone. The N9's hardware has some serious feature issues: slow GPU, no hardware video decode being the top issues.
What is awful is this: if Nokia had stuck with Maemo (which was not Qt based at all), then the N9 would have been out sooner and the platform would have been better. Weather or not to stick with Maemo/MeeGo or to dump it was a non-trivial call. That platform had a HUGE number of issues (some of which are caused by that Intel and it's Moblin involvement). It also had horror issues coming from Qt. Nokia was WISE to dump Qt to Digia, but it was terribly unwise to have bought it in the first place. I can name only a few programs that use Qt and I hate them all. KDE sucks ass, it is slow and gets in my way. Origin (that is right EA's version Steam) is also a Qt application. Anyone like Origin? I did not think so.
I think when you point out things to consider you should start by pointing out that Nokia was gaining market share, and then go on to describe how the N9 outsold the lumia range, with a limited market release. I think I covered the quantitative points.
the company was heading for dismal state before he took it on... just like blackberry didn't take the iphone release seriously, playing catchup ever since...
The blackberry did not have a smartphone OS. It had a Push email OS. Nokia had SEVERAL smartphone OS's, and a market share in smartphones several times that of the iPhone, which in reality will never command as much market share as Nokia lost. Android had
"The option was to go with Android or Microsoft, there is simply no third option to ready to compete" so Meego did not exist?
"Android, they would have been me too player". Yet Microsoft threw Nokia under the bus with WP8 and HTC have announced their windows phones first, and cheap than comparable offerings by Nokia.
"The Windows phone, as a product in itself is actually better than iOS or Android" No its not. It is be every measure behind them by years.
"Lumia 920 is the top contender in terms of display, features, camera, navigation" No its behind again. Its specs are massively outdated, so much so it cannot even run Windows Phone 8. A stillborn phone.
There are some serious denial issues going on here Nokia is dying, pretending that things are going to change is the problem. Worryingly its not just you that tells themselves this lie. It looks like Elop is going to continue on its current path of destruction.
They are seriously good now, too. It's only Android fanbois who refuse to see it, because Nokia devices do not run the One True Platform.
They are a shadow of their former self in every way, their hardware is less impressive than it was years ago!! As for Nokia choosing Android, they are saying so because Android holds a market share of 70% of the market and has 1.3million activations a day...and they could go android tomorrow!!! The reality is Nokia went Microsoft exclusive and it has predictably turned out truly awful!!! But And5roid could be Meego, WebOS, Something else just as easy.
No Nokia was NEVER failing it wasn't, that is the repeated claim, but read the article. The figures simply do not add up. As for you claims the Google is crushing the industry with patent claims is not only nonsense they spent 12.5Billion on a phone company just to defend itself with their patent portfolio. As for Apple making patent claims...you are seriously misinformed, Apple PAY Nokia for their patents, Nokia has nothing to fear.
People are suggesting Android, simply because well Android won, so retrospectively it looked at good choice, and Nokia were 50% larger than Samsung when this started. The reality is though they could have gone WebOS; They had three of their own OS, and Android [which now command 70% of the Smartphone Market Windows Phone 3.5%]. It could have chosen one or all of them, Going EXCLUSIVE with the looser OS has predictably turned out terribly for Nokia, Samsung didn't choose Android they have several OS's Android is simply a success for them.
I got way down the page and found that I was in reality not even a quarter through and still hadn't seen any explanation of the title of the article (three pillars). Just a bunch of rambling. I tried reading some more then hit the tl;dr; wall.
Can someone list succinctly (like the article should have) what the three pillars are?
From the Article "three pillars, one on the dumbphones unit (as before); one on Symbian but one that would be run down (changing from before) and one new leg, that built on Windows Phone, which would fully replace the Symbian leg over time - and more - would even take some of the business from the dumbphones unit."
Basically The First part is saying how Nokia was doing great before Elop...In fact great up until the Burning Platform Memo. Where basically Elop said what Nokia was producing was garbage, and they should go for the three pillar stratergy. The Second part is about the three pillars, Dumbphones(Keep em), Symbian Smartphones gracefully being replaced by Windows Phones, and about Nokias graph of the plan in graphical form with detailed explanation. The Third part is showing how well this plan went sown (Spoiler now well) Explaining each portion of the graph from plan to execution. The Fourth part is basically justifying getting rid of the Stratergy and Elop. The Twist at the end is that even though The strategy is not only failing Nokia's current stratergy is to keep following it!?
The short version is you should really read the article before posting here, the longer version is its an invaluable blog if you have the vaguest interest in Mobile Phones.
Other cellphone makers are leaving a lot of 'easy' niches open IMHO: - You need a shop in high street. Android is too generic, Samsung is too much of everything else (TV's and stuff) - Nokia could have an 'Apple store' and get away with it. - You need security and robustness. Smartphones are moving from a hipster-thing to a commodity right now, so it's time you start addressing companies to use smartphones for company uses. And then I mean properly - with security inside the phone, bigger batteries and compatibility with office tools. Huge market. - Stop doing everything that's irritating about Apple: no app-store, no iTunes obligation, no stupid connectors, no wrong way to hold it. No selling your soul to placate His Steveness. Emphasize it. Android does that, but not enough - it has no commercial incentive: make sure that hipsters are on the defensive - it's easy: they're hipsters.
You seem a little confused Nokia has several!! OS offerings, and a larger more successful store. Nokias phones were considered so rebust they were a meme!! Nokia are following Apple, because Microsoft is following Apple they have to change OS's to stop.
Oh, a link to blog post by Ahonen, with nothing really new.
I agree that execution by Elop has been sub-par. But calling that "SYMBIAN WAS WINNING" is even by wearing Symbian-goggles a very red-rosed opinion of what was going on. Nokia was in huge trouble, it's UI teams competing with each other and handset teams not building on the same platform as noted in in an article from yesterday. Symbian as it was was dead. Developers hated it, users disliked it compared to competition and why it did so good up until the end was good quality Nokia hardware.
Ahonen is right on some points, but he seems to totally disagree on that Nokia had to do something, by going on with Symbian without major rework was just not feasible, the whole MeeGo thing was really screwed up with competing package managers, UIs and teamwork with Intel so as a CEO what what would have he done - he doesn't tell. Maybe MeeGo strategy would have proved to be success.
I don't want to resort to ad-hominems but in case of Ahonen I would take his comments with a grain of salt - he clearly has an axe to grind with Nokia and the postings he has made and appearances on interviews smell like bitterness. And they always boil to one point: Profits before elop and profits after Elop.
Besides a few slashdot nerds no one was buying MeeGo phones. These same nerds knew other nerds with these phones and assumed everyone was buying them.
Nokia stopped making them becuase no one was buying them - the only people complaining about this are a few slashdot nerds and Nokia execs who lost their jobs.
This is a quote from the January 26th 2012 by Tomi Ahonen
“Luckily I didn’t have to do the math for this, the nice people at All About Symbian had tracked the numbers (read through the comments) and calculated the limits, finding N9 sales to be between the level of 1.5 million and 2.0 million units in Q4. Wow! Nokia specifically excluded all of its richest and biggest traditional markets where it tried to sell the Lumia, and these countries achieved – lets call it the average, 1.75 million unit sales of the N9 in Q4. So the one N9 outsold both Lumia handsets by almost exactly 3 to 1.” [1]
Apple sold 5 million iPhone 5s on opening weekend. As of 1 month ago, Nokia has sold 7 million Lumias. Total.
The Lumia was introduced in November 2011, so that's 10 months of sales. Apple sold over 100 million iPhones last year.
That is not the half of it Android activates 1.3 Million phones every day, and has a market share 4 times that of Apple, and Nokia could have had an Android product...and still had a Windows one if it really wanted.
the iphone stole 14% of mobile PROFITS a year after it was first released. and that was only 1 million units sold.
almost all of those cheapo phones sold around the world make no money. all the profits are made on a few devices.
apple is now at something like 60% of PROFITS of all cell phones sold around the world. Samsung is 30% or more. everyone else is fighting for scraps
iPhone never stole anything! Apple make massive mark-ups to their products and have people prepared to pay for it. Most people aren't which is why Androids market share is 4 times that of Apples...and Apples is dropping. Apple does well with early adopters, but now the market is maturing not so much!
Seriously, nokia's been delivering very high quality products lately, and I still see a LOT of people using their phones (I'd say 10:1 to apple's stuff) where I live.
So I'd say this is just paid FUD. By whom. No idea, but I'd point at whoever could benefit from nokia's stock falling.
Lets not talk about FUD but little thing called facts. This is the latest from IDC
Nokia had no true smartphone os so it was windows or android. And android is Samsung.
The geeks might have liked the n900 or whatever it was but the iPhone and droid had all the hype
The iPhone and droid may have had hype...but Nokia had growing market share; an App store; incredible phones...and most importantly choices. It decided to burn them in a memo and yes Meego was one of them, but regardless of dismissing other peoples opinions just because they are more technical than yourself. The cold truth is the current Strategy failed, and is continuing to fail!!
Hatred towards Nokia on Slashdot... Why not failing HTC, patent troll Motorola Mobility (nobody in Europe buys that Chinese crap btw)...
I think mentioning HTC is very relevant, ignoring the shear scale on which Nokia has been destroyed by Elop in Months, for the third ecosystem [in reality sixth], to produce Windows Phones. Ironically one of HTC's strategy is to produce Windows phones too next year, and they cheaper than Nokia's offerings for equivalent models.
You call Apple, and say "Hey, I hear you have a maps problem. Guess what? We have lots of map data and experience."
I could see how that would help Apple. I can see how it might get some short term money from Apple, but as they already get money from Apple, and still managed to burn through $10Billion in months how exactly is this going help Nokia. In fact other than promoting Maps on Nokia over Apple like they are already doing. I fail to see any benefit.
I don't think your comment really justifies that much white space, its still a tiny list of companies that can't evolve from their feature phones. The reality is Android companies with a compelling product are doing well. Apple is doing really well selling shit as gold, but its market share is dropping everywhere. As for Google making money from Android this is only the beginning. In countries like china Where it has 12x the market share of Apple...and Apple is dropping. I think you need to stop having an Apple/US centric view of the mobile market. The world is dominated by Android.
Unless you're a programmer or a hobbyist, I don't see why anybody would need two. Just pick one and get on with more interesting things.
If you can't see why you might need a different interface...with different programs for the OS on your phone with its 4" display and capacitive screen,small storage and relative weak graphics and processing power compares to your console which has 40" screen uses gestures/hand control, large storage, powerful graphics processor and multiple powerful CPU's. You may think the strategy works for Microsoft et al but I personally think it will be as successful as putting desktop windows on tablets.
Yes, and you'll have nice interoperability too . ..
No you won't, years old binaries work on multiple Linux systems. I personally keep all my binaries in a soft linked/opt so I can migrate between distributions easily. As for the open source stuff from your Distro Maintainer...why would you care, just get it from your maintainer...there are even programs to convert packages between different package mangers.
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Having read your advertisement for an obsolete phone. I heartily disagree with you. I can criticise anyone I want. Nokia is a failure...Windows Phone is a failure. Pretending otherwise is a little sad. Its not hate that a say this, just that by every metric a massive failure on a scale unprecedented.
No most Linux[sic] users think Linux refers to the kernel, of the OS, but use it as a generic name for *Linux based Distributions"
Which means RMS was right about calling it "GNU/Linux". Unlike Linux distributions typically installed on a laptop, desktop, or server, Android contains little if any software produced by the GNU project. For example, it uses Google Bionic instead of glibc. Embedded Linux systems likewise tend to replace GNU software, such as replacing glibc with lighter weight Newlib or uClibc.
RMS was right then...but that was then and this is now RMS lost the PR battle, Linus acted better over the whole thing and Linus lets face created a hell of a product, that you can comfortable argue is a Jewel in the Open Source World. That said I owe my Desktop Linux experience to X; Gnome; Firefox and LibreOffice but it could just as easily B Wayland; KDE; Chromium and Calligra.
Personally I always liked Hurd...because it means group, but I don't really care. The original post was trying to imply Desktop Linux is the same as Android, and they are so far from being the same its kind of sweet.
Last time I used a virus scanner: 10 years ago when I abandoned Windows for OSX.
Android is the Windows of mobile phones. More so than Windows Phone is!
No Android is the Android of mobile phones, and seems to be proactive in keeping the platform clean. First we had Bouncer and now this. I suspect Apple is not so studious with its liberated phones. Apple has had virus on those since 2009 I notice.
Subtle. Very subtle. For those who don't remember, MS-DOS v6.0 shipped with Microsoft AV 20 years ago. Clearly it didn't keep people safe from viruses.
I've often said Android is the Windows of the phone world. Maybe it's worse...
Hi Apple user :) You are aware that this is simply an extra layer of protection. Does your precious apple offer this functionality especially for those people who have chosen to bypass Apples overreaching limitations.
Maybe now that Android is a big market player and is threatened by malware it will finally shut up Linux zealots who claim Linux doesn't get viruses.
No most Linux[sic] users think Linux refers to the kernel, of the OS, but use it as a generic name for *Linux based Distributions" A sort a collection of programs, but contains things like a graphical desktop[ie Gnome] , and famously GNU tools userland? collectively I think we would define it as Desktop Linux. Understand this has NOTHING to do with Android other than they share a common kernel which benefits both of them.
Most Linux users except that its impossible to get viruses, just that its improbable, and exploits in the wild are rare, but obviously they are not too arrogant to not take precautions.
I think your a little confused when using the word zealot. I think what you meant Fabulously Sexy Linux Users OMG!
Google is either lying when they 1.3 million phones are activated per day, or Android is such a piece of shit operating system that you have to activate it continuos over and over again to get it to work.
In 2011 there were a total of 491.4 million smart phones sold. 491.4/365 is ~1.3 million. As we all know not every one of those phones is an android phone.
Fun chart plotting Androids activation a day.
http://www.businessinsider.com/chart-of-the-day-android-activations-per-day-2012-9
A. Nokia had been losing market value for quite some time before Elop was placed at the helm. More or less this is why he was placed at the helm
B. Nokia management effectively sabotaged engineering efforts via 1) destructive competition between different groups and 2) excessive corporate bureaucracy.
C. MeeGo was practically dead on arrival for multiple reasons. Political: essentially because Intel was involved. Technical: the Slashdot hive mind needs to learn that Qt is not very good. It has a variety of serious technical defects(memory leaks and performance issues being at the top) and is poorly suited for mobile. From the point of view of engineering, its innards are a mess and it's documentation is lacking to the point to figure out what a member function of a class is going to do, on one needs to examine the source code. One can witness that even Trolltech knows that is sucks to a large degree in that Qt 5.0 is about pushing QML driven by JavaScript. That is right folks, the C++ interface is such garbage to just avoid it.
D. The N9 (Harmattan) was late, very late. Moreover it is not even really a MeeGo device. By the time the device was out, the hardware was horribly outdated for a high-endish phone. The N9's hardware has some serious feature issues: slow GPU, no hardware video decode being the top issues.
What is awful is this: if Nokia had stuck with Maemo (which was not Qt based at all), then the N9 would have been out sooner and the platform would have been better. Weather or not to stick with Maemo/MeeGo or to dump it was a non-trivial call. That platform had a HUGE number of issues (some of which are caused by that Intel and it's Moblin involvement). It also had horror issues coming from Qt. Nokia was WISE to dump Qt to Digia, but it was terribly unwise to have bought it in the first place. I can name only a few programs that use Qt and I hate them all. KDE sucks ass, it is slow and gets in my way. Origin (that is right EA's version Steam) is also a Qt application. Anyone like Origin? I did not think so.
I think when you point out things to consider you should start by pointing out that Nokia was gaining market share, and then go on to describe how the N9 outsold the lumia range, with a limited market release. I think I covered the quantitative points.
the company was heading for dismal state before he took it on ... just like blackberry didn't take the iphone release seriously, playing catchup ever since...
The blackberry did not have a smartphone OS. It had a Push email OS. Nokia had SEVERAL smartphone OS's, and a market share in smartphones several times that of the iPhone, which in reality will never command as much market share as Nokia lost. Android had
"The option was to go with Android or Microsoft, there is simply no third option to ready to compete" so Meego did not exist?
"Android, they would have been me too player". Yet Microsoft threw Nokia under the bus with WP8 and HTC have announced their windows phones first, and cheap than comparable offerings by Nokia.
"The Windows phone, as a product in itself is actually better than iOS or Android" No its not. It is be every measure behind them by years.
"Lumia 920 is the top contender in terms of display, features, camera, navigation" No its behind again. Its specs are massively outdated, so much so it cannot even run Windows Phone 8. A stillborn phone.
There are some serious denial issues going on here Nokia is dying, pretending that things are going to change is the problem. Worryingly its not just you that tells themselves this lie. It looks like Elop is going to continue on its current path of destruction.
They are seriously good now, too. It's only Android fanbois who refuse to see it, because Nokia devices do not run the One True Platform.
They are a shadow of their former self in every way, their hardware is less impressive than it was years ago!! As for Nokia choosing Android, they are saying so because Android holds a market share of 70% of the market and has 1.3million activations a day...and they could go android tomorrow!!! The reality is Nokia went Microsoft exclusive and it has predictably turned out truly awful!!! But And5roid could be Meego, WebOS, Something else just as easy.
No Nokia was NEVER failing it wasn't, that is the repeated claim, but read the article. The figures simply do not add up. As for you claims the Google is crushing the industry with patent claims is not only nonsense they spent 12.5Billion on a phone company just to defend itself with their patent portfolio. As for Apple making patent claims...you are seriously misinformed, Apple PAY Nokia for their patents, Nokia has nothing to fear.
People are suggesting Android, simply because well Android won, so retrospectively it looked at good choice, and Nokia were 50% larger than Samsung when this started. The reality is though they could have gone WebOS; They had three of their own OS, and Android [which now command 70% of the Smartphone Market Windows Phone 3.5%]. It could have chosen one or all of them, Going EXCLUSIVE with the looser OS has predictably turned out terribly for Nokia, Samsung didn't choose Android they have several OS's Android is simply a success for them.
I got way down the page and found that I was in reality not even a quarter through and still hadn't seen any explanation of the title of the article (three pillars). Just a bunch of rambling. I tried reading some more then hit the tl;dr; wall.
Can someone list succinctly (like the article should have) what the three pillars are?
From the Article "three pillars, one on the dumbphones unit (as before); one on Symbian but one that would be run down (changing from before) and one new leg, that built on Windows Phone, which would fully replace the Symbian leg over time - and more - would even take some of the business from the dumbphones unit."
Basically
The First part is saying how Nokia was doing great before Elop...In fact great up until the Burning Platform Memo. Where basically Elop said what Nokia was producing was garbage, and they should go for the three pillar stratergy.
The Second part is about the three pillars, Dumbphones(Keep em), Symbian Smartphones gracefully being replaced by Windows Phones, and about Nokias graph of the plan in graphical form with detailed explanation.
The Third part is showing how well this plan went sown (Spoiler now well) Explaining each portion of the graph from plan to execution.
The Fourth part is basically justifying getting rid of the Stratergy and Elop. The Twist at the end is that even though The strategy is not only failing Nokia's current stratergy is to keep following it!?
The short version is you should really read the article before posting here, the longer version is its an invaluable blog if you have the vaguest interest in Mobile Phones.
Other cellphone makers are leaving a lot of 'easy' niches open IMHO:
- You need a shop in high street. Android is too generic, Samsung is too much of everything else (TV's and stuff) - Nokia could have an 'Apple store' and get away with it.
- You need security and robustness. Smartphones are moving from a hipster-thing to a commodity right now, so it's time you start addressing companies to use smartphones for company uses. And then I mean properly - with security inside the phone, bigger batteries and compatibility with office tools. Huge market.
- Stop doing everything that's irritating about Apple: no app-store, no iTunes obligation, no stupid connectors, no wrong way to hold it. No selling your soul to placate His Steveness. Emphasize it. Android does that, but not enough - it has no commercial incentive: make sure that hipsters are on the defensive - it's easy: they're hipsters.
You seem a little confused
Nokia has several!! OS offerings, and a larger more successful store.
Nokias phones were considered so rebust they were a meme!!
Nokia are following Apple, because Microsoft is following Apple they have to change OS's to stop.
Oh, a link to blog post by Ahonen, with nothing really new.
I agree that execution by Elop has been sub-par. But calling that "SYMBIAN WAS WINNING" is even by wearing Symbian-goggles a very red-rosed opinion of what was going on. Nokia was in huge trouble, it's UI teams competing with each other and handset teams not building on the same platform as noted in in an article from yesterday. Symbian as it was was dead. Developers hated it, users disliked it compared to competition and why it did so good up until the end was good quality Nokia hardware.
Ahonen is right on some points, but he seems to totally disagree on that Nokia had to do something, by going on with Symbian without major rework was just not feasible, the whole MeeGo thing was really screwed up with competing package managers, UIs and teamwork with Intel so as a CEO what what would have he done - he doesn't tell. Maybe MeeGo strategy would have proved to be success.
I don't want to resort to ad-hominems but in case of Ahonen I would take his comments with a grain of salt - he clearly has an axe to grind with Nokia and the postings he has made and appearances on interviews smell like bitterness. And they always boil to one point: Profits before elop and profits after Elop.
From the latest results of IDC Q2
http://www.idc.com/getdoc.jsp?containerId=prUS23638712
Symbian 4.5% windows phone 3.5%
Besides a few slashdot nerds no one was buying MeeGo phones. These same nerds knew other nerds with these phones and assumed everyone was buying them.
Nokia stopped making them becuase no one was buying them - the only people complaining about this are a few slashdot nerds and Nokia execs who lost their jobs.
This is a quote from the January 26th 2012 by Tomi Ahonen
“Luckily I didn’t have to do the math for this, the nice people at All About Symbian had tracked the numbers (read through the comments) and calculated the limits, finding N9 sales to be between the level of 1.5 million and 2.0 million units in Q4. Wow! Nokia specifically excluded all of its richest and biggest traditional markets where it tried to sell the Lumia, and these countries achieved – lets call it the average, 1.75 million unit sales of the N9 in Q4. So the one N9 outsold both Lumia handsets by almost exactly 3 to 1.” [1]
Apple sold 5 million iPhone 5s on opening weekend. As of 1 month ago, Nokia has sold 7 million Lumias. Total.
The Lumia was introduced in November 2011, so that's 10 months of sales. Apple sold over 100 million iPhones last year.
That is not the half of it Android activates 1.3 Million phones every day, and has a market share 4 times that of Apple, and Nokia could have had an Android product...and still had a Windows one if it really wanted.
the iphone stole 14% of mobile PROFITS a year after it was first released. and that was only 1 million units sold.
almost all of those cheapo phones sold around the world make no money. all the profits are made on a few devices.
apple is now at something like 60% of PROFITS of all cell phones sold around the world. Samsung is 30% or more. everyone else is fighting for scraps
iPhone never stole anything! Apple make massive mark-ups to their products and have people prepared to pay for it. Most people aren't which is why Androids market share is 4 times that of Apples...and Apples is dropping. Apple does well with early adopters, but now the market is maturing not so much!
What phones aren't made in China?
Ironically Nokias before Elop sacked Nokias workforce
But I'm very skeptical of this article's honesty.
Seriously, nokia's been delivering very high quality products lately, and I still see a LOT of people using their phones (I'd say 10:1 to apple's stuff) where I live.
So I'd say this is just paid FUD. By whom. No idea, but I'd point at whoever could benefit from nokia's stock falling.
Lets not talk about FUD but little thing called facts. This is the latest from IDC
http://www.idc.com/getdoc.jsp?containerId=prUS23638712
As you can see for each Windows Phone user there are TWENTY Android users and Five Apple users.
Nokia had no true smartphone os so it was windows or android. And android is Samsung.
The geeks might have liked the n900 or whatever it was but the iPhone and droid had all the hype
The iPhone and droid may have had hype...but Nokia had growing market share; an App store; incredible phones...and most importantly choices. It decided to burn them in a memo and yes Meego was one of them, but regardless of dismissing other peoples opinions just because they are more technical than yourself. The cold truth is the current Strategy failed, and is continuing to fail!!
Hatred towards Nokia on Slashdot... Why not failing HTC, patent troll Motorola Mobility (nobody in Europe buys that Chinese crap btw)...
I think mentioning HTC is very relevant, ignoring the shear scale on which Nokia has been destroyed by Elop in Months, for the third ecosystem [in reality sixth], to produce Windows Phones. Ironically one of HTC's strategy is to produce Windows phones too next year, and they cheaper than Nokia's offerings for equivalent models.
You call Apple, and say "Hey, I hear you have a maps problem. Guess what? We have lots of map data and experience."
I could see how that would help Apple. I can see how it might get some short term money from Apple, but as they already get money from Apple, and still managed to burn through $10Billion in months how exactly is this going help Nokia. In fact other than promoting Maps on Nokia over Apple like they are already doing. I fail to see any benefit.
I don't think your comment really justifies that much white space, its still a tiny list of companies that can't evolve from their feature phones. The reality is Android companies with a compelling product are doing well. Apple is doing really well selling shit as gold, but its market share is dropping everywhere. As for Google making money from Android this is only the beginning. In countries like china Where it has 12x the market share of Apple...and Apple is dropping. I think you need to stop having an Apple/US centric view of the mobile market. The world is dominated by Android.
Do I really need TWO OS'es?
Unless you're a programmer or a hobbyist, I don't see why anybody would need two. Just pick one and get on with more interesting things.
If you can't see why you might need a different interface...with different programs for the OS on your phone with its 4" display and capacitive screen,small storage and relative weak graphics and processing power compares to your console which has 40" screen uses gestures/hand control, large storage, powerful graphics processor and multiple powerful CPU's. You may think the strategy works for Microsoft et al but I personally think it will be as successful as putting desktop windows on tablets.
Yes, and you'll have nice interoperability too . . .
No you won't, years old binaries work on multiple Linux systems. I personally keep all my binaries in a soft linked /opt so I can migrate between distributions easily. As for the open source stuff from your Distro Maintainer...why would you care, just get it from your maintainer...there are even programs to convert packages between different package mangers.