When uneducated people talk about Fascism, they envision swastikas and marching stormtroopers. When educated people talk about Fascism, they talk about mandatory conformity to dogmatic ideas, threats of violence to enforce conformance, and lack of regard for individualism.
Your behavior fits my understanding of Fascism and I find it deeply ironic that you probably self-identify as anti-fascist.
Crash long since over, but unemployment remained. Why? Because jobs that traditionally come back after recession were replaced by automation. If you look at all previous crashes, this labor market behavior wasn't there.
Baseless paranoia is an uncharitable mischaracterization. Paranoia? Sure, I will grant you as much. However, it is based on a long term employment trends. See Unemployment data.
I can afford to pay. I doubt that FB make more than $10/year by selling me out, and would easily pay $10/year for the utility of FB if they excluded me from all sell-out activity.
You would be foolish to trust FB to not charge you a fee and continue selling your data.
"Scientifically valid" is an impossible standard for predicting future. I could ask you the same...
Historical precedent. That's how science works.... you make observations, record them, and use those results to predict how things will go next time.
We will have a very clear idea what is going to happen the next time agrarian society discovers steam. We won't have nearly as clear picture what happens when industrial society develops start-to-finish automation.
The model used for one is not really applicable to other cases. It is not unlike applying Darwinism to human societies - the outcome isn't clear and you should expect deviations from the predicted result. Otherwise we would all have ultra-fit societies today.
Comments like that really aren't helpful at this stage, and could be deeply hurtful if any of the victim's friends or family read them. Please engage your brain before posting.
You are mistaken, I am not trying to be helpful to victim's friends or family and this discussion isn't intended to be replacement for a support group. Not everything must be about feelings and healing.
"Scientifically valid" is an impossible standard for predicting future. I could ask you the same, and you would be equally incapable of meeting it.
To address your question, I believe that upcoming automation is categorically different. It is at or almost at 100% complete. In the past, automation was a multiplier on worker's productivity. You could enable workers to do more, but you still needed workers. This automation eliminates workers and can produce goods start to finish.
Who do you think going to get these long-term benefits? If you look at the wealth inequality trends, it is clear that short term pain will be all for displaced workers, and long term benefits are going to exclusively go to the top 1%.
Unless society also becomes more egalitarian as result of automation (and there is no reason to believe ti would do so), automation will lead to just permanent screwing of some percentage of workers insofar as 99% of population is concerned.
Look at the pictures of accident. The car drove into a concrete divider on a clear day with a clear lane in front of it. There was absolutely no reason to expect it would do so.
Because he paid $120,000 for it. The real question is why is Tesla putting out a faulty expensive product and beta testing it on our roads?
This. Unless there was something unique about circumstances that lead to a fatal crash, it is reasonable to assume that non-faulty self-driving car on a clear day would not ram itself into a divider killing everyone involved.
Warning to take control are only good for defending against lawsuits. They are not actually useful due to desensitization / "crying wolf" phenomenon. If Tesla was serious about it, they would have implemented "Red Alert, High Probability of Crash" warning, not some BS "put your hands on the steering wheel" nag.
Trump is not wrong on effects of Amazon and also its local tax-dodging, but his objections are tainted by his very clear political motivation. He is after Bezos as a revenge for The Washington Post coverage.
I think you are engaging in magical thinking. It is possible that there is a miracle solution/black swan event that would set things right. However, when planning for the future it is not reasonable to assume that such event will happen.
Traditional models of capitalism assume that it takes both labor and capital to create wealth. With automation, you largely can eliminate labor and use capital to directly create wealth. We don't have any models that can predict the outcome in such situation. I speculate that we will have a dozen or so people in the world controlling all the wealth and means of production. The rest will depend on their benevolence.
There will be new jobs for descendants of people who manage to hold on to jobs. Escaping slums will likely be impossible. How would slum-dwellers afford an education? How would slum-dwellers compete with native techno-citizens in technological knowledge-based marketplace?
The future won't be kind to you due to your lack of reading comprehension. You should start preparing for automation right away, as you are likely be first to go.
What I wrote is understood as: As automation gets better, the IQ of individuals that are being priced out of the market by smarter machines will approach and overtake the median. Meaning, as machines get smarter, more bigger percentage of people will lose jobs. Meaning, dumb people and not so dumb people will be out of work as machines get smarter.
Libertarian ideals don't work when things get sufficiently bad for large number of people. The reason you are able to work is that other members of society agreed to not violently murder you. If they get desperate enough, this social contract won't be respected. So you will have to implement police state to hold them in check, and that in turn will be also used against you.
Even if we set our morals aside, let them starve is not a solution. Violence doesn't require skill. You can be very effective at enacting violence with minimal skill and training. So you have crime through the roof. At that point your choices are police state with make-work or kill drones.
It is unlikely that people would willingly assume neo-serf roles. It is much more likely that violent collapse of society followed by some kind of *ism.
AI and automation will result in a walled corporate cities protected by private security forces surrounded by slums where the remaining 75% of unemployed society will be trying to eek out gig and sustenance living economy.
It is absurd myth that there will be new types of jobs. Just look at laid off coal miners or rust belt manufacturing workers. They are pretty much done for, and for multiple generations. The same will happen to office workers.
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We need more virtue signaling from them
Can you please outline how you envision more virtue signaling from them without getting into outright illegal territory?
When uneducated people talk about Fascism, they envision swastikas and marching stormtroopers. When educated people talk about Fascism, they talk about mandatory conformity to dogmatic ideas, threats of violence to enforce conformance, and lack of regard for individualism.
Your behavior fits my understanding of Fascism and I find it deeply ironic that you probably self-identify as anti-fascist.
Do you have numbers on manufacturing capacity to illustrate your point?
Digital computing is reaching a dead end now.
Not until Netcraft confirms it.
Crash long since over, but unemployment remained. Why? Because jobs that traditionally come back after recession were replaced by automation. If you look at all previous crashes, this labor market behavior wasn't there.
Baseless paranoia is an uncharitable mischaracterization. Paranoia? Sure, I will grant you as much. However, it is based on a long term employment trends. See Unemployment data.
I can afford to pay. I doubt that FB make more than $10/year by selling me out, and would easily pay $10/year for the utility of FB if they excluded me from all sell-out activity.
You would be foolish to trust FB to not charge you a fee and continue selling your data.
Historical precedent. That's how science works.... you make observations, record them, and use those results to predict how things will go next time.
We will have a very clear idea what is going to happen the next time agrarian society discovers steam. We won't have nearly as clear picture what happens when industrial society develops start-to-finish automation.
The model used for one is not really applicable to other cases. It is not unlike applying Darwinism to human societies - the outcome isn't clear and you should expect deviations from the predicted result. Otherwise we would all have ultra-fit societies today.
Comments like that really aren't helpful at this stage, and could be deeply hurtful if any of the victim's friends or family read them. Please engage your brain before posting.
You are mistaken, I am not trying to be helpful to victim's friends or family and this discussion isn't intended to be replacement for a support group. Not everything must be about feelings and healing.
"Scientifically valid" is an impossible standard for predicting future. I could ask you the same, and you would be equally incapable of meeting it.
To address your question, I believe that upcoming automation is categorically different. It is at or almost at 100% complete. In the past, automation was a multiplier on worker's productivity. You could enable workers to do more, but you still needed workers. This automation eliminates workers and can produce goods start to finish.
the long term benefits still outweigh it.
Who do you think going to get these long-term benefits? If you look at the wealth inequality trends, it is clear that short term pain will be all for displaced workers, and long term benefits are going to exclusively go to the top 1%.
Unless society also becomes more egalitarian as result of automation (and there is no reason to believe ti would do so), automation will lead to just permanent screwing of some percentage of workers insofar as 99% of population is concerned.
Look at the pictures of accident. The car drove into a concrete divider on a clear day with a clear lane in front of it. There was absolutely no reason to expect it would do so.
Because he paid $120,000 for it. The real question is why is Tesla putting out a faulty expensive product and beta testing it on our roads?
This. Unless there was something unique about circumstances that lead to a fatal crash, it is reasonable to assume that non-faulty self-driving car on a clear day would not ram itself into a divider killing everyone involved.
Warning to take control are only good for defending against lawsuits. They are not actually useful due to desensitization / "crying wolf" phenomenon. If Tesla was serious about it, they would have implemented "Red Alert, High Probability of Crash" warning, not some BS "put your hands on the steering wheel" nag.
Long-term standard of living went up. However, that is generations away and looking at history it is clear that displaced workers get screwed.
Trump is not wrong on effects of Amazon and also its local tax-dodging, but his objections are tainted by his very clear political motivation. He is after Bezos as a revenge for The Washington Post coverage.
I think you are engaging in magical thinking. It is possible that there is a miracle solution/black swan event that would set things right. However, when planning for the future it is not reasonable to assume that such event will happen.
Traditional models of capitalism assume that it takes both labor and capital to create wealth. With automation, you largely can eliminate labor and use capital to directly create wealth. We don't have any models that can predict the outcome in such situation. I speculate that we will have a dozen or so people in the world controlling all the wealth and means of production. The rest will depend on their benevolence.
There will be new jobs for descendants of people who manage to hold on to jobs. Escaping slums will likely be impossible. How would slum-dwellers afford an education? How would slum-dwellers compete with native techno-citizens in technological knowledge-based marketplace?
Pretty much, only corrugated aluminum will be seen as a luxury. It will be old car parts and old roof tiles for anyone non upper-middle class.
The future won't be kind to you due to your lack of reading comprehension. You should start preparing for automation right away, as you are likely be first to go.
What I wrote is understood as: As automation gets better, the IQ of individuals that are being priced out of the market by smarter machines will approach and overtake the median. Meaning, as machines get smarter, more bigger percentage of people will lose jobs. Meaning, dumb people and not so dumb people will be out of work as machines get smarter.
Libertarian ideals don't work when things get sufficiently bad for large number of people. The reason you are able to work is that other members of society agreed to not violently murder you. If they get desperate enough, this social contract won't be respected. So you will have to implement police state to hold them in check, and that in turn will be also used against you.
Even if we set our morals aside, let them starve is not a solution. Violence doesn't require skill. You can be very effective at enacting violence with minimal skill and training. So you have crime through the roof. At that point your choices are police state with make-work or kill drones.
Neo-feudalism
It is unlikely that people would willingly assume neo-serf roles. It is much more likely that violent collapse of society followed by some kind of *ism.
As automation gets better, "low-IQ" you are talking about can quickly overtake median.
AI and automation will result in a walled corporate cities protected by private security forces surrounded by slums where the remaining 75% of unemployed society will be trying to eek out gig and sustenance living economy.
It is absurd myth that there will be new types of jobs. Just look at laid off coal miners or rust belt manufacturing workers. They are pretty much done for, and for multiple generations. The same will happen to office workers.