A nuclear war is not simply one side dropping a pair of nuclear weapons on the other side. Quite the contrary, actually -- it's the other side sending back nukes at a similar rate. Would you still say we won if Japan had nuclear capability and nuked the American mainland? What if we had gotten into a nuclear war with the USSR? They certainly had the capability and the stockpile to fight back; hard to see a winner in that case.
Do try to remember, it never happened. Good reason, too, we had MAD. Despite what the liberals say about it, both countries understood and it kept them at the peace tables until it was all hammered out.
Japan was trying to get there. They had labs in Korea during WWII. But, that said, back then, your deliver system was severely limited and the weapons were very heavy.
Current day: Russia probably does not have a reliable delivery system, but they would probably not get involved in a war for the same old reasons. China has delivery capabilities to a point. North Korea, Japan could fart and knock down what they have in North Korea. And, if you think Japan will let NK get a reliable delivery system or an actual weapon, you're not paying attention. Current intelligence assessments of Iran are that they are incapable of delivering their imaginary weapons. They have a few years to get ONE.
I've been at the business of defense for over 20 years. I played duck and cover drills in elementary school in the early 60's. Your kind have always been playing the "what if..." card to the most absurd and extreme point. Your dire predictions have never come true. The nut jobs tried so hard to demonize Reagan and were praying that he'd start a war so that they could be proved right. They were wrong. And, you are still.
Simplistic limited idealistic model. Can be disproven by so many more enlarged situational components.
Any example can be taken to level that it no longer works.
This one has so many flaws it's sad. 1) The rest of the world decides you're a country led by morons and stops trading with you, your economy hurts 2) other countries trade with you but charge you more now 3) you have contaminated the world with radioactivity, hurting us all. The depleted uranium we use in Afghanistan and Iraq is not only ruining their land for a long time forward, it is causing genetic damage and illnesses in our soldiers who then come home and have a lifetime of agony.
After Hiroshima and Nagasaki, 1. Never happened, 2. Never happened, 3. Was localized and while levels increased, nothing really came out of it except for those directly involved in the blast or recovery.
Oil, these days. The other guy is both the 'enemy' and the US citizen now having to pay $3.50 a gallon because international tension has driven the price of a barrel of oil up.
Uh, sparky? Have you check the price of a barrel lately. It is lower than it was when we were complaining about $2.50 gallons. The price of gasoline is directly related to oil companies, corrupt politicians (Bush and Cheney come to mind), and the every decreasing number of refineries the oil companies can build and maintain.
The assesment might be true for all of your point, except for the nuclear war. Both side actually LOSE.
We nuked Japan. They stopped fighting. We won. The world actually won. There are only 2 countries, and both of those might not have the abilities they used to have, that could even strike back to the degree that you mention.
Using fiction as a philosophical underpinning is difficult at best. Usually one illustrates their philosophy with a cautionary fictional tale. They usually go astray when they rely upon the tale as their philosophy.
I find Dvorak a bit tedious. For coding, I prefer Williams, John, not Andy. Sometimes I listen to something light like Bocelli. Moody Blues. But, never metal when I'm coding.
It would be bad, boring, and lacking in humanity. But, it would be peaceful. But, peace without fulfillment and challenge is Hell on Earth.
Besides, neither of us is in danger of it actually happening in our lifetime or in the lifetimes of our children for next 100 generations, and probably a 100 generations after that.
Son, I've served my hitch. More than once. But, I still carry, and I still defend. And,/. is in dire need of some opposing views. Don't like it? Fine, I served so you can be an ass about others rights and service. If I had a ribbon and bow, I'd wrap it for you. But, I'm not even going to hold out for a "thank-you" from someone like you.
You get in fight, the other guy is bleeding more than you are and down for the count - You Win!
You get sued, the other guy loses more money than you - You Win!
You get into a war, you nuke the other guy into submission - You Win!
Yes, in each of these situations you lose something, blood, money, time, people, and equipment, but the other guy is worse off? You Win!
The only place your philosophy works is also the only place pacifism works, in a theoretical la-la world of perfect situations where everyone else thinks like you (god forbid that ever happens). The pacifist says, "I will not let you make me fight. Not even to defend myself." In your La-la World, the opposition says, "Gee, golly, gosh, he really means it, how could we ever think of carrying on in our evil plots? Let's sing kumbaya. Sorry." In the real world, the opposition says, "Great, kill this guy first. He's just a trouble maker. Now, let the tanks roll." The problem with pacifist is that for them to continue on existing and trying to make their philosophy work and propogate is that people like me, willing to carry a gun, willing to sign up and deploy, willing to kill the other guy and break his stuff must defend his sorry ass even while he decries me for doing so.
OK, get me if I am wrong here but the testers were working for free, correct. If MS (or any other company for that matter, even Apple), does not want to pay for work, then they take their chances. If they want testers that will follow their rules, they should pay the testers then. Very simple concept.
Oh, yeah, because we know that when you pay someone, they don't steal. If you say, "play nice", they will. If you had a little pink pony...what planet do you live on?
When a guy at work is making $80K and still rips off the company for office supplies, toner for his printer at home, and makes up receipts for his last business trip to cover the $40 in singles he used to tip a stripper in Tampa, you think this is going to work?
believe it or not, computer networks can be used for things other than gaming!
But, it IS for the games. Real games. As in real, old-time games held in Greece, Rome, Mayan ball courts. Our games use real assets. You are so screwed.
Read the parent, he started his by saying that was he tended to anti-corporation. His was a response to the "conspiracy theory" angles mentioned before his. Sometimes a good thread history is order.
I'm not anti-corporation. I love corporations, capitalism, and money. But, one of the main reasons ideas like this get buried is because the person explaining the idea is incapable of explaining it to those who would back him/her. Call it PHB syndrome.
Saw this at HP. Someone comes up with a brilliant piece of technology. It goes nowhere. Two years later, another person with some added marketing ability comes up with the same idea and it takes off. Then the first person says, "But, I came up with that, here are the drawings and emails." Sure enough, he did, but it was so misunderstood at the time that nobody could grasp the idea.
Also, placing yourself in a good position to be heard helps. One guy at HP was a world class crackpot. For every good idea he had, he was flooding his managers with 100 ideas that ran the gamout from Rube Goldberg, conspiracies, implementation prohibitive schemes to down-right illegal-by-the-laws-of-physics-and-animal-husbandr y. Needless to say, he was ignored most of the time.
Hey, what brilliant logic. Let's apply it to something else! Say you're a tailor, and Mr. Jones comes in for a suit, for which he pays you $1200. The suit is so impressive-looking that it seals the deal at Mr. Jones's job interview that afternoon, and he ends up landing a $500,000/yr position. Clearly that suit had a lot more value than you thought at first, right? So tell me, how much of that $500,000 does Mr. Jones owe you each year? He might not have gotten the position at all if he hadn't worn it, so does he owe you his entire income?
Very bad comparison, and not a logical progression on the idea. But, that doesn't stop those in your crowd from using such idiotic examples.
Your argument, applied to music would have you buying the CD and paying each time you listen to it. No, the only time you pay for it again, is if you buy the disc again. If you don't want to pay for the music again, take care of your CDs, or make a fair-use back up copy of it and store the original. But, to claim some nonexistant right to software that you have not payed the required fee for is dishonest, immoral, theft, anti-social, and in many cases, a crime.
A better comparison is the taylor designs the suit pattern and licenses it. It becomes popular, for every suit sold with that pattern, he gets a cut. Later, the suit comes back in style, if the license is still valid, he still gets a cut of each suit sold that used the same pattern.
Good luck, in life, with your economic model. It doesn't work in the real world, but if it makes you happy, more power to you. You'll earn some cache with some in your community, maybe some recognition, but, son, the world operates on money, and you can be more effective, globally, with some cash backing you up. Think of the hunger you can help with, the disease, the poverty, if you can make money in a wealthy part of the world, and redistribute it to a poor part. That's why I demand money for my efforts, and enforce my licenses, and sue the thieves.
Try being a force for good and wealth in the world, rather than fighting it because you envy it...but, your father was probably right.
Contact your local congressman. There is so much military presence in Tampa/St. Pete. that they must have a program there. You can start by asking his/her advice, kind of the same way you start mining local managers for job leads. But, if you have a congressman that is not so good at getting money like that for programs, you may have to see what you can find from the private sector.
And back towards the selfish "I'm lazy so you have to keep paying me for work I did years ago" crowd?
Your envy is showing.
If what they produced years ago is still selling, that only means it still has value, and people still want it. So, why not get paid for it? You should try producing something of value that will be around for awhile. Bet you could do it. You just have to get off your...well, your father was probably right.
At least someone is teaching ethics. Nice to see the pedulum might be swinging back away from the selfish "I want it so I have a right to copy it" crowd.
In my industry, one of the companies we do business with, hires young, under-educated developers. They train them through actual work projects that are funded through the government. A local congressman is very apt at getting money and projects for them.
Now, while we don't hire cert school grads, and never those fresh out of college, we do hire these guys from them. Why? Proven experience, verifiable skills, and they know the industry we work in, and have been able to deliver on tight, sensitive deadlines.
My company cannot afford those, but we act as a next tier for those companies, so they keep giving the under-privileged jobs and we keep taking them up to the next several levels. (One of those started at $32k a year at said company, spent 2 years there, developing. We hired him away from them at $64k. He was just hired away from us at $90k. He had no degree, no certs, but a great mind. Where is he going to be in a few years?)
I would tell someone just starting to look at working at company that picks up "government" jobs that have funding from congress.
Kind of a side note, but, for what it cost the taxpayers to train the one example I mentioned, he has now paid back in taxes and then some. Not bad for tax money, better than a "Robert C. Byrd Library" and a "Nancy Pelosi Municipal Piss Pot".
(The apt congressman is Norm Dicks (D), Washington.)
...out-of-work truck drivers, ex-cons, the chronically under-employeed...
Well gosh, you wouldn't want to hire any of those people.
You are dead right, I don't want to hire them, and, I do not. I am not running a social service. I manage people in a very intense, clearance required business. I will training someone who has some experience and aptitude in IT and development. But, I will not hire unknowns. That includes those fresh out of school.
Only a fifth of my crew are degreed. But, the average experience each has in the industry is 12 years each.
No, I will not hire the out-of-work truck drivers, ex-cons, and problem employees.
As a mid-level manager, I have yet to hire anyone with a certificate. We do hire people with proven skills. Prospective developers are given a few problems to solve to see how they solve it.
I did work for a company that hired only those with certificates. Not too many skilled there.
The problem with certificate schools is that state and federal job training agencies send out-of-work truck drivers, ex-cons, the chronically under-employeed to get trained in networking, programming, or project management. Then, there are the certificate schools that are just scams.
BTW, did you know that we lock up a greater percentage of our population that the Soviet Union did?
Nice try, comrade. Folks, you just witnessed an exemplar case of making statistics say what you want.
We, in the USA, lock up our criminals, not our politically undesireable. We don't send entire families to gulags. We don't execute or exile our Jews, gays, and minorities. Were exiles (internal) counted in your prison figures? I bet not.
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Do try to remember, it never happened. Good reason, too, we had MAD. Despite what the liberals say about it, both countries understood and it kept them at the peace tables until it was all hammered out.
Japan was trying to get there. They had labs in Korea during WWII. But, that said, back then, your deliver system was severely limited and the weapons were very heavy.
Current day: Russia probably does not have a reliable delivery system, but they would probably not get involved in a war for the same old reasons. China has delivery capabilities to a point. North Korea, Japan could fart and knock down what they have in North Korea. And, if you think Japan will let NK get a reliable delivery system or an actual weapon, you're not paying attention. Current intelligence assessments of Iran are that they are incapable of delivering their imaginary weapons. They have a few years to get ONE.
I've been at the business of defense for over 20 years. I played duck and cover drills in elementary school in the early 60's. Your kind have always been playing the "what if..." card to the most absurd and extreme point. Your dire predictions have never come true. The nut jobs tried so hard to demonize Reagan and were praying that he'd start a war so that they could be proved right. They were wrong. And, you are still.
Any example can be taken to level that it no longer works.
After Hiroshima and Nagasaki, 1. Never happened, 2. Never happened, 3. Was localized and while levels increased, nothing really came out of it except for those directly involved in the blast or recovery.
Uh, sparky? Have you check the price of a barrel lately. It is lower than it was when we were complaining about $2.50 gallons. The price of gasoline is directly related to oil companies, corrupt politicians (Bush and Cheney come to mind), and the every decreasing number of refineries the oil companies can build and maintain.
We nuked Japan. They stopped fighting. We won. The world actually won. There are only 2 countries, and both of those might not have the abilities they used to have, that could even strike back to the degree that you mention.
Using fiction as a philosophical underpinning is difficult at best. Usually one illustrates their philosophy with a cautionary fictional tale. They usually go astray when they rely upon the tale as their philosophy.
Great, someone who relies on movies for their philosophical validation.
I find Dvorak a bit tedious. For coding, I prefer Williams, John, not Andy. Sometimes I listen to something light like Bocelli. Moody Blues. But, never metal when I'm coding.
It would be bad, boring, and lacking in humanity. But, it would be peaceful. But, peace without fulfillment and challenge is Hell on Earth.
Besides, neither of us is in danger of it actually happening in our lifetime or in the lifetimes of our children for next 100 generations, and probably a 100 generations after that.
It would be bad, boring, and lacking humanity. But, it would be peaceful.
Son, I've served my hitch. More than once. But, I still carry, and I still defend. And, /. is in dire need of some opposing views. Don't like it? Fine, I served so you can be an ass about others rights and service. If I had a ribbon and bow, I'd wrap it for you. But, I'm not even going to hold out for a "thank-you" from someone like you.
Bullshit and liberal psycho-babble claptrap.
You get in fight, the other guy is bleeding more than you are and down for the count - You Win!
You get sued, the other guy loses more money than you - You Win!
You get into a war, you nuke the other guy into submission - You Win!
Yes, in each of these situations you lose something, blood, money, time, people, and equipment, but the other guy is worse off? You Win!
The only place your philosophy works is also the only place pacifism works, in a theoretical la-la world of perfect situations where everyone else thinks like you (god forbid that ever happens). The pacifist says, "I will not let you make me fight. Not even to defend myself." In your La-la World, the opposition says, "Gee, golly, gosh, he really means it, how could we ever think of carrying on in our evil plots? Let's sing kumbaya. Sorry." In the real world, the opposition says, "Great, kill this guy first. He's just a trouble maker. Now, let the tanks roll." The problem with pacifist is that for them to continue on existing and trying to make their philosophy work and propogate is that people like me, willing to carry a gun, willing to sign up and deploy, willing to kill the other guy and break his stuff must defend his sorry ass even while he decries me for doing so.
Wars are not only won, but spectularly so.
Oh, yeah, because we know that when you pay someone, they don't steal. If you say, "play nice", they will. If you had a little pink pony...what planet do you live on?
When a guy at work is making $80K and still rips off the company for office supplies, toner for his printer at home, and makes up receipts for his last business trip to cover the $40 in singles he used to tip a stripper in Tampa, you think this is going to work?
Go home. Just shut up and go home.
God damn it, I wish I still had my mod points. Next time, try posting when I still have them. Ok?
But, it IS for the games. Real games. As in real, old-time games held in Greece, Rome, Mayan ball courts. Our games use real assets. You are so screwed.
"Jail" in this case be spelled suspiciously like that little American enclave in Cuba. Say "Say hallo to my leettle Al Qaeda Friend."
Another standard that will break Opera.
Of course not. I'm refering to those trying to get their superiors to buy off on an idea. This guy's Soviet Masters were the PHBs.
Read the parent, he started his by saying that was he tended to anti-corporation. His was a response to the "conspiracy theory" angles mentioned before his. Sometimes a good thread history is order.
I'm not anti-corporation. I love corporations, capitalism, and money. But, one of the main reasons ideas like this get buried is because the person explaining the idea is incapable of explaining it to those who would back him/her. Call it PHB syndrome.
Saw this at HP. Someone comes up with a brilliant piece of technology. It goes nowhere. Two years later, another person with some added marketing ability comes up with the same idea and it takes off. Then the first person says, "But, I came up with that, here are the drawings and emails." Sure enough, he did, but it was so misunderstood at the time that nobody could grasp the idea.
Also, placing yourself in a good position to be heard helps. One guy at HP was a world class crackpot. For every good idea he had, he was flooding his managers with 100 ideas that ran the gamout from Rube Goldberg, conspiracies, implementation prohibitive schemes to down-right illegal-by-the-laws-of-physics-and-animal-husbandr y. Needless to say, he was ignored most of the time.
Very bad comparison, and not a logical progression on the idea. But, that doesn't stop those in your crowd from using such idiotic examples.
Your argument, applied to music would have you buying the CD and paying each time you listen to it. No, the only time you pay for it again, is if you buy the disc again. If you don't want to pay for the music again, take care of your CDs, or make a fair-use back up copy of it and store the original. But, to claim some nonexistant right to software that you have not payed the required fee for is dishonest, immoral, theft, anti-social, and in many cases, a crime.
A better comparison is the taylor designs the suit pattern and licenses it. It becomes popular, for every suit sold with that pattern, he gets a cut. Later, the suit comes back in style, if the license is still valid, he still gets a cut of each suit sold that used the same pattern.
Good luck, in life, with your economic model. It doesn't work in the real world, but if it makes you happy, more power to you. You'll earn some cache with some in your community, maybe some recognition, but, son, the world operates on money, and you can be more effective, globally, with some cash backing you up. Think of the hunger you can help with, the disease, the poverty, if you can make money in a wealthy part of the world, and redistribute it to a poor part. That's why I demand money for my efforts, and enforce my licenses, and sue the thieves.
Try being a force for good and wealth in the world, rather than fighting it because you envy it...but, your father was probably right.
Contact your local congressman. There is so much military presence in Tampa/St. Pete. that they must have a program there. You can start by asking his/her advice, kind of the same way you start mining local managers for job leads. But, if you have a congressman that is not so good at getting money like that for programs, you may have to see what you can find from the private sector.
Warning, you'll be working well under $20/hour.
Your envy is showing.
If what they produced years ago is still selling, that only means it still has value, and people still want it. So, why not get paid for it? You should try producing something of value that will be around for awhile. Bet you could do it. You just have to get off your...well, your father was probably right.
At least someone is teaching ethics. Nice to see the pedulum might be swinging back away from the selfish "I want it so I have a right to copy it" crowd.
In my industry, one of the companies we do business with, hires young, under-educated developers. They train them through actual work projects that are funded through the government. A local congressman is very apt at getting money and projects for them.
Now, while we don't hire cert school grads, and never those fresh out of college, we do hire these guys from them. Why? Proven experience, verifiable skills, and they know the industry we work in, and have been able to deliver on tight, sensitive deadlines.
My company cannot afford those, but we act as a next tier for those companies, so they keep giving the under-privileged jobs and we keep taking them up to the next several levels. (One of those started at $32k a year at said company, spent 2 years there, developing. We hired him away from them at $64k. He was just hired away from us at $90k. He had no degree, no certs, but a great mind. Where is he going to be in a few years?)
I would tell someone just starting to look at working at company that picks up "government" jobs that have funding from congress.
Kind of a side note, but, for what it cost the taxpayers to train the one example I mentioned, he has now paid back in taxes and then some. Not bad for tax money, better than a "Robert C. Byrd Library" and a "Nancy Pelosi Municipal Piss Pot".
(The apt congressman is Norm Dicks (D), Washington.)
You are dead right, I don't want to hire them, and, I do not. I am not running a social service. I manage people in a very intense, clearance required business. I will training someone who has some experience and aptitude in IT and development. But, I will not hire unknowns. That includes those fresh out of school.
Only a fifth of my crew are degreed. But, the average experience each has in the industry is 12 years each.
No, I will not hire the out-of-work truck drivers, ex-cons, and problem employees.
As a mid-level manager, I have yet to hire anyone with a certificate. We do hire people with proven skills. Prospective developers are given a few problems to solve to see how they solve it.
I did work for a company that hired only those with certificates. Not too many skilled there.
The problem with certificate schools is that state and federal job training agencies send out-of-work truck drivers, ex-cons, the chronically under-employeed to get trained in networking, programming, or project management. Then, there are the certificate schools that are just scams.
Nice try, comrade. Folks, you just witnessed an exemplar case of making statistics say what you want.
We, in the USA, lock up our criminals, not our politically undesireable. We don't send entire families to gulags. We don't execute or exile our Jews, gays, and minorities. Were exiles (internal) counted in your prison figures? I bet not.