So let me get this straight... you are saying that it is OK to censor and force people to not print a cartoon, because some people may get offended and riot.
Yes if it would cause a needless loss of life, and I would say the same thing in every instance.
I do understand what you are talking about, and maybe I'm not making my point. It dosen't matter how broad the scope of censorship is in one country, but more of how it's used/defined. Besides there are forms of censorship that are benificial to a society/person. If we as a people were to get rid of everything that censors us from anything else, I would have to give up my beloved pop-up blocker, and there isn't a snowball's chance in hell that will happen.
I honestly don't care what China "TRIES" to censor, the people are going to get to it one way or another if they truly want it.
In Canada charges are being filed against a newspaper who reprinted the the Mohammed cartoons, and in Sweden an online site that published the Mohammed cartoons was shut down by the government. In Canada a guy was even charged and convicted for running an ad that had nothing but references to the bible.
Only because if they didn't a riot of sorts, like in the middle east, could have erupted causing huge amounts of damage.
Most of Europe doesn't allow people to deny the houlocaust happened. And religious groups often get people charged with "hate crimes" for critizing certain religions.
I don't get how this could be related to censorship?
Censorship, in my opinion, is a bad thing. However depending on the circumstances of a particular case I would agree that censorship should be enforced. For example: Pretend that there will be a catastrophic event that will end human life on earth within a week. Would you inform the public on the event and possible incite mass panic and end the lives of millions, or let them live their daily lives as if nothing is going to happen.
Censorship will always have it's place, but the responsibility of how it is used remains with those in the position of authority.
On almost every news post there is some quack that trys to bash somone of a different political view.
This should be interesting. Yes, right-wing conservatives, the Chinese say they're JUST LIKE YOU. Now what will you do?
What they say and what is actually true are almost always two different things, same could be said to the above quote. Let them say and do what they want, it's their country after all. Besides if someone in China really, I mean REALLY, wants to get to some information they are going to get it.
You really need to get off your political "high horse" and pull your head out of the ground and actually listen and understand, and then stop making everything so freakin political.
I do agree that pron is a small problem, but I don't think that it should be the gov't right to regulate it. I do however think that is the parents responsibility to regulate what their child/preteen is doing on the internet. But again it goes back to my previous statement: If there is something that you really really want on the "net", you WILL find a way to get to it.
I honestly don't understand the way people fight over the whole global warming issue. Reasearch has told us that it's only going to get worse. When it comes down to it why not just do what we are doing, it's futile to try and stem the inevitable. Quite complaining about it and either find a solution, or f'ing deal with it.
I can't understand why it's so political, politics have nothing to do with this problem. Left blames the right and right blames the left, all they are doing is making themselves look like fighting school shildren.
In the end one of two things are going to happen. We are all going to die some horrible death, or a group of people will invent a solution to the problem and get rich because of it.
You are correct, and proved my point. If an officer of the law, or anyone for that matter, sees you shoot heroin through your open window, then you have openly givin up your right to privacy by leaving that window open. Same thing with the "throwing out the trash" example. This is a grey area because the trash is still yours untill the garbage man takes it away. If it was an officer he would have probable cause to come and arrest you for commiting an illegal act. However if your neighbor sees you and reports you the police, they must investigate the incident, and if needed obtain a warrant.
The best example that I can think of are Hollywood Superstars, most of whom have little or no privacy. I agree that sometimes this is wrong and sometimes cruel, but they have given up that right to privacy when they are out in the open. Paparazzi (sp?) are some of the most, IMHO, inhumane people out there. But when a star checks themselves into a rehab clinic, and the camera goes off, then the whole world knows about it.
As for the tech, it's hard to say what he was really trying to do. When it comes down to it it's all about honesty. If he finds porn on you box and your ass is on the line, but was snooping (which is against company policy), he is going to hang you out to dry and come up with a reasonable explanition of how he found it.
It's hard to really say what was really going through the mind of the tech. There are soo many variables that one can't come to a real conclusion on the situation. What was the original problem with the PC? Was the tech working on a software problem, or just poking around? What did he find that he thought that he must call the cops? (warez software, kiddie porn?)
The fact that the cops did not follow procedure and obatin a warrant to search the computer, is what was wrong here. There is absolutly nothing wrong with calling the cops about something that you think might be illegal, but what the cops do with that information is where rules need to be followed.
This I disagree with. While I am 100% against video cameras in the PUBLIC space I am not against video cameras in a private space (i.e. dressing rooms of a store). My feelings for personal privacy have no weight in a privately owned store that is using video cameras as a theft prevention mechanism. I do however have an equal weight with regards to my feelings about public spaces being spied upon.
I think that it is odd that you have a problem with cameras in the public, but when it comes to having a camera in a private area you have no problem. I mean correct me if I'm wrong in my interpation. If you saw a camera on the outside of a gas station that was set to view the parking lot and pumps, would you rather not visit that station in some kind of fear (for lack of a better word) that you might be caught on camera? (not that you are doing anything wrong) That camera is there to protect the patrons of that station from harm, or to catch someone that is doing something illegal.
As for a camera in a private place I'm totally against it. A bathroom for example, is a place that people in general expect to have privacy without somone watching them. Your example of the camera in a dressing room as a anti-theft mechanism, is frankly absurd. If the store wants to catch thieves stealing from them they would put an attendant near the rooms who's job it was to check in and out the items that are going into the area. It's like your child's school placing cameras in the restrooms to prevent kids and adults from stealing toliet paper. I mean where would it end?
Privacy is privacy except when you let that privacy be open to the public, then it becomes someone's headline.
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So let me get this straight... you are saying that it is OK to censor and force people to not print a cartoon, because some people may get offended and riot.
Yes if it would cause a needless loss of life, and I would say the same thing in every instance.
I do understand what you are talking about, and maybe I'm not making my point. It dosen't matter how broad the scope of censorship is in one country, but more of how it's used/defined. Besides there are forms of censorship that are benificial to a society/person. If we as a people were to get rid of everything that censors us from anything else, I would have to give up my beloved pop-up blocker, and there isn't a snowball's chance in hell that will happen.
I honestly don't care what China "TRIES" to censor, the people are going to get to it one way or another if they truly want it.
Only because if they didn't a riot of sorts, like in the middle east, could have erupted causing huge amounts of damage.
I don't get how this could be related to censorship?
Censorship, in my opinion, is a bad thing. However depending on the circumstances of a particular case I would agree that censorship should be enforced. For example: Pretend that there will be a catastrophic event that will end human life on earth within a week. Would you inform the public on the event and possible incite mass panic and end the lives of millions, or let them live their daily lives as if nothing is going to happen.
Censorship will always have it's place, but the responsibility of how it is used remains with those in the position of authority.
On almost every news post there is some quack that trys to bash somone of a different political view.
What they say and what is actually true are almost always two different things, same could be said to the above quote. Let them say and do what they want, it's their country after all. Besides if someone in China really, I mean REALLY, wants to get to some information they are going to get it.
You really need to get off your political "high horse" and pull your head out of the ground and actually listen and understand, and then stop making everything so freakin political.
I do agree that pron is a small problem, but I don't think that it should be the gov't right to regulate it. I do however think that is the parents responsibility to regulate what their child/preteen is doing on the internet. But again it goes back to my previous statement: If there is something that you really really want on the "net", you WILL find a way to get to it.
Sounds like LARP'ing. Bunch of freaks they are!!
I honestly don't understand the way people fight over the whole global warming issue. Reasearch has told us that it's only going to get worse. When it comes down to it why not just do what we are doing, it's futile to try and stem the inevitable. Quite complaining about it and either find a solution, or f'ing deal with it. I can't understand why it's so political, politics have nothing to do with this problem. Left blames the right and right blames the left, all they are doing is making themselves look like fighting school shildren. In the end one of two things are going to happen. We are all going to die some horrible death, or a group of people will invent a solution to the problem and get rich because of it.
You are correct, and proved my point. If an officer of the law, or anyone for that matter, sees you shoot heroin through your open window, then you have openly givin up your right to privacy by leaving that window open. Same thing with the "throwing out the trash" example. This is a grey area because the trash is still yours untill the garbage man takes it away. If it was an officer he would have probable cause to come and arrest you for commiting an illegal act. However if your neighbor sees you and reports you the police, they must investigate the incident, and if needed obtain a warrant.
The best example that I can think of are Hollywood Superstars, most of whom have little or no privacy. I agree that sometimes this is wrong and sometimes cruel, but they have given up that right to privacy when they are out in the open. Paparazzi (sp?) are some of the most, IMHO, inhumane people out there. But when a star checks themselves into a rehab clinic, and the camera goes off, then the whole world knows about it.
As for the tech, it's hard to say what he was really trying to do. When it comes down to it it's all about honesty. If he finds porn on you box and your ass is on the line, but was snooping (which is against company policy), he is going to hang you out to dry and come up with a reasonable explanition of how he found it.
It's hard to really say what was really going through the mind of the tech. There are soo many variables that one can't come to a real conclusion on the situation. What was the original problem with the PC? Was the tech working on a software problem, or just poking around? What did he find that he thought that he must call the cops? (warez software, kiddie porn?) The fact that the cops did not follow procedure and obatin a warrant to search the computer, is what was wrong here. There is absolutly nothing wrong with calling the cops about something that you think might be illegal, but what the cops do with that information is where rules need to be followed. This I disagree with. While I am 100% against video cameras in the PUBLIC space I am not against video cameras in a private space (i.e. dressing rooms of a store). My feelings for personal privacy have no weight in a privately owned store that is using video cameras as a theft prevention mechanism. I do however have an equal weight with regards to my feelings about public spaces being spied upon. I think that it is odd that you have a problem with cameras in the public, but when it comes to having a camera in a private area you have no problem. I mean correct me if I'm wrong in my interpation. If you saw a camera on the outside of a gas station that was set to view the parking lot and pumps, would you rather not visit that station in some kind of fear (for lack of a better word) that you might be caught on camera? (not that you are doing anything wrong) That camera is there to protect the patrons of that station from harm, or to catch someone that is doing something illegal. As for a camera in a private place I'm totally against it. A bathroom for example, is a place that people in general expect to have privacy without somone watching them. Your example of the camera in a dressing room as a anti-theft mechanism, is frankly absurd. If the store wants to catch thieves stealing from them they would put an attendant near the rooms who's job it was to check in and out the items that are going into the area. It's like your child's school placing cameras in the restrooms to prevent kids and adults from stealing toliet paper. I mean where would it end? Privacy is privacy except when you let that privacy be open to the public, then it becomes someone's headline.