Yep but Moses is the guy that was meant to have written down the first 5 books of the bible, and he was supposedly on speaking terms with God, so you'd think he'd get it right?
While I'm all for literal reading of the bible, I think trying to be overtly literal is just as bad (just like lawyers finding loopholes to allow things that clearly go against the spirit of a law).
IMO the intention of that statement is very clear. It would be like saying "modern society has abandoned the use of horses for the motorcar" - even if you've never personally used a horse, you are still included in that statement if you drive a car.
The bible doesn't really mention pedophilia AFAIK, though I have heard some say that Mary (ie the mother of Jesus rather than any of the others) was something like 14/15 when she had Jesus. Getting married young was pretty common back then.
Also here in the UK 16 is the age at which you're allowed to have sex. It's all pretty abitrary..
Moses is the supposed author of Genesis and Leviticus. The other quotes are all letters so yes they were all written down "immediately".
AFAIK the translations are done from earliest source where possible. The ministers of the denomination I used to belong to often had studied Hebrew, Greek etc. Christians should quit trying to weasel out of any passages they're uncomfortable with. The sentiment behind these passages is clear.
discriminating against both homosexuals and people who just don't believe in marriage.
Who cares if you don't "believe" in it. If someone told me there was some form I could fill in to get more money by proclaiming that I am a loyal subject of the FSM, I'd do it.
Christianity is grossly misrepresented by the majority of the bible thumpers that have made themselves more visible by their extremism. Hate in any fashion was never preached by Jesus.
Having spent over 20 years of my life attending church, and personal reading of the bible, I can say that a lot of these "bible thumpers" are accurately portraying the laws of the bible.
Yes, Jesus in the bible was not about the hate and the punishment, and taught to love your neighbour, enemies and sinners. But there are passages in both the old and new testament that specifically mention homosexual acts, and they are seen as something to be "discouraged" shall we say..
Those that "villify buggery" are no different from those that despise liars and murderers, from a biblical point of view. I can respect that they're standing up for their beliefs rather than pandering to the world, even if their beliefs are dumb. I used to do the same. I'm not sure if the fact that my brother turned out to be gay had anything to do with me losing my faith, I think it probably did. Even when I thought what he was doing was wrong, it didn't make me discriminate against him.
Or perhaps you were just saying that Christians should still be putting people to death. Well, the new testament gets round that by Jesus saying to turn the other cheek, forgive, etc. Though I don't understand why Jews don't still don't seem to do all the sacrificing and stoning and such..
Are you saying that I should be scared for denouncing God, or that the GGP should be scared for claiming God is okay with gays..? I got to the stage where I thought that even if God is real, I wouldn't worship him - because if the bible is true, he's a major douchebag on several counts.
Yeah I've used that before, can't remember why I didn't stick with it. Probably lack of animated emotes, or inconsistency with them displaying on other people's machines. I use aMSN at the moment. The main interface is pretty strange (click a menu then mouse-over another and the original menu stays open), but it's got lots of good features and plugins.
Heh. I was expecting quite a few outraged replies out of the 13 or so I've got so far, but most of them have been quite thoughtful. Yes, it's slightly strange that things like Easter and Christmas were originally pagan festivals that people have claimed as Christian holidays.
Even the new testament criticises homosexual relationships (and the only laws of the old testament that were "updated" in the new testament were ones to do with sacrifices and what you could put into your body).
I just Googled to find passages and opinions on it. One site tries to say that the bible is simply criticising non-Christian worship practices when it complains about same sex relationships, but that's clearly a load of horse shit. It would just say so if that was the case.
It also tries to claim that the passage about Sodom and Gomorrah is nothing to do with Sodomy and that "know" literally means know rather than "have sex with", when Lot clearly offers his daughters to "do with what you will" instead of the men.
I don't believe in any of it any more, but like I said I find it pathetic when people try to twist their own scriptures to make them more politically correct instead of just manning up. If you don't agree with your scriptures, then stop worshipping your bigoted God.
You can try to twist it all you want, but Sodomy has that name for a reason. There is also at least one passage in the New Testament that decries homosexual relationships, not to mention a few that denigrate women.
Note that I'm not even a Christian any more, but I find it pathetic that people are trying to twist the bible to suit their own agendas and make it more politically acceptable rather than just standing up for what it says. At least when I was religious I stood up for my beliefs. I can respect people who stand up for themselves in the face of oppression.
PS I've "read Leviticus in its entirety" several times.
Christianity is a dumb one to mention, seeing as the bible is clearly anti-asspounding. You might as well complain about the government not giving special tax breaks for all the other "sins" too.
You don't like it and guess what? Thanks to Apple, the slate format is super hot right now and you will likely be able to get what you want from a different manufacturer.
This is what I've thought about the iPhone. I'll never buy one (unless they open up the OS and include a physical keyboard), but I've thought for years that phone UIs suck. We've had cool touchscreen smartphone/PDAs for years, but it's only since the iPhone came out that they became pleasant to use.
Now tablets are actually being given a real go at last too (though it remains to be seen whether it's all just a fad):)
I think many people get iPhones on a contract/credit, they're not that well off. Some of the poorest people I've known over the last few years have had fancy phones on a contract.
That allows us to use two hands, or rest it on our knee, or lap, or the arm of the couch, or a table, or to use it in a wide variety of comfortable, natural postures that are impossible with a keyboard-driven device.
How is having to prop it up by hand/look straight down any more natural than the screen supporting itself at a decent angle (still not as good as using a monitor of course) on your lap? I do like the tablet concept, but there are few situations where it truly has an advantage over a netbook, and many situations where it can't comfortably compete.
My flatmate has been watching TV on his iPad and he tends to lay it flat on the sofa or a table and peer down into it.. doesn't seem any more "natural" to me. Even less natural is that we have 42" TV and surround sound system in the room that he could connect the thing up to, but it seems that he's trying to justify his purchase by watching stuff in the kitchen and his bedroom instead..
It's weird when he does stuff like complain about lack of features and restrictions in what apps can do (because of OS limitations) one minute, and then say how he "loves" his iPad the next. If he had a Windows or Linux based device he would have apps with those features. If he'd got a Dell Mini 10 he'd have a nice widescreen device including a keyboard and the same 10 hour battery life, but without all the restrictions.
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Yep but Moses is the guy that was meant to have written down the first 5 books of the bible, and he was supposedly on speaking terms with God, so you'd think he'd get it right?
While I'm all for literal reading of the bible, I think trying to be overtly literal is just as bad (just like lawyers finding loopholes to allow things that clearly go against the spirit of a law).
IMO the intention of that statement is very clear. It would be like saying "modern society has abandoned the use of horses for the motorcar" - even if you've never personally used a horse, you are still included in that statement if you drive a car.
Not to mention the rabbits and eggs at Easter as a celebration of fertility rather than a symbol of the rock being rolled from Jesus' tomb.
Nah it wasn't "God's kid" in Sodom, unless you mean kid kind of like "God's boy" in the gangsta sense.
an unmarried guy living with female roommates was somehow at high risk for "catching gay"
That's hilarious :D
"Man bed" seems pretty clear cut to me..
As long as you're not watching pr4wn
The bible doesn't really mention pedophilia AFAIK, though I have heard some say that Mary (ie the mother of Jesus rather than any of the others) was something like 14/15 when she had Jesus. Getting married young was pretty common back then.
Also here in the UK 16 is the age at which you're allowed to have sex. It's all pretty abitrary..
Moses is the supposed author of Genesis and Leviticus. The other quotes are all letters so yes they were all written down "immediately".
AFAIK the translations are done from earliest source where possible. The ministers of the denomination I used to belong to often had studied Hebrew, Greek etc. Christians should quit trying to weasel out of any passages they're uncomfortable with. The sentiment behind these passages is clear.
But then it's unfair to those of us who can't find partners!
discriminating against both homosexuals and people who just don't believe in marriage.
Who cares if you don't "believe" in it. If someone told me there was some form I could fill in to get more money by proclaiming that I am a loyal subject of the FSM, I'd do it.
Christianity is grossly misrepresented by the majority of the bible thumpers that have made themselves more visible by their extremism. Hate in any fashion was never preached by Jesus.
Having spent over 20 years of my life attending church, and personal reading of the bible, I can say that a lot of these "bible thumpers" are accurately portraying the laws of the bible.
Yes, Jesus in the bible was not about the hate and the punishment, and taught to love your neighbour, enemies and sinners. But there are passages in both the old and new testament that specifically mention homosexual acts, and they are seen as something to be "discouraged" shall we say..
Those that "villify buggery" are no different from those that despise liars and murderers, from a biblical point of view. I can respect that they're standing up for their beliefs rather than pandering to the world, even if their beliefs are dumb. I used to do the same. I'm not sure if the fact that my brother turned out to be gay had anything to do with me losing my faith, I think it probably did. Even when I thought what he was doing was wrong, it didn't make me discriminate against him.
Jus' sayin ;)
Or perhaps you were just saying that Christians should still be putting people to death. Well, the new testament gets round that by Jesus saying to turn the other cheek, forgive, etc. Though I don't understand why Jews don't still don't seem to do all the sacrificing and stoning and such..
Are you saying that I should be scared for denouncing God, or that the GGP should be scared for claiming God is okay with gays..? I got to the stage where I thought that even if God is real, I wouldn't worship him - because if the bible is true, he's a major douchebag on several counts.
Yeah I've used that before, can't remember why I didn't stick with it. Probably lack of animated emotes, or inconsistency with them displaying on other people's machines. I use aMSN at the moment. The main interface is pretty strange (click a menu then mouse-over another and the original menu stays open), but it's got lots of good features and plugins.
Heh. I was expecting quite a few outraged replies out of the 13 or so I've got so far, but most of them have been quite thoughtful. Yes, it's slightly strange that things like Easter and Christmas were originally pagan festivals that people have claimed as Christian holidays.
Possibly. I have a friend who's recently realised he's gay, but he's still not really into the whole anal sex idea so far!
Even the new testament criticises homosexual relationships (and the only laws of the old testament that were "updated" in the new testament were ones to do with sacrifices and what you could put into your body).
I just Googled to find passages and opinions on it. One site tries to say that the bible is simply criticising non-Christian worship practices when it complains about same sex relationships, but that's clearly a load of horse shit. It would just say so if that was the case.
It also tries to claim that the passage about Sodom and Gomorrah is nothing to do with Sodomy and that "know" literally means know rather than "have sex with", when Lot clearly offers his daughters to "do with what you will" instead of the men.
I don't believe in any of it any more, but like I said I find it pathetic when people try to twist their own scriptures to make them more politically correct instead of just manning up. If you don't agree with your scriptures, then stop worshipping your bigoted God.
You can try to twist it all you want, but Sodomy has that name for a reason. There is also at least one passage in the New Testament that decries homosexual relationships, not to mention a few that denigrate women.
Note that I'm not even a Christian any more, but I find it pathetic that people are trying to twist the bible to suit their own agendas and make it more politically acceptable rather than just standing up for what it says. At least when I was religious I stood up for my beliefs. I can respect people who stand up for themselves in the face of oppression.
PS I've "read Leviticus in its entirety" several times.
When I beget my girlfriend
Your girlfriend is also your daughter that you gave birth to? That's pretty messed up.
Probably is if you're a Christian.
You can probably do the same thing with opposite sex friends too.
Christianity is a dumb one to mention, seeing as the bible is clearly anti-asspounding. You might as well complain about the government not giving special tax breaks for all the other "sins" too.
*tries*
No webcam chat, not even voice - not that I care much.
No custom animated smilies on MSN! This is the dealbreaker for me..
I fail to see any improvements since Ubuntu 9.10?
You don't like it and guess what? Thanks to Apple, the slate format is super hot right now and you will likely be able to get what you want from a different manufacturer.
This is what I've thought about the iPhone. I'll never buy one (unless they open up the OS and include a physical keyboard), but I've thought for years that phone UIs suck. We've had cool touchscreen smartphone/PDAs for years, but it's only since the iPhone came out that they became pleasant to use.
Now tablets are actually being given a real go at last too (though it remains to be seen whether it's all just a fad) :)
I think many people get iPhones on a contract/credit, they're not that well off. Some of the poorest people I've known over the last few years have had fancy phones on a contract.
That allows us to use two hands, or rest it on our knee, or lap, or the arm of the couch, or a table, or to use it in a wide variety of comfortable, natural postures that are impossible with a keyboard-driven device.
How is having to prop it up by hand/look straight down any more natural than the screen supporting itself at a decent angle (still not as good as using a monitor of course) on your lap? I do like the tablet concept, but there are few situations where it truly has an advantage over a netbook, and many situations where it can't comfortably compete.
My flatmate has been watching TV on his iPad and he tends to lay it flat on the sofa or a table and peer down into it.. doesn't seem any more "natural" to me. Even less natural is that we have 42" TV and surround sound system in the room that he could connect the thing up to, but it seems that he's trying to justify his purchase by watching stuff in the kitchen and his bedroom instead..
It's weird when he does stuff like complain about lack of features and restrictions in what apps can do (because of OS limitations) one minute, and then say how he "loves" his iPad the next. If he had a Windows or Linux based device he would have apps with those features. If he'd got a Dell Mini 10 he'd have a nice widescreen device including a keyboard and the same 10 hour battery life, but without all the restrictions.