"The bigger problem with this, the way I see it, is that before we even get to comparing men vs. women, we need to define what "intelligence" is and how to measure it.... Is a tribesman from Africa less intelligent than me? He knows how to kill a lion, while I might know what a Hilbert space is, so who is more intelligent?"
Actually, I would think that before you could define intelligence, you would have to clearly delineate between it and education, as all too often people mistake one for the other. Does that Tribesman know how to kill a lion because he is more intelligent, or because he was taught to and you were not?
"Here in the San Francisco Bay Area I can assure you that we do not exaggerate the problem."
Whaddya mean "we" white man? All the Bay Area is not your neighborhood.
"Theaters have been made into kid friendly hang out zones where parents can drop the anti-social little shits for an afternoon. Most movies are made and marketed for a teen mentality now. Because of this adults feel less and less comfortable at the theater."
God, you sound like such an old fart. Damn those pesky teenagers ruining it for the rest of us! Look, I don't know how old you are, but I'm willing to wager that you were one of those irritating teens in the theater once. So was I, in the 70's. It's nothing new. They aren't killing the theater experience with cellphones any more than my friends and I did by just being loud and full of ourselves. Find another theater, go during off hours or get a different hobby, but don't fall back on the lazy cliché of blaming The Kids of Today for your inablility to cope.
I have the strangest feeling that you and I are not having the same discussion. I can't find that I ever said that print comics should move entirely to the web, or that there would be no more demand for them because of the web. I don't think that's what the article was saying either. But then, it was such a poorly researched and executed piece of work that I may have blocked that bit out.
You've made it quite clear you don't enjoy webcomics. That's fine. I am simply asserting that, despite your personal disbelief, there are plenty of people that do enjoy them and who are willing to pay (either by subscription or donation) to see them.
Whatever the case, print and web each have there place and audience. The two are not mutually exclusive. No predictions necessary.
No, the specific example I cited is not a strip, it's presented like any standard format comic page, only online rather than in print. It was quite successful, and is by no means the only one.
I'm not sure that the distinction you are attempting to make really applies. Presentation aside, it's still a story told with sequential art and dialogue. Many people who create what you call "web comic books" still refer to their work as a "strip". Some people (me, for example) call their work a series. But it really doesn't matter. Strip, book or series, if it has appeal it will have an audience. And if it has an audience, it will have success. The extent of that success remains to be seen, but depends more (I think) on marketing than format or presentation.
As for social experience, those come in all flavors. Not everyone has access to a direct market store. Many find that an online community is just as satisfactory.
I've seen that thst is not the case. there are plenty of popular webcomics that were once free, then moved behind a subscription wall (like "Bite Me!" at GirlAMatic.com) and retained their audience.
"She argues she couldn't read Narbonic -- whose name she clearly got from the WCCA -- because it's behind a subscription wall...."
What's more telling about that particular argument of hers is that Joey Manley (the guy behind all the Modern tales sites) gave Ms. Boxer a comp subscription to ALL the MT sites. And he knows she got them, because there a bit in her article that is lifted directly from the text of the email he sent her. How do I know? I work for GirlAMatic .
For those who are interested, Joey has other thoughts about the article in his blog.
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"Dude, I'm going to put this CD on the Internet right away."
"Yeah, dude, that's really lete [sic], you'll get lots of respect."
Dick: This dialogue between the youth-hooldlums is most compelling and believable.
Jane: Yes, it is so very much like the After School Specials of our parent's day.
Dick: Word!
Jane: Perhaps we should emulate these rad fellows and put our music online.
Dick: Ineed! It is teh lete to get teh respect.
"The bigger problem with this, the way I see it, is that before we even get to comparing men vs. women, we need to define what "intelligence" is and how to measure it. ... Is a tribesman from Africa less intelligent than me? He knows how to kill a lion, while I might know what a Hilbert space is, so who is more intelligent?"
Actually, I would think that before you could define intelligence, you would have to clearly delineate between it and education, as all too often people mistake one for the other. Does that Tribesman know how to kill a lion because he is more intelligent, or because he was taught to and you were not?
"Here in the San Francisco Bay Area I can assure you that we do not exaggerate the problem." Whaddya mean "we" white man? All the Bay Area is not your neighborhood. "Theaters have been made into kid friendly hang out zones where parents can drop the anti-social little shits for an afternoon. Most movies are made and marketed for a teen mentality now. Because of this adults feel less and less comfortable at the theater." God, you sound like such an old fart. Damn those pesky teenagers ruining it for the rest of us! Look, I don't know how old you are, but I'm willing to wager that you were one of those irritating teens in the theater once. So was I, in the 70's. It's nothing new. They aren't killing the theater experience with cellphones any more than my friends and I did by just being loud and full of ourselves. Find another theater, go during off hours or get a different hobby, but don't fall back on the lazy cliché of blaming The Kids of Today for your inablility to cope.
I have the strangest feeling that you and I are not having the same discussion. I can't find that I ever said that print comics should move entirely to the web, or that there would be no more demand for them because of the web. I don't think that's what the article was saying either. But then, it was such a poorly researched and executed piece of work that I may have blocked that bit out.
You've made it quite clear you don't enjoy webcomics. That's fine. I am simply asserting that, despite your personal disbelief, there are plenty of people that do enjoy them and who are willing to pay (either by subscription or donation) to see them.
Whatever the case, print and web each have there place and audience. The two are not mutually exclusive. No predictions necessary.
No, the specific example I cited is not a strip, it's presented like any standard format comic page, only online rather than in print. It was quite successful, and is by no means the only one.
I'm not sure that the distinction you are attempting to make really applies. Presentation aside, it's still a story told with sequential art and dialogue. Many people who create what you call "web comic books" still refer to their work as a "strip". Some people (me, for example) call their work a series. But it really doesn't matter. Strip, book or series, if it has appeal it will have an audience. And if it has an audience, it will have success. The extent of that success remains to be seen, but depends more (I think) on marketing than format or presentation.
As for social experience, those come in all flavors. Not everyone has access to a direct market store. Many find that an online community is just as satisfactory.
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I've seen that thst is not the case. there are plenty of popular webcomics that were once free, then moved behind a subscription wall (like "Bite Me!" at GirlAMatic.com) and retained their audience.
"She argues she couldn't read Narbonic -- whose name she clearly got from the WCCA -- because it's behind a subscription wall. ..."
What's more telling about that particular argument of hers is that Joey Manley (the guy behind all the Modern tales sites) gave Ms. Boxer a comp subscription to ALL the MT sites. And he knows she got them, because there a bit in her article that is lifted directly from the text of the email he sent her. How do I know? I work for GirlAMatic .
For those who are interested, Joey has other thoughts about the article in his blog.