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Pink Floyd Give In To Digital Downloads

An anonymous reader writes "Tripped out old rockers Pink Floyd have inked a deal with EMI to allow single tracks by the band to be peddled as digital downloads. The remains of the band was in court less than a year ago, arguing that cutting up their albums and selling individual tracks undermined the 'artistic integrity' of their work. Now, though they've given in to the Man, and the likes of Money, Shine on you Crazy Diamond and Comfortably Numb will soon no doubt be available as 99p downloads on iTunes. Have a cigar."

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  1. Give the old guys a break by brownerthanu · · Score: 1

    They are allowed to roll with the times.

    1. Re:Give the old guys a break by Canazza · · Score: 1

      Truefact: Shine on you crazy diamond sounds like a sea chanty/jazz fusion when listened to at 300% speed

      I expect a DMCA notice any time now (I maintain it's a parody)

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    2. Re:Give the old guys a break by Brett+Buck · · Score: 0

      That's pretty awesome and a vast improvement over the tedious, pretentious, and lugubrious original.

    3. Re:Give the old guys a break by element-o.p. · · Score: 4, Funny

      I rather suspect that one who describes something as "lugubrious" on an Internet forum has no business calling anything else "pretentious". Besides, I rather enjoyed "Shine on you crazy diamond" (as well as the rest of "Wish You Were Here" for that matter).

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    4. Re:Give the old guys a break by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Compare 'Shine On You Crazy Diamond Part 1' to 'Signs of Life' from Momentary Lapse of Reason.
      Thematically, they are very similar. Discuss.

  2. The Gnome by alphatel · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Money, get back. I'm all right Jack keep your hands off of my stack.

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    1. Re:The Gnome by Shadow+Wrought · · Score: 4, Funny

      I'm all right Jack keep your hands off of my stack.

      Apparently their resistence hit The Wall.

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    2. Re:The Gnome by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      actually, I have had the "Comfortably Numb" single for at least over 6 months already... not a very accurate post here!

    3. Re:The Gnome by MrKaos · · Score: 1

      Money, get back. I'm all right Jack keep your hands off of my stack.

      Money, it's a hit. Don't give me none of that do goody good bullshit.

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    4. Re:The Gnome by Sponge+Bath · · Score: 1, Funny

      That's what I told the TSA guy. Then they tasered me.

    5. Re:The Gnome by oldhack · · Score: 1

      They tasered you, bro?

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    6. Re:The Gnome by TheGratefulNet · · Score: 2

      careful with those tracks, eugene!

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    7. Re:The Gnome by Nethead · · Score: 1

      One of these days I'm going to cut you into little pieces.

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    8. Re:The Gnome by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yo, Mr. Floyd. Welcome to the machine.

  3. Netcraft confirms it by kimvette · · Score: 1

    Netcraft confirms it - album rock and concept albums are officially dead. :(

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    1. Re:Netcraft confirms it by mcgrew · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Damned kids... most of Pink Floyd's songs are far better in context; at least, the later albums (all but the first two).

      You won't likely hear Echoes on the radio. Is that one 99c too? It's a whole album side, about 20 minutes long IIRC.

    2. Re:Netcraft confirms it by chispito · · Score: 1, Interesting

      Netcraft confirms it - album rock and concept albums are officially dead. :(

      If one of the two had to die:

      1) Good five-minute songs that cost $12 and come packaged with 9 crappy songs

      2) Music that is only written and sold in the album format

      I'm glad it was #1. Besides, I still download entire albums and listen to the tracks consecutively all the time.

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    3. Re:Netcraft confirms it by XxtraLarGe · · Score: 1

      album rock and concept albums are officially dead

      There's nothing stopping you from downloading & listening to whole albums on iTunes. I do this regularly, since the bands I listen to (Flyleaf, Red, etc.) tend to have really good songs & the albums work out to be a much better deal than buying individual tracks.

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    4. Re:Netcraft confirms it by kimvette · · Score: 2

      I hear Echoes on the radio from time to time. The other day I heard Free Four on the radio as well. I hadn't previously heard that on the radio since I was a toddler. Sometimes the local classic rock station plays some of the longer and also the lesser known gems from Pink Floyd (like Fearless). On occasion they'll actually play Shine On You Crazy Diamond in entirety. More often you hear the staples though: Comfortably Numb, Run like Hell, Wish You Were Here or Welcome to the Machine, or on rare occasion Hey You and possibly The Happiest Days of Our Lives/Another Brick in the Wall Part II.

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    5. Re:Netcraft confirms it by icebike · · Score: 2

      Well, Pink should have realized long ago (like everyone else) that selling a single will attract more to buying the album than just selling the album alone.

      And if that doesn't happen for a certain percentage of the audience, so what? They are not harmed by someone who does not happen to see the beauty of the whole album.

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    6. Re:Netcraft confirms it by MightyMartian · · Score: 1

      I'm curious as to how this is going to work with Meddle, Wish You Were Here or Animals, both of which are dominated by incredibly long tracks.

      I wonder if Roger Waters had something to do with this, hoping that someone might finally listen to The Final Cut.

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    7. Re:Netcraft confirms it by NiteShaed · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Well, Pink should have realized long ago (like everyone else) that selling a single will attract more to buying the album than just selling the album alone.

      What makes you think they care? They've made their money, millions and millions, maybe they really do care more about the presentation than anything else at this point (maybe they always have). Pink Floyd albums are about the concept, not the song. Try putting a few Floyd albums into your MP3 player and hitting shuffle....it's FUCKING HORRIBLE. Songs cut off seemingly in the middle, 10 second tracks of people shouting pop up out of nowhere, it's a mess. If you listen to them as albums though, it's a totally different experience (and IMHO a pretty great one).

      There are tons of bands that put out good stand-alone songs, but it's just not really what Pink Floyd does. If I were them, I'd push to keep the albums together, and sell only the songs that worked as singles back when they were released individually, things like Money, Comfortably Numb, Run Like Hell. It just doesn't make sense to buy most of Pink Floyd's music as individual tracks.....

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    8. Re:Netcraft confirms it by morari · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Exactly. Pink Floyd's discography is largely made up of concept albums. While some single tracks are enjoyable out of context, nothing compares to the actual album. Of course, kids nowadays are used to albums full of shit with only one or two tracks even worth listening to...

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    9. Re:Netcraft confirms it by rjmx · · Score: 1

      Besides, I still download entire albums and listen to the tracks consecutively all the time.

      That's possible, now that most sane players allow you to sort in track order (and even default to it!). A lot of the original mp3 (etc) players would sort tracks in alphabetical order, which made absolutely no sense from a listener point of view.

    10. Re:Netcraft confirms it by angus77 · · Score: 1

      Ummm...you might want to take a look at their sales figures before yo say that. Pink Floyd's one of the best-selling groups in all history. They and Led Zeppelin achieved those numbers without the help of singles.

    11. Re:Netcraft confirms it by nofx_3 · · Score: 1

      I wonder if anyone has dared to play Terminal Frost on the radio.

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    12. Re:Netcraft confirms it by hedwards · · Score: 1

      Indeed. Personally, I'm a sucker for concept albums, and even for more typical albums, there used to be a lot of thought that went into the rest of the album. These days, I often fail to see the point of a lot of these artists even releasing an album, seeing as there's only a single's worth of quality tracks on there.

    13. Re:Netcraft confirms it by hedwards · · Score: 1

      For albums that were recorded prior to the ITMS you have that option. However going forward it's less rosy, as there's just less thought put into it when people can just buy the singles without the rest of the album, or even a B side for that matter.

      After all what's the point of putting together 10 tracks that fit together in a particular way, if people are likely only going to buy at most 3 of them?

    14. Re:Netcraft confirms it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1
    15. Re:Netcraft confirms it by Actually,+I+do+RTFA · · Score: 1

      Well, Pink Floyd has the third best selling album of all time, and another album in the top thirty. Those two albums alone sold over 75 million copies. But you're right... imagine if they had let people play singles!

      And Pink Floyd care for artistic, not commercial reasons. They want their work to be respected, and they consider that disrespect. If you don't need the money, great.

      I would love nothing better than to be able to say that some of my customers don't deserve my work... because they don't. But they can afford it, and I need the cash.

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    16. Re:Netcraft confirms it by JonJ · · Score: 1

      They've made their money, millions and millions, maybe they really do care more about the presentation than anything else at this point (maybe they always have).

      Apparantly not.

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    17. Re:Netcraft confirms it by afidel · · Score: 1

      Winamp's been around about as long as mp3 on the PC and it's always defaulted to track number as far as I can recall, certainly it always played playlists in order.

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    18. Re:Netcraft confirms it by icebike · · Score: 1

      Well there are other artists that release some very long tracks work on a variable price model. Digging in Amazon for artists I know release long long songs, I came up with several off the top of my (somewhat dated) head that deal with this via mix and match approach with variable pricing on long works, and some still restricted to album only sales. I used Amazon because they let you sort by song length.

      For instance, Mike Oldfield charges 99 cents on Amazon for anything up to 10 minutes then seems to switch to 3 or 4 bucks for 20 minute songs, or Album only.

      Ferry Corsten releases many 10 minute songs for 99 cents.

      Tangerine Dream, another band doing long songs release some tracks of 27 minutes for 99 cents, others for 3 bucks, and others Album only, and almost everything under 10 minutes for 99.

      So it seems that some music resellers manage to deal with variable pricing on long songs, and still retain the option of Album Only for those that they really feel must be released this way.

      It doesn't have to be all or nothing.

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    19. Re:Netcraft confirms it by kimvette · · Score: 3, Insightful

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Dark_Side_of_the_Moon

      The Dark Side of the Moon was an immediate success, topping the Billboard 200 for one week. It subsequently remained in the charts for 741 weeks from 1973 to 1988, longer than any other album in history. With an estimated 45 million copies sold, it is Pink Floyd's most commercially successful album and one of the best-selling albums worldwide. It has twice been remastered and re-released, and has been covered by several other acts. It spawned two singles, "Money" and "Us and Them". In addition to its commercial success, The Dark Side of the Moon is one of Pink Floyd's most popular albums among fans and critics, and is frequently ranked as one of the greatest rock albums of all time.

      The singles were released well after the album charted, BTW. There were a few Pink Floyd singles but very few of them, and they really were not contributing factors to the albums' successes.

      What made Pink Floyd successful was once they achieved a certain level of success in England they had the attitude of "fuck it" where the labels were concerned, and did what they wanted - and what they wanted to do was avant guard experimental music.

      Some might hate the Ummagumma studio record but I love it for its uniqueness, that it is so out there, but that they manage to achieve such ethereal and non-traditional sounds and yet still arrange them into musical works. They had an entire album side where each member could do whatever the heck struck their fancy at the moment, and a lot of the stuff is fantastically weird, but in a good way.

      And strangely, Pink Floyd have mastered balancing complexity and simplicity, never quite taking it "over the top" like Queen did, keeping the composition as a whole in mind, especially with their longer pieces and with Meddle, when they started delving into the "concept album" idea. Now, some of it did get a little whiny due to Roger's daddy issues, but they are still quite good. One vastly underrated work is "the final cut" which is actually quite good. It's missing Rick's keyboard work so it is missing the signature Pink Floyd sound and ambiance, but if you consider it a Roger Waters solo work (which it pretty much is thanks to his egomania at the time) it's likely his best solo work to date.

      Meddle? The track Echoes is orgasmic to listen to. IMHO, it is one of the best tracks ever recorded. The way I can think of to best describe Pink Floyd is as a modern take of classical, where the pieces can be long and there can be a lot that is complex, but that there is a consistency to it that is missing from a lot of today's mainstream pop.

      That's not to say that they are like Metallica where everything since the black album sounds like the black album. It's more that there is a quality and presence to Pink Floyd's work where you can hear a measure of a work from them and know it's them, even if you had never heard that work before. A lot of that has to do with Wright's talent on the keys as a Jazz musician, but it also has to do with their focus on a good, clean sounding production (the engineering aspect of the recording).

      I really hope that the labels haven't lost sight of the potential this kind of music has. It certainly doesn't earn a quick buck and requires a big investment and 2-3 albums that might flop, but once the work gains notice it could very easily become a dinosaur.

      Singles are not necessary. A great album can sell itself. The problem is the labels are unwilling to take such risks - they can't see the HUGE profits past their greed.

      And as far as selling out is concerned, and the issue being over money rather than integrity? They were offered $100mil each to tour after 2005. They turned the money down, saying they would do more charity gigs but not tour. Those guys don't need money when they're each earning millions per MONTH from record sales alone, let alone current projects and investments, and licensed works. Once you're making a million a year, or ten million, or whatever, what's a million more? Money that will just sit, or you'll just blow on useless crap, or give away/donate.

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    20. Re:Netcraft confirms it by afidel · · Score: 1

      Good artists still do albums, Tale of God's Will a requiem for Katrina by Terence Blanchard is a great example I picked up this year =)

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    21. Re:Netcraft confirms it by icebike · · Score: 1

      What makes you think they care?

      Ah, maybe the fact that the relented and changed their mind?

      Just sayin.....

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    22. Re:Netcraft confirms it by mug+funky · · Score: 1

      well... some of their tracks seem to have been written from the outset as standalone tracks. comfortably numb is actually quite jarring when it comes in on the album. Money comes in at the start of side B, and you can gracefully fade out the end (though i much prefer the next track anyway).

      but yes, mp3 players need gapless support and perhaps even cuesheet support. generally i just listen to full albums anyway. random play is a novelty that wore off long ago for me, and they've yet to find an algo that can pick out songs as well as a good DJ.

    23. Re:Netcraft confirms it by kimvette · · Score: 1

      Sure, in the '80s, when other worse music was endlessly getting air time. ;)

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    24. Re:Netcraft confirms it by mug+funky · · Score: 2

      depends what you listen to. some bands actually have more than an albumsworth in them. others got signed before they had enough good material and were contractually obliged to release an album (a friend of mine was on this rollercoaster - the music industry really is a bit of a digestive tract for talented people to be processed into a uniform paste)

    25. Re:Netcraft confirms it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      They have thirteen tracks of shit on the CD to choose from

    26. Re:Netcraft confirms it by orangesquid · · Score: 1

      FTFA: "Because it was only 10 months ago that its three remaining members - or perhaps the remains of its three members - were in court fighting to preserve the "artistic integrity" of the the likes of Animals and Wish You Were Here by only flogging them as complete works rather than individual tracks."
      I think it's crazy that Wish You Were Here was trying to be held together as an album. I think every (or almost every) song from that gets radio airplay as a single. Some of their other albums it makes more sense to keep together, but then again, I guess that's why the article calls out 'Wish You Were Here' as an example.

      Wish You Were Here (the song) has a really good line that I've seen in someone's sig on here ("And did you exchange a walk-on part in a war for a lead role in a cage?"). Funny how more people remember the silly (imho) line about souls in a fishbowl than that line... heh.

      Oh, and the next poster to end a post with "Just sayin..." is going to get their head bashed in.
      Just sayin... ;)

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    27. Re:Netcraft confirms it by geekoid · · Score: 3, Insightful

      kids these day? you mean ALWAYS.

      With rare exception, pretty much every album is a couple of good songs, and a bunch of shit.

      Pink Floyd was one of the exceptions.

      The Wall came out in 1979 look at these other hits:
      http://www.musicoutfitters.com/topsongs/1979.htm

      My Sharona, the knack. That song s good but that album is hardly 'a work' in and of itself.

      Her i a list of the albums for 1979:
      http://cashboxmagazine.com/archives/70s_files/1979YEAP.html

      SO it is as it's always been: a few great pieces of music, and some great singles, and mostly crap that will be laughed at in 5 years.

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    28. Re:Netcraft confirms it by jeremyp · · Score: 2

      comfortably numb is actually quite jarring when it comes in on the album.

      That's because it is a beacon of Gilmour cast adrift in a wallowing sea of Waters angst.

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    29. Re:Netcraft confirms it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Of course, kids nowadays are used to albums full of shit with only one or two tracks even worth listening to...

      That has nothing to do with now vs. then and everything to do with bad records vs. good records.

      People tend to forget about all the terrible pop records that came out in the 60s and 70s. Records with a couple singles and a dozen filler tracks are not a recent invention.

    30. Re:Netcraft confirms it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      I'm curious as to how this is going to work with Meddle, Wish You Were Here or Animals, both of which are dominated by incredibly long tracks.

      Both three of them?

    31. Re:Netcraft confirms it by s.bots · · Score: 1
    32. Re:Netcraft confirms it by morari · · Score: 1

      Oh, I haven't forgotten. The problem is that there is no good music nowadays to counteract the pop singles. ;)

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    33. Re:Netcraft confirms it by icebraining · · Score: 2

      I think rjmx was talking about physical mp3 players. I know my 128MB player, which I got when they started appearing in shops 'round here (I hated the width of the discman, but wanted something to replace my walkman) did play them in alphabetic order. I used to rename the tracks on the device by album & track order, with the first letter for the album and the second for the track. Ended up writing a script to do it (in PHP - I used Windows at the time and hadn't learned Python or Perl yet).

    34. Re:Netcraft confirms it by TheGratefulNet · · Score: 2

      and again, careful with those tracks, eugene!

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    35. Re:Netcraft confirms it by element-o.p. · · Score: 1

      Ditto. I downloaded "Echoes" and "One of these Days" off of Amazon a long time ago, so I was kind of curious what the fuss was about. Maybe Pink Floyd decided that "Meddle" wasn't a popular enough album to argue over, unlike say "Dark Side of the Moon" or "The Wall"?

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    36. Re:Netcraft confirms it by element-o.p. · · Score: 1

      I own "The Final Cut", but still don't listen to it.

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    37. Re:Netcraft confirms it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's true, what s.bots says. It's true.

    38. Re:Netcraft confirms it by dmunz · · Score: 1

      and again, careful with those tracks, eugene!

      This one is actually pretty good for the oldsters in the crowd! Of course, I'm only doing this the hear myself type. Replying to a MOD 2 comment is close to the heart of foolishness...

    39. Re:Netcraft confirms it by nolife · · Score: 1

      Way back in the day, I had a 45 of "Another Brick in the Wall II" with "One of my Turns" on the B side.

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    40. Re:Netcraft confirms it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      But...but...the good ol' days! All art was wonderful in the past!

    41. Re:Netcraft confirms it by kiwimate · · Score: 1

      That's not to say that they are like Metallica where everything since the black album sounds like the black album.

      That's pretty generous. If I'm feeling benevolent I'll give you that everything since Master of Puppets sounds the same. Otherwise I'll contend that they're like AC/DC - they've made the exact same album nn number of times. The main difference is AC/DC admit it; Metallica are a bunch of pretentious non-musicians who can play their instruments with a reasonable amount of technical dexterity but have no ability to infuse dynamic or variation into anything. (Hetfield was a parody of himself before anyone even knew who he was.)

    42. Re:Netcraft confirms it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Apple offer an "album only" option for iTunes purchases, ie; you can only obtain a particular track if the whole album is purchased at once.

      I expect the Floyd will be all over that.

    43. Re:Netcraft confirms it by TapeCutter · · Score: 1

      "Wish You Were Here (the song) has a really good line that I've seen in someone's sig ("And did you exchange a walk-on part in a war for a lead role in a cage?"). Funny how more people remember the silly (imho) line about souls in a fishbowl than that line... heh."

      The fishbowl line will make sense to anyone who has been married for any length of time. The war line can be applied to all sorts of situations but personally I think the original intent was that the "war" is the war of the sexes and the "cage" is marriage.

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    44. Re:Netcraft confirms it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Too true man, too true! I remember listening to Dark Side, WYWH, Animals & the Wall just amazed at how smoothly it all fit together lyrically and musically. The albums are a story not just a concept or theme and done like no other before or since. The kiddies can have the singles I'll listen to the whole thing. Some on the way into work and some on the way home.

    45. Re:Netcraft confirms it by TapeCutter · · Score: 1

      "My Sharona, the knack. That song s good but that album is hardly 'a work' in and of itself."

      I bought that one, most dissapointing album ever!

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    46. Re:Netcraft confirms it by PsychoSlashDot · · Score: 1

      Insightful +1

      Waters wrote great lyrics and penned great hits but Gilmour made beauty. The two post-Waters albums are works of art in a completely different way than the previous ones. I would kill to be able to compose and play the guitar like Gilmour but I can't say the same about being able to write lyrics like Roger. I love both stages of Floyd's catalog but musically... without Gilmour there isn't a Pink Floyd.

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    47. Re:Netcraft confirms it by angus77 · · Score: 1

      Pink Floyd's first releases were singles ("See Emily Play", "Arnold Layne"). There was also a single of "Whole Lotta Love" that's incredibly rare, and "Stairway to Heaven" had a 45 that was sent out to radio stations, not available to the public.

      The point is, they were bands who sold incredible numbers of records without being single-driven.

    48. Re:Netcraft confirms it by afidel · · Score: 1

      Oh, never bothered to get one until the iPod 5GB came out =)
      Of course I'd never get one now since my phone plays them just as well and you need itunes to load songs (what a piece of crap).

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    49. Re:Netcraft confirms it by Thing+1 · · Score: 1

      Listen to The Final Cut? Not Now, John!

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    50. Re:Netcraft confirms it by KingAlanI · · Score: 1

      As mentioned in another comment, Led Zeppelin's catalogue is available individually, except Carouselambra, In My Time Of Dying and Achilles Last Stand, their three longer than 10 minutes studio tracks.

      I think this type of thing is a good way to split the difference.

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    51. Re:Netcraft confirms it by KingAlanI · · Score: 1

      Normally, people at least concede that there's good indie stuff, even if they don't like the mainstream offerings.
      (I know of a lot of good mainstream stuff and bad indie stuff as well, but let's not go further into that. :P) :)

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    52. Re:Netcraft confirms it by rJah · · Score: 0

      without Gilmour there isn't a Pink Floyd.

      I totally agree, but I also think that without Waters there is also no Pink Floyd. Sure he got stale and depressive by The Wall (the Long moan), but the stuff before that is awesome. And regarding The Final Cut: It's a great Waters album, just not a great Pink Floyd album. As for the post-Waters era, A momentary lapse of reason is good, but I don't think its a typical Floyd album, this one you could probably split into single tracks, except for the new machines. Division Bell is a great piece of Pink Floyd music, and a great album listened to as a whole and if you chop it up it doesn't do it justice.

    53. Re:Netcraft confirms it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      to paraphrase a german comedian: if you have no clue what you're talking about, shutting up is an option.
      if i wanted to make a list of albums which are all killer - no filler, i wouldn't even know where to start. just some examples:
      apart from the obvious - about *every* single (serious) classical music album,
      about every frank zappa / mothers of invention album before 1975,
      every janis joplin album,
      almost every real jazz album until 1970...
      it's pointless to go on with doing a list. see my point?
      using a one hit wonder band title like sharona doesn't really make a good point here.

      sorry if i'm sounding harsh, but imho you just showed that you don't know nothing about music.

      cunningamphibian

    54. Re:Netcraft confirms it by fonske · · Score: 1

      Bob Ezrin is to be tributed for making "The Wall" a concept album.
      Originally "The Wall" was the alienation Waters felt toward the audience during shows.
      My sister and I always felt like it being a concept album and all was a far stretch.
      We did dig the notion of a wall instilled by fears of the parents during education.
      Both of us being rather empathic did not realize people could feel alienated toward other people.

    55. Re:Netcraft confirms it by Tink2000 · · Score: 1

      Well, point it at the sky and let it fly. /that's so obscured, there should be clouds around it

    56. Re:Netcraft confirms it by mcgrew · · Score: 1

      The other day I heard Free Four on the radio as well.

      Especially fitting for Geezer Floyd!

      I always liked that tune (esp. the guitar riff in the middle)

    57. Re:Netcraft confirms it by mcgrew · · Score: 1

      kids these day? you mean ALWAYS.

      Indeed. I think I was probably 15 when I finally stopped buying any album that wasn't a Greatest Hits, Best Of, Live, or a band I'd already bough a good album from. And I was 15 in 1967.

      Although The Who's "Tommy" surprised me. I'd had one of their previous albums (don't remember which one), and I was (like all teenagers, had a short attention span) looking for "good songs" and would put the needle down at the first part of every song, and was disappointed.

      Then I was reading some Asimov and KSHE played the "Tommy" album uncut, and uninterrupted (except for turning the albums over). I was hooked on "concept albums" after that.

    58. Re:Netcraft confirms it by Dremth · · Score: 1

      I really hope that the labels haven't lost sight of the potential this kind of music has.

      I really hope they haven't either. I play music and Pink Floyd is a HUGE influence to me. You just don't see albums like what they produced anymore. I was beginning to think that I was the only one that still saw potential in Pink Floyd's type of music/albums. Now, I'm not saying that I can be the next Pink Floyd; but, after I finish my demo album, and if a record label gives me a chance, I believe I can at least push modern music in the right direction towards GOOD music again.

    59. Re:Netcraft confirms it by kimvette · · Score: 1

      Can I borrow it? And a couple blank tapes? /PhillipJFry

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    60. Re:Netcraft confirms it by Dremth · · Score: 1

      Haha. Well, my demo isn't going to be anything too special. Sure, the songs mean stuff to me, but it's not the overall sound I'm looking for in the long run. It's just something to get some attention and maybe get my name out there so that I may progress further. And referring to the "blank tapes," if I get my way, my band's stance on piracy will be lax. We'd probably even end up releasing a few free albums. In fact, I know how Waters feels about this whole just buying a single song thing. In my opinion, I'd rather someone pirate my whole album instead of buying just one song. They'd get a better experience that way, and that's what artists should want. Make music to make others happy, not to make money :P

    61. Re:Netcraft confirms it by kimvette · · Score: 1

      The way I see it, you use your talents to eek out a living. If your talent is to be a composer and musician, then by all means you should be paid for your work without worrying about getting ripped off.

      Unfortunately the sad reality is that RIAA member labels are bigger crooks than all but the largest for-profit "pirates."

      If you do release anything progressive/psychadelic through iTunes drop me an email - I would like to check it out.

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  4. No doubt money greased this wheel. by Joe+Snipe · · Score: 0

    greedy cowards.

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    1. Re:No doubt money greased this wheel. by magarity · · Score: 2

      They're not greedy - they just need to pay for their kids' college educations.

    2. Re:No doubt money greased this wheel. by SydShamino · · Score: 1

      If you consider holding off and resisting for years to be greedy cowards, aren't all other musicians alive today even greedier and more cowardly? In other words, doesn't that make Pink Floyd members the least greedy and least cowardly, at least for musicians?

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    3. Re:No doubt money greased this wheel. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Que sera, sera
      Is that your new Ferrari car?
      Nice... but I think I'll wait for the F-50.

    4. Re:No doubt money greased this wheel. by Joe+Snipe · · Score: 2

      What is this, a contest to see who's worse? They didn't have to change their stance; the court case was over. IMO they lost integrity by doing so.

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    5. Re:No doubt money greased this wheel. by jimbolauski · · Score: 1

      I wonder how many songs they would have to sell to get enough royalties to pay for Nick Mason's Enzo.

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    6. Re:No doubt money greased this wheel. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      From ford, the affordable 1 person pickup truck?

    7. Re:No doubt money greased this wheel. by SydShamino · · Score: 1

      Wouldn't getting together for the rock aid concern a few years back have already cost them their integrity, since they said they'd never do that? Or releasing several albums after Roger Waters left the band and vehemently disagreed that the remaining member(s) could/should continue under the old name? Or did they lose their integrity when they dumped Syd and let Roger take over?

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    8. Re:No doubt money greased this wheel. by MightyMartian · · Score: 1

      Not a Floyd album, but certainly Roger's best (and, other than that opera) probably the last solo album he'll ever make. One would wonder how you cut up something like Amused To Death, which really has very little in the way of useful song breaks.

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    9. Re:No doubt money greased this wheel. by Stargoat · · Score: 2

      When they dumped Syd. Yeah, that's when it happened.

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    10. Re:No doubt money greased this wheel. by phayes · · Score: 1

      I fail to see how the it is a problem for the members of PF to be paid more per song than the miserable amount the record labels were prepared to give them. By suing & winning in court, they forced the record label to have to pay more for the privilege of selling by the song. It's scandalous that record labels are paying artists much less for digital downloads than they are for the same songs delivered on a physical medium. More power to them IMO.

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    11. Re:No doubt money greased this wheel. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1
      syd was a nutcase. Let's say you and Michael Crawford start up a company to write an ogg-player. Four years later, he goes nuts because you use spaces instead of tabs and calls the police to have you committed. Turns out you're crazy, you just don't know it. And nobody else can see it either, only HE can see it. Did I mention that he hasn't written a line of code in 3 years? Too busy writing 30 page rants about telescope mirrors and telling people that he's not crazy.

      Anyhow, he's committed and you say good riddance and continue on without him.

    12. Re:No doubt money greased this wheel. by magarity · · Score: 1

      I don't begrudge popular artists their royalties but what's sad is how much they get compared to what fans pay.

    13. Re:No doubt money greased this wheel. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No shit. First time I heard it, I thought he was talking about Bush the younger.

      You know you've made something timeless when its sentiments span entire wars.

    14. Re:No doubt money greased this wheel. by jo_ham · · Score: 1

      They were offered $100 million *each* to go back to touring, but turned it down, but said they would still do charity gigs.

      They really don't need money - their monthly earnings from current album sales alone keeps them more than comfortable.

    15. Re:No doubt money greased this wheel. by Thing+1 · · Score: 1

      "In Tienanmen Square, I lost my baby there" -- that song haunts me.

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    16. Re:No doubt money greased this wheel. by KingAlanI · · Score: 1

      Saw this in some articles pointing out that the Beatles hadn't been the only big iTunes holdout.
      Def Leppard was one of the ones admitting it was about bad contract terms or other business-side issues.

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  5. Don't Necessarily Blame Them by RazzleFrog · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Most music nowadays is bite size but most of Floyd's stuff you really had to listen to the entire Album to appreciate it. But it's a new world, I suppose, and if people want to listen to just one song from the Wall randomly mixed in with Britney Spears and Lady Gaga then power to the people.

    1. Re:Don't Necessarily Blame Them by kimvette · · Score: 2

      and if people want to listen to just one song from the Wall randomly mixed in with Britney Spears and Lady Gaga

      Noooooooooo!

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    2. Re:Don't Necessarily Blame Them by SydShamino · · Score: 2

      Not one song, no, but there are song segments that work really well. "Us and Them" - "Any Colour You Like" - "Brain Damage" - "Eclipse" works wonderfully without prepending them with the first six songs of the album. The same can be said for "The Show Must Go On" - "In the Flesh" - "Run Like Hell" from the Wall. No in neither case does it tell the whole story conveyed by the original album, but they do work as musical pieces telling part of the story. In that sense it's not much different from a symphony; they are designed to be played from start to finish, but orchestras often play just the overture or just a subset of movements in lieu of the entire piece.

      All that said, it bugs me to no end that I still can't group songs together in iTunes to only play as a unit during random play. I've tried Groups without success, and the only other option I've found would be to concatenate the songs together into one. Why isn't there a flag that lets me group songs, such that 1) only the first song of the group can be selected at random, and 2) if the first song is selected, the next X songs play in order following, then 3) the playlist continues randomly? Maybe there could be a way for me to add a playlist to a playlist, whereas the outer playlist is randomized but the inner one could be set to play in fixed order?

      Such an option wouldn't just apply to Pink Floyd. There are plenty of other song pairs or song sets from other artists that should be played only in sequence like that - such as symphonies as mentioned above. Of course I can make a playlist with just those songs, or play directly from the artist/album, but the same could be said in lieu of all random playback support.

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    3. Re:Don't Necessarily Blame Them by RazzleFrog · · Score: 1

      I don't know of any MP3 player that lets you string them together without making one big mp3. Same goes for some of the Beatle's later stuff (back side of Abbey Road comes to mind).

    4. Re:Don't Necessarily Blame Them by IGnatius+T+Foobar · · Score: 1

      Most music nowadays is bite size but most of Floyd's stuff you really had to listen to the entire Album to appreciate it. But it's a new world, I suppose, and if people want to listen to just one song from the Wall randomly mixed in with Britney Spears and Lady Gaga then power to the people.

      Very true. A lot of Pink Floyd's music, particularly the older stuff, is a completely jarring experience when you try to treat it as singles. Pandora does this, and it's downright disorienting. A couple of weeks ago my Pandora station played "The Happiest Days Of Our Lives." By itself. To hear that track and not have it run straight into "Another Brick In The Wall part II" would incite riots if a DJ tried it.

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    5. Re:Don't Necessarily Blame Them by RazzleFrog · · Score: 1

      I get that with some other groups. For some reason I never replaced my Floyd records with CDs so I don't have them on mp3. They faded a bit from my interest after college much like Zeppelin. Funny how that happens.

    6. Re:Don't Necessarily Blame Them by MonsterTrimble · · Score: 1

      Actually, I AM one of those people. It's cool to go from Circus to Wish You Were Here to Telephone.

      And yes, I'm pretty cracked.

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    7. Re:Don't Necessarily Blame Them by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      While the Floyd definitely made albums as artistic concept, that doesn't remove the economic aspect of the deal. At that time most major artists fought for publishing contracts that would not split albums into singles. Selling a lot of pop singles off albums was more profitable for the record companies than full disks, while bands with a fan base would individually do better if sales were by album only. Most artists signed a compromise that allowed the publisher to sell singles after albums sales fell to a certain point. Floyd's probably done well enough to keep the original deal going into the digital age, while EMI has become increasingly eager to switch to singles. Money is what was being argued here. "Artistic Integrity" was just a lever.

      Man... the first bootleg I ever saw was Floyd. It was part of being a true fan of that music that you sought out those rarities.
      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pink_Floyd_bootleg_recordings

    8. Re:Don't Necessarily Blame Them by Quiet_Desperation · · Score: 1

      I used to think that, but I have a program I wrote that creates random MP3 CDs for when I'm in the car, and I found I have no problem listening to single tracks from concept albums that show up in the mixes. What's funny is some albums have little interlude tracks between songs, and those occasionally show up for 20 second. ;-) Carved In Stone by Shadow Gallery has a bunch of them. I considered adding a function to the program to filter out short tracks, but I can't be arsed to do it.

    9. Re:Don't Necessarily Blame Them by 91degrees · · Score: 1

      A couple of the tracks from the Wall work as singles (and presumably were released as singles).

      I can't imagine someone wanting to download only Shine On You Crazy Diamond part 4, but I guess we might as well let them if they really want to. Perhaps nobody will.

    10. Re:Don't Necessarily Blame Them by toleraen · · Score: 1

      As in something with playlists that supports gapless playback? That's pretty common these days.

    11. Re:Don't Necessarily Blame Them by Simpsoid · · Score: 1

      Winamp.

      You just hit 'Q' on the tracks to queue them next. Can have a randomised playlist and the songs will go in order after the queued song then back to random. Just means a bit more work to find the correct songs and which order to queue them in.

    12. Re:Don't Necessarily Blame Them by snspdaarf · · Score: 1

      I can plug my Zen into a PC and build playlists. Most of the time, they flow seamlessly from song to song. I had to do this after it, for some unknown reason, mixed Rocky Horror with Animaniacs. The playlist software still sees them in separate folders, but the Zen sees them in one. With the playlists, The Wall and Tommy play as smooth on the Zen as any other media.

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    13. Re:Don't Necessarily Blame Them by mug+funky · · Score: 1

      real men digitize their LPs and bypass CD all together.

      nothing like clicks and pops in places you could never bring a turntable.

      bonus points for constructing your own RIAA preamp in linear-phase and going direct-input, while using MS processing to prevent rumble while keeping the musical parts of the bass...

      (i've gotta do something while i'm doing nothing...)

    14. Re:Don't Necessarily Blame Them by wondafucka · · Score: 1

      Most music nowadays is bite size but most of Floyd's stuff you really had to listen to the entire Album to appreciate it. But it's a new world, I suppose, and if people want to listen to just one song from the Wall randomly mixed in with Britney Spears and Lady Gaga then power to the people.

      Which is funny, because I just got done listening to a mashup of Katy Perry, Britney Spears, Lady Gaga, and Pink Floyd.

    15. Re:Don't Necessarily Blame Them by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Most music nowadays is bite size but most of Floyd's stuff you really had to listen to the entire Album to appreciate it. But it's a new world, I suppose, and if people want to listen to just one song from the Wall randomly mixed in with Britney Spears and Lady Gaga then power to the people.

      Most music nowadays? Modern music has always been bite-sized. If we're talking about rock n' roll then all the greatest songs are bite-sized. Pink Floyd is the exception, not the rule. You're a fucking moron.

    16. Re:Don't Necessarily Blame Them by Em+Adespoton · · Score: 2

      One solution: create a Quicktime Reference Movie that refers to all the songs, in order, then add the .mov file to your playlist. It will play the original files in order :) Uncheck the original songs and select "ignore unchecked songs" or whatever that setting is to prevent the originals playing randomly as well.

    17. Re:Don't Necessarily Blame Them by Zebra1024 · · Score: 1

      I remember listening to the wall over and over in high school on a cassette tape. I was excited when CDs came out and I bought the wall because I could finally tell when each song actually ended.

    18. Re:Don't Necessarily Blame Them by adolf · · Score: 1

      That sure is a great example of Thinking Different. I'm appalled at the complexity of your solution.

      At the same time, it isn't too far-fetched and might actually be useful. Thanks.

    19. Re:Don't Necessarily Blame Them by nolife · · Score: 1

      Strange. I figured everyone who likes PF already ripped their CD's to flac or compressed to listen on the go years ago. For me personally, even with VBR with high avg bit rates using various encoders and options, I notice annoying artifacts and it is just not appealing when loud. A lot of PF source material has flaws and glitches (including the various remasters, SDAC, golds, that I've heard etc) and even with that, I really can't enjoy PF in compressed format. 95% of the other music I've heard uncompressed and compressed doesn't bother me.

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    20. Re:Don't Necessarily Blame Them by tompaulco · · Score: 1

      When I listen to PF, it is on my original CDs. I even have some LPs, but I haven't had my record player hooked up in a long time.

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    21. Re:Don't Necessarily Blame Them by jo_ham · · Score: 1

      Have you tried the "song is part of a compilation" flag? Or select all the tracks except track 1 and select "skip when shuffling", then also enabling "part of a gapless album"?

      Perhaps a little convoluted and I am not sure how this would behave in shuffle if track 1 was picked.

    22. Re:Don't Necessarily Blame Them by Macgrrl · · Score: 1

      I don't recognise the email address, but it sounds like my husband speaking.

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    23. Re:Don't Necessarily Blame Them by KingAlanI · · Score: 1

      I also have a very diverse music collection (which happens to include The Fame Monster, but not Wish You Were Here or Circus) - the apparently-disjointed combinations sometimes handed out by the shuffler are part of the fun.

      Guns Of Brixton followed by Eh, Eh (Nothing Else I Can Say) is one of my favorite examples to mention of this happening.

      Then again, a shuffler combination of related songs, also likely, doesn't stand out.

      Sometimes a weird combination might even make for a good mashup, sometimes not.

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    24. Re:Don't Necessarily Blame Them by Asic+Eng · · Score: 1

      Did you just propose to MonsterTrimble? Seems like this particular musical taste is very important to you.

    25. Re:Don't Necessarily Blame Them by MonsterTrimble · · Score: 1

      Agreed. Currently on my MP3 player is Lady Gaga, Britney Spears, Airbourne, Gretchen Wilson, Miranda Lambert, Sugarland & the Megamind soundtrack. I haven't thrown on AC/DC or The Tragically Hip as yet, but that is coming. Same with Ke$ha & the Black Eyed Peas' newest album.

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    26. Re:Don't Necessarily Blame Them by mcgrew · · Score: 1

      All that said, it bugs me to no end that I still can't group songs together in iTunes to only play as a unit during random play.

      Same problem here with XMMS and Winamp. My solution was rip the songs from CD, then stuch the wanted songs together as one track, then convert to MP3.

    27. Re:Don't Necessarily Blame Them by MonsterTrimble · · Score: 1

      Sorry, I'm already married. And I'm not mormon.

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    28. Re:Don't Necessarily Blame Them by KingAlanI · · Score: 1

      some of the laughs come form the thought of confusion stemming from marketers or marketing systems trying to analyze data from people like us.
      Sometimes, laughing at the juxtaposition can be extended to the juxtaposition of the resultant recommendations.

      Like the time I put The Fame Monster and Straight Outta Compton on the same Amazon order; I saw recommendations for The Fame and Eazy-Duz-It.

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    29. Re:Don't Necessarily Blame Them by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Aren't Lady Gaga and Spears songs only 25 seconds longs, but repeated endlessly?

    30. Re:Don't Necessarily Blame Them by Em+Adespoton · · Score: 1

      There's actually a pre-written applescript for iTunes floating around somewhere that does this. All you do is select the tracks in order, run the script, and it does the rest.

  6. Re:i so don't care by spidercoz · · Score: 1

    it's alright, the rest of us so don't care about loser ac trolls with no taste

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  7. Welcome to the Machine by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    And other appropriate song titles.

    1. Re:welcome to the machine by larry+bagina · · Score: 1

      pink has a beard and smells like fish. If all you see is brown (smells like shit), pink is on the other side.

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    2. Re:welcome to the machine by Thing+1 · · Score: 1

      dark side of the moon, indeed

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  8. WRONG! Guess again. by spun · · Score: 4, Funny

    How can ye have artistic integrity if ye won't allow downloads?
    How can ye have downloads if ye don't have artistic integrity?

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    1. Re:WRONG! Guess again. by spidercoz · · Score: 0

      YOU! Just...PIRATE IT!

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    2. Re:WRONG! Guess again. by mcgrew · · Score: 1

      We don't need no network downloads
      We don't need no taught control
      No dark sarcasm here at slashdot
      Teacher, leave Pink Floyd alone!

      All in all, they'd rather fill their bank from The Wall.

    3. Re:WRONG! Guess again. by brownerthanu · · Score: 1

      Lol. Okay. I don't know if you've seen Roger Waters recently, but he's come a long way from the bitter man he was in his youth. People change and mellow with age, thankfully.

    4. Re:WRONG! Guess again. by morgan_greywolf · · Score: 1

      You! Yes, you, postin' on Slashdot! Take a pill, laddy!

    5. Re:WRONG! Guess again. by spun · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Okay sure, normal people change and mellow with age, but I thought rockers all gradually turned into leathery fruitbats, a la Keith Richards and Ozzie Osbourne. More "embalmed" than "mellowed."

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    6. Re:WRONG! Guess again. by Sponge+Bath · · Score: 1

      Waters is golf playing business man now. In a previous tour through Dallas, he requested a golfing partner from the company running the venue for some R&R before the tour. In this latest tour, again in Dallas, he talked on stage about how he was no longer the withdrawn distant young man he used to be.

      Many of the fans on the other hand have not aged so well.

    7. Re:WRONG! Guess again. by toxonix · · Score: 1

      Golfing huh? Fuck those baby boomers right to Hell. They sucked anyway.

    8. Re:WRONG! Guess again. by CapOblivious2010 · · Score: 1

      In this latest tour, again in Dallas, he talked on stage about how he was no longer the withdrawn distant young man he used to be.

      Well of course not - now he's a withdrawn distant old man!

    9. Re:WRONG! Guess again. by NoDos · · Score: 1

      They might as well give in, since just about every other artist has!!

  9. It is always strange for me... by diatonic · · Score: 5, Insightful

    It's always strange for me to listen to Pink Floyd songs out of context from the rest of the album. It probably stems from listening to those albums start to finish in my youth, and many of the songs blending in to one an other. For example, at the end of Dark Side of the Moon, "Brain Damage" flows directly in to "Eclipse," and separating those two tracks should be illegal.

    1. Re:It is always strange for me... by RotateLeftByte · · Score: 1

      Brain Damage flowing into Eclipse?
      Simply because they played the whole of DSOTM as one piece.
      As a complete piece it works. How many copies have they sold since 1973?

      DSOTM was originally called Eclipse when it was first played in 1972, Jan 20th Brighton Dome.
      Then another band released an album called Eclipse (as I rrad at the time in Melody Maker) so they changed the name

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    2. Re:It is always strange for me... by phoenixwade · · Score: 1

      DSOTM was originally called Eclipse when it was first played in 1972, Jan 20th Brighton Dome. Then another band released an album called Eclipse (as I rrad at the time in Melody Maker) so they changed the name

      No, the Album name was originally "The Dark Side of the moon", it was temporarily changed to "Eclipse" when it turned out that there was another "Dark Side of the moon" that one failed, so they changed the name back.

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    3. Re:It is always strange for me... by cowboy76Spain · · Score: 2

      Brain Damage flowing into Eclipse?

      After spending two months trying to keep up to date with the latest developments in Java Enterprise, I can say you that brain damage comes from eclipse, not the other way around (well, at least in my case, do not know about those red hat/oracle guys).

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    4. Re:It is always strange for me... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They always did theme albums where it was more of an underlying story. King Crimson did similar albums. Things like The Court Of The Crimson King tended to flow together. It's one thing when an album is a bunch of singles but I think Pink Floyd was right to fight it. It wasn't greed it was over artistic merits so it was reasonable for them to want to keep the albums intact.

    5. Re:It is always strange for me... by ColdWetDog · · Score: 2

      It's always strange for me to listen to Pink Floyd songs out of context from the rest of the album. It probably stems from listening to those albums start to finish in my youth, and many of the songs blending in to one an other. For example, at the end of Dark Side of the Moon, "Brain Damage" flows directly in to "Eclipse," and separating those two tracks should be illegal.

      You're just not as stoned as you were back then. State dependent learning, and all that.

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    6. Re:It is always strange for me... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Since I stopped smoking weed I am able to listen to individual tracks and appreciate them.

    7. Re:It is always strange for me... by commodore73 · · Score: 1

      It's bad enough how CDs ripped to MP3 cause that empty audio jerk between tracks. And when one track completes (such as when heard on the radio), I always expect the next to come, and get disappointed when it doesn't. Who knows what 16-bit audio has already removed from the feel of this music. At least it's not 8-bit (see http://www.retrothing.com/2010/03/8bit-pink-floyd-dark-side-of-the-moon-.html).

    8. Re:It is always strange for me... by Naked+Jaybird · · Score: 1

      I hate it when on the radio they play "Another Brick in the Wall Part II," without including the previous track "The Happiest Days of Our Lives." They fit together perfectly.

    9. Re:It is always strange for me... by Locke2005 · · Score: 1

      The best way to listen to Dark Side of the Moon is through good headphones after consuming appropriate quantities of recreational drugs and while watching the video of The Wizard of Oz!

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    10. Re:It is always strange for me... by angus77 · · Score: 1

      King Crimson's albums weren't concept albums. The individual songs were written individually and stand on their own. Unless you're talking about how some of the individual tracks were broken into sections, like Epitaph (including "March for No Reason" and "Tomorrow and Tomorrow"), which is not even remotely like what Pink Floyd was doing (having every song segue into the next, having entire albums conceived as one concept).

    11. Re:It is always strange for me... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Or maybe this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cue-dependent_forgetting

    12. Re:It is always strange for me... by blind+biker · · Score: 1

      It's always strange for me to listen to Pink Floyd songs out of context from the rest of the album. It probably stems from listening to those albums start to finish in my youth, and many of the songs blending in to one an other. For example, at the end of Dark Side of the Moon, "Brain Damage" flows directly in to "Eclipse," and separating those two tracks should be illegal.

      I agree. Dark Side of the Moon, Wish you Were Here and The Wall are conceived as a single musical work. In fact, for me even Meddle has a consistency and flow. OTOH, Atom Heart Mother and the other (previous) Pink Floyd albums are/were compilations. Meddle is somewhat in-between the overarching thematic and musical unity of the Dark Side of the Moon-like albums, and the previous compilations, but to me, it has plenty of self-consistency and flow, to want to always listen to it as one.

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    13. Re:It is always strange for me... by hackstraw · · Score: 1

      It's always strange for me to listen to Pink Floyd songs out of context from the rest of the album. It probably stems from listening to those albums start to finish in my youth, and many of the songs blending in to one an other. For example, at the end of Dark Side of the Moon, "Brain Damage" flows directly in to "Eclipse," and separating those two tracks should be illegal.

      To be pedantic, Floyd's "album art" stuff was only from 1973-1979 with DSOTM through The Wall. The earlier works were disjoint, very psychedelic songs up to 20 minutes in length. After the Wall the albums were more failed/loose attempts at complete album works. I have all of their albums, bootlegs, and I've seen them in concert. Oh, and when I saw them, they didn't play 2 songs back to back from a single album. I was actually disappointed in the concert. I much prefer their older material, but they did open with Astronome Domine and they did sling out a One of these Days...

    14. Re:It is always strange for me... by mug+funky · · Score: 1

      i dare you to do a blind test between a 16-bit dithered down from 24 bit, and the original 24 bit.

      on your own stereo.

      also, many audio player programs will account for the 576 sample delay in mp3's filterbank, and play back seamlessly. you could also use flac+cue (esp if you think you can hear a difference between 16bit and 24bit)

    15. Re:It is always strange for me... by mug+funky · · Score: 1

      headphones are good, but big, tall, fat brown speakers are better. gotta re-create the 70s.

    16. Re:It is always strange for me... by commodore73 · · Score: 0

      I didn't say that *I* could tell the difference, even with good headphones (and drugs). But I bet the members of Pink Floyd think they could. ;)

    17. Re:It is always strange for me... by Jarik_Tentsu · · Score: 1

      I've noticed when Another Brick in the Wall Part 2 does play on the radio, they often do mix in "Happiest Days of Our Lives" with it in front. I guess it's a kinda cool standalone song...but yeah, nothing compares to listening to it in the context of the album. Hearing the theme pop back up again in Another Brick in the Wall Part 3 at the climax of CD 1. =)

    18. Re:It is always strange for me... by mug+funky · · Score: 1

      "it sounds like microchips!" :)

    19. Re:It is always strange for me... by tompaulco · · Score: 1

      Yeah, a lot of the DJs can't stand to listen to the single track either. I would say that over 95% of the time I hear Happiest Days of our Lives prior to Another Brick in the Wall Part 2. Also, they often will play two or three cuts from DSotM consecutively, because it just seems right. Also, they usually play Foreplay before Long Time (Boston), Feeling That Way/Anytime (Journey), Waitin' for the Bus/Jesus Just Left Chicago (ZZ Top), Hard To Say I'm Sorry/Get Away (Chicago), Eruption/You Really Got Me (Van Halen) and I could probably think of a few more given time (and a radio).
      Let's not forget the incredible 4 part Anthem of And You And I by Yes. There was a lot of really great album rock back in the day. I couldn't really see buying any of it as single tracks.

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    20. Re:It is always strange for me... by Kingofearth · · Score: 1

      This exact thing has been my biggest problem with Pandora. With all that information about what songs relate to each other, you would think they would know that going from "Brain Damage" to any song other than "Eclipse" is going to sound very off. On a related note, whenever a song from Dark Side of the Moon starts playing on Pandora, a lot of times I'll just stop it and play the whole album off my phone to hear it in all it's glory.

    21. Re:It is always strange for me... by vgerdj · · Score: 1

      mod this to 6

  10. Ohh I was right! by Pontiac · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Back when the first case came up I suspected it was a move to get EMI to sign a new contract for digital sales..
    In the last case EMI was claiming the old contract only covered album sales and was paying Pink Floyd a lower rate for digital sales.
    Looks like the Old Pink pulled it off..

    Link to my comment on the first EMI case

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    1. Re:Ohh I was right! by PatPending · · Score: 1

      P.S. Thank you for your sig--I'm gonna use that quote when I'm dealing with some of my clients.

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    2. Re:Ohh I was right! by kimvette · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Part of it is in the case of Pink Floyd, the artists actually own their work and the Animals at EMI only had distribution rights - so by distributing it in an unauthorised format EMI could have been screwed to The Wall for copyright infringement, and would have had to Run Like Hell. Instead Pink Floyd said Hey You - Not Now John! When you're One of the Few to retain ownership of your work, you get to say "Get Your Filthy Hands off My Desert, or all that will be on your shelves is Empty Spaces," and the EMI execs, blinking their Paranoid Eyes, had to once again Stop, or risk going to The Trial and end up stuck Outside the Wall.

      So, rather than waste a lot of Time Waiting for the Worms to eat their mottled remains, EMI said The Show Must Go On, let's Bring the Boys Back Home to EMI and talk to them In the Flesh and say "Have a Cigar" and relax, and "Wut's uh, the deal?". When Dave, Nick, and Roger arrived, Roger was Fearless and shouted "You Animals must have Brain Damage" to think that we are Sheep who will allow you Dogs to cheapen our work. Then he grabbed the exec and put him in a headlock and started rapping his head, shouting "Is There Anybody Out there? McFly, is there Nobody Home? All I hear is Echoes. One of These Days, I'm Going to Cut You Into Little Pieces!"

      Then Roger calmed down and sat down, exhausted. The EMI exect said "Don't Leave me Now; don't let your thinking be Obscured by Clouds. Stay, and we'll talk Money. Why, the Gold, it's in the. . . "

      Roger exclaimed "Welcome to the Machine."

      Dave interjected "Stop, Roger, don't go Burning Bridges again. The last time it tore the band apart for 22 years!"

      Nick, ever the rational one, the only member to be with the band through its entire career, said "Hey You, It's One of My Turns to speak right now, and Let There Be More Light on this subject. Remember, Childhood's End, and we're at Chapter 24 of our careers. If only you would overcome your Flaming temper, we could Set the Controls for the Heart of the Sun and watch our sales go into Interstellar Overdrive. Remember a Day before today when we were young and were the Masters of Rock? When we shone like the sun? Today's market is The Thin Ice, or to put it in other words, The Narrow Way, and if we don't let them sell online, you may as well plant us now six feet under in Granchester Meadows."

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    3. Re:Ohh I was right! by radoni · · Score: 1

      Nick, ever the rational one, the only member to be with the band through its entire career, said "Hey You, It's One of My Turns to speak right now, and Let There Be More Light on this subject. Remember, Childhood's End, and we're at Chapter 24 of our careers. If only you would overcome your Flaming temper, we could Set the Controls for the Heart of the Sun and watch our sales go into Interstellar Overdrive. Remember a Day before today when we were young and were the Masters of Rock? When we shone like the sun? Today's market is The Thin Ice, or to put it in other words, The Narrow Way, and if we don't let them sell online, you may as well plant us now six feet under in Granchester Meadows."

      [x] Apply memes

      A) ...as the prince of Bel-Air.

      B) I see what you did there.

      C) It's over 9000

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    4. Re:Ohh I was right! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Part of it is in the case of Pink Floyd, the artists actually own their work and the Animals at EMI only had distribution rights - so by distributing it in an unauthorised format EMI could have been screwed to The Wall for copyright infringement, and would have had to Run Like Hell. Instead Pink Floyd said Hey You - Not Now John! When you're One of the Few to retain ownership of your work, you get to say "Get Your Filthy Hands off My Desert, or all that will be on your shelves is Empty Spaces," and the EMI execs, blinking their Paranoid Eyes, had to once again Stop, or risk going to The Trial and end up stuck Outside the Wall.

      So, rather than waste a lot of Time Waiting for the Worms to eat their mottled remains, EMI said The Show Must Go On, let's Bring the Boys Back Home to EMI and talk to them In the Flesh and say "Have a Cigar" and relax, and "Wut's uh, the deal?". When Dave, Nick, and Roger arrived, Roger was Fearless and shouted "You Animals must have Brain Damage" to think that we are Sheep who will allow you Dogs to cheapen our work. Then he grabbed the exec and put him in a headlock and started rapping his head, shouting "Is There Anybody Out there? McFly, is there Nobody Home? All I hear is Echoes. One of These Days, I'm Going to Cut You Into Little Pieces!"

      Then Roger calmed down and sat down, exhausted. The EMI exect said "Don't Leave me Now; don't let your thinking be Obscured by Clouds. Stay, and we'll talk Money. Why, the Gold, it's in the. . . "

      Roger exclaimed "Welcome to the Machine."

      Dave interjected "Stop, Roger, don't go Burning Bridges again. The last time it tore the band apart for 22 years!"

      Nick, ever the rational one, the only member to be with the band through its entire career, said "Hey You, It's One of My Turns to speak right now, and Let There Be More Light on this subject. Remember, Childhood's End, and we're at Chapter 24 of our careers. If only you would overcome your Flaming temper, we could Set the Controls for the Heart of the Sun and watch our sales go into Interstellar Overdrive. Remember a Day before today when we were young and were the Masters of Rock? When we shone like the sun? Today's market is The Thin Ice, or to put it in other words, The Narrow Way, and if we don't let them sell online, you may as well plant us now six feet under in Granchester Meadows."

      I tip my hat to you sir

    5. Re:Ohh I was right! by KingAlanI · · Score: 1

      kudos to you for your song-title story.
      Metallica also comes to mind as a big-name band that owns their masters, simply licensing them to a major label for distribution.

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    6. Re:Ohh I was right! by linguizic · · Score: 3, Funny

      The only way that would have been cooler is if you had been able to work in Several Species of Small Furry Animals Gathered Together in a Cave and Grooving with a Pict.

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    7. Re:Ohh I was right! by u8i9o0 · · Score: 1

      The only way that would have been cooler is if you had been able to work in Several Species of Small Furry Animals Gathered Together in a Cave and Grooving with a Pict.

      Yeah, "If".

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    8. Re:Ohh I was right! by Chowderbags · · Score: 3, Funny

      I hear that if you watch The Wizard of Oz while reading this post, the universe pulls itself inside out.

  11. If you want us to buy complete albums..... by Darth_brooks · · Score: 2, Insightful

    ...make great complete albums.

    (to be fair, pink floyd usually does. or at least did before I was born.)

    Listening to an artist and a record company bicker over money by using "artistic integrity" is like listening to two hipsters argue by calling each other "hipster."

    If your albums are such unsulliable masterpieces that should never be altered by the mere mortals that exist outside of a studio, then why release singles in the first place (granted, Pink Floyd doesn't often cut singles, but they have)? Why let other bands cover individual songs from your albums? Why slap together a greatest hits or box set package?

    I really wish some artists would climb down off their high horses. At some point down the line, you made a conscious decision that playing in front of 30 people in a shithole bar in your hometown wasn't for you. Sadly, some of the bleacher seat dwellers from those bar days decided that choice makes you worthy of the moniker "sellout." You know what? Screw those selfish people. They're still sitting at the end of that bar, and they're not you. But with the ability to reach a mass audience comes a certain sacrifice. Well, not so much sacrifice as trade. You trade the ability to control every sniggling little detail of how the audience should perceive (and, to some extent, enjoy) your work in exchange for a heck of a lot more people getting to enjoy your work. Oh, and you get paid a bit better. Your audience now includes folks that just want the one little song they know & care about, and it'd be nice if you the artist would accept that not everyone thinks every last aural dripping of yours is solid gold.

    Pink Floyd. Radiohead. Kid Rock. There's plenty of artists that just need to suck it up and accept that the world has changed. Consumers have picked up the tiniest inkling of purchasing power over the music industry, and we're going to use it. Call it packback for a lifetime of 20 bucks for an album with three worthy tracks.

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    1. Re:If you want us to buy complete albums..... by kenrblan · · Score: 2

      Although I agree with much of your sentiment, I don't think I would accuse Radiohead of needing to accept that the world has changed. Their self-released album In Rainbows for the price of whatever the heck the downloader/music fan wanted to pay was a very up-to-date concept.

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    2. Re:If you want us to buy complete albums..... by the+plant+doctor · · Score: 1

      Good points, the only thing I'd say is that their "Greatest Hits" - 'Echoes', follows the same type of format as their studio albums and live albums. The songs are carefully selected and ordered and often run together blending the end and introduction of the next.

      That said, few artists now actually put much effort into making an actual album, and they'll readily admit it. They put effort into making the single for a 99cent download. That's different than when vinyl was king and Pink Floyd was still making new music. Because of that, I can respect their wishes to keep it all together as one piece, but it's true, the world's changed, but this music didn't.

    3. Re:If you want us to buy complete albums..... by king+neckbeard · · Score: 1

      "Why let other bands cover individual songs from your albums?" In that particular case, at least in the US, said artists don't have a choice. Licensing for covers is compulsory and at a statutory rate, so the only way they could prevent covers is by never doing a recorded rendition themselves. I could do the worst rendition of the most beautiful song in the world, and as long as I pay the royalties and don't change the melody or lyrics, there's nothing the author in question can do about it. Floyd might be able to exploit a loophole for The Wall by claiming that it is a 'dramatic musical composition', which isn't subject to compulsory licensing, but I'd have to say those claims would be resting on The Thin Ice (sorry, I had to shoehorn at least one Floyd reference in this post)

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    4. Re:If you want us to buy complete albums..... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Did you call out Radiohead? The very ones giving their junk away as mp3s on their own website? Seriously?

    5. Re:If you want us to buy complete albums..... by mcgrew · · Score: 1

      Pink Floyd doesn't often cut singles, but they have

      There were individual tracks on every single studio album they recorded (I have them all on LP). The radio played "Money" by itself almost as soon as DSOTM was released.

      Call it packback for a lifetime of 20 bucks for an album with three worthy tracks

      There are more than enough albums like that, but none from Pink Floyd.

    6. Re:If you want us to buy complete albums..... by farnsworth · · Score: 2

      There's plenty of artists that just need to suck it up and accept that the world has changed. Consumers have picked up the tiniest inkling of purchasing power over the music industry, and we're going to use it. Call it packback for a lifetime of 20 bucks for an album with three worthy tracks.

      This issue is a contract dispute over an agreement reached over 40 years ago. It's not fair to slam these guys for not foreseeing how the details of that agreement would be applicable to the current marketplace. These living artists are trying to exert whatever control they have over their own legacy.

      I seriously doubt Pink Floyd is looking for a small amount of additional money, they are some of the most successful and wealthy musicians ever to live.

      This issue is more akin to, say, Led Zeppelin objecting to their label issuing a censored version of their record so Walmart would sell it. It's perfectly acceptable for an artist to argue in good faith about the details of their agreement with a label, especially as the context of those details evolves dramatically over time.

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    7. Re:If you want us to buy complete albums..... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What makes your opinion important enough to force anyone to redefine a body of work spanning decades before you were even born? Talk about selfish. Sure, it may not be a logical argument given current conditions, but think for a minute about the ludicrous, self absorbed assertion you are making here. I don't agree or disagree with PF but they have much more of a right to protect the presentation of their music than you have to expect them to cower before your supposed purchasing power...

    8. Re:If you want us to buy complete albums..... by smbarbour · · Score: 2

      I can understand Pink Floyd's objection to selling by the track (at least partially). With The Wall, "Comfortably Numb" is the only song on the entire double-album that does not segue in from the previous or out to the following song. In fact, even "Outside the Wall" segues into "In the Flesh" with the phrase "Isn't this where we came in?" split between the two, which made for a continuous loop of the album in 8-track form.

      I have a few songs that I have edited for play on my MP3 player so that songs that are usually played together are combined so that I can listen on shuffle (such as "Brain Damage / Eclipse", "Long Distance Runaround / The Fish", and "Heartbreaker / Living Loving Maid" (though Led Zeppelin denies those songs are meant to be together, the lyrics indicates otherwise)).

    9. Re:If you want us to buy complete albums..... by SydShamino · · Score: 1

      Why slap together a greatest hits or box set package?

      To be fair, Pink Floyd compilations are reengineered to play as a continuous stream too. They do put in the effort that makes a "slap together" moniker a disservice. Otherwise I agree with your points.

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    10. Re:If you want us to buy complete albums..... by MightyMartian · · Score: 1

      There was no single for Animals, because the compositions were all too long, at no less than 10 minutes (except the Pigs On The Wing bookends, which were hardly single-worthy songs and neither clocked in at more than a minute and a half).

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    11. Re:If you want us to buy complete albums..... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I don't recall if you could just get a single song from In Rainblows if you wanted to. Could you? Because that's ultimately what we're talking about here.

      Pink Floyd giving into single track downloads is kind of like the slashdot community staying on topic in the comments, I never thought I'd see the day (and in the latter I still haven't.)

    12. Re:If you want us to buy complete albums..... by SydShamino · · Score: 1

      There are individual tracks for movements in symphonies as well, but that doesn't mean they are intended in every case to be played separately. There's nothing wrong with Pink Floyd arguing that The Wall is one continuous piece of music, where portions of the melody have been labeled for easy reference.

      That said, there's also nothing wrong with a fan choosing to listen to just three continuous songs instead of the whole album. Heck, it's okay with a fan to just like the first 30 seconds of "Money" followed by a mashup of "Eclipse" and "Gunner's Dream". It's not like Pink Floyd can stop fans from cutting up the music at non-song boundaries any more than they can stop at song boundaries. And yet no one here is advocating that EMI be able to sell half- or quarter-tracks.

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    13. Re:If you want us to buy complete albums..... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Alternatively, just make the album one long sound-scape if that's what they genuinely believe they're doing. Alas, they're talking crap and just crossfade songs to make them sound like one. Very few albums have a genuine theme permeating the whole. You need centuries dead composers to do that it would seem.

    14. Re:If you want us to buy complete albums..... by NiteShaed · · Score: 1

      For most bands, I'd agree with you, but Pink Floyd really is a different animal. As you said yourself, they never really put out many singles, and there's a reason for that. I don't think anything really compares to the type of albums they did, or how tightly interwoven the songs typically were. Sure, I'm all for selling the songs that were released in the past as singles, but there is an argument to be made that a lot of their material just plain old doesn't work well as individual tracks. Even radio stations tend to play Brain Damage/Eclipse back to back, pulling them apart breaks them.

      Nobody screams louder about albums that have 3 good tracks and 12 that are filler than me, but I really just don't think that Pink Floyd, especially during the Roger Waters years, ever really did that.

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    15. Re:If you want us to buy complete albums..... by Stregano · · Score: 1

      Uh, Kid Rock sucks. He always has sucked and always will suck.

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    16. Re:If you want us to buy complete albums..... by Quiet_Desperation · · Score: 1

      Agree with what you said, but, well, am I the only one who *didn't* buy albums unless I liked a solid majority of the songs? It wasn't that hard for me. If I liked an artist I generally liked most of their stuff. If I had a case of liking a couple songs, I just made a tape off a friend's record. Yes, kids, we were trading music *way* back when. ;-) It helped I had a good hand me down turntable and tape deck from my dad.

    17. Re:If you want us to buy complete albums..... by angus77 · · Score: 1

      Why let other bands cover individual songs from your albums?

      Because there's no law to stop people from covering songs (as long as they pay the appropriate royalties).

    18. Re:If you want us to buy complete albums..... by Shirakawasuna · · Score: 1

      Even more, if splitting up the songs in your album sullies their integrity, why not just release the album as a single, large file? Why even call them separate songs in the first place? Why let them be used separately in any situation (e.g. car commercials)?

    19. Re:If you want us to buy complete albums..... by couchslug · · Score: 0

      The artists don't need to "accept that the world has changed" at all. What they do is not my concern.

      "Call it paykback for a lifetime of 20 bucks for an album with three worthy tracks."

      Not MY lifetime. I don't pay for music. Big business doesn't give a shit about me and I return the favor.

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    20. Re:If you want us to buy complete albums..... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Or you could suck it up, and accept that the music has personal meaning to them and that they are free to sell, or not sell it however they wish.

      Do you really think Pink Floyd is worrying about being paid better? Maybe they don't want people who just like one song because it has a catchy melody to buy their music.

    21. Re:If you want us to buy complete albums..... by mug+funky · · Score: 1

      why would you need to download individual tracks if you could get the whole lot for the iTunes price of 1 track if you so desired?

      the hardcore fans will have bought the LP double-disc set with the bonus CD anyway...

    22. Re:If you want us to buy complete albums..... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Wow. First off, as for car commercials, you just threw that one in there without thought. It's not as if someone can just take your song and drop it in a commercial legally, if they wanted to do it illegally making it one file wouldn't stop them. And then you sue them. They have to have rights to the song, or a license, it has nothing to do with whether or not it's one song.

      Second off, it's convenient. It's not often I find an hour to listen to The Dark Side of the Moon all the way through. Sometimes I have to stop, in which case when I come back to it I'd like to be able to hit rewind once and start back at the beginning of the section I was on. It also allows names to be given to individual sections. Maybe they also have other reasons, hell if I know. Your argument is still bs.

    23. Re:If you want us to buy complete albums..... by multipartmixed · · Score: 1

      > I don't think anything really compares to the type of albums
      > they did, or how tightly interwoven the songs typically were.

      I think the second side of Abbey Road fits in there (although it predates them).

      Except for Her Majesty. That's just a big WTF.

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    24. Re:If you want us to buy complete albums..... by dryeo · · Score: 1

      Animals came pretty close, if you consider Pigs on the Wing as one song, there was only 4 worthy tracks.

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    25. Re:If you want us to buy complete albums..... by Darth_brooks · · Score: 1

      You're right, there isn't a law saying you can't, but there is the idea of professional courtesy. Weird Al has been adamant through his entire career about seeking out artist permission to parody songs, even though he doesn't have to (in his case, parody has been affirmed by the Supreme court). However, you can raise a royal stink about not *wanting* an artist to cover your work for whatever reason. Especially when you're an artist of Pink Floyd's stature.

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    26. Re:If you want us to buy complete albums..... by Darth_brooks · · Score: 1

      There were individual tracks on every single studio album they recorded (I have them all on LP). The radio played "Money" by itself almost as soon as DSOTM was released.

      True, but as far as cut and dried, pressed on a 45, on the charts, A side and B side, marketed and sold as "Singles", Pink Floyd has been surprisingly stingy. But they've done it.

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    27. Re:If you want us to buy complete albums..... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      See the comment up a few threads about digital distribution rights.

      I suspect this has less to do with "wanting you to buy the whole album" or "artistic integrity", and more to do with "negotiating the best possible deal with the label".

    28. Re:If you want us to buy complete albums..... by jo_ham · · Score: 1

      There was a case about this in the UK with some dance track that sampled James Brown, and he raised a massive stink about it, so they replaced it with a sound-a-like, then reaped the benefits as the the royalties flowed in since they got to number one for a while. No royalties for James Brown! A little different than actually covering a song, but a good display of karma.

    29. Re:If you want us to buy complete albums..... by TapeCutter · · Score: 1

      "I don't think anything really compares to the type of albums they did, or how tightly interwoven the songs typically were."

      Vivaldi's Four seasons, although technically they are not songs.

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    30. Re:If you want us to buy complete albums..... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      quote: There's plenty of artists that just need to suck it up and accept that the world has changed. /unquote

      no, they don't. what you're saying is basically, if the industry goons want you to bend over and buttfuck you, lube up and take it. i say, fight the rape. there is something like artistic integrity.

      in the case of the classic pink floyd albums, the sum is greater than the parts, imo. and pink floyd couldn't, or probably wouldn't want to hinder you taking songs out of their albums for your personal mixtape. what they were insisting on is that you'd get the whole album to be *able* to experience their music as they intended it. that is legitimate.

      i mean, you don't go to the louvre to see just mona lisa's smile, you see the whole painting. you don't go to a concert hall to just listen to the end of beethoven's ninth, you listen to the whole symphony (or at least the whole set), because it's building up to that choir. (might be a bad example, because this has been cut up and used for jingles and ringtones and other abominations of a popular culture which has made arbitraryness a virtue, but that's not the real deal anymore, that's not beethoven but beethoven's zombie.)

      architects have the right to forbid that you change their blueprints. painters or sculptors can forbid certain uses of their art even after they sold it. musicians can forbid that their music is used in advertisement, if they choose so. but they should not have the right to forbid it being cut up? i don't think so.

      just because the asswipes in the music industry, who are working hard on being the scum of the earth for quite a while now, think that they can squeeze out an extra buck by treating artistic achievements like a sack of potatoes, and have the power to enforce this, one should resign and give in.

      cunningamphibian (who is sad and angry - not at you, Darth, although i think you should reconsider your position)

    31. Re:If you want us to buy complete albums..... by js_sebastian · · Score: 1

      Why let other bands cover individual songs from your albums?

      Newsflash: I do not need your permission to cover your song. But if I sell a record with your cover you will get some of the money from the sales, based on some standard rule.

    32. Re:If you want us to buy complete albums..... by Tink2000 · · Score: 1

      Her Majesty was actually a throw-away track that got left on accidentally. It is supposed to go in between Mean Mr. Mustard and Polythene Pam (reprogram your CD player and you'll see).

    33. Re:If you want us to buy complete albums..... by mcgrew · · Score: 1

      It's not like Pink Floyd can stop fans from cutting up the music at non-song boundaries any more than they can stop at song boundaries.

      I had a copy of DSOM on tape that I'd recorded "On The Run" played at 16, 33, 45, and 78 RPM mixed together. Whenever I played that for someone who was REALLY stoned, it REALLY freaked them out.

      The Beatles "Helter Skelter" played backwards freaks people out, too -- it sounds like Lennon's singing "I like smack".

  12. Been on... by flogger · · Score: 1

    Been on Piratebay for Years. Glad to see that Pink will get some cash now for their efforts. (Not that they need any more.)

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  13. Re:i so don't care by oldspewey · · Score: 2

    ... then I saw your face, and you're a belieber ...

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  14. They'll realize the error of their ways by chemicaldave · · Score: 2

    when they start getting bigger royalty checks (assuming they get something from EMI) due to increased downloads of single tracks and not whole albums.

  15. Man, Mike Oldfield moust be pissed by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    How can you chop up Tubular Bells?

    1. Re:Man, Mike Oldfield moust be pissed by ettlz · · Score: 1

      How can you chop up Tubular Bells?

      Any number of ways. Off the top of my head:

      • Hacksaw
      • Angle-grinder
      • Oxyacetylene torch
    2. Re:Man, Mike Oldfield moust be pissed by Lilith's+Heart-shape · · Score: 1

      sudo apt-get install audacity

    3. Re:Man, Mike Oldfield moust be pissed by Anynomous+Coward · · Score: 1

      'number of ways' should have been 'colour you like' to stay on theme.

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    4. Re:Man, Mike Oldfield moust be pissed by ettlz · · Score: 1

      yum install amarok

    5. Re:Man, Mike Oldfield moust be pissed by mmcxii · · Score: 1

      Seeings as where TB is only two tracks, I don't think that will be a problem. And it's only two tracks because of the format of the time.

    6. Re:Man, Mike Oldfield moust be pissed by CrazeeCracker · · Score: 1

      How can you chop up Tubular Bells?

      • Grand Piano
      • Reed and Pipe Organ
      • Glockenspiel
      • Bass Guitar
      • Double Speed Guitar
      • Two Slightly Distorted Guitars
      • Mandolin
      • Spanish Guitar and Introducing Acoustic Guitar
      • Plus Tubular Bells
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    7. Re:Man, Mike Oldfield moust be pissed by tompaulco · · Score: 1

      Yep. If it hadn't been for the fact that albums had two sides, then both Tubular Bells and Thick as a Brick would have been one song. And Pink Floyd would probably have opted for a different track layout on Wish You Were Here, probably putting all the Shine On's together.

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    8. Re:Man, Mike Oldfield moust be pissed by 91degrees · · Score: 1

      The mp3 album (and I presume CD version) has multiple tracks. Amazon allows you to buy them individually.

  16. True but irrelevant by tm2b · · Score: 4, Insightful

    They are completely right that it does undermine the integrity of their albums, but they really lost that fight as soon as radio stations were playing individual tracks.

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    1. Re:True but irrelevant by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's just when the wall is listened to on its own it just sounds like a catchy rebellious youth song when in actuality its quite the opposite it's about the life being sucked out of a person or at least school's just another brick in the wall. It's just wrong wrong wrong.

    2. Re:True but irrelevant by Charliemopps · · Score: 1

      But they PAID radio stations to play individual tracks. Paying a radio station to play an entire album would be ridiculously expensive. They want to reserve the "ridiculously expensive" part for their fans:

      http://www.amazon.com/Pulse-Mlps-Spkg-Pink-Floyd/dp/B0007WZX9Y/ref=sr_1_26?s=music&ie=UTF8&qid=1294179947&sr=1-26

    3. Re:True but irrelevant by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Or when Pink Floyd started releasing singles.

    4. Re:True but irrelevant by hedwards · · Score: 1

      Not really. The point is that you hear one of their tracks a couple times a day, tops, and that's probably less so now. People like it and decide they want to buy it. Now, if they buy it as a single, they don't get any exposure to the rest of the disc, but if they have to buy an album, then they get the rest of it and a chance to appreciate the album experience.

      Yes, some people won't want it badly enough to buy the whole disc, but there's an incentive to put together a great album experience. As opposed to releasing a single plus 8 or 9 tracks that people may or may not buy.

    5. Re:True but irrelevant by meerling · · Score: 1

      Exactly. Most people have probably never even heard the entire album, much less in the correct sequence. I only know 2 people that even have the album, and those are the old vinyl records, one of which doesn't even have a record player. Even when I was a kid, almost nobody wanted albums, but singles were rarely available, and when they were, they were overpriced.

  17. I've already got Pink Floyd digital downloads by erroneus · · Score: 1

    Oh... you mean LEGAL digital downloads... yeah well... I've got CDs from the used CD store.

    1. Re:I've already got Pink Floyd digital downloads by Bing+Tsher+E · · Score: 1

      Floyd is established enough that you can just check their discs out of the library to rip.

  18. Missed the ship by TheRedDuke · · Score: 1

    Everyone already has their tracks courtesy of this torrent or that, or they're like me and ripped all their CDs long ago. No one in their right mind is going to pay for Apple DRM this late in the game. See "The Beatles".

    1. Re:Missed the ship by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Everyone already has their tracks courtesy of this torrent or that, or they're like me and ripped all their CDs long ago. No one in their right mind is going to pay for Apple DRM this late in the game. See "The Beatles".

      What Apple DRM?

    2. Re:Missed the ship by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You ripped the CDs? Real Floyd fans rip the vinyls.

      I am surprised many people claim to download their songs and such - I thought all of your parents owned at least one or two pink floyd albums already.

      get off my lawn and stuff.

    3. Re:Missed the ship by inAbsurdum · · Score: 1

      No one in their right mind is going to pay for Apple DRM this late in the game. See "The Beatles".

      Apple DRM? Last I checked, iTunes Store didn't contain any DRM-crippled files anymore. Just plain AAC-encoded music. Or am I wrong? Does Apple ID3-tag the songs with some info about the buyer or implement some other nefarious scheme?

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    4. Re:Missed the ship by SydShamino · · Score: 1

      Apple has DRM?

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    5. Re:Missed the ship by Lilith's+Heart-shape · · Score: 1

      Apple chucked their DRM a couple of years ago. They also sell all of their music encoded at 256kbps. Get with the times, or get fucked.

    6. Re:Missed the ship by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Plenty of people would prefer to pay for DRM* from Apple to make it convenient to load on their ipods and such.

      There are a lot more of those people, than there are people whom will download a torrent of DRM music.

      * I don't know why you think plain mp3 is DRM, nor why you think torrents have DRM, since they are the exact same formats, but whatever

    7. Re:Missed the ship by Stregano · · Score: 1

      Quiet down old timer. I told you I would get off when I am done playing wiffle ball

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    8. Re:Missed the ship by tuppe666 · · Score: 1

      No one in their right mind is going to pay for Apple DRM this late in the game. See "The Beatles".

      Apple DRM? Last I checked, iTunes Store didn't contain any DRM-crippled files anymore. Just plain AAC-encoded music. Or am I wrong? Does Apple ID3-tag the songs with some info about the buyer or implement some other nefarious scheme?

      Yes Apple does add info about the buyer in its tags. Clearly they are not informing their customers of this. :). Oh and AAC is patent encumbered.

    9. Re:Missed the ship by Actually,+I+do+RTFA · · Score: 1

      Does Apple ID3-tag the songs with some info about the buyer or implement some other nefarious scheme?

      I believe they embed your name in the song in plain text. But I don't see that as anything wrong. "You mean you're going to put an anti-piracy protection on the my music that doesn't interfere with my ability to use the damn thing?"

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    10. Re:Missed the ship by tuppe666 · · Score: 1

      Apple chucked their DRM a couple of years ago. They also sell all of their music encoded at 256kbps. Get with the times, or get fucked.

      If only they would be able to have devices that could act as Mass Storage Devices...or perhaps have the tunes in a less patent encumbered format.

    11. Re:Missed the ship by mmcxii · · Score: 2

      You ripped the CDs? Real Floyd fans rip the vinyls.

      I know this post is meant tongue in cheek but I've seen a couple of posts pointing to the idea of Floyd having exceptional sound. This is plainly not true. PF is fantastic, yes. PF is much more involved than most of their peers, yes. PF is an audiophile band? Um, no.

      I love Pink Floyd. I really do but Floyd has plenty of flaws in most of their recordings. Many of their recordings come off as abysmally dated by virtue of the recording quality. I think Floyd got their reputation largely from people who wanted prog rock without having to listen to Jon Anderson's voice. When it comes down to it Yes has much better sound engineering and much more complex music to offer. Not that Yes is a better band but they come off in spades with all the virtues that everyone likes to pin on Pink Floyd being the masters of.

      Again, it's nothing against Floyd but they weren't the pinnacle of sound engineering and complexity in rock. Sad but true.

    12. Re:Missed the ship by Tink2000 · · Score: 1

      Alan Parsons, engineer of DSotM, would like a word with you ...

  19. Welcome to last decade. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Who cares!? This would have been news 10 years ago....nothing to see here, move along.

  20. How will they deal with... by chargersfan420 · · Score: 3, Interesting

    How will they deal with songs that run together? Pink Floyd does this a lot. For example, from The Wall, "The Thin Ice", "Another Brick in the Wall (Part 1)", "The Happiest Days of Our Lives", and "Another Brick in the Wall (Part 2)" should really all be listened to together. I can't imagine anyone actually paying to own just "The Happiest Days of Our Lives", clocking in at just 1:46. Another solid example, from the same album, would be "Empty Spaces" and "Young Lust".

    While on the subject, it has long been a pet peeve of mine that music players don't recognize such songs exist and allow you to group them together, so when a random playlist is created, these songs still run together like they're supposed to.

    1. Re:How will they deal with... by XxtraLarGe · · Score: 4, Informative

      While on the subject, it has long been a pet peeve of mine that music players don't recognize such songs exist and allow you to group them together, so when a random playlist is created, these songs still run together like they're supposed to.

      iTunes has a feature called "Join CD Tracks," under the "Advanced" menu, but it only works for music you rip from a CD. It prevents the songs from playing separately if you are playing a random list.

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    2. Re:How will they deal with... by smbarbour · · Score: 1

      Use Audacity to do them justice. It's fairly easy, and with a little patience, you can even cut out the audible click between the tracks.

      Also with your example from The Wall... "Comfortably Numb" is the only song that is completely standalone. Everything else blends with either the previous track, following track, or both.

    3. Re:How will they deal with... by SydShamino · · Score: 1

      Does it have to be music I ripped from a CD in iTunes then? Why would iTunes care? All my Pink Floyd stuff was ripped years ago on an old PC before iTunes existed, then imported much much later so I could sync to my iPod.

      I'll have to look at it tonight, but if really only works with CDs ripped locally then it's a stupid, stupid implementation of an otherwise useful feature.

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    4. Re:How will they deal with... by mooingyak · · Score: 1

      I've had so many unused mod points lately, and now when I need them I don't have any. Thanks for the tip though.

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    5. Re:How will they deal with... by XxtraLarGe · · Score: 1

      Does it have to be music I ripped from a CD in iTunes then? Why would iTunes care?

      All I know is I can't join any songs I've downloaded from iTunes, which makes it really annoying when one song segues into another, especially intro or outro music. Few things more annoying than hearing a 30 or 45 second intro to a song, then having it abruptly cut to a song from a different band when you're expecting the song the intro is a part of.

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    6. Re:How will they deal with... by leamanc · · Score: 1

      The feature is there for when you rip it from CD, not to do it later. Check out macosxhints.com or Google around for methods to join your existing MP3s or AACs into one track. On OS X or other Unix-like systems, you could probably even 'cat' them together on the command line.

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  21. Welcome by ajegwu · · Score: 1

    tooooooo the machine.

  22. wish King Crimson would do likewise by Wansu · · Score: 1

    ... just saying ...

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    1. Re:wish King Crimson would do likewise by SonnyDog09 · · Score: 1

      Given Robert Fripp's well documented disdain for "common practice" in the music industry, I think that this is highly unlikely. This is one of my favorite Fripp quotes of all time: "It is the opinion of most musicians that the music industry sucks. This is because the music industry sucks."

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  23. I sometimes use a PLAYLIST .. by niks42 · · Score: 1

    that means I get to select tunes from all kinds of albums, from all kinds of artists ... and I play them in any order that I feel like. I sometimes play a SINGLE SONG from an album. I wouldn't imagine for one minute that any of the artists involved thought I was not treating their artistic output with appropriate respect.

    1. Re:I sometimes use a PLAYLIST .. by hedwards · · Score: 1

      It's not so much an issue of occasionally doing it, the issue is that if people are buying individual tracks that they're likely to not ever hear the entire piece as intended. Plus, for some artists taking a single track sounds funny, I know some Eagles tracks start with a portion of the previous track blended into the start of the next track.

  24. already on itunes... by ooleary · · Score: 1

    Just out of curiosity , I searched on itunes. Lo, Dark Side of the Moon was there.
    http://itunes.apple.com/us/album/dark-side-of-the-moon/id14336410

    1. Re:already on itunes... by smbarbour · · Score: 1

      And sadly... Brain Damage and Eclipse are sold separately

    2. Re:already on itunes... by toomanyhandles · · Score: 1

      That's just wrong. Even radio stations (usually) got that right. I won't listen to my ipod-imported version of those albums as the jump from one mp3 to another is also just wrong for them. I ended up merging the mp3 in Audacity and building my own album. Jarringly wrong.

  25. Re:i so don't care by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    If libertarians are so opposed to effective government, why don't they all move to Somalia?

    Because they're libertarians, and not anarchists, jihadists, pirates, or warlords?

    No, seriously. What the fuck are the poli-sci profs teaching you kids these days?

  26. How is a single download different from radio? by perpenso · · Score: 2

    Most music nowadays is bite size but most of Floyd's stuff you really had to listen to the entire Album to appreciate it.

    I agree that albums can yield a greater experience but how is buying a single different than listening to a single on the radio?

    Also can't a single be a "preview" of some kind, inspiring the listener to *eventually* buy the album?

    1. Re:How is a single download different from radio? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I agree that albums can yield a greater experience but how is buying a single different than listening to a single on the radio?

      Well, that's the thing. Pink Floyd never released singles. Radio stations would often play individual songs off their albums, but they were never actually singles per se.

    2. Re:How is a single download different from radio? by jmorris42 · · Score: 1

      > Pink Floyd never released singles.

      Not correct. Pretty sure I still own a 7" single of Another Brick in the Wall Part II.... somewhere. So yes there were some songs sold as singles.

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    3. Re:How is a single download different from radio? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Existing law allows radio stations to play single tracks at a pre-set payment rate to the publishers, whether the artist/publisher likes it or not.

    4. Re:How is a single download different from radio? by theCurteye · · Score: 1

      I also have a copy of "Another Brick in the Wall part II" on 7". One of my Turns is the b-side. I believe both are shortened to fit the format. Of course this is a Canadian release.

    5. Re:How is a single download different from radio? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You aren't paying attention to what he's saying. It's not about buying the album, Pink Floyd doesn't have to worry about sales they make enough money.

    6. Re:How is a single download different from radio? by jeremyp · · Score: 1

      Pink Floyd never released singles.

      Arnold Layne

      See Emily Play

      Money

      Another Brick in the Wall (part II) - Number 1 in 1979, I believe.

      There are probably others, but those are the ones I can think of off the top of my head.

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    7. Re:How is a single download different from radio? by khr · · Score: 1

      I agree that albums can yield a greater experience but how is buying a single different than listening to a single on the radio?

      Well, when I ran a pirate radio station out of my dorm room in college, I never played single Pink Floyd tracks, I always played the whole album (and with a CD changer, several whole albums in a row...).

    8. Re:How is a single download different from radio? by adolf · · Score: 1

      I agree that albums can yield a greater experience but how is buying a single different than listening to a single on the radio?

      Also can't a single be a "preview" of some kind, inspiring the listener to *eventually* buy the album?

      Singles usually come with one or more other tracks that may or may not be available elsewhere, as well as original cover art. The industrial/techno crowd used to revolve around singles (which often contained remixes that would not be found on an album), for instance, along with a number of other genres.

      Oh. Wait. You meant single downloads.

      *head in hands*

      Kids, these days.

  27. Sounds great, by the way, which one is Pink? by PolygamousRanchKid+ · · Score: 1

    n/t

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  28. I don't buy the "artistic integrity" argument by XxtraLarGe · · Score: 0

    It's a red herring thrown up by artists whose argument doesn't really hold water. If they were really that concerned about it, they would have refused to allow radio stations to play their songs as singles as well, but I've heard more than my share of singles from Metallica, Pink Floyd, Madonna, the Beatles, etc. on the radio.

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    1. Re:I don't buy the "artistic integrity" argument by NiteShaed · · Score: 1

      Pink Floyd didn't release many singles, the bulk of their albums just weren't very radio friendly. For all the other artists you name you're right, but not Floyd. I can't think of any problems with putting all the tracks from Metallica, Madonna or The Beatles into my playlist and hitting shuffle, they generally do songs that stand on their own. Do that with Floyd and you'll get a mess. Tracks tend to flow into each other, some tracks are nothing more than sounds or voices bridging two songs....they were just never intended to be played that way, and hearing them that way is the very definition of damaging the artistic integrity of the album.

      Think of it this way: Pizza is delicious, but eating a handful of flour, a scoop of tomato sauce, a bit of cheese and a spoonfull of oil seperately and in random order is disgusting. Pink Floyd used songs as ingredients to build albums, they rarely aimed for a song that stood by itself (although when they did, it was usually great: Comfortably Numb springs to mind).

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    2. Re:I don't buy the "artistic integrity" argument by angus77 · · Score: 1

      If there was a law to prevent radio stations from playing the songs, maybe they would have.

  29. Re:i so don't care by mcgrew · · Score: 1

    Get off my lawn, you damned tasteless kid.

  30. One long digital download... by hilldog · · Score: 1

    Since some of their songs were half an album (yes showing my age) that could make for one long and dare I say economical download.

  31. Pink Floyd has a point here... by geekmux · · Score: 1

    ...with artistic integrity, especially when you listen to some of their older albums (Meddle, DSOTM, Animals, etc.) where the songs tend to "flow" and work together in unison.

    That being said, they shouldn't completely condemn the digital download era we live in. Besides, if I were a member of the band, I would be more appalled at the shitty hardware kids use today to TRY and listen to good music than the music itself. Sorry, I don't care how "bad-ass" those earbuds are, an iPod is far from a quality listening experience.

    1. Re:Pink Floyd has a point here... by Desler · · Score: 0

      Besides, if I were a member of the band, I would be more appalled at the shitty hardware kids use today to TRY and listen to good music than the music itself. Sorry, I don't care how "bad-ass" those earbuds are, an iPod is far from a quality listening experience.

      Yeah the real way to listen to music is an overpriced Hi-Fi with 5000 dollar interconnects, right?

    2. Re:Pink Floyd has a point here... by bluefoxlucid · · Score: 1

      I bought a shit Motorola Cliq and plugged my headphones into it, since I can carry a cell phone and not worry about the iPod and HOLY SHIT SOUND QUALITY! iPod is CRAP!

    3. Re:Pink Floyd has a point here... by RazzleFrog · · Score: 1

      I would think there is a compromise between the $5000 and the awful earbuds that ships with iPods. I've always wondered why they don't ship with something better quality.

    4. Re:Pink Floyd has a point here... by Locke2005 · · Score: 1

      How about The Wall, where the last track is actually the first half of the first track... that's right, the album loops around. I guess it made sense in the days of 8 Track tapes.

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    5. Re:Pink Floyd has a point here... by Locke2005 · · Score: 1

      You can always buy better headphones for your iPod; even the $30 Sony earbuds provide better sound.

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    6. Re:Pink Floyd has a point here... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Try a Sony Walkman MP3 player, with their "bad-ass" earbuds. No comparison.

    7. Re:Pink Floyd has a point here... by fred+fleenblat · · Score: 1

      you can get some pretty good sound out of an iPod if you use both lossless encoding and a decent pair of headphones.

    8. Re:Pink Floyd has a point here... by mcgrew · · Score: 1

      Besides, if I were a member of the band, I would be more appalled at the shitty hardware kids use today to TRY and listen to good music than the music itself.

      Indeed... but if you're happy with lossy compression and crappy output devices, it doesn't really matter, I guess. Plus, kids listened to Floyd on crappy analog systems back in the day, too.

      I was incredibly disappointed when I got DSOM on CD. I hadn't yet learned how digital music was accomplished or worked, and the hype was its "clarity" and dynamic range. I expected to hear stuff that was covered up in vinyl noise (the noise that comes from irregularities in the vinyl itself, not dust or scratches).

      No such thing; not only was it not more clear, it was missing dynamics and replaced noise with aliasing.

      But I had reasonably good equipment. A CD played on a cheap player sounds better than an album played on a $200 stereo, but a good turntable and good speakers will sound far better than a top-notch CD system.

      An expensive CD player is only marginally better than a cheap one, wheras with analog, there was a HUGE difference between cheap and expensive.

      I'd like to see sampling rates increased 10x; that would sound better than an LP.

  32. Bring on tracks for GH and Rock Band 3! by Is0m0rph · · Score: 1

    I want to see some Rock Band 3 Pink Floyd DLC! I still have the 9 CD box set for Pink Floyd. I would love to have some tracks in Rock Band.

    1. Re:Bring on tracks for GH and Rock Band 3! by tompaulco · · Score: 2

      I have thus far not purchased Guitar Hero mostly because of the same reason I don't buy albums these days, a few good songs and a bunch of crap. A Pink Floyd version would be awesome, but then I don't know how well it could really be done in Guitar Hero. Most of David Gilmour's solos are not particularly fast paced, which is one of the things that guitar hero hinges on. All of Gilmour's work from a guitar player's point of view is just amazing. He does something interesting to EVERY SINGLE NOTE. Bend up, bend down, hammer on, pick rake, harmonic, etc. There is simply no way to try to emulate that by mashing buttons.
      About 10 years ago, I learned all of the guitar parts on The Wall, Wish You Were Here, Dark Side of the Moon, The Final Cut and Animals, and that really felt like an accomplishment. I can't play it as well as David Gilmour, but I would feel like mashing buttons on guitar Hero would be a mockery.

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  33. Re:i so don't care by PatPending · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Pink Floyd's The Dark Side of the Moon holds the record for most weeks on Billboard's list (772 weeks). Now get off my lawn.

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  34. Re:i so don't care by Duradin · · Score: 1

    Is a belieber a fanatical Bieber fan?

  35. Good songs first... by frank_adrian314159 · · Score: 1

    Even with concept albums, the songs need to be good enough to stand on their own. That's one reason why I'm not bothered by individual tracks being released from the legendary Floyd albums.

    Yes, with all songs taken together, the albums "Dark Side of the Moon", "Wish You Were Here", and "Animals" are insanely good and provide an interesting flow. But all of the songs on those albums are just this side of genius even when taken one-by-one.

    On the other hand, if you listen to "The Wall"... a good 30% of those songs suck - they can't stand on their own outside the album structure. Same with the earlier Floyd releases like "Ummagumma" (Does anyone who isn't stoned - or a drummer - actually like "Several Species of Small Furry Animals"?) and "Meddle" (I love "Echos", but "Seamus" - which I think was just on the US release - is just weird for the album). And, God knows, back in the Barrett days, they were trying to make singles. And a lot of the other songs on those albums downright sucked.

    Bottom line, if an "artist" is fighting to keep his "concept" together, you know he or she is saying that half the album sucks and is fighting for the addition $5 or so selling the entire album and not just the two or three good tracks therefrom gives.

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    1. Re:Good songs first... by mmcxii · · Score: 1

      What? Meddle is Floyd's most solid album. I know only about 15% of all Floyd fans are early Floyd fans but still...

  36. Re:i so don't care by ae1294 · · Score: 1

    The party line. Two parties one line, choose your evil...

  37. Were singles released on 45 rpms? by perpenso · · Score: 1

    I didn't pay attention to 45's back in the day but did Pink Floyd release any of their songs as singles on 45's? The 45 rpm seems to be the analog equivalent to the modern single digital download.

    On the other hand digital downloads do take things a step farther since very few songs on albums were released as 45 singles. However I have seen stuff on iTunes that were available only as part of an album but it was not quite like the LP/45 situation. IIRC only a few song were available only via the album download.

    1. Re:Were singles released on 45 rpms? by tompaulco · · Score: 2

      45's are akin to a modern single track download from a track standpoint, but from a sound quality standpoint, a modern digital download is the opposite of the 45. The higher spin speed of the single offered higher fidelity as you traversed a longer linear distance in the same amount of time. Whereas a digital download sometimes, but not always is at a decreased bitrate from the original recording.

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    2. Re:Were singles released on 45 rpms? by sound+vision · · Score: 0

      I'm pretty sure their early singles (chronicled on the aptly-named The Early Singles and the 3-CD remaster of Piper at the Gates of Dawn) were released on 45s, as that was what everyone did back then. Being that it was 1966/1967, they even had mono mixes made in addition to the stereo. So, I can't imagine these singles having been put out on anything but 7-inch records that spun at 45 rpm.

      Hm, I just Youtubed it, and I found a video of an only half-working copy of See Emily Play, and it's definitely a 45.
      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bOEpAmg2NAI

      But, when most people say "Pink Floyd" they mean "post-Barrett Pink Floyd". I dunno about their singles that came after. I think it's possible that they were radio-only singles, that is, no vinyl copies were ever mass-produced. That would be congruent with the fact that they've only just now caved in to individual digital downloads.

    3. Re:Were singles released on 45 rpms? by sound+vision · · Score: 0

      Well, after actually listening past the intro, it's apparent that the record I linked to isn't the original Pink Floyd version, but a cover.

      The question still stands!

    4. Re:Were singles released on 45 rpms? by mcgrew · · Score: 1

      Along with what tompaulco said, 45s weren't (usually*) singles, but doubles -- there was a different song on each side of the record.

      The B side of "Eve of destruction" was an oppositely themed song.

      "Hey, Hey, what did I say" wasn't released on an album (at least while Bohnam was alive), but was the B side of (iirc) "Whole Lot Of Love".

      Similarly, "the Ballad of John and Yoko" was never on a Beatles album while the band was together.

      The B side of "They're coming to take me away" was the same song, only played backwards.

      * Some 45s had longer songs broken in half; Creedence's "Suzy Cue" for example.

  38. Floyd lost their integrity 20 years ago... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Interesting

    I recognized that Pink Floyd had lost the last remnants of their artistic integrity almost exactly 20 years ago, in January 1991 to be exact. I was in my early 20's and was grocery shopping in a Kroger supermarket in north Dallas when over the store's "Muzak" system they begun to play an elevator-music instrumental version of "Run Like Hell" (from The Wall album). I stopped dead cold in my tracks, and there was a 40-something year old woman a few feet down the isle from me who also stopped dead cold in her tracks. We both simultaneously looked at each other with a huge WTF expression on our faces, then simultaneously looked up at the speakers on the ceiling where this dreadful noise was coming from and then we both shook our heads in complete disbelief, and then walked away carrying on with our shopping. Two strangers in a grocery store, a full generation apart from each other, recognized the death of a music genre. Yes, I know it wasn't Floyd who was performing that dreadful piece of elevator-Muzak, but they certainly allowed their song to be recorded by someone in that horrible manner.

    1. Re:Floyd lost their integrity 20 years ago... by toleraen · · Score: 3, Informative

      Roger Waters has owned the rights to "The Wall" since 1987, not Pink Floyd.

    2. Re:Floyd lost their integrity 20 years ago... by Soft+Cosmic+Rusk · · Score: 1

      AFAIK, cover versions aren't illegal, and you don't need the creators accept to record one.

    3. Re:Floyd lost their integrity 20 years ago... by Fieryphoenix · · Score: 2

      Bands cannot control who does cover versions so long as the musicians doing the cover pay the fees. There is no copyright veto against it.

    4. Re:Floyd lost their integrity 20 years ago... by Tink2000 · · Score: 1

      Well, you know wrongly then. There's even what might be an urban legend about Ted Nugent becoming a controlling stock holder of Muzak simply to avoid ever having any of his music done by them. Parodies on the other hand...

    5. Re:Floyd lost their integrity 20 years ago... by Soft+Cosmic+Rusk · · Score: 1

      Wikipedia disagrees with you: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cover_version#U.S._copyright_law (Although that is in the US. I don't have the patience to find the UK law.)

    6. Re:Floyd lost their integrity 20 years ago... by Tink2000 · · Score: 1

      You know, I think I misinterpreted your 1st post. Too early in the morning. You don't need permission to do a cover tune, but if you start playing that song on the radio without paying your fees then I hope your lawyer is cheap.

    7. Re:Floyd lost their integrity 20 years ago... by Soft+Cosmic+Rusk · · Score: 1

      Sure, but can PF decide what the fees are? I thought it was a standard rate depending on the number of listeners.

    8. Re:Floyd lost their integrity 20 years ago... by Tink2000 · · Score: 1

      You are absolutely right in your assessment. Still, you have to pay those fees if you are anything approaching a pro. What I call "fees" should be interpreted as your ASCAP dues & any royalty percentage due.

      Like I said, lack of caffeine does dangerously stupid things to me :)

    9. Re:Floyd lost their integrity 20 years ago... by Soft+Cosmic+Rusk · · Score: 1

      Fair enough, the dangerous effects of caffeine abstinence are all too well known by me ;) My point was just that Pink Floyd didn't really lose any integrity if they couldn't have stopped the cover version from being aired anyway.

  39. Re:i so don't care by MightyMartian · · Score: 1

    Probably that Libertarianism would lead to as unmanageable and unproductive society as an anarchist society.

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  40. Quoth the EMI agent: by Locke2005 · · Score: 1

    "And by the way, which one of you is Pink?"

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    1. Re:Quoth the EMI agent: by H0p313ss · · Score: 1

      Tell me is something eluding you sunshine? Is this not what you expected to see?

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    2. Re:Quoth the EMI agent: by bdparsley · · Score: 1
      (music trivia) Pink Anderson of course!

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pink_Anderson

      I'm a fan of the piedmont blues. If you've never heard of Pink, look up the song "Travlin' Man". Roy Book Binder does a good version (which he learned from Pink) that you can probably find on youtube.

  41. All that glitters.... by mrops · · Score: 4, Funny

    ....oh sorry wrong thread

  42. welcome to the machine by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    By the way...which one's Pink?

  43. Re:i so don't care by king+neckbeard · · Score: 1

    And of course, even if they were anarchist, it's not like the only difference about Somalia and say the US is the lack of government. It sucked when it had a government, and most people wouldn't prefer to live in Somalia's neighbors that also have governments.

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  44. Jethro Tull by boristdog · · Score: 1

    Where can I buy just the first song off Jethro Tull's "Thick as a Brick" album?

    1. Re:Jethro Tull by night_flyer · · Score: 1

      I see what you did there

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  45. Who? by Locke2005 · · Score: 1

    If it doesn't include Roger Waters or Syd Barrett, it's not really Pink Floyd, is it? Yeah, Gilmore and Mason must have run out of money.

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    1. Re:Who? by smbarbour · · Score: 1

      Well, that would be 2 out of the 3 surviving. Syd passed away in 2006, and Wright in 2008. Roger would still get his share of royalties (except for sales on "Momentary Lapse of Reason" and "The Division Bell" when he wasn't in the band anymore)

    2. Re:Who? by tompaulco · · Score: 1

      Run out of money? Yeah right. Ferrari's don't come free with your breakfast cereal, you know. David Gilmour has his own floating studio. Syd screwed himself over before Pink Floyd even hit it big.
      Roger Waters is over the breakup. Why aren't you?
      I spend a lot of time waffling back and forth over which is my favorite Pink Floyd album, and a lot of the time my current favorite is Momentary Lapse of Reason or the Division Bell. But then, I also think David Gilmour's About Face is one of the best albums ever.

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  46. Get with the program, or else. by Lilith's+Heart-shape · · Score: 1

    Good for them. They get to stay relevant.

    1. Re:Get with the program, or else. by PotatoFiend · · Score: 1

      "Stay relevant"?

      Dark Side of the Moon, released in 1973, spent over 14 consecutive years on the Billboard 200 chart -- longer than any other album. The Wall, released in 1979, still ranks among the top 5 highest-selling albums of all time in the U.S. See here and here.

      So no matter what trends come and go in how popular music is produced and consumed, the idea that Pink Floyd could become irrelevant seems pretty far-fetched.

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    2. Re:Get with the program, or else. by mmcxii · · Score: 1

      I didn't realize that relevancy was linked into doing what corporations want you to do. That's a new one on me.

      I'm 100% for artists making decisions about how their works should be distributed. To be against this you may as well be turning them into cattle.

    3. Re:Get with the program, or else. by geekoid · · Score: 1

      That just means it was relevant until 1987. Not that it will be forever relevant.

      Forever your girl spent 64 consecutive weeks on the billboard 200, does that mean it' still relevant?

      While Pink Floyd is still relevant, it's time on the Billboard chart is a horrid argument.

      I have heard some great remixs that sound freaking awesome. The fact that it is still influencing almost every musician that has ever heard it is what makes it relevant.

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    4. Re:Get with the program, or else. by tompaulco · · Score: 1

      In order to

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    5. Re:Get with the program, or else. by tompaulco · · Score: 1

      stay relevant

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    6. Re:Get with the program, or else. by tompaulco · · Score: 1

      one must

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    7. Re:Get with the program, or else. by tompaulco · · Score: 1

      meet the

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    8. Re:Get with the program, or else. by tompaulco · · Score: 1

      demands of

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    9. Re:Get with the program, or else. by tompaulco · · Score: 1

      the consumer

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    10. Re:Get with the program, or else. by Lilith's+Heart-shape · · Score: 1

      "Stay relevant"?

      Dark Side of the Moon, released in 1973, spent over 14 consecutive years on the Billboard 200 chart -- longer than any other album. The Wall, released in 1979, still ranks among the top 5 highest-selling albums of all time in the U.S. See here and here.

      So no matter what trends come and go in how popular music is produced and consumed, the idea that Pink Floyd could become irrelevant seems pretty far-fetched.

      I decide for myself what is relevant and what isn't. That's another consequence of the Internet and the Long Tail; I no longer have to let other people decide for me what music should matter, and what music shouldn't matter. Of course, you have the same liberty. As far as I'm concerned, Queensryche's 1988 album Operation: Mindcrime is more relevant than anything Pink Floyd has done, since you can still encapsulate most of the social ills of the United States in songs like "Revolution Calling" and "Spreading the Disease".

    11. Re:Get with the program, or else. by Lilith's+Heart-shape · · Score: 1

      When corporations handle distribution and promotion, you're damned right that relevance depends on keeping them happy.

  47. Re:i so don't care by KlomDark · · Score: 1

    Libertarianism: Facing need for some government, but but no more than that.

    Not the job factory/overseer that the US government has become.

    I don't think the libertarian policy has enough human factor to be implemented. Such a system design will inevitably eject the long-term thinkers [Who think in terms of themselves as members of a millenially-aged species and the responsibility inherent.] from the herd-minded short-term thinkers [Who care only about their own moment in time.] who don't care as long as they have food and shelter. What is the answer to that obstacle?

  48. fans tripped out, band not by nightcats · · Score: 1

    PF is actually one of the least "tripped out" bands of that era. Gilmore, Waters, the late Wright, and Mason are/were all fairly clean livers. I think they actually learned something early from Sid's death and avoided the drug culture that trapped many others. It's probably one reason why their music was so clear, creative, often sublime.

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    1. Re:fans tripped out, band not by mcgrew · · Score: 1

      The band may not have been tripped out, but the music sure was! Ever hear Atom Heart Mother?

  49. Re:i so don't care by KlomDark · · Score: 1

    Whoops, that was in reply to 'If libertarians are so opposed to effective government, why don't they all move to Somalia?' as well. [Backing up the ACs comment, not arguing with it.]

  50. They're not worried about... by commodore73 · · Score: 0

    They're not worried about the effects of digitization on the feel of the music? Especially with lossy compression? I love Pink Floyd, but this was obviously about the money, not the experience.

    1. Re:They're not worried about... by commodore73 · · Score: 0

      Or maybe they should never have sold the wall album separate from the movie. And find some way to force you to review the album art before listening to the music. And maybe a drug test to require a current high dose of LSD in order to proceed.

    2. Re:They're not worried about... by mmcxii · · Score: 1

      The Wall: The Movie was an afterthought of the album.

    3. Re:They're not worried about... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Interesting; I would not have known that (but then the movie spoils the album experience, right?). BTW, nice handle. I've seen that band a few times...

    4. Re:They're not worried about... by commodore73 · · Score: 0

      You keep on slappin' that bass.

  51. And did we tell you the name of the game, boy? by Jeremiah+Cornelius · · Score: 1

    We call it Riding the Gravy Train...

    (Oh by the way, which one's Pink?)

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    1. Re:And did we tell you the name of the game, boy? by davester666 · · Score: 1

      At $1.29 a shot, as these are obviously premium songs.

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  52. Who cares by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    All the cool kids already got all the albums on vinyl anyway, the *only* way they should be heard!

  53. Re:i so don't care by angus77 · · Score: 4, Funny

    That Libertarians are like Jehova's Witnesses---they're so desperate to get a word in, they'll even reply to a sig!

  54. PF Alternative, anyone ? by Anynomous+Coward · · Score: 1

    Can anyone recommend another band that has written music of similar quality, complexity and stamina ? The closest I get are a few extremely well done 1 hour long trance remixes.

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    1. Re:PF Alternative, anyone ? by mmcxii · · Score: 1

      Porcupine Tree if you're looking for rock style music.

    2. Re:PF Alternative, anyone ? by radoni · · Score: 1

      Try:

      The Gathering
      Mono (instrumental group from Japan)
      Captain Beefheart
      Frank Zappa
      Nathan Fake
      Mew / And the glass handed kites (album)
      Muse
      Radiohead
      ELP

      and there's always Brian Eno / Mike Oldfield, but honestly I haven't got the patience for it.

      To be fair you should probably give Sonic Youth a listen; Musically brilliant and "recent", though not anything similar to Pink Floyd.

      I've heard Coldplay is similar to Pink Floyd, just kidding.

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    3. Re:PF Alternative, anyone ? by Anynomous+Coward · · Score: 1

      Thanks a lot, the wiki sure sounds promising. I'm going to have a look.

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    4. Re:PF Alternative, anyone ? by Anynomous+Coward · · Score: 1

      Thanks for the list. Some suggestions are familiar, but I'll be exploring the new leads.

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    5. Re:PF Alternative, anyone ? by mcgrew · · Score: 1

      The Beatles (particularly Magical Mystery Tour and Sgt. Peppers), Led Zeppelin (even though they weren't concept albums), The Who, and one album by Jethro Tull (lyrics written by a child) "Thick As A Brick."

    6. Re:PF Alternative, anyone ? by Anynomous+Coward · · Score: 1

      Just started listening... Awesome.

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  55. Syd's Death? by Locke2005 · · Score: 4, Informative

    Syd died in 2006, far too late for them to learn anything from his death. They were scared into avoiding drugs by Syd's descent into psychosis triggered by his heavy LSD use, not by his death. Gilmore was Syd's replacement.

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  56. Too bad ... by BitZtream · · Score: 1

    That is ... too bad I stopped caring about bands who pulled this crap a long time ago.

    Don't want to sell me what I want? Fine, I'll keep my money for people who sell me what I want to buy.

    Buying their tracks now just lets them get by with it and sends the wrong message to other people like them. The best thing to do is to simply not purchase it anyway, rip your old CDs instead or records if you got'em, but don't give them any more of your money.

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  57. If they were concerned about... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ..."cutting up their albums", then how come you could buy 45 rpm singles of their songs way back when? They also certainly don't seem too concerned that radio stations play their songs as single tracks, and consequently seem quite eager to collect royalties on those as well.

  58. I just realized... by poly_pusher · · Score: 1

    Ya know, Pink Floyd used to be one of my favorite bands. As a teenager I was introduced to Darkside of the Moon and completely blown away *in the 1990's* I used to have most of their albums but through the years after moving a lot and transitioning to what is pretty much an entirely digital collection, I haven't listened to much if any Pink Floyd. Sure an occasional song on the radio, but that's about it.

    I'm glad they finally realized that their fans were evaporating due to their own silly decisions...

    1. Re:I just realized... by mmcxii · · Score: 1

      I highly doubt their popularity has dwindled (if it has dwindled) because of their refusal to do iTunes.

      And just out of curiosity, what are you listening to now since you've drifted from listening to a lot of Floyd?

  59. Comma confusion by TangoMargarine · · Score: 1

    Had to read that last sentence through a number of times until I realized what they were going for was "Now, though, they've given in to the Man and the likes of Money, Shine on You Crazy Diamond, and Comfortably Numb will soon no doubt be available as 99p downloads on iTunes."

    Not "Now, though they've given in to the Man and the likes of Money, Shine on You Crazy Diamond, and Comfortably Numb will soon no doubt be available as 99p downloads on iTunes, this sentence is missing it's concluding thought."

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  60. Their artistic integrity by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    But their artistic integrity originally was recorded on 24 track tape, so the tape should be the only thing sold. Oh wait, next their artistic integrity was mixed and fiddled with by some engineer, then put to 24 track tape. Oh wait, next their artistic integrity was added to all the other artistic integrity, so it wound up on another 24 track tape. Oh wait, next their artistic integrity was turned into a clay mould. Oh wait, then their artistic integrity was turned into a metal stamp from that clay mould. Oh wait, then their artistic integrity was pressed from the metal stamp onto a black round piece of plastic. I don't know how much art was in their artistic integrity. I'm pretty sure they didn't do the mould, or pressing parts. I'm pretty certain they only recorded one song at a time. Was it really artistic integrity that they wanted all their songs from a complete album sold as a lump, or was it part of that old standard formula that record albums used to consist of: 2 songs of glory, and 22 pieces of crap. The crap sounds pristine years later, (it was only ever played once), the songs of glory are worn down to pits, rumble and hiss. Digital means that not only do you never have to buy a new one, but also that you can cherry pick what you want to listen to. Sorry Floyd. At least people have a legal way to get your music off the internet, although making them wait this long means they likely already have all of your songs off the internet.

  61. Songs played as singles on the radio all the time! by Trip6 · · Score: 1

    What "artistic integrity?" It was good enough to chop up their albums for radio play but not for download? How hypocritical is that?

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  62. No! They should sell co-singles. by Lamesword · · Score: 1

    Listening to Pink Floyd singles is the exact wrong way to do it, literally. The proper way to listen to certain Pink Floyd albums is in their entirety except for one track. For example, when I listen to Dark Side of the Moon, I always skip "Money" if I'm paying attention. That song totally kills the vibe—not the fault of Waters et al. so much as having had to hear that song so many times in the company of assholes. Perhaps they could sell a deluxe edition of that album, in two volumes available for separate purchase: Volume I, Tracks 1–4, 6–9 and Volume II, Frat-Party Mixtape (a combination of "Money" and other bonus tracks).

    1. Re:No! They should sell co-singles. by mcgrew · · Score: 1

      The proper way to listen to certain Pink Floyd albums is in their entirety except for one track. For example, when I listen to Dark Side of the Moon, I always skip "Money" if I'm paying attention.

      You're doing it wrong. DSOM and other such albums are best listened to one album side at a time; CDs only have one side, but LPs and cassettes had two.

      "Money, it's a hit -- don't give me that do-goody god bullshit" morphs into Us And Them, which was a continuation of Money. "Out of the way, it's a busy day, I've got things on my mind. For want of the price of tea and a slice the old man died." Both a continuation and a contrast; very artistically done.

  63. But... by iceaxe · · Score: 1

    I already own every one of their albums, several in multiple physical formats, as well as a good bit of their various individual projects.

    Shouldn't everyone have to spend gobs of cash and years (decades) of collecting to enjoy some Floyd?

    (I'm tired of having to respond to people who fail the sarcasm detection test... THAT WAS SARCASM)

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  64. Re:i so don't care by mug+funky · · Score: 1

    "Two parties one line"

    i think i saw that video. i don't care to see it again.

  65. Live at Pompeii by Weaselmancer · · Score: 2

    Meddle? The track Echoes is orgasmic to listen to. IMHO, it is one of the best tracks ever recorded.

    If you haven't already, find a copy of Live at Pompeii. My copy is my wife's - her family owned a mom-and-pop video store and she kept the copy when it folded.

    Here, check this out:

    Part 1

    Part 2

    As creepy/beautiful as this song is, playing it to an abandoned amphitheater on the ruins of Pompeii just multiplies the awesome. There is some studio footage of the original scoring of Us and Them too. It's fantastic to watch.

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    1. Re:Live at Pompeii by kimvette · · Score: 1

      I've had that on VHS since it was released. That tape is probably the only VHS tape I have that would motivate me to hook up one of my VCRs again. :)

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    2. Re:Live at Pompeii by TheGratefulNet · · Score: 1

      It's fantastic to watch.

      NB: tv set being on is optional.

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    3. Re:Live at Pompeii by tao · · Score: 1

      It's available on DVD too, so I'd suggest an upgrade :)

  66. They're right though... by MoNsTeR · · Score: 1

    I mean if you don't listen to Pink Floyd albums as ALBUMS, you're doing it wrong.

  67. It's quite obvious.... by Albinoman · · Score: 2

    that you don't know much about Pink Floyd. They could go on tour with insane ticket prices and still sell out every venue, no problem, but they don't. Much of their music is actually about the revulsion of that motivation in the industry ("Have a Cigar" is exactly about this). Also, Pink Floyd owns their music. This was to pave way for a 5 year distribution contract, as the previous one (from '99 I believe) expired.

    1. Re:It's quite obvious.... by chemicaldave · · Score: 1

      If they own their music then there shouldn't have been so much hesitation about it. Obviously they don't have to worry about money, but that shouldn't prevent them from releasing individual songs. And while Pink Floyd is best listened to as an album, those days are over. Besides, there are plenty of people who only want a few songs and don't want to payout for extra.

  68. HEY !! BY THE WAY, WHICH ONE IS PINK ?? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Money, it's a drag ??

    Goddamn it Roger, ... Roger ?? Really ?? No wonder Syd went bonkers !!

  69. Everyone under 30, please STFU by GPLDAN · · Score: 1

    Floyd are whores, Gilmour is a whore - Waters is out whoring his whore ass doing the Wall again and again, which he retained the rights to in his lawsuit over the Floyd name.


    Do you guys KNOW how many greatest hit records there are of Floyd that ALREADY break their shit up?

    http://www.amazon.com/Echoes-Best-Pink-Floyd/dp/B00005QDW5

    There's one for you. There are PLENTY of others.

    And only Dark Side and Animals and the Wall can be considered concept albums. EVERYTHING pre-DSOM (and that is a LOT) going back to Saucerful of Secrets are just a collection of individual songs ANYHOW.

    Really - nothing to see here. Just a bunch of grey old sods selling out what they already sold out for more pension money. And maybe a new 458 Italia for Mason. this one in yellow, perhaps....

    1. Re:Everyone under 30, please STFU by Nyder · · Score: 2

      Floyd are whores, Gilmour is a whore - Waters is out whoring his whore ass doing the Wall again and again, which he retained the rights to in his lawsuit over the Floyd name....

      Which one is Pink?

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    2. Re:Everyone under 30, please STFU by mcgrew · · Score: 1

      Umma Gumma, Atom Heart Mother, Meddle (actually two works; side one, and Echoes). The first two albums were, as you say, collections of singles.

      Wikipedia says there were 26 singles altogether.

  70. I ahte to break up the myth for some old people by geekoid · · Score: 1

    but stop thinking that back in your day,all the music was great, and now all the music sucks.

    Even in your day(which would probably qualify in my day as well) most albums and singles where crap. A few exception. Just like today. There was nothing unique about 1979. And yeah, I remember when the Wall came out, and it was awesome.

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    1. Re:I ahte to break up the myth for some old people by tompaulco · · Score: 1

      One would think so, and yet there has not been a next "Dark Side of the Moon" or a next "The Wall" in any generation since those two came out.

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  71. no need to spend money by Nyder · · Score: 1

    I'm sure, everyone that is a Floyd fan already owns the CD's and have ripped them already to the digital format (free of drm!) already.

    I sort of find it funny some old artists resist the digital downloads, because if they take too long, peeps are going to get them anyways, and not need to buy them if they ever give the okay.

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    1. Re:no need to spend money by tompaulco · · Score: 1

      It is not about the availability of digital downloads, but about the availability of single track digital downloads. Which is kind of pointless in Pink Floyd's case. I mean, every single song is good, and most of them are meant to be played as an album so why would you buy single tracks?

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  72. Floyd gave it up ages ago. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Which might have been true, except that the Floyd already have 2 compilation albums that cut up those end to end consistent experiences.

  73. Did this... by archer,+the · · Score: 1

    Purchased the MP3s from a popular site. Converted to raw audio ("lame --decode -t [files]"). "cat eclipse.raw >> brain_damage.raw". Convert back to MP3.

  74. I've been waiting for this day to come by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Finally, I can listen to Pink Floyd on my iPod!

  75. Angus? Malcolm? by I_M_Noman · · Score: 1

    You reading this, AC/DC?

  76. Re:Songs played as singles on the radio all the ti by shish · · Score: 1

    When they were getting started, the choice was chop up for radio or don't get signed at all -- it's only now that they're famous that they have the power to do what they always wanted to without being trampled.

    (And a theoretical afterthought -- would you make every decision today the same way you made it 40 years ago?)

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  77. Welcome to the Machine by multipartmixed · · Score: 1

    PF has never refused to do iTunes.

    What they have historically done is refused to do *SINGLES*, including single-track downloads on iTunes.

    When these albums were recorded, they wanted you to listen to the whole thing, not just a piece.

    And man, you should. Pink Floyd just doesn't make music that's meant to be listened to in 3.5 minute increments.

     

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  78. Half a century old works by devent · · Score: 1

    Pink Floyd's works are now over 40 years old. Why does anyone have still any rights to it, why are the rights not expired by now? The fans paid the artistic work million times by now, the band is more then enough compensated. Why is the music not in public domain and can be performed by anyone and sold by everyone.

    Fuck Pink Floyd and fuck the EMI. How does we get there that we arguing about almost half a century old works? In the era of digital age where technology is going faster then ever, works can be distributed with light speed across the world with no cost and we have the most richest culture ever.

    While the top 1% of artists are sitting on their past works, the bottom 99% are needing a real job to get some food on their table.

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    1. Re:Half a century old works by tompaulco · · Score: 1

      If you wrote a song, why should you ever have to give it up? I mean, I could see after you are dead and gone that your family shouldn't still get to benefit from it, since they didn't do anything other than be lucky enough to be related. But these guys are still alive, still play music and are still amazingly talented.
      Yes, I know 99% of musicians don't ever make it big. 98% of musicians shouldn't be musicians at all. At least, not as a job. I am a musician, but I don't get paid for it. I don't solicit pay for being a musician either. I am not star quality. Neither are 98% of the people out there complaining that they don't get paid for their music. I don't begrudge Pink Floyd their millions because I recognize that their talent is basically one in a million. People who are one in a million at what they do deserve to get paid well.

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    2. Re:Half a century old works by devent · · Score: 2

      The real question is why you have the right to take the right away from me to copy your work? If you don't want to give it up, you should never perform it. But since you performed it, why should I'm not be able to copy your work? I'm not stealing anything from you, you shared it with me. But after you shared it with me, you turn around and forbid me to copy and modify your work or share the copy with others.

      It's like a carpenter forbidding me to make a copy of his chair after he shows me the char. Where does this moral came from?

      Only because with the new technology innovation that I can copy and share your work perfectly to others you try to label me as a thief or pirate. Why you don't share it with others so I don't have to?

      Don't try to make copyright any special right that belongs to you as a human right.

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    3. Re:Half a century old works by 91degrees · · Score: 1

      Because you've sold it.

      Copyright is somewhat unusual in that it allows you to sell a song several times. There are good reasons for this. Copyright exists as a means of practicality. By offering the creator the exclusive right to sell copies, he can make a living by producing music (or anything else covered by copyright). This is seen as a social benefit. But it exists for practical purpose, not moral purposes. The creator has no moral right to exclusivity. The only moral right they have is that society applies the law to back up the agreement it implictly made when the work was created.

    4. Re:Half a century old works by tompaulco · · Score: 1

      You have the right to play the work, you just have to pay royalties.
      I don't understand the carpenter example. Of course I would expect a carpenter to tell you you can't copy his work that is how he makes a living. The same thing as a musician. They make their living by writing and performing songs. How can you expect them to stop accepting money for writing a song and instead let someone who didn't write it accept it?

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  79. Wouldn't it be funny... by Chordonblue · · Score: 1

    ...if the Floyd decided to release their albums... As ONE track? Ahahahaha!

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  80. They call it "riding the gravy train" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    They call it "riding the gravy train"

  81. Pink Floyd is singular... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Pink Floyd is singular. Have / has... give / gives...

    1. Re:Pink Floyd is singular... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Wrong. Come back once you have read something about the differences between UK and American grammar.

  82. Re:i so don't care by DeathElk · · Score: 1

    Man, I was THERE! It was awesome.

  83. Led Zeppelin? by KingAlanI · · Score: 1

    (there's a lady that's sure that) all that glitters (is gold), you mean?

    Yep, you can buy Stairway individually.

    Led Zeppelin's catalogue did indeed already end up available as single tracks, at least in conjunction with the November 2007 release of the Mothership greatest hits compilation.

    Checking Amazon MP3, Achilles Last Stand, In My Time Of Dying and Carouselambra are the only album-only tracks from the various albums they appear on, and I think that's the case on iTunes as well.

    When the Beatles stuff hit iTunes, I think that was all available as single tracks.

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  84. Albums versus single songs by KingAlanI · · Score: 1

    Maybe so; I've long since seen albums as a collection of songs, even many of those known as concept albums. (granted, things like Sgt. Pepper are at least a collection of really good songs.)
    Granted, I'm a youngster.

    However, there can be a different effect from listening to the whole album in order, even of many of the songs can stand alone.

    I never really got Dark Side Of The Moon [even listening to it in sequence], and I just have The Wall mixed in on shuffle. Hmm, listening idea...

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    1. Re:Albums versus single songs by Atzanteol · · Score: 1

      Listening to The Wall on shuffle? Isn't that like watching a movie out-of-order? Did you even realize that the music at the beginning of the first track matches the music at the end of the last track and that Comfortably Numb is the only track without a lead-in (including the first track given that the last track if played on a loop leads into the first track)?

      This is what Waters was worried about. All the care they put into the *album* is ignored for the individual tracks.

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    2. Re:Albums versus single songs by KingAlanI · · Score: 1

      what I meant by "Hmm, listening idea" was to recognize that and play it all the way through, "the way nature intended", next time I decide to play a whole album. I recognize from experience that most of The Wall doesn't work well by itself.

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    3. Re:Albums versus single songs by Tink2000 · · Score: 1

      How to "get" DSotM:
      Side 1 (Breathe through Great Gig in the Sky) is about the cycle of life.
      Side 2 (Money through Eclipse) is about what happens during the cycle of life.

    4. Re:Albums versus single songs by KingAlanI · · Score: 1

      hmm, never heard that before - will consider it next time I listen to DSOTM (clarifying which songs were involved helped - I can see it even in the song titles; naming the songs helps also since I have it but not on vinyl.)

      +1 Interesting to you.

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  85. Mechanical license by KingAlanI · · Score: 2

    "mechanical license" is the name for the concept mentioned by some sibling posts: once the song's been released, you can get rights to cover the song by just paying the rate set by law once you notify the song publisher.
    (9.1c plus 1.7c for each minute or partial minute above 5 when selling recordings, AFAIK)

    This is in the hands of the publisher (or ASCAP,BMI or some group like them); Pink Floyd may have ceded some rights over the songwriting itself to them.

    You can agree to other terms with the rightsholders, of course.

    The compulsory license is a useful limit on copyright-law monopoly abuse, as well as Campbell vs. Acuff Rose [that parody case also clearly adds free-speech issues into the mix.]

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  86. Another Led Zeppelin analogy by KingAlanI · · Score: 1

    Led Zeppelin also had a dismissive attitude to singles, yet still put out a few. [Perhaps compromising with _their_ label?] (Some Zeppelin songs were short enough to fit on a 45; they refused to shorten the longer songs)

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  87. Re:i so don't care by linguizic · · Score: 1

    15 years, that's incredible. No one else comes close!

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  88. True but that's not DRM by SuperKendall · · Score: 1

    Yes Apple does add info about the buyer in its tags.

    True enough, but that is in no way DRM because it does not affect at all how you can use the file.

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  89. Rock Band or GH??? by Halo5 · · Score: 1

    How about some Rock Band or GH now??? I've been waiting for this FOREVER!!! Esp. the guitar part. Imagine DSOTM and The Wall on Guitar Hero. This =s awesome...

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  90. axe by Arlet · · Score: 1

    "Careful with that axe, EMI"

  91. Remember when you were young... by digitaldc · · Score: 1

    Everyone has already downloaded Pink Floyd's entire discography already.

    Personally I have bought several of their albums and tapes, so they made money off me already. Roger Waters and Dave Gilmour should be knighted.

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  92. Missed one by ThatsNotPudding · · Score: 1

    should have worked 'Digging for gold in the hole in your hand" in there somewhere.

    1. Re:Missed one by Tink2000 · · Score: 1

      That's called "San Tropez." I was actually hoping for "Point Me At The Sky" in there somewhere.

    2. Re:Missed one by kimvette · · Score: 1

      I also forgot to use anything from More. :(

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  93. Wish you were here by p51d007 · · Score: 1

    Kind of stupid, since the album "Wish you were here" (my favorite), some of the tracks blend into one another. Same with a lot of PF albums. But, I guess they can make more money selling track at a time, opposed to the entire album.

  94. Um, yeah... by sootman · · Score: 1

    "Now, though they've given in to the Man, and the likes of Money, Shine on you Crazy Diamond and Comfortably Numb will soon no doubt be available as 99p downloads on iTunes."

    Erm, I've been hearing those songs individually on the RADIO for DECADES.

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  95. iTunes are the opiates of the (m)asses by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Someone gave me an iPod a year ago. I noticed the unopened box sitting on a shelf. I also have every CD (twice over, as I bought them all individually and then was given a box set) plus the original LPs. They are infinitely enjoyable and I listen to the all the time. Perhaps I can re-gift the iPod.

  96. Re:i so don't care by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    And it only fall off because they change the way the list was calculated.

  97. Re:Angus? Malcolm? by mikestew · · Score: 1

    I gave up on AC/DC a while back. No digital downloads, and they have an exclusive deal with WalMart for their recent stuff. Sorry, boys, I don't go to WalMart; too much of a pain to get to even if I wanted. But's there's a Pirate Bay right here in my neighborhood. You can't even download Rock Band tracks. You have to go to WalMart to buy a physical RB disc.

    Thing is, if the AC/DC box set showed on iTunes tomorrow, I'd drop the $149US as fast as I could type my iTunes password. Instead, they haven't seen a dime of my money in over ten years, money I'm more than happy to give them. Maybe they have more business acumen than I'll ever have, but it strikes me as shockingly dumb.

  98. I own Dark Side of the Moon via Amazon MP3 Store by bill_mcgonigle · · Score: 1

    Too lazy to read the story, but I have Dark Side of the Moon on mp3. I got them from Amazon when they were running their Pepsi Points promotion a few years back. Took me a couple months, but I was killing myself (and my bank account) with Diet Pepsi at the time, so every week or so I got a free download and this was the album I chose. In retrospect I should have bought it on CD years ago, but hey, they got a customer.

    Anyway, they just break the tracks where the CD does. Set your playback device for gapless and it works as expected.

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