You people seem to keep forgetting one minor detail
We're not forgetting that. It's irrelevant. What's relevant is that various folks (e.g., me) think that your position is stupid and gives the Linux community a bad name. To which opinion they, er, we have just as much right as you have excluding people that use IEeeeeeee.
What's relevant is that you seem to think that if somebody uses IEeeee, then that magically excludes them from "The Linux Community". Would you be happier if I told you I'm running IEeeeee under WinNT under VMWare under Linux? Would that somehow validate me in your oh-so-judgemental eyes? If so -- I doubt it, but if so, well, I'm so pleased.
Has it occured to you that you and Microsoft are using similar tactics? They (allegedly?) include HTML/Java/JavaScript on their web pages that crashes Netscape. You exclude IE in a more direct manner. You have become your enemy.
If you're talking about the case I think you're talking about, they didn't sign away their right to sue. They signed away their right to damages. Not the same thing.
Hypothetical situation: Linux and other Unix clones grow to dominate the desktop
Hypothetical virus: A perl script that mails itself to everyone in your address book.
Problem: I can name at least four different, popular, e-mail programs off the top of my head (to wit, emacs, pine, elm, and mutt), and I'm quite sure there are ten or fifteen more. I've only ever used elm and mutt, and both of them store their aliases in different places; I assume that most other mailers do things similarly differently *laugh*. So now your virus has to figure out where your address book is before it can even begin to do anything else.
Hmm, on the other hand, this is probably easy to get around, just read ~/.* and pattern match for e-mail addresses, which has the added benefit (from the point of view of a virus writer) that so-and-so doesn't even have to be in your address book. Heck, expand the search to */* and */*/*, and you'll quite likely get the address of everyone that's ever been mentioned in any e-mail you've ever sent or received.
Oh Well, it seemed like a good argument at the time...:)
(And yes, this completley ignores the problem of actually getting folks to run the program.)
Specifically what comes to mind is the Eastern Seaboard Fission Authority. A Federally controlled electrical power infrastructure. [...] Putting two and two together, giving the government control and responsibility for nuclear power accomplishes several things. [...] 2. It will be managed adequately. When was the last time the DoD/Fed cut corners on maintenance and beurocracy? Yeah, they screw the social programs and NASA, but they pay $400/USAF screw-driver.
While the idea of a federally controlled electric backbone has interesting possibilities, the particular idea you propose doesn't do anything for me. Remember that the DoD, building its submarines, wasn't primarily after cheap, clean, or efficient electrical power. (Parenthetically, I can only hope that they nevertheless obtained at least clean and efficient power!) They were after an effective weapon/weapon transport system. Which led them to turn something of a blind eye to the financial end of things, as near as I can tell.
Asking the federal government to take charge of power production because they don't care about the cost seems counter-productive. Either they'd pass on the cost of the plant to the consumers of the power, or they'd take the cost of the plant out of our taxes. Either way, do we really want that?
Of course, none of this has anything to do with anything related to "space applications", so it's kinda moot in the context of the current discussion.
I sympathize over your pet peeve, but I think it'll have a long a healthy life. Historical data shows that Americans and other users of English care little for correct Latin plurals. Isn't that [sic]?;)
How dare you presume to say that I can't state my opinion if it offends you.
He didn't say you can't state your opinion. He insulted you and stated his opinion, which is that your opinions are stupid. With which opinion I agree.:)
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Oh my gosh, I laughed my ass off reading this. I sang it for my office. Can I (or would you) send this to rec.humor.funny (aka www.netfunny.com)?
He was actually replying to a message marked "-1: Offtopic". You, like me, probably read at 0 or above, so you didn't see it. The actual post to which he replied read "Gabriel just wanted a little more attention, being God's brightest angel. Arrogance made him Evil, why not MS?" It only LOOKED like he was replying to the "So MS hires some big gun to clean its PR...." post.
Wanting to check MS's assertion of 80-90% recoup of space, I wrote a Perl script to go through the files on my Win98 partition, generate an MD5 signature against each 1k block, keep track of duplicates, and spit 'em all out when it's done. I realize this is different from what MS said they did, but I also think it'd be neat to have a file system that did this automatically at the block level. If anything, since I used a finer granularity than MS did, I should have better "compression".
So, the results: on my Win98 partition, I'd save 73338 blocks out of a total of 742448, or about 9.88% of my used space.
Perhaps my file system is atypical (I don't use it very much, after all:). Perhaps I'd get better numbers if I ran it against an actual file server. But, based on this, I'm kinda underwhelmed. 10%, while good, is a long way from the 80% they claimed. (Though they did say "as much as", so I suppose I could cut them some slack.)
If I want to break that line up, I need to put in \s or python gets confused; if I end up reformatting it, I have to move the \s around. Unnecessary hassle.
I agree, that's a drag.
On the other hand, it's been a while since I read Programming Python, but in the few lines of Python I've written since then, when I have to break a line, I say something like
Of course people will pirate it. But so what? I would imagine that MS doesn't get most of its web server money from private individuals, it gets its money from corporations. I have yet to see a corporation, however small, that is willing to use pirated or hacked software. (Maybe I just haven't been around enough.:)
Currently I have "cthulhu" at home (a good name, I think) and "cthulhu2" for the laptop (a boring name). Inspired by the discussion here, I think I'll rename them ni and noo. If I ever get any more, I can move on to shrubber, swallow, herring, etc.
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Oops, minor /. hiccup -- #187 was a reply to #177, not #173.
You people seem to keep forgetting one minor detail
We're not forgetting that. It's irrelevant. What's relevant is that various folks (e.g., me) think that your position is stupid and gives the Linux community a bad name. To which opinion they, er, we have just as much right as you have excluding people that use IEeeeeeee.
What's relevant is that you seem to think that if somebody uses IEeeee, then that magically excludes them from "The Linux Community". Would you be happier if I told you I'm running IEeeeee under WinNT under VMWare under Linux? Would that somehow validate me in your oh-so-judgemental eyes? If so -- I doubt it, but if so, well, I'm so pleased.
Has it occured to you that you and Microsoft are using similar tactics? They (allegedly?) include HTML/Java/JavaScript on their web pages that crashes Netscape. You exclude IE in a more direct manner. You have become your enemy.
So if, say, Linus happened to use IE a couple of times while working at Transmeta, that would exclude him from the Linux community, would it?
If you're talking about the case I think you're talking about, they didn't sign away their right to sue. They signed away their right to damages. Not the same thing.
I was thinking about diversity, too.
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Hypothetical situation: Linux and other Unix clones grow to dominate the desktop
Hypothetical virus: A perl script that mails itself to everyone in your address book.
Problem: I can name at least four different, popular, e-mail programs off the top of my head (to wit, emacs, pine, elm, and mutt), and I'm quite sure there are ten or fifteen more. I've only ever used elm and mutt, and both of them store their aliases in different places; I assume that most other mailers do things similarly differently *laugh*. So now your virus has to figure out where your address book is before it can even begin to do anything else.
Hmm, on the other hand, this is probably easy to get around, just read ~/.* and pattern match for e-mail addresses, which has the added benefit (from the point of view of a virus writer) that so-and-so doesn't even have to be in your address book. Heck, expand the search to */* and */*/*, and you'll quite likely get the address of everyone that's ever been mentioned in any e-mail you've ever sent or received.
Oh Well, it seemed like a good argument at the time
(And yes, this completley ignores the problem of actually getting folks to run the program.)
It's just you. Sorry. ;)
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The main objective of the ITSF Study is to review past and present SF literature, artwork and films
Specifically what comes to mind is the Eastern Seaboard Fission Authority. A Federally controlled electrical power infrastructure.
[...]
Putting two and two together, giving the government control and responsibility for nuclear power accomplishes several things.
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2. It will be managed adequately. When was the last time the DoD/Fed cut corners on maintenance and beurocracy? Yeah, they screw the social programs and NASA, but they pay $400/USAF screw-driver.
While the idea of a federally controlled electric backbone has interesting possibilities, the particular idea you propose doesn't do anything for me. Remember that the DoD, building its submarines, wasn't primarily after cheap, clean, or efficient electrical power. (Parenthetically, I can only hope that they nevertheless obtained at least clean and efficient power!) They were after an effective weapon/weapon transport system. Which led them to turn something of a blind eye to the financial end of things, as near as I can tell.
Asking the federal government to take charge of power production because they don't care about the cost seems counter-productive. Either they'd pass on the cost of the plant to the consumers of the power, or they'd take the cost of the plant out of our taxes. Either way, do we really want that?
Of course, none of this has anything to do with anything related to "space applications", so it's kinda moot in the context of the current discussion.
How about 'Slashdot: Novel data for users of electronic calculating machines. Information that matters'?
:)
I was gonna mention Novell, but there's the pesky extra "L". I wouldn't be surprised, though, if "Data" were trademarked by Paramount.
I sympathize over your pet peeve, but I think it'll have a long a healthy life. Historical data shows that Americans and other users of English care little for correct Latin plurals. Isn't that [sic]? ;)
I am not cluless it is my ****OPINION****
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How dare you presume to say that I can't state my opinion if it offends you.
He didn't say you can't state your opinion. He insulted you and stated his opinion, which is that your opinions are stupid. With which opinion I agree.
Oh my gosh, I laughed my ass off reading this. I sang it for my office. Can I (or would you) send this to rec.humor.funny (aka www.netfunny.com)?
He was actually replying to a message marked "-1: Offtopic". You, like me, probably read at 0 or above, so you didn't see it. The actual post to which he replied read "Gabriel just wanted a little more attention, being God's brightest angel. Arrogance made him Evil, why not MS?" It only LOOKED like he was replying to the "So MS hires some big gun to clean its PR. ..." post.
Pining for the fjords, is it? :)
Wanting to check MS's assertion of 80-90% recoup of space, I wrote a Perl script to go through the files on my Win98 partition, generate an MD5 signature against each 1k block, keep track of duplicates, and spit 'em all out when it's done. I realize this is different from what MS said they did, but I also think it'd be neat to have a file system that did this automatically at the block level. If anything, since I used a finer granularity than MS did, I should have better "compression".
:). Perhaps I'd get better numbers if I ran it against an actual file server. But, based on this, I'm kinda underwhelmed. 10%, while good, is a long way from the 80% they claimed. (Though they did say "as much as", so I suppose I could cut them some slack.)
So, the results: on my Win98 partition, I'd save 73338 blocks out of a total of 742448, or about 9.88% of my used space.
Perhaps my file system is atypical (I don't use it very much, after all
Script available at http://www.theclapp.org/hash_disk
-- Sir Robin
I agree, that's a drag.
On the other hand, it's been a while since I read Programming Python, but in the few lines of Python I've written since then, when I have to break a line, I say something like
Which is slightly less hassle to deal with the next time you cut-and-paste, anyway.
Of course people will pirate it. But so what? I would imagine that MS doesn't get most of its web server money from private individuals, it gets its money from corporations. I have yet to see a corporation, however small, that is willing to use pirated or hacked software. (Maybe I just haven't been around enough. :)
Currently I have "cthulhu" at home (a good name, I think) and "cthulhu2" for the laptop (a boring name). Inspired by the discussion here, I think I'll rename them ni and noo. If I ever get any more, I can move on to shrubber, swallow, herring, etc.
By The Way: If you have Tcl installed, you have to say "man 5 proc". Otherwise you get the manpage for proc(n): "Create a Tcl procedure".