Firefox and Opera not only are supporting it. Opera is the one who originally suggested the tag, and simply cannot afford the implementation that Apple, Microsoft are forcing on the world. Thank goodness there is a real alternative.
You are implying that evolution should stop. If this generation of codecs is superseded...and these are already appearing. Your implying those shouldn't be used.
Your implying that Apple and Microsoft wouldn't simply support WebM. Where are the announcement "More the Merrier". Its not like there is not more than one language in the world;). They don't and we both know why and the reasons stink!
I'll use flash for my HTML4 needs and look forward to WebM for my HTML5 and web developers who don't support this will not be getting my page views. I also look forward to better...and hopefully truly open video codecs in the future.
I like to have an idea of how long a page is taking to load and where the link I'm looking at is going.
The earlier betas had thin guage along the top of the tab/url box. I really liked it not sure where it has gone or whether it will come back. Although not having it I did not notice until I saw your reply
Double click blank space for a new tab is gone, right-click -> new tab is gone
middle mouse button is friend. using it on a link will bring it up in a new tab; using it on the blank space will bring up a new tab; using it on a tab removes that tab. Almost the same functionality only better.
hovering over URLs now squeezes the URL to be visited into the URL box with the current URL, unreadable light coloured fonts have been chosen and for most URLs you can barely read a fraction of the URL - It's dreadful
Its a lovely feature, but they do need to sort out the colours.
I am a little sick of accusations of copying when in reality I think they are moving in the same direction. Internet Explorer is looking more like Firefox daily. Firefox's interface changes very little over 3 major versions. have a look through the history http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Mozilla_Firefox
For "Feature Bloat". I agree but only because I have a similar feature built into my desktop twinned with "Open All in Tabs" from bookmarks. I have finally just taken it off the toolbar having never used it, but for the life of me I cannot think of anything else that I would call bloat.
What they did was "OPEN" the fact that it is driven to do so by business intentions...and one of then is to be open does not mean that these things are not mutually exclusive..they never are, most good things come from self interest.
The fact that it turn iDevices into worthless bricks is a bonus. Hopefully they will know better and buy from a more reputable company, which is more open to a new codec. Because those don't come out every year.
Wow Google make a business decision over the VIDEO tag which having bought a codec, having some control over the largest growing mobile video platform, and a influential web browser. A decision that has been made by half of the overall browser market it could make to avoid having a situation like MP3(its chosen OGG for the Sound portion)
Seriously MP3 needs to look at having its patents seriously inspected. Those things run out in 2017. I think the open web would benefit a great deal from having a patent free implementation of MP3.
Because benefit vs effort in doing so for himself is negligible and he can't distribute it for the same reasons Mozilla/Google don't Lots and lots of Money!
$5 million a year and spiralling...its not a one of cost.
They seem to get a lot of things for their $100 million
1) Kick Apples iPlatform
2) Save Years of Patent Costs
3) Maintain a market where the defaults arn't Bing
4) Cheap encoding/decoding for everyone and submit to youtube
5) Advertising:)
I suspect Google has enough spare processing power to re-encode its Videos. It already set up to do so.
You need iTunes. Have a proprietary dock you are pretty locked into Apples infrastructure, and then get upset when things happen outside it. WebM is just one Codec...there will be others. Enjoy your equipment. I will be watching WebM on my TV and on the move.
One advantage of WebM over H.264 native support in the largest browser share. With Videos in that format from the largest video provider on the net...I think that also covers the rest of the rant too.
I'm a little confused by your comments regarding cults Google, Mozilla and Opera are companies who have made these choices based on whether they get to roll around on piles of money...or Steve Jobs does.
No one knows or cares what processor is in their phone as long as the interface is smooth. And iOS 4 is smooth as silk on that seven month old single core processor.
For games, all that really matters is how well developers are targeting your platform. I'd say they're doing a pretty good job of targeting the iPhone 4.
Lots of people care. Thats why they publish specifications, and put them on little labels next to phones. When the iPhone was a smartphone competing against feature phones it didn't matter - or phone with pinch and zoom...or the amount of applications that it had. It matters more because people are on contracts at Version and the iPhone is getting less attractive by the day. You have to remember that some of us have has the iPhone on Multiple carriers for a long time and still seen explosive growth of android.
No one in their right mind is going to pay for Apple DRM this late in the game. See "The Beatles".
Apple DRM? Last I checked, iTunes Store didn't contain any DRM-crippled files anymore. Just plain AAC-encoded music. Or am I wrong? Does Apple ID3-tag the songs with some info about the buyer or implement some other nefarious scheme?
Yes Apple does add info about the buyer in its tags. Clearly they are not informing their customers of this.:). Oh and AAC is patent encumbered.
I want to play warsow and xonotic, and watch 1080p movies without having to pay 7500 rupees for an OS I'll never use.
You could use the OS to play warsow and xonotic, maybe even watch 1080p movies with it. Personally, I think the only sane solution for linux (and opengl) graphics is nvidia anyway... everything else seems to treat those as an afterthought.
The everything else is Intel and AMD, and Intel have been significant in their contributions to the kernel and X. Nvidia have had security vulnerabilities for years, and have held back Distributions...and seen bent on not supporting wayward. That said they provide very fast hardware and Drivers, but those "everything else" are proving that/good enough without the negatives of closed source.
http://cgit.freedesktop.org/xorg/driver/xf86-video-intel/log/ If you look 2.13.903 is out this will become 2.14 unless something major is found. This took a whole day !! to go from final release candidate to release for 2.12. I wonder what those linux users who imported from Malaysia will do.
One big reason that Linux has low uptake is due to lack of hardware support. Its more than a chicken egg problem. It in many ways is aided by the attitude problems of linux developers themselves. The only way to get decent hardware support is to demand hardware vendors release drivers. Its the only way to get well tested drivers for the hardware, there is too much hardware for Linux developers to buy it all and test to see if the drivers work. However, many hardware drivers will not or cannot release drivers open source. It wont happen in many cases. Either the driver contains third party licenced code or what have you. Yet Linux refuses to allow binary drivers to work and to maintain compatability with binary drivers for past kernels. Hardware makers wont mess with trying to support linux if they have to make 30 different drivers for each kenel and distro combo. Another problem with Linux developers is the simply dismal and pathetic documentation for writing drivers. Ive studied this, I know, the documentation is crap to non existant and many driver makers throw up their hands. Linux developers think they are more important than they really are. Linux has 3% market share yet is far more difficult to work with than Windows. Windows has far better documentation and software kits for driver writing. Linux is 1% or less desktop market share, hardware makers are not going to waste their time with a kernel written by people who dont know how to document things and have an arrogant attitude. I beleive Linux kernel developers have always wanted Linux to be something that was difficult to use and impossible for regular users, this makes them feel special, like they are elites, for actually being able to get the damn thing to actually work.
Binary drivers being made possible and better documentation would actually increase OSS use and would also lead to more OSS drivers in the long run. With more binary drivers user share would increase, once Linux has user share, then it can start to bargain more to get more OSS drivers from companies. Binary are things that OSS purists could opt out of, as well, OSS alternatives could be developed, and the binary drivers could serve to provide something to use until an OSS driver is available. its not like the binary drivers will be forced on anyone. And for about 3% of the kernel being binary we can get a useable, open source system that can take on windows, and once there is a larger user share for Linux, then it can be in a better position to demand more OSS drivers.
lol On topic Why would the Russian government simply state that over the next four years they chose hardware that gasp works with Linux...or pay Russian Programmers to write drivers
That said...seriously I cannot begin to tell you whats wrong with that post, but ponder this would you want to support, maintain, update a binary chunk in your kernel...what could be the downside.
In fact your talking about Linux adoption...which is difficult for Billy down the road, but for the Russian Govenment not so much.
the Russian government doesn't buy too many games, so don't expect much progress on that front.
Important($$) industry applications generally have Linux versions available. (Pro/E, Cadence,...)
I think the link between the release of Humble Bundle 2 and this news cannot be understated. Its wonderful that a few independent games made $400,000 in one week from Linux users, and the influence this may have on future Linux Game development, but the push for the for full scale adoption of Linux by the Russian federal authorities simply because World of Goo is suitable replacement for Tetris is Fantastic.
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Firefox and Opera not only are supporting it. Opera is the one who originally suggested the tag, and simply cannot afford the implementation that Apple, Microsoft are forcing on the world. Thank goodness there is a real alternative.
Your implying that Apple and Microsoft wouldn't simply support WebM. Where are the announcement "More the Merrier". Its not like there is not more than one language in the world ;). They don't and we both know why and the reasons stink!
I'll use flash for my HTML4 needs and look forward to WebM for my HTML5 and web developers who don't support this will not be getting my page views. I also look forward to better...and hopefully truly open video codecs in the future.
You have locked your self into the Apple walled garden didn't you. Personally next month I will be watching WebM videos on youtube through firefox :).
I like to have an idea of how long a page is taking to load and where the link I'm looking at is going.
The earlier betas had thin guage along the top of the tab/url box. I really liked it not sure where it has gone or whether it will come back. Although not having it I did not notice until I saw your reply
Double click blank space for a new tab is gone, right-click -> new tab is gone
middle mouse button is friend. using it on a link will bring it up in a new tab; using it on the blank space will bring up a new tab; using it on a tab removes that tab. Almost the same functionality only better.
hovering over URLs now squeezes the URL to be visited into the URL box with the current URL, unreadable light coloured fonts have been chosen and for most URLs you can barely read a fraction of the URL - It's dreadful
Its a lovely feature, but they do need to sort out the colours.
I am a little sick of accusations of copying when in reality I think they are moving in the same direction. Internet Explorer is looking more like Firefox daily. Firefox's interface changes very little over 3 major versions. have a look through the history http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Mozilla_Firefox
I don't think I could miss any version of Internet Explorer. Although Firefox as was interface got so much right that little has changed.
For "Feature Bloat". I agree but only because I have a similar feature built into my desktop twinned with "Open All in Tabs" from bookmarks. I have finally just taken it off the toolbar having never used it, but for the life of me I cannot think of anything else that I would call bloat.
The fact that it turn iDevices into worthless bricks is a bonus. Hopefully they will know better and buy from a more reputable company, which is more open to a new codec. Because those don't come out every year.
Seriously MP3 needs to look at having its patents seriously inspected. Those things run out in 2017. I think the open web would benefit a great deal from having a patent free implementation of MP3.
Because benefit vs effort in doing so for himself is negligible and he can't distribute it for the same reasons Mozilla/Google don't Lots and lots of Money!
I'd rather have the option of using both,
Strangely, IE9 would be your browser of choice then.
And I say strangely only because this is /. and here choice is always good as long as that choice has nothing at all to do with Microsoft.
It is definitely about choice. Google said no...and they have to pay for the damned thing.
These options do not apply to XP. The OS with the majority share :). Microsoft Wrote a plugin for Firefox for H.264 as well !?
They seem to get a lot of things for their $100 million :)
1) Kick Apples iPlatform
2) Save Years of Patent Costs
3) Maintain a market where the defaults arn't Bing
4) Cheap encoding/decoding for everyone and submit to youtube
5) Advertising
I suspect Google has enough spare processing power to re-encode its Videos. It already set up to do so.
Richard Stallman does not run google. It is not a religion its a business, and has made a business decision.
LOL this choice was made for Chrome,Opera and Firefox the cutting edge browsers for financial reasons. Nothing to do with religion.
You need iTunes. Have a proprietary dock you are pretty locked into Apples infrastructure, and then get upset when things happen outside it. WebM is just one Codec...there will be others. Enjoy your equipment. I will be watching WebM on my TV and on the move.
WebM doesn't work!? yes clearly Google/Mozilla and Opera are MAD.
One advantage of WebM over H.264 native support in the largest browser share. With Videos in that format from the largest video provider on the net...I think that also covers the rest of the rant too. I'm a little confused by your comments regarding cults Google, Mozilla and Opera are companies who have made these choices based on whether they get to roll around on piles of money...or Steve Jobs does.
No one knows or cares what processor is in their phone as long as the interface is smooth. And iOS 4 is smooth as silk on that seven month old single core processor.
For games, all that really matters is how well developers are targeting your platform. I'd say they're doing a pretty good job of targeting the iPhone 4.
Lots of people care. Thats why they publish specifications, and put them on little labels next to phones. When the iPhone was a smartphone competing against feature phones it didn't matter - or phone with pinch and zoom...or the amount of applications that it had. It matters more because people are on contracts at Version and the iPhone is getting less attractive by the day. You have to remember that some of us have has the iPhone on Multiple carriers for a long time and still seen explosive growth of android.
Apple chucked their DRM a couple of years ago. They also sell all of their music encoded at 256kbps. Get with the times, or get fucked.
If only they would be able to have devices that could act as Mass Storage Devices...or perhaps have the tunes in a less patent encumbered format.
No one in their right mind is going to pay for Apple DRM this late in the game. See "The Beatles".
Apple DRM? Last I checked, iTunes Store didn't contain any DRM-crippled files anymore. Just plain AAC-encoded music. Or am I wrong? Does Apple ID3-tag the songs with some info about the buyer or implement some other nefarious scheme?
Yes Apple does add info about the buyer in its tags. Clearly they are not informing their customers of this. :). Oh and AAC is patent encumbered.
I want to play warsow and xonotic, and watch 1080p movies without having to pay 7500 rupees for an OS I'll never use.
You could use the OS to play warsow and xonotic, maybe even watch 1080p movies with it. Personally, I think the only sane solution for linux (and opengl) graphics is nvidia anyway... everything else seems to treat those as an afterthought.
The everything else is Intel and AMD, and Intel have been significant in their contributions to the kernel and X. Nvidia have had security vulnerabilities for years, and have held back Distributions...and seen bent on not supporting wayward. That said they provide very fast hardware and Drivers, but those "everything else" are proving that/good enough without the negatives of closed source.
http://cgit.freedesktop.org/xorg/driver/xf86-video-intel/log/ If you look 2.13.903 is out this will become 2.14 unless something major is found. This took a whole day !! to go from final release candidate to release for 2.12. I wonder what those linux users who imported from Malaysia will do.
2011: Year of the Linux Tablet
Analogous to "Year of the linux desktop every year, next year!"
Sorry, it had to be done.
Two words Galaxy Tab 2010 was the year of the Linux Tablet!?
I think you meant was "Year of the Windows Tablet"
Sorry had to tell the truth
One big reason that Linux has low uptake is due to lack of hardware support. Its more than a chicken egg problem. It in many ways is aided by the attitude problems of linux developers themselves. The only way to get decent hardware support is to demand hardware vendors release drivers. Its the only way to get well tested drivers for the hardware, there is too much hardware for Linux developers to buy it all and test to see if the drivers work. However, many hardware drivers will not or cannot release drivers open source. It wont happen in many cases. Either the driver contains third party licenced code or what have you. Yet Linux refuses to allow binary drivers to work and to maintain compatability with binary drivers for past kernels. Hardware makers wont mess with trying to support linux if they have to make 30 different drivers for each kenel and distro combo. Another problem with Linux developers is the simply dismal and pathetic documentation for writing drivers. Ive studied this, I know, the documentation is crap to non existant and many driver makers throw up their hands. Linux developers think they are more important than they really are. Linux has 3% market share yet is far more difficult to work with than Windows. Windows has far better documentation and software kits for driver writing. Linux is 1% or less desktop market share, hardware makers are not going to waste their time with a kernel written by people who dont know how to document things and have an arrogant attitude. I beleive Linux kernel developers have always wanted Linux to be something that was difficult to use and impossible for regular users, this makes them feel special, like they are elites, for actually being able to get the damn thing to actually work.
Binary drivers being made possible and better documentation would actually increase OSS use and would also lead to more OSS drivers in the long run. With more binary drivers user share would increase, once Linux has user share, then it can start to bargain more to get more OSS drivers from companies. Binary are things that OSS purists could opt out of, as well, OSS alternatives could be developed, and the binary drivers could serve to provide something to use until an OSS driver is available. its not like the binary drivers will be forced on anyone. And for about 3% of the kernel being binary we can get a useable, open source system that can take on windows, and once there is a larger user share for Linux, then it can be in a better position to demand more OSS drivers.
lol On topic Why would the Russian government simply state that over the next four years they chose hardware that gasp works with Linux...or pay Russian Programmers to write drivers
That said...seriously I cannot begin to tell you whats wrong with that post, but ponder this would you want to support, maintain, update a binary chunk in your kernel...what could be the downside.
In fact your talking about Linux adoption...which is difficult for Billy down the road, but for the Russian Govenment not so much.
the Russian government doesn't buy too many games, so don't expect much progress on that front. Important($$) industry applications generally have Linux versions available. (Pro/E, Cadence, ...)
I think the link between the release of Humble Bundle 2 and this news cannot be understated. Its wonderful that a few independent games made $400,000 in one week from Linux users, and the influence this may have on future Linux Game development, but the push for the for full scale adoption of Linux by the Russian federal authorities simply because World of Goo is suitable replacement for Tetris is Fantastic.