Well if the evidence is so overwhelming then it shouldn't be a problem for it all to be presented in court, under the threat of perjury, and be evaluated in the light of day. And the thought that scientific conclusions couldn't be understood by a mere judge is about the most pompous, egotistical thing I've heard. It would be hard to take any profession seriously if they constantly thought all others were beneath them intellectually.
Except that saying CO2 levels increasing is about as vague as it gets and nebulous regarding real world effects. So let's say it's increasing, is it really caused by man? Is it really causing global warming or is it some other factor(s)? This list of questions that I don't believe can be proven in a complex system like that (not with our minuscule level of knowledge anyway) is endless.
I assume that you are focused solely on a feature count, and not the ease of use for the customer? Those phones all have crappy UIs. I'm sorry, but you can pack a phone with features but if the UI sucks then people will only use a fraction of those features. A huge reason the iPhone is so successful is UI, it's a joy to use.
Maybe there IS something to the user friendly interface that resonates with consumers? . . . . . Maybe the feature counting "experts" weren't so smart after all. . .
If they have nothing to hide then what is the problem? Law enforcement seems perfectly willing to use that line on everyone else so they should be comfortable living under the same umbrella.
Yes, I know, the family thing is out of bounds, but the reality is she was arrested because they were trying to intimidate her into stopping everything. Family info or not, they don't want anyone watching them.
And to make the analogy complete I'd pull the gun I was allowed to carry on me all the time and force you to do whatever I say and then arrest you if you "resist".
I'll agree that posting pictures of family or posting the home address is not something I'd like either, but do you honestly believe that is why she was arrested? She was arrested to "make a point" and try and scare her into stopping her blog.
Cut fares by up to 30%? If you believe that then you obviously haven't been introduced to the major airlines. They don't cut fares to do anyone any favors, they only cut fares when they are forced to.
I agree with you. The line you quoted sounded like esoteric bullshit to me too. But if it makes you feel any better, I think your post had a much more organic and creative vibe than the original.
I'll grant that my question was part sarcasm, but it was part serious too. You sound like you have a better handle on what it takes to be a good manager than most people I've worked for/with in my life. Many of them seem to have sneaked in the managerial door either through low quality candidates to choose from (could be a bad hiring manager on that too) or simply repeating the company slogans until they got promoted. Most that I've seen don't have any greater skill-set than the average person (hence my sarcasm in my question) but I will say that I've had one or two that really did stand out.
"Their average day may not differ much from that of their direct reports, but they get the salary bump for other reasons, which you will figure out if you are in one of these positions for long."
- What are the other reasons? Maybe you could enlighten the rest of us, because I've never been able to figure it out.
"Here's a simple thought experiment: If Evolution is false, what created swine flu? The only other possible explanation is that God is a dick, and I don't believe that."
- I'm not going to get into a drawn out thing on this, but your thought experiment could have started on your side before posting that question. Since ID people believe in the Bible (generally) then there are TWO major players in that book. God and Satan. I could easily answer Satan and the question is answered.
To be honest, I don't think you care what they answer, you're going to ridicule them anyway. I think that is probably what makes you just as difficult to take as an ID proponent who belittle's others. Neither side is productive when they come to the table with that attitude.
1. Ummm...you should read closer. According to the iPeople every Apple's OS' is perfect.
- I haven't ever seen anyone say this.
2. Ummm...you should read closer. No virus'. (LOL)
- There is NO virus for OS X
3. Unless it is jumping to 11, I consider it a service pack. Apple does charge for them. You know all the cute animals. (Yes I know this is a 10.5.X->10.5.Y jump but it still works)
- 10.5.7 to 10.5.8 is the OS X equivalent to an MS service pack, and it's free. 10.6 will be a major release and they will charge for that.
4. Cookies are the devil's currency! I will not burn in hell over a cookie!
1. Every Apple OS is perfect first try. Why the need for an update? - I've never heard anyone say this. On Slashdot or off. 2. Security patches. Apple has no security issues, ever. Why the need for an update? - Never heard anyone say this either. I've heard people say (accurately) that their is no virus for OS X, but never that there are no security issues. 3. Shouldn't Apple charge for this? Like they do with their other service packs. - Which service pack exactly? 10.5.6? 10.5.3? I didn't get charged for any of those. Which one did you get charged for? 4. Why does this not have a cute animal name? - You're right, that one was jut funny.
If you don't have an understanding of Apple then why bother commenting? Your comments above showed you're so ignorant about the platform that you can't even make an intelligent sarcastic joke about it without screwing it up.
"Where those with political/religious motivations have problems is:"
To make a few points of my own in response to yours.
- The fact that someone has political/religious motivations does not make them incorrect (nor does it make them right either) - Taking those motivations out of the discussion for a moment, there is still plenty of reason to doubt our level of understanding of the world around us. Simple observation over a period of years makes it pretty obvious that some mainstream supported conclusions end up getting reversed as something new is discovered. The disingenuous scientists will say this doesn't mean anyone was wrong, only that more evidence changed the conclusions, but I guess that's what the rest of the world calls "wrong".
My personal belief is we don't know as much about those things as we think we do. This phenomenon has been seen time and time again for hundreds if not thousands of years. Mankind is sure it is so enlightened throughout the ages only to find out we weren't as smart as we thought.
The method may be fine. The method may be open to testing falsifiable hypothesis. The flaw in the system is that the method is utilized by people. By that I mean the method may be sound, but it's only as good as the person wielding the method. The same dogma you seem to condemn is what I see by some (not all) scientists lately, especially in the area of global warming. It's the dogma that they can't be wrong, and anyone who questions them isn't qualified, doesn't understand science, or doesn't understand the scientific method. Science is becoming a religion unto itself because of the arrogance of some of the practitioners. That doesn't mean I am anti-science, that science can't be trusted, or I am hiding my head in the sand. I just think we have a only the beginnings of understanding how the world around us works and interacts, and the new priesthood of arrogant scientists does not tolerate dissent. I know you meant religious dogma in your reply, but keep in mind that scientists are just as human and fallible and susceptible to their own self serving dogma and someone who disagrees with you based on religious dogma.
I know this is going to piss some folks off, but it's stuff like this that makes me question if mankind is really as smart and enlightened as we like to think we are. Here is a human organ that we obviously don't fully understand. We thought we had a good understanding of its function, but apparently there are deeper secrets and interactions than we were aware of. No big deal, I'm fine with that. The problem I have is that in some areas (global warming comes to mind) scientists again think they understand something very well, and "the evidence is all in" and "no reasonable thinking person could dispute the evidence" and yet I am wary of the certainty of modern science. I'm not living in a cave and performing human sacrifice, I just have a healthy (I think) skepticism of the certainty of scientists. I think we have some understanding of how the world around us works, but we are nowhere close to the big picture.
I know this is a broad conclusion to draw from a story like this, but it just reinforced something I've noticed over the last 10 or so years. That we (mankind) seem to be constantly finding out that our understanding of a particular topic is not as complete as we thought. I'm sure that might rankle some scientists who don't approve of any dissenting opinions, but to believe we have much more than a 50/50 understanding of the world that surrounds us seems somewhat arrogant.
So, flame on. Just a thought. Regarding this article specifically, I think it's amazing how complex the human body is and how many more amazing things we'll find out in the future. I think we only have a sliver of understanding of the complexities involved in our own bodies. It's amazing that something that complex can function as well as it does.
Is this like the Vista licenses that weren't actually Vista, but were in reality XP but were counted as Vista licenses?
Aside from that credibility gap in anything MS reports, selling a lot of licenses does not make it a good OS, nor does it make it anything more than a Vista service pack. It's smoke and mirrors to get away from the Vista brand that is associated with failure.
Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me. No thanks, not going back to Winblows after all the false hype of Vista. They blew their credibility budget there. Win 7 is nothing but warmed over Vista released quickly to get rid of the negatively charged Vista product reputation.
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Well if the evidence is so overwhelming then it shouldn't be a problem for it all to be presented in court, under the threat of perjury, and be evaluated in the light of day. And the thought that scientific conclusions couldn't be understood by a mere judge is about the most pompous, egotistical thing I've heard. It would be hard to take any profession seriously if they constantly thought all others were beneath them intellectually.
Except that saying CO2 levels increasing is about as vague as it gets and nebulous regarding real world effects. So let's say it's increasing, is it really caused by man? Is it really causing global warming or is it some other factor(s)? This list of questions that I don't believe can be proven in a complex system like that (not with our minuscule level of knowledge anyway) is endless.
There's actually 3 factions. The third is the faction of people who point out how many factions there are for a topic. . .
Sorry, couldn't resist.
Much like Apple.
I assume that you are focused solely on a feature count, and not the ease of use for the customer? Those phones all have crappy UIs. I'm sorry, but you can pack a phone with features but if the UI sucks then people will only use a fraction of those features. A huge reason the iPhone is so successful is UI, it's a joy to use.
Maybe there IS something to the user friendly interface that resonates with consumers? . . . . . Maybe the feature counting "experts" weren't so smart after all. . .
If they have nothing to hide then what is the problem? Law enforcement seems perfectly willing to use that line on everyone else so they should be comfortable living under the same umbrella.
Yes, I know, the family thing is out of bounds, but the reality is she was arrested because they were trying to intimidate her into stopping everything. Family info or not, they don't want anyone watching them.
Isn't this what law enforcement is allowed to do already? Do anything with impunity? Why is it okay for a cop to do it and not a citizen?
And to make the analogy complete I'd pull the gun I was allowed to carry on me all the time and force you to do whatever I say and then arrest you if you "resist". I'll agree that posting pictures of family or posting the home address is not something I'd like either, but do you honestly believe that is why she was arrested? She was arrested to "make a point" and try and scare her into stopping her blog.
Cut fares by up to 30%? If you believe that then you obviously haven't been introduced to the major airlines. They don't cut fares to do anyone any favors, they only cut fares when they are forced to.
I agree with you. The line you quoted sounded like esoteric bullshit to me too. But if it makes you feel any better, I think your post had a much more organic and creative vibe than the original.
I'll grant that my question was part sarcasm, but it was part serious too. You sound like you have a better handle on what it takes to be a good manager than most people I've worked for/with in my life. Many of them seem to have sneaked in the managerial door either through low quality candidates to choose from (could be a bad hiring manager on that too) or simply repeating the company slogans until they got promoted. Most that I've seen don't have any greater skill-set than the average person (hence my sarcasm in my question) but I will say that I've had one or two that really did stand out.
"Their average day may not differ much from that of their direct reports, but they get the salary bump for other reasons, which you will figure out if you are in one of these positions for long."
- What are the other reasons? Maybe you could enlighten the rest of us, because I've never been able to figure it out.
said the lowly subject He created. . . .
"Here's a simple thought experiment: If Evolution is false, what created swine flu? The only other possible explanation is that God is a dick, and I don't believe that."
- I'm not going to get into a drawn out thing on this, but your thought experiment could have started on your side before posting that question. Since ID people believe in the Bible (generally) then there are TWO major players in that book. God and Satan. I could easily answer Satan and the question is answered.
To be honest, I don't think you care what they answer, you're going to ridicule them anyway. I think that is probably what makes you just as difficult to take as an ID proponent who belittle's others. Neither side is productive when they come to the table with that attitude.
1. Ummm...you should read closer. According to the iPeople every Apple's OS' is perfect. - I haven't ever seen anyone say this. 2. Ummm...you should read closer. No virus'. (LOL) - There is NO virus for OS X 3. Unless it is jumping to 11, I consider it a service pack. Apple does charge for them. You know all the cute animals. (Yes I know this is a 10.5.X->10.5.Y jump but it still works) - 10.5.7 to 10.5.8 is the OS X equivalent to an MS service pack, and it's free. 10.6 will be a major release and they will charge for that. 4. Cookies are the devil's currency! I will not burn in hell over a cookie!
Here you go:
1. Every Apple OS is perfect first try. Why the need for an update?
- I've never heard anyone say this. On Slashdot or off.
2. Security patches. Apple has no security issues, ever. Why the need for an update?
- Never heard anyone say this either. I've heard people say (accurately) that their is no virus for OS X, but never that there are no security issues.
3. Shouldn't Apple charge for this? Like they do with their other service packs.
- Which service pack exactly? 10.5.6? 10.5.3? I didn't get charged for any of those. Which one did you get charged for?
4. Why does this not have a cute animal name?
- You're right, that one was jut funny.
Wow, and you used a Mac all that time and you still got it wrong. So aside from those pesky detail you are spot on.
If you don't have an understanding of Apple then why bother commenting? Your comments above showed you're so ignorant about the platform that you can't even make an intelligent sarcastic joke about it without screwing it up.
"Where those with political/religious motivations have problems is:"
To make a few points of my own in response to yours.
- The fact that someone has political/religious motivations does not make them incorrect (nor does it make them right either)
- Taking those motivations out of the discussion for a moment, there is still plenty of reason to doubt our level of understanding of the world around us. Simple observation over a period of years makes it pretty obvious that some mainstream supported conclusions end up getting reversed as something new is discovered. The disingenuous scientists will say this doesn't mean anyone was wrong, only that more evidence changed the conclusions, but I guess that's what the rest of the world calls "wrong".
My personal belief is we don't know as much about those things as we think we do. This phenomenon has been seen time and time again for hundreds if not thousands of years. Mankind is sure it is so enlightened throughout the ages only to find out we weren't as smart as we thought.
The method may be fine. The method may be open to testing falsifiable hypothesis. The flaw in the system is that the method is utilized by people. By that I mean the method may be sound, but it's only as good as the person wielding the method. The same dogma you seem to condemn is what I see by some (not all) scientists lately, especially in the area of global warming. It's the dogma that they can't be wrong, and anyone who questions them isn't qualified, doesn't understand science, or doesn't understand the scientific method. Science is becoming a religion unto itself because of the arrogance of some of the practitioners. That doesn't mean I am anti-science, that science can't be trusted, or I am hiding my head in the sand. I just think we have a only the beginnings of understanding how the world around us works and interacts, and the new priesthood of arrogant scientists does not tolerate dissent. I know you meant religious dogma in your reply, but keep in mind that scientists are just as human and fallible and susceptible to their own self serving dogma and someone who disagrees with you based on religious dogma.
I know this is going to piss some folks off, but it's stuff like this that makes me question if mankind is really as smart and enlightened as we like to think we are. Here is a human organ that we obviously don't fully understand. We thought we had a good understanding of its function, but apparently there are deeper secrets and interactions than we were aware of. No big deal, I'm fine with that. The problem I have is that in some areas (global warming comes to mind) scientists again think they understand something very well, and "the evidence is all in" and "no reasonable thinking person could dispute the evidence" and yet I am wary of the certainty of modern science. I'm not living in a cave and performing human sacrifice, I just have a healthy (I think) skepticism of the certainty of scientists. I think we have some understanding of how the world around us works, but we are nowhere close to the big picture.
I know this is a broad conclusion to draw from a story like this, but it just reinforced something I've noticed over the last 10 or so years. That we (mankind) seem to be constantly finding out that our understanding of a particular topic is not as complete as we thought. I'm sure that might rankle some scientists who don't approve of any dissenting opinions, but to believe we have much more than a 50/50 understanding of the world that surrounds us seems somewhat arrogant.
So, flame on. Just a thought. Regarding this article specifically, I think it's amazing how complex the human body is and how many more amazing things we'll find out in the future. I think we only have a sliver of understanding of the complexities involved in our own bodies. It's amazing that something that complex can function as well as it does.
Is this like the Vista licenses that weren't actually Vista, but were in reality XP but were counted as Vista licenses?
Aside from that credibility gap in anything MS reports, selling a lot of licenses does not make it a good OS, nor does it make it anything more than a Vista service pack. It's smoke and mirrors to get away from the Vista brand that is associated with failure.
Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me. No thanks, not going back to Winblows after all the false hype of Vista. They blew their credibility budget there. Win 7 is nothing but warmed over Vista released quickly to get rid of the negatively charged Vista product reputation.