There are 16 different takes, with equal measures of outburst.
The big deal is that one stinkin' utility application on the desktop requires the inclusion of ~50MB of what some people consider to be 'tainted' libraries.
A notepad, for which there is already a replacement.
The issue is that 'GNOME 3 Mono', and if you want one, you're getting the other, with limited ability to pick and choose what you're running.
I don't want Evolution. I don't want Tomboy, and I certainly don't want Beagle.
If I really wanted MS interop, I'd just buy a stinkin' Windows machine.
Q8. What does this mean for Mono and its inclusion in non-SUSE distributions? Does Mono infringe Microsoft patents?
"We maintain that Mono does not infringe any Microsoft patents. This agreement does not impact the rights and abilities of other distributions to bundle and ship Mono.
Novell is the leading contributor to Mono and we remain committed to the Mono project. Mono is a community project with many constituents and collaborators from companies, universities, governments and individuals.
The Mono project has a set of rules it uses to handle patents that might read on its implementation. The general policy is to work around, remove, or find prior technology on any patents that might read on any implementations in Mono. We continue to support this policy."
" Could patents be used to completely disable Mono?
First some background information.
The.NET Framework is divided in two parts: the ECMA/ISO covered technologies and the other technologies developed on top of it like ADO.NET, ASP.NET and Windows.Forms.
Mono implements the ECMA/ISO covered parts, as well as being a project that aims to implement the higher level blocks like ASP.NET, ADO.NET and Windows.Forms....The core of the.NET Framework, and what has been patented by Microsoft falls under the ECMA/ISO submission. Jim Miller at Microsoft has made a statement on the patents covering ISO/ECMA, (he is one of the inventors listed in the patent): here (http://web.archive.org/web/20030424174805/http://mailserver.di.unipi.it/pipermail/dotnet-sscli/msg00218.html)
Basically a grant is given to anyone who want to implement those components for free and for any purpose."
This Mono encumberance spreads via dependencies. Installing GNOME or certain GTK apps without any Mono dependencies is extremely difficult. Even more so when these packages and dependencies are tested and become part of stable, yielding silly situations, like when 'bootsplash' is replaced with 'splashy', which requires the 'gnome-desktop-environment' meta-package, 'gnome-desktop', 'cheese', etc.
From what I've seen and read, the dependencies in Debian are being swept in as a means to resolve inter-package dependencies within Debian. It's GNOME and subcomponents, and some tertiary apps that require Mono, but oversight in keeping barriers between 'default' and 'encumbered' is falling short, despite claims to the contrary:
"This is why gnome-desktop-environment doesn't depend on it despite being part of the official GNOME desktop.
The gnome metapackage is here to bring a full-fledged desktop with all the bling. If you don't want everything, you should install gnome-desktop-environment and pick other stuff depending on your choice."
As it happens in some other distributions - SUSE, for instance, the dependency web is such that basic GNOME components have a cross-dependency with Tomboy, and as GNOME is headed by Mono-centric developers, it's to be expected that the interoperability of GNOME components will continue to depend on Mono. Evolution, Tomboy, Beagle, will each require similar effort as has been put into Gnote, and similar vigilance in assuring compatibility.
Bands play 'medleys' it when the times have progressed, but the tunes are still a vital part of their lineup, why their fans came in the first place, etc.
If anything it should be taught as part of an "Exploring Legacy Computing 102" course. A little FORTRAN, a little Pascal, some LISP (no threats, please), BASIC, COBOL, as well as magnetic and paper media technologies.
1. Toggle an Integer BASIC interpreter of your own design into the Altair 8800 you wire-wrapped in 101, using the front-panel switches. 2. Punch a master card with a FORTRAN program to perform a bubble sort on the following data set:
2a.: 12, 14, 66, 31, 988, 292, 747, 90922, 1...
2b.: Error-check and reproduce Master until 45 copies can be created with the IBM 514 reproducing punch.
3. Restore PDP/11 from with 2.11BSD from tapes.
3a. How many tracks are available on your tape?
3b. How tracks would be present if you circumambulate the PDP/11, and beginning at the rearmost right corner, affix the tape to the exterior of the machine, with no overlap, with each course at approximately 22 Degrees?
openSUSE Build Service - where you can get a package for Debian, Redhat, or SUSE.
Trouble is, it doesn't work very well, and many of the 'packages' there are just 'projects'. Hollow.
echo is a shell builtin, and the Finder..
on
Unix Turns 40
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· Score: 3, Insightful
The Finder is just another app.
Don't like it? Replace it with Front Row or something else.
Don't like your shell's interpretation of a POSIX command? Replace it with something else - 'printf' comes to mind.
There's no Apple-imposed barrier. POSIX -ne UNIX, and POSIX owes much of its shell syntax requirement to ksh interpretation (not pdksh, not tcsh, not bash, and not zsh).
Previously thought to be extinct, the Rackus Paleolithicus or 'Wooly Rack', has recently been spotted in two datacenters, wherein beyond adequate cooling has been observed.
Scientists are debating whether the recently discovered specimins are an 'islanded' species, as occurs in the Galopogos, or if the climatic conditions triggered a reactivation of hibernating DNA.
I'm assuming these will be distributed to Windows or Mac types, and each has their method of automatically accessing/activating content upon insertion.
How about loading each of them with a loopable sample that plays on impact?
What would an OS be that is simple enough as to be without the 'complexity' that differentiates it from the 'basic, input/output system'?
Would be like an early Mac, where the foundation code existed in 'hardware' (nevermind that it is locally housed, accessible code, though RO), and manipulated via 'Toolbox' calls, as could be affected like that Windows=only API for IE-housed apps?
A Super-cloud of diskless, pocket-sized Macintosh SE's?
People have little care or concern over what results are deemed "professional".
There are entire books and manuals that aren't made with the "proper" tools, because most people can't comprehend why Word or Publisher don't meet the criteria for "professional" results. With Publisher, it usually takes the harsh step of producing their document, from the raw material delivered by the customer.
"It looks fine on my Inkjet at home! Why does it look like so much dogshit on the floor?"
With Word, it's usually "good enough" for most people, even though the outcome isn't what you or they would really like. Give a Tech Writer a copy of Word, and they may "make-do", but I doubt you'll find many who prefer it to FrameMaker, InDesign, or even Pagemaker. That same Tech Writer will churn out a document with Word, and because it's "good enough", it will fly around the Globe, and even make it out as trade conference detritus or long-lived corporate gospel.
TeX, on the other hand, is not something most people care about learning. You *must* learn it to be able to use it confidently. There's no "good enough" with TeX - it either works, or it doesn't.
TeX is a Science. Word is a Comedy. People like comedy.
I'm waiting for one of these pockets of entombed microbes to contain the most heinous superbug ever confronted by humanity.
(mu ha ha ha)
But seriously, I can't help but feel it's possible for something to have been cooped up so long that we have zero defenses, as though a meteor hand-delivered a fresh batch of Space Flu.
The Big Three undoubtedly saw the potential of Tesla and smaller companies (who buy a chassis, fit it with their gear, and profit), shit themselves, and immediately made it a necessity that Diesel fuel double in price, Saturn (who would be the GM arm to make it happen) forget what they are about and sell rebadged Opels, and thrusting on the public a prolonged (boring?) four-year introduction of the new Camaro.
What. The. Hell, indeed..
Something is seriously fucking fishy, if you ask me.
There are mandated requirements for safety that eliminate the ability for anyone (but them) to feasibly introduce a new American automobile, unless it has three wheels, in which case it's not an Auto at all, but a Motorcycle.
Q: Why did the minimum hood (bonnet) height of a typical sedan go from the super-aerodynamic, low drag Cd noses of the 90's to something akin to 1980's pickup trucks? A: "Pededstrian safety".
Yeah, yeah.. he's a mirror - look at him, and see yourself..
The shtick is old, that's all I'm saying. He could learn a few lessons from The Onion, but then again, I don't his viewers 'deserve' to be 'enlightened' to that degree.
I don't think they're capable of the introspection he's ultimately trying for. There are too many people satisfied with the Lobby.
He won the vote - that proves his point that he can cajole the (fifteen to seventeen year-old North American male) public into stuffing a ballot box.
I have to say that if he continues down this road, one he's clearly been down before, it signals the beginning of the end to those of us not wearing the jersey.
April Fools or no, give it up and be a man, Coal Bear. Rather than suggest something interesting or meaningful (I submt 'The Colbert Brown Eagle'), he perpetrated this out of pure vanity, and I for one, have to offer him the North American finger gesture signifying my indignance.
I agree - allow millions of interested, but disconnected eyeballs to scan for things like improper O-ring fitment, valid unit conversions, and validity of trajectory calculations, and you will have a vastly more involved, and better served society for all this galavanting around the solar system.
Maybe someone like Armadillo or Virgin will open up to the concept, and begin a shift.
Slashdot Mirror
Pizza Hut also used OpenServer.
Now they're a SUSE shop! :)
There are 16 different takes, with equal measures of outburst.
The big deal is that one stinkin' utility application on the desktop requires the inclusion of ~50MB of what some people consider to be 'tainted' libraries.
A notepad, for which there is already a replacement.
The issue is that 'GNOME 3 Mono', and if you want one, you're getting the other, with limited ability to pick and choose what you're running.
I don't want Evolution. I don't want Tomboy, and I certainly don't want Beagle.
If I really wanted MS interop, I'd just buy a stinkin' Windows machine.
http://www.novell.com/linux/microsoft/faq_opensource.html
Q8. What does this mean for Mono and its inclusion in non-SUSE distributions? Does Mono infringe Microsoft patents?
"We maintain that Mono does not infringe any Microsoft patents. This agreement does not impact the rights and abilities of other distributions to bundle and ship Mono.
Novell is the leading contributor to Mono and we remain committed to the Mono project. Mono is a community project with many constituents and collaborators from companies, universities, governments and individuals.
The Mono project has a set of rules it uses to handle patents that might read on its implementation. The general policy is to work around, remove, or find prior technology on any patents that might read on any implementations in Mono. We continue to support this policy."
Also,
http://www.mono-project.com/FAQ:_Licensing#Patents
" Could patents be used to completely disable Mono?
First some background information.
The .NET Framework is divided in two parts: the ECMA/ISO covered technologies and the other technologies developed on top of it like ADO.NET, ASP.NET and Windows.Forms.
Mono implements the ECMA/ISO covered parts, as well as being a project that aims to implement the higher level blocks like ASP.NET, ADO.NET and Windows.Forms. ...The core of the .NET Framework, and what has been patented by Microsoft falls under the ECMA/ISO submission. Jim Miller at Microsoft has made a statement on the patents covering ISO/ECMA, (he is one of the inventors listed in the patent): here (http://web.archive.org/web/20030424174805/http://mailserver.di.unipi.it/pipermail/dotnet-sscli/msg00218.html)
Basically a grant is given to anyone who want to implement those components for free and for any purpose."
This Mono encumberance spreads via dependencies. Installing GNOME or certain GTK apps without any Mono dependencies is extremely difficult. Even more so when these packages and dependencies are tested and become part of stable, yielding silly situations, like when 'bootsplash' is replaced with 'splashy', which requires the 'gnome-desktop-environment' meta-package, 'gnome-desktop', 'cheese', etc.
From what I've seen and read, the dependencies in Debian are being swept in as a means to resolve inter-package dependencies within Debian. It's GNOME and subcomponents, and some tertiary apps that require Mono, but oversight in keeping barriers between 'default' and 'encumbered' is falling short, despite claims to the contrary:
http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=473118
"This is why gnome-desktop-environment doesn't depend on it despite being
part of the official GNOME desktop.
The gnome metapackage is here to bring a full-fledged desktop with all
the bling. If you don't want everything, you should install
gnome-desktop-environment and pick other stuff depending on your choice."
As it happens in some other distributions - SUSE, for instance, the dependency web is such that basic GNOME components have a cross-dependency with Tomboy, and as GNOME is headed by Mono-centric developers, it's to be expected that the interoperability of GNOME components will continue to depend on Mono. Evolution, Tomboy, Beagle, will each require similar effort as has been put into Gnote, and similar vigilance in assuring compatibility.
Bands play 'medleys' it when the times have progressed, but the tunes are still a vital part of their lineup, why their fans came in the first place, etc.
If anything it should be taught as part of an "Exploring Legacy Computing 102" course. A little FORTRAN, a little Pascal, some LISP (no threats, please), BASIC, COBOL, as well as magnetic and paper media technologies.
1. Toggle an Integer BASIC interpreter of your own design into the Altair 8800 you wire-wrapped in 101, using the front-panel switches.
2. Punch a master card with a FORTRAN program to perform a bubble sort on the following data set:
2a.: 12, 14, 66, 31, 988, 292, 747, 90922, 1...
2b.: Error-check and reproduce Master until 45 copies can be created with the IBM 514 reproducing punch.
3. Restore PDP/11 from with 2.11BSD from tapes.
3a. How many tracks are available on your tape?
3b. How tracks would be present if you circumambulate the PDP/11, and beginning at the rearmost right corner, affix the tape to the exterior of the machine, with no overlap, with each course at approximately 22 Degrees?
Baked beans on toast.
I would skip it even if they were the last two edible things in my kitchen.
What an unholy case of indigestion that would unleash.
That said, where's the USB-powered single-slice toasterator?
openSUSE Build Service - where you can get a package for Debian, Redhat, or SUSE.
Trouble is, it doesn't work very well, and many of the 'packages' there are just 'projects'. Hollow.
The Finder is just another app.
Don't like it? Replace it with Front Row or something else.
Don't like your shell's interpretation of a POSIX command? Replace it with something else - 'printf' comes to mind.
There's no Apple-imposed barrier. POSIX -ne UNIX, and POSIX owes much of its shell syntax requirement to ksh interpretation (not pdksh, not tcsh, not bash, and not zsh).
Previously thought to be extinct, the Rackus Paleolithicus or 'Wooly Rack', has recently been spotted in two datacenters, wherein beyond adequate cooling has been observed.
Scientists are debating whether the recently discovered specimins are an 'islanded' species, as occurs in the Galopogos, or if the climatic conditions triggered a reactivation of hibernating DNA.
Average PC has 2-3 USB ports available.
I'm assuming these will be distributed to Windows or Mac types, and each has their method of automatically accessing/activating content upon insertion.
How about loading each of them with a loopable sample that plays on impact?
"Farmer in the Dell"
What would an OS be that is simple enough as to be without the 'complexity' that differentiates it from the 'basic, input/output system'?
Would be like an early Mac, where the foundation code existed in 'hardware' (nevermind that it is locally housed, accessible code, though RO), and manipulated via 'Toolbox' calls, as could be affected like that Windows=only API for IE-housed apps?
A Super-cloud of diskless, pocket-sized Macintosh SE's?
Scribus is 'page layout' software.
It would be the perfect thing to arrange pre-rendered LaTeX, exported as Postscript or some other neutral format, within a larger document.
AFAIK, it doesn't have any real equation or graphics generation capabilities of its own. Someone please prove me wrong! :)
I was waiting to see you weigh in, you Typographical Mastermind, you. :)
Micro-interview:
What are a few of your favorite attributes of LyX?
Why LyX versus other WYSIWYG tools, TeX or otherwise?
The trouble I have had is that they don't produce 'clean' LaTeX.
You have to export, and if you try to bring it back in, there's quite a bit of residual goofiness.
I much prefer TeXmacs, but rendering on the fly is sloow.
I have had to convert multi-dozen page Publisher and Word documents into 'real' formats.
This pain comes at a price. See the 'Setup Fees' line item on your invoice. :)
"I know you could buy your own copy of $ProTool for that price, and for the sake of our business relationship, it's what we encourage you to do."
RIPs don't like Microsoft, no matter what kind of goofy pseudo-filter you pipe them through.
Manual (camera) seps are an alternative, and harder to find by the year.
The whole reason we have Joe, Pico and other such editors is because people have learned Word's ways.
If you ask me, they are a scourge, and are dumbing-down entire cultures.
The same thing will happen with Word.
Phew - the shit I have seen crammed into a spreadsheet.. With pride.
Any higher function than SUM should require certification.
"You got a license for that Pivot Table, Son?"
Features on top of features, with no real signposts to guide their implementation. Gag.
People have little care or concern over what results are deemed "professional".
There are entire books and manuals that aren't made with the "proper" tools, because most people can't comprehend why Word or Publisher don't meet the criteria for "professional" results. With Publisher, it usually takes the harsh step of producing their document, from the raw material delivered by the customer.
"It looks fine on my Inkjet at home! Why does it look like so much dogshit on the floor?"
With Word, it's usually "good enough" for most people, even though the outcome isn't what you or they would really like. Give a Tech Writer a copy of Word, and they may "make-do", but I doubt you'll find many who prefer it to FrameMaker, InDesign, or even Pagemaker. That same Tech Writer will churn out a document with Word, and because it's "good enough", it will fly around the Globe, and even make it out as trade conference detritus or long-lived corporate gospel.
TeX, on the other hand, is not something most people care about learning. You *must* learn it to be able to use it confidently. There's no "good enough" with TeX - it either works, or it doesn't.
TeX is a Science. Word is a Comedy. People like comedy.
These people must really put on a stellar slideshow!
You are being paid to perform the job you are mostly because 'they' cannot be bothered to learn a 'hard drive' from a 'hole in their arse'.
Let their inability to grasp this simple concept stand as an example of their further inability to grasp your career field as a whole.
They want to call it everything a 'hard drive' and pay you 10 x N dollars per hour? Let them continue for all time.
Pet peeves are annoying, it's true. Hearing people complain that others refer to a specific item via improper nomenclature is one of mine.
I'm waiting for one of these pockets of entombed microbes to contain the most heinous superbug ever confronted by humanity.
(mu ha ha ha)
But seriously, I can't help but feel it's possible for something to have been cooped up so long that we have zero defenses, as though a meteor hand-delivered a fresh batch of Space Flu.
Amen, brother.
The Big Three undoubtedly saw the potential of Tesla and smaller companies (who buy a chassis, fit it with their gear, and profit), shit themselves, and immediately made it a necessity that Diesel fuel double in price, Saturn (who would be the GM arm to make it happen) forget what they are about and sell rebadged Opels, and thrusting on the public a prolonged (boring?) four-year introduction of the new Camaro.
What. The. Hell, indeed..
Something is seriously fucking fishy, if you ask me.
There are mandated requirements for safety that eliminate the ability for anyone (but them) to feasibly introduce a new American automobile, unless it has three wheels, in which case it's not an Auto at all, but a Motorcycle.
Q: Why did the minimum hood (bonnet) height of a typical sedan go from the super-aerodynamic, low drag Cd noses of the 90's to something akin to 1980's pickup trucks?
A: "Pededstrian safety".
Yeah, yeah.. he's a mirror - look at him, and see yourself..
The shtick is old, that's all I'm saying. He could learn a few lessons from The Onion, but then again, I don't his viewers 'deserve' to be 'enlightened' to that degree.
I don't think they're capable of the introspection he's ultimately trying for. There are too many people satisfied with the Lobby.
He won the vote - that proves his point that he can cajole the (fifteen to seventeen year-old North American male) public into stuffing a ballot box.
I have to say that if he continues down this road, one he's clearly been down before, it signals the beginning of the end to those of us not wearing the jersey.
April Fools or no, give it up and be a man, Coal Bear. Rather than suggest something interesting or meaningful (I submt 'The Colbert Brown Eagle'), he perpetrated this out of pure vanity, and I for one, have to offer him the North American finger gesture signifying my indignance.
There. I did it. Now I will move on with my life.
I agree - allow millions of interested, but disconnected eyeballs to scan for things like improper O-ring fitment, valid unit conversions, and validity of trajectory calculations, and you will have a vastly more involved, and better served society for all this galavanting around the solar system.
Maybe someone like Armadillo or Virgin will open up to the concept, and begin a shift.