So according to you criminals should be allowed to get away with crime?
People who run routers really need to start taking responsibility
Do what the ISPs do and keep time stamped logs or face the consequences. This is the same ridiculous mentality that says "Oh, well, he left the keys in the car, so I wasn't really/wrong/ in stealing it". C'mon. Grow up. Just because someone makes an assumption that his community is trustworthy does not make it right to blame the victim when it turns out that he's wrong.
In the installable documentation that comes with Visual Studio, examples for every language are provided in almost every case. But you're changing the focus of your argument - now you're saying they/do/ provide examples, but not in the language you want to see it in. Frankly, if you're not able to look at one language and do a translation into another, perhaps programming isn't the right line of work for you. The documentation isn't about the languages, it's about the framework and how to use it.
(Bah. Can't believe I'm defending.net, but I just want to see it crucified for the right reasons (like Properties).)
yeah, but giving the users the choice, so effectively copying but beating them.
Fair enough; but at the same time you can't really call the interface itself a new feature.
User interface that changes based on where your cursor happens to be is a Bad Idea. Consistency = not having to remember where to find things at any given time.
All the usable buttons are in the same place when their usable, nobody is going to be looking for a P button when they have a table selected so it doesn't matter that they're not there.
I think KDE do some stuff like this but im not sure.
Hmm. I thikn I see what you mean, but I disagree. If I look there one minute and see a series "B I U" buttons, and the next minute I see a "add merge del" - even if I couldn't make use of "B I U" in that context - it's still going to be confusing. The reason is partly because you're putting different things in the same place; but also because it would not be internally consistent. For example if I selected the table, I would see just the table buttons; if I was editing text, I would see the formatting buttons. But if I was editing text within a table, I would need to see both -- and if you're only showing what's usable at any given time,/one/ of the two would have to physically move to do this.
Probably because there are like 10 people who actually need those in real life.
the ability to attach a company logo to a graph would be useful, when doing comparisons.
I don't disagree; but I read your initial list as "these great new features would put OO above what Office can do" - and in such examples as this one, the difference is so marginal that it wouldn't even be something that could be advertised effectively. For all intents and purposes that means that even if it's there, people currently using Office won't ever know about it.
well its up to the browser weather to use the plugin.
True, I just got sidetracked on a tangent;)
This was a joke, right?
Not really, compiz boosted linux adoption, have it optional sure, but if something looks better, people will think it IS better.
And fancy graphics sometimes do useful stuff (fast zooming, color shifting, etc). Flipping pages as a way of changing the page, could allow for the page to look asif it were sitting on top of a stack of pages, giving the user a clear idea of where they are in the document (like desktop cube helps some users have a clear idea of which desktop their on)
Mm. I understand your point, though I don't agree with it. Most of the people I've known who were excited after the newest compiz features came out used it enthusiastically for a week (myself included) then stopped because it wasn't actually serving a/real/ purpose except as a distraction. And I know anecdotal evidence is verboten on/., but I don't know of anyone who was compelled to/try/ Linux because of the eye candy.
Oh do they have inline search (like firefox) yet? Because that's a definite improvement on dialog boxes for find, and even simple replace (and Im sure something could be worked out for the more complex replace options)
Inline would be a nice in some contexts, though it's also confusing if someone isn't looking down at the taskbar. Perhaps best to support both options, and give a "did you know" bubble in the Find dialog the first time it pops up, along with the option to switch styles.
Not really. The majority of people don't use the majority of features in MS Office.
But unless OO has features that people want (or think they want), people will never switch.
I agree; but I think that the underlying problem is that there's very little roo
Couldn't be bothered to click through to the Financial Times article that the above story links to just in case there was additional information. Couldn't be bothered to read your whole comment, so I'll just post here without knowing what you're talking about.
Isn't that about the same as what you posted? For all you know, those articles answered your question...
*A themable interface so it can look like office 07 or pre-07 In other words, copying Office?
*Dynamic toolbars so that when you select a table the top toolbar gains table buttons, but removed non-usable buttons (dims ones that arnt directly to do with tables, like formatting) User interface that changes based on where your cursor happens to be is a Bad Idea. Consistency = not having to remember where to find things at any given time.
*Intelligent, spell checker, for years spell checkers haven't changed, if it picked out words that made sense in the context of the sentence that would be a huge step forwards. Agreed. Also, the ability to add words to the dictionary with one 2 clicks instead of three. (Seriously. Why the hell woudl the user know or care whether it goes to 'sun.dic', 'openoffice.dic' or 'user.dic'?!)
*A more intuitive interface, with pointless effects, yeah people like them. For example turning pages by the corner, dragging text FF3 style, clicking on a small graph to have it expand to full size. This was a joke, right?
*Firefox plugins, so that we can view presentations in browsers. That'd be very cool; and yet also very irritating. I personally hate the way PDF opens in browser, requiring me to go to task manager to kill it if I want my 80MB of memory back. (I've since turned that off...)
*New graph types, we all see statistics abused on TV, why cant we abuse them at home. For example have objects fill up acording to data (by either height or volume), attack logos to lines on graphs Probably because there are like 10 people who actually need those in real life.
Playing catchup with Microsoft (or anybody) is pathetic, if MS office still has more features few people will care that thief docs arnt portable. Not really. The majority of people don't use the majority of features in MS Office.
Perhaps he was thinking of.Net as the asp.net framework; even though the asp.net-specific components are just the tip fo the iceberg (and not the focus of the FA).
I don't know which is worse - the thought that you're making this comment without having read any of the extensive, working examples on the msdn site; or that you did read them and somehow still feel this way..Net has plenty of flaws, but lack of documentation ain't one of 'em.
But the other poster's point is that anybody who's willing to open the device and make a modification already knows they're in unsupported waters. Making it difficult just wastes everyone's time.
Not at all. Of course the people making the hacks know this; but this also means that when people download these things and install them, it's enough of a hassle that they're aware of what they're getting into.
The cases you describe are the very small minority; and IMO the only situation in which downloading music is justifiable, simply because you already/have/ paid for it.
Unfortunately, the majority of people doing this are simply in the school of "I want it now and paying anything is too much." In that case, it really/is/ that simple. The music is not being given away by its creators, or by the people who control the rights to it. It is for sale at a fixed price. Therefore any excuse you come up with to obtain it without paying for it is just an excuse for theft. Never before in history has it been OK to simply take something that was offered for sale if you didn't want to pay for it. All this noise around infinite supply, the bad contracts, the greedy corporations is just that: noise, thin excuses to justify theft.
I love how it was removed from competition for the crime of actually being interesting to watch. Plus, you know, that minor thing where it was an actual danger to the people watching.
I figure when a rabbit is caught in headlights, it has a pretty limited range of thoughts going through its head. You know -- the bunny equivalent of "oh shit", or "the light!". But it seems that Peter Jenner has a deeper understanding of rabbits than I thought possible (from TA):
A lot of people are like rabbits in the headlights: They're terrified they're going to lose their jobs.
If it's not worth buying, do without. That more than anything will spur change; if people keep 'pirating', the industry will keep saying, "WEll clearly it's worth getting, these little thieves just don't want to pay it." And in large part, they'll be right.
I can't answer fully without doing more research than I have time for now, but my understanding is that it was small, independent banks that were the primary cause of the issue; so it's not like they were subsidiaries of larger banks who could simply absorb the losses. (I reserve the right to be misinformed here...)
Did you ever stop and wonder what would have happened if the bailouts had not occurred? That wasn't done to save the banks (because in many cases the banks failed/went out of business), it was done for the customers of the banks and the economy as a whole. The potential sub prime mortgage bailout... well, hopefully it won't happen, as it was brought about primarily through customer 'want it now' mentality.
True that. Still... I'm watching the company I work for pay for thousands and thousands of WYSE terminals at $300 a pop, and I have to assume that here isn't the only place doing this.
Most imaginative people seem to share a certain prickly independence, whenever and wherever they lived. Of course the problem with the web is that the same statement can be applied to every ignorant loud-mouthed individual with a keyboard and dialup.
Prices for these usable machines seem to start at ~150USD. I don't understand, then, why I/still/ can't find a sub-100USD thin client device with VGA out, understands X11, WiFi and has USB inputs for keyboard/mouse. These seem to start at $250, with $400-500 being more common -- especially among those that can connect to an X11 server. Given that they surely can't be cheaper to make than a fully functional mini-laptop with HDD, why the hell don't they exist?
The only references I've seen to them selling out are in the online stores, not physical. Physical stores came/close/ to selling out leading up to Christmas due to limited initial shipments, but I suspect that trend did not continue - or they would not be discontinuing the item. I think it extremely unlikely that there are throngs of people waiting to buy linux PCs in the stores, and simply requiring too much time of the poor, beleaguered employees. On the other hand, that mental image is good for a chuckle -- given the stereotypes that are often applied to walmart shoppers.
The market will fix the problem. No need for special legislation or guest workers. I've got to play devil's advocate here, because I am painfully familiar with both sides of this issue through my personal experience. Is it not accurate to say that the market is fixing the problem? People willing to work for the wages currently offered are finding employment. From a global business perspective, lobbying for additional visas only does away with an artificial restriction on the worker pool, does it not?
We don't have a special/right/ to the jobs here; and "globalization of the economy" is serving to drive that home.
. Frankly, I find the quality of work that my present company receives from offshore to be abysmal -- which is the other side of this coin. Somewhere between the low-mid quality, underpriced work that most offshore companies (and contractors brought in from overseas) provide; and the mid-high quality, overpriced work that most onshore employees and contractors provide, there's a happy medium.
The process of finding that is a painful and expensive one for everyone.
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People who run routers really need to start taking responsibility
Do what the ISPs do and keep time stamped logs or face the consequences. This is the same ridiculous mentality that says "Oh, well, he left the keys in the car, so I wasn't really
How for their own good? They're certainly not going to start failing any time soon if they don't begin doing it.
Actually, that'd be pretty damned cool.
In the installable documentation that comes with Visual Studio, examples for every language are provided in almost every case. But you're changing the focus of your argument - now you're saying they /do/ provide examples, but not in the language you want to see it in. Frankly, if you're not able to look at one language and do a translation into another, perhaps programming isn't the right line of work for you. The documentation isn't about the languages, it's about the framework and how to use it.
(Bah. Can't believe I'm defending .net, but I just want to see it crucified for the right reasons (like Properties).)
In other words, copying Office?
yeah, but giving the users the choice, so effectively copying but beating them.
Fair enough; but at the same time you can't really call the interface itself a new feature.
User interface that changes based on where your cursor happens to be is a Bad Idea. Consistency = not having to remember where to find things at any given time.
All the usable buttons are in the same place when their usable, nobody is going to be looking for a P button when they have a table selected so it doesn't matter that they're not there.
I think KDE do some stuff like this but im not sure.
Hmm. I thikn I see what you mean, but I disagree. If I look there one minute and see a series "B I U" buttons, and the next minute I see a "add merge del" - even if I couldn't make use of "B I U" in that context - it's still going to be confusing. The reason is partly because you're putting different things in the same place; but also because it would not be internally consistent. For example if I selected the table, I would see just the table buttons; if I was editing text, I would see the formatting buttons. But if I was editing text within a table, I would need to see both -- and if you're only showing what's usable at any given time, /one/ of the two would have to physically move to do this.
Probably because there are like 10 people who actually need those in real life.
the ability to attach a company logo to a graph would be useful, when doing comparisons.
I don't disagree; but I read your initial list as "these great new features would put OO above what Office can do" - and in such examples as this one, the difference is so marginal that it wouldn't even be something that could be advertised effectively. For all intents and purposes that means that even if it's there, people currently using Office won't ever know about it.
well its up to the browser weather to use the plugin.
True, I just got sidetracked on a tangent ;)
This was a joke, right?
Not really, compiz boosted linux adoption, have it optional sure, but if something looks better, people will think it IS better.
And fancy graphics sometimes do useful stuff (fast zooming, color shifting, etc). Flipping pages as a way of changing the page, could allow for the page to look asif it were sitting on top of a stack of pages, giving the user a clear idea of where they are in the document (like desktop cube helps some users have a clear idea of which desktop their on)
Mm. I understand your point, though I don't agree with it. Most of the people I've known who were excited after the newest compiz features came out used it enthusiastically for a week (myself included) then stopped because it wasn't actually serving a /real/ purpose except as a distraction. And I know anecdotal evidence is verboten on /., but I don't know of anyone who was compelled to /try/ Linux because of the eye candy.
Oh do they have inline search (like firefox) yet? Because that's a definite improvement on dialog boxes for find, and even simple replace (and Im sure something could be worked out for the more complex replace options)
Inline would be a nice in some contexts, though it's also confusing if someone isn't looking down at the taskbar. Perhaps best to support both options, and give a "did you know" bubble in the Find dialog the first time it pops up, along with the option to switch styles.
Not really. The majority of people don't use the majority of features in MS Office.
But unless OO has features that people want (or think they want), people will never switch.
I agree; but I think that the underlying problem is that there's very little roo
Isn't that about the same as what you posted? For all you know, those articles answered your question...
Perhaps he was thinking of .Net as the asp.net framework; even though the asp.net-specific components are just the tip fo the iceberg (and not the focus of the FA).
I don't know which is worse - the thought that you're making this comment without having read any of the extensive, working examples on the msdn site; or that you did read them and somehow still feel this way. .Net has plenty of flaws, but lack of documentation ain't one of 'em.
But the other poster's point is that anybody who's willing to open the device and make a modification already knows they're in unsupported waters. Making it difficult just wastes everyone's time.
Not at all. Of course the people making the hacks know this; but this also means that when people download these things and install them, it's enough of a hassle that they're aware of what they're getting into.The cases you describe are the very small minority; and IMO the only situation in which downloading music is justifiable, simply because you already /have/ paid for it.
Unfortunately, the majority of people doing this are simply in the school of "I want it now and paying anything is too much." In that case, it really /is/ that simple. The music is not being given away by its creators, or by the people who control the rights to it. It is for sale at a fixed price. Therefore any excuse you come up with to obtain it without paying for it is just an excuse for theft. Never before in history has it been OK to simply take something that was offered for sale if you didn't want to pay for it. All this noise around infinite supply, the bad contracts, the greedy corporations is just that: noise, thin excuses to justify theft.
If it's not worth buying, do without. That more than anything will spur change; if people keep 'pirating', the industry will keep saying, "WEll clearly it's worth getting, these little thieves just don't want to pay it." And in large part, they'll be right.
I can't answer fully without doing more research than I have time for now, but my understanding is that it was small, independent banks that were the primary cause of the issue; so it's not like they were subsidiaries of larger banks who could simply absorb the losses. (I reserve the right to be misinformed here...)
Then why is it worth pirating?
Did you ever stop and wonder what would have happened if the bailouts had not occurred? That wasn't done to save the banks (because in many cases the banks failed/went out of business), it was done for the customers of the banks and the economy as a whole. The potential sub prime mortgage bailout... well, hopefully it won't happen, as it was brought about primarily through customer 'want it now' mentality.
True that. Still... I'm watching the company I work for pay for thousands and thousands of WYSE terminals at $300 a pop, and I have to assume that here isn't the only place doing this.
Prices for these usable machines seem to start at ~150USD. I don't understand, then, why I /still/ can't find a sub-100USD thin client device with VGA out, understands X11, WiFi and has USB inputs for keyboard/mouse. These seem to start at $250, with $400-500 being more common -- especially among those that can connect to an X11 server. Given that they surely can't be cheaper to make than a fully functional mini-laptop with HDD, why the hell don't they exist?
The only references I've seen to them selling out are in the online stores, not physical. Physical stores came /close/ to selling out leading up to Christmas due to limited initial shipments, but I suspect that trend did not continue - or they would not be discontinuing the item. I think it extremely unlikely that there are throngs of people waiting to buy linux PCs in the stores, and simply requiring too much time of the poor, beleaguered employees. On the other hand, that mental image is good for a chuckle -- given the stereotypes that are often applied to walmart shoppers.
The market will fix the problem. No need for special legislation or guest workers.
I've got to play devil's advocate here, because I am painfully familiar with both sides of this issue through my personal experience. Is it not accurate to say that the market is fixing the problem? People willing to work for the wages currently offered are finding employment. From a global business perspective, lobbying for additional visas only does away with an artificial restriction on the worker pool, does it not?
We don't have a special /right/ to the jobs here; and "globalization of the economy" is serving to drive that home.
. Frankly, I find the quality of work that my present company receives from offshore to be abysmal -- which is the other side of this coin. Somewhere between the low-mid quality, underpriced work that most offshore companies (and contractors brought in from overseas) provide; and the mid-high quality, overpriced work that most onshore employees and contractors provide, there's a happy medium.
The process of finding that is a painful and expensive one for everyone.