I smoke handrolled... I tried to stop a few times, but the habit of rolling the cigarette is the worst thing to get rid of. So you start rolling (just rolling) to ease the urge. It helps. Until the habit-pattern takes over and next thing you know you've lighted it after finished rolling.
So, what did I learned today? That next time I fail to quit, I can blame my brains... I like that!
That is like another world to me. The company where I work is based in the Netherlands (which is, like Germany, considered a fairly OSS-loving country compared to the US) and I have NEVER found ANY manufacturer / reseller which said it could support Linux (except for one, who said it could but really couldn't). All the companies we contacted where professional and highly rated bussiness-to-bussiness companies (expect for that single one). The point? There simply is no demand for it. Maybe on web-servers, but that is all dedicated crap anyway.
If I were a electronics manufacturer, I'd make sure that the market leader would support me, if that was done and going well I'd look into other OS'es to see if support for them would be cost effective.
I -=| might |=- come up with Linux support if I made server-hardware. That'll be it, because everything else would NOT be cost-effective. The fact that large manufacturers like HP, Dell and Xerox do support Linux (to a limited extent) is purely due to the fact that they have a large userbase so anything is quickly cost effective. A small player will only support Windows until the day when another OS is having more than 10% of the market share for that single product (read: not in the coming 10 years or beyond for consumer hardware).
The guy running SuSE 9.3 sounded like he tried Linux for a grand total of 10 minutes, of course you aren't going to know how everything works in that time frame. Sheesh.
Sorry, but this sound to me as the stereotippic kind of you're-not-smart-enough-to-use-Linux-so-don't-use- Linux-and-stop-bothering-me reply to a real problem for many users.
If you expect a desktop OS, and don't get a GUI working (which is what happened here) it can take a VERY long time on Unices to find out what the heck is wrong, especially without knowing what in Linus name is X-window etcetcetc. I'm only a OSS user because I'm persistent. I had the same experience with X with my first Linux-install, and I took the time to find out what was the matter. Most users do not have the time, patience or knowledge to do this and as long as it is needed, Linux will not become a major player on the desktop outside the geek-community.
Think from the users perspective, then reply. Sheesh.
Exactly, it is not friendly to 'real' OSS-licenses. The good point here is that they are showing the backbones of what might become key technologies here. But what I meant in my previous comment is that everything you do with their sources is essentially subject to the license, which clearly states that no one may use the source or deriative binaries commercially, except Microsoft.
One good point in the license is the copyright and patent protection which it gives to each and any contributor. It also does not prevent anyone (like Sun's Java-licensing and Qt's commercial license I believe) to make 'competitive' products after you have 'signed' the agreement. So technically, one could take a good look at it, trying to figure out how they did it for Windows and do the same for Linux / *BSD. I like that.
Fact remains, this is not OSS, and IMHO, Apple is doing this better.
The Microsoft Research Shared Source license agreement (MSR-SSLA) is actually a license, made by Microsoft, which permit free use of the software and the source (if any) for non-commercial use, provided that any modification are subject to the license (in which Microsoft may make full use of the software).
As such, it is nearly Open Source... but if you make modifications, you are volutarely working for Microsoft.
It should be possible to pull that photo's off the phone using Linux... and I'm pretty damn sure that Wolfenstein will run on Linux with Wine (and I have seen some *nix remakes of the game...)
In so doing, the government 'intends to preserve the security and stability' of the technical underpinnings of the Internet.
although it is a matter of debate, the technical underpinnings are reasonably stable, mainly because they are kept fairly secure. The fact that everyone else is ruining their own systems because they fail to secure them is not the point here.
I wholeheartedly agree with you here (I'm Dutch too), but the linking of the databases is one of the steps taken to reorganize the system. They are going to force several organizations to keep track of each other.
The priority still lies with keeping the children with their parents for as long as this does not harm the child. When there has been abuse, all should be done to prevent the abuse. When that is not possible, the child will be moved to a foster home.
Another newsflash from this department: there is a shortage of foster homes because a lot more children are moved from their parents. So the tendency seems to be going in the 'right' direction.
As for linking the databases: there is a HUGE difference between putting all the information you can get in one huge database and linking all the information you already have gathered. So no gestapo-stories please...
They should put some huge safety requirements on the system though.
Easy there, no one attacked you as a person. No one said you were the republican who would squirm like an eel in boiling water.
I still think you have seriously mixed up socialism and communism. I see that with every American I speak about these things. Maybe that is the price for a two-party system where both parties would be considered right-winged here in Europe.
What about smartphones then? It will need a real-time OS, since I still want to pick up my phone while my kernel is recompiling (or watching a movie for that matter).
That being said, is there any complete open source product out there with such guaranteed latencies?
It's not bullshit, but it is an opinion. Socialism in and of itself is a bad idea. The concept of a planned economy does not work either in it's more true forms or in the bastardized forms as exhibited in the communist countries. The fact is that it's better to allow the market to adjust on it's own to both the needs and desires of the market and the resources available to it. These opions, and I am admittedly not an economist, are derivitaves of those ideas put forth by Adam Smith and economists like him. Ask anyone whose lived in a communist country verses living here, and you'll have support for my opinion. I happen to work with a lot of guys who grew up in Russia and places like that before the wall came down.
Aren't you severely mixing up socialism and communism right now? In fact, we haven't even spoken of true socialism as in the bunch of the European countries it is the social-democrats who ruled them all. Now that is not comparable with communism at all.
Now you talk about the Cold War as if it wasn't real. It happened, and it was the American tax payers, and economy, that bore the brunt of the burden of it istead of Western Europe. The fact is that our mostly Democratic presidents and congress during the Cold War directed our spending to be much higher than theirs. Quite frankly, we couldn't afford it, but they could. You can argue why they spent as they did, but it is a fact.
The Cold War happened, but there was a lot of bullshit mingled with it. It spawned the idea in America that anything left-winged is as bad as Stalin. In Europe, people had a huge fear of the threads of war, not because Russia was that close, but because we were right in between two super-nations.
As for being back at the same level as 1999, well so is France's unemployment. In the 90s it was as high as 12.1, and they got it down as low as 8.7. When they were at that low, we were below 4. The economy under Clinton was great. For the last several years, the wonderful European economy has had almost no growth where as we have continued to have between 2-4 growth in spite of some very tragic events that have happened; and I'm not talking about what happended downtown. The Enron garbage, oil prices, tech bubble burst, and countless other major economic events besides the terrorism troubles have all not stopped the US from having moderate growth.
That is not consistent with the numbers I know. The economic growth here in the Netherlands as never went towards or below zero. The growth just hasn't grown and even lessened somewhat (and is now about 2.5 in the Netherlands, and we are dragging behind the other European economies). That is economic downfall, because growth - and growth of growth - is necessary. The world-economy, including the US, have gone down (as in: lesser growth) since 9-11. The US economy has come over that just a good year sooner than the European. My problem is that the Dutch economy is following a year after the European. And we have now one of the most right-winged government since ages.
I know it should:) I'm having a Sempron 2800+ here (1Gb DDR) so that shouldn't be the problem (at least... I can't image that Sun is writing Solaris for Intel only...)
I get the install running fine, until I reboot and get the not-so-fancy GUI before my nose. It then starts to ask me some question, where it will just hang.
might be the CD's, though I doubt it.
Anyways, I'm glad with FreeBSD:) Just wanted to try it out (BeOS failed on me too, oh well...)
With the risk of sounding too anti-American (even for/.), this sounds truly cold-war-anti-socialist-pseudo-intellectual-econom ic-bullshit to me. After WW-II, the whole lot of western democratic Europe profited greatly from several forms of socialistic government. The fact that the economy had gone down-hill in the last few years says nothing about that.
The European economies have grown fast and heavy in the last 30 years, and are taking a break right now on the heels of the world economy, led by the US economy. Unemployment might be a bit of a problem these days, but in the west of Europe, poverty rates are MUCH lower than in the US.
Socialist regulations did that. And it worked for almost half a century. Look at the charts when you have the chance. We're now back at the same level as we were in 1999. That is not a big downfall. (btw, since 1999, all over Europe governments have reformed the socialistic regulations. Might just have been the wrong decision)
I have been totaly unable to get Solaris installed on any x86-box I tried... But with their hardware, they could survive.
The value they could add to the market is their extreme robustness... Or at least let us believe that. They should however choose between Solaris + SPARC or pure and simple x86 (Opteron and Itanium are doing fine). With the latter I give them a good chance (running Linux, *BSD, Windows, whatever the customer chooses). With the former, they'll die. With a choice in-between, they'll die slowly.
Civil rights and democracy are only at stake when something in the process goes wrong. Normally, it's the Information Agencies that write the law when it comes to terrorism or international espionage.
Recently, there was a stir in the Netherland about the pakistan atomic spy "Khan" (or something) who got all his knowledge from Urenco in the Netherlands. He walked freely, because the CIA wanting him to walk. Then much later, the assistent of court in Amsterdam found out that all the records about him were gone. Just vanished.
He used the information in creating the pakistan atomic bomb. He is believed to have sold his knowledge to Iran and North-Korea. The CIA thought it would be better to let him do his job, so that is what happened. Against all the aplicable international and national laws.
Only when something gets into a civil court, those "civil rights" can kill the prosecution. Normally, the civil court wouldn't be involved at all. MI-5 might just be sharpening their civil knives with this one.
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I smoke handrolled... I tried to stop a few times, but the habit of rolling the cigarette is the worst thing to get rid of. So you start rolling (just rolling) to ease the urge. It helps. Until the habit-pattern takes over and next thing you know you've lighted it after finished rolling.
So, what did I learned today? That next time I fail to quit, I can blame my brains... I like that!
(off rolling...)
Who modded this up as informative? It's downright +10 Funny!
Trolltech's licencing schemes suck
/. when they came up with that name...
They MUST have anticipated to the effect their licensing would have on sites like
That is like another world to me. The company where I work is based in the Netherlands (which is, like Germany, considered a fairly OSS-loving country compared to the US) and I have NEVER found ANY manufacturer / reseller which said it could support Linux (except for one, who said it could but really couldn't). All the companies we contacted where professional and highly rated bussiness-to-bussiness companies (expect for that single one). The point? There simply is no demand for it. Maybe on web-servers, but that is all dedicated crap anyway.
If I were a electronics manufacturer, I'd make sure that the market leader would support me, if that was done and going well I'd look into other OS'es to see if support for them would be cost effective.
I -=| might |=- come up with Linux support if I made server-hardware. That'll be it, because everything else would NOT be cost-effective. The fact that large manufacturers like HP, Dell and Xerox do support Linux (to a limited extent) is purely due to the fact that they have a large userbase so anything is quickly cost effective. A small player will only support Windows until the day when another OS is having more than 10% of the market share for that single product (read: not in the coming 10 years or beyond for consumer hardware).
The guy running SuSE 9.3 sounded like he tried Linux for a grand total of 10 minutes, of course you aren't going to know how everything works in that time frame. Sheesh.
- Linux-and-stop-bothering-me reply to a real problem for many users.
Sorry, but this sound to me as the stereotippic kind of you're-not-smart-enough-to-use-Linux-so-don't-use
If you expect a desktop OS, and don't get a GUI working (which is what happened here) it can take a VERY long time on Unices to find out what the heck is wrong, especially without knowing what in Linus name is X-window etcetcetc. I'm only a OSS user because I'm persistent. I had the same experience with X with my first Linux-install, and I took the time to find out what was the matter. Most users do not have the time, patience or knowledge to do this and as long as it is needed, Linux will not become a major player on the desktop outside the geek-community.
Think from the users perspective, then reply. Sheesh.
Exactly, it is not friendly to 'real' OSS-licenses. The good point here is that they are showing the backbones of what might become key technologies here. But what I meant in my previous comment is that everything you do with their sources is essentially subject to the license, which clearly states that no one may use the source or deriative binaries commercially, except Microsoft.
One good point in the license is the copyright and patent protection which it gives to each and any contributor. It also does not prevent anyone (like Sun's Java-licensing and Qt's commercial license I believe) to make 'competitive' products after you have 'signed' the agreement. So technically, one could take a good look at it, trying to figure out how they did it for Windows and do the same for Linux / *BSD. I like that.
Fact remains, this is not OSS, and IMHO, Apple is doing this better.
The Microsoft Research Shared Source license agreement (MSR-SSLA) is actually a license, made by Microsoft, which permit free use of the software and the source (if any) for non-commercial use, provided that any modification are subject to the license (in which Microsoft may make full use of the software).
As such, it is nearly Open Source... but if you make modifications, you are volutarely working for Microsoft.
not too bad though...
You mean you can get a Xerox Alto and a PDP-11 for a few bucks? Wow... :-O
*g* saw that, 'twas just to tempting... I never saw TV-commercials from neither AMD nor Intel though... but I do not live in the US, so that'll be it.
I never saw an AMD commercial in my whole life. Do they exist?
They do, you just wrote one...
And this won't be any different. Sun is involved, so the damn thing will be Java-powered. Ugly, slow, local-running...
Offcourse, Google is involved too, so it _might_ actually be great. But I have my doubts...
It doesn't collapse. It just interferes. Cookie-wise.
So that's why dual-head didn't work for me... :D
:) I wasn't fully serious... And btw, I'm not even a Linux-user!
Anyway, I already thought you would have some good reasons
I thought I commented on that :) I'm not a gamer at all...
It should be possible to pull that photo's off the phone using Linux... and I'm pretty damn sure that Wolfenstein will run on Linux with Wine (and I have seen some *nix remakes of the game...)
Never mind...
In so doing, the government 'intends to preserve the security and stability' of the technical underpinnings of the Internet.
although it is a matter of debate, the technical underpinnings are reasonably stable, mainly because they are kept fairly secure. The fact that everyone else is ruining their own systems because they fail to secure them is not the point here.
I wholeheartedly agree with you here (I'm Dutch too), but the linking of the databases is one of the steps taken to reorganize the system. They are going to force several organizations to keep track of each other.
The priority still lies with keeping the children with their parents for as long as this does not harm the child. When there has been abuse, all should be done to prevent the abuse. When that is not possible, the child will be moved to a foster home.
Another newsflash from this department: there is a shortage of foster homes because a lot more children are moved from their parents. So the tendency seems to be going in the 'right' direction.
As for linking the databases: there is a HUGE difference between putting all the information you can get in one huge database and linking all the information you already have gathered. So no gestapo-stories please...
They should put some huge safety requirements on the system though.
Easy there, no one attacked you as a person. No one said you were the republican who would squirm like an eel in boiling water.
I still think you have seriously mixed up socialism and communism. I see that with every American I speak about these things. Maybe that is the price for a two-party system where both parties would be considered right-winged here in Europe.
What about smartphones then? It will need a real-time OS, since I still want to pick up my phone while my kernel is recompiling (or watching a movie for that matter).
That being said, is there any complete open source product out there with such guaranteed latencies?
It's not bullshit, but it is an opinion. Socialism in and of itself is a bad idea. The concept of a planned economy does not work either in it's more true forms or in the bastardized forms as exhibited in the communist countries. The fact is that it's better to allow the market to adjust on it's own to both the needs and desires of the market and the resources available to it. These opions, and I am admittedly not an economist, are derivitaves of those ideas put forth by Adam Smith and economists like him. Ask anyone whose lived in a communist country verses living here, and you'll have support for my opinion. I happen to work with a lot of guys who grew up in Russia and places like that before the wall came down.
Aren't you severely mixing up socialism and communism right now? In fact, we haven't even spoken of true socialism as in the bunch of the European countries it is the social-democrats who ruled them all. Now that is not comparable with communism at all.
Now you talk about the Cold War as if it wasn't real. It happened, and it was the American tax payers, and economy, that bore the brunt of the burden of it istead of Western Europe. The fact is that our mostly Democratic presidents and congress during the Cold War directed our spending to be much higher than theirs. Quite frankly, we couldn't afford it, but they could. You can argue why they spent as they did, but it is a fact.
The Cold War happened, but there was a lot of bullshit mingled with it. It spawned the idea in America that anything left-winged is as bad as Stalin. In Europe, people had a huge fear of the threads of war, not because Russia was that close, but because we were right in between two super-nations.
As for being back at the same level as 1999, well so is France's unemployment. In the 90s it was as high as 12.1, and they got it down as low as 8.7. When they were at that low, we were below 4. The economy under Clinton was great. For the last several years, the wonderful European economy has had almost no growth where as we have continued to have between 2-4 growth in spite of some very tragic events that have happened; and I'm not talking about what happended downtown. The Enron garbage, oil prices, tech bubble burst, and countless other major economic events besides the terrorism troubles have all not stopped the US from having moderate growth.
That is not consistent with the numbers I know. The economic growth here in the Netherlands as never went towards or below zero. The growth just hasn't grown and even lessened somewhat (and is now about 2.5 in the Netherlands, and we are dragging behind the other European economies). That is economic downfall, because growth - and growth of growth - is necessary. The world-economy, including the US, have gone down (as in: lesser growth) since 9-11. The US economy has come over that just a good year sooner than the European. My problem is that the Dutch economy is following a year after the European. And we have now one of the most right-winged government since ages.
I know it should :) I'm having a Sempron 2800+ here (1Gb DDR) so that shouldn't be the problem (at least... I can't image that Sun is writing Solaris for Intel only...)
:) Just wanted to try it out (BeOS failed on me too, oh well...)
I get the install running fine, until I reboot and get the not-so-fancy GUI before my nose. It then starts to ask me some question, where it will just hang.
might be the CD's, though I doubt it.
Anyways, I'm glad with FreeBSD
With the risk of sounding too anti-American (even for /.), this sounds truly cold-war-anti-socialist-pseudo-intellectual-econom ic-bullshit to me. After WW-II, the whole lot of western democratic Europe profited greatly from several forms of socialistic government. The fact that the economy had gone down-hill in the last few years says nothing about that.
The European economies have grown fast and heavy in the last 30 years, and are taking a break right now on the heels of the world economy, led by the US economy. Unemployment might be a bit of a problem these days, but in the west of Europe, poverty rates are MUCH lower than in the US.
Socialist regulations did that. And it worked for almost half a century. Look at the charts when you have the chance. We're now back at the same level as we were in 1999. That is not a big downfall. (btw, since 1999, all over Europe governments have reformed the socialistic regulations. Might just have been the wrong decision)
I have been totaly unable to get Solaris installed on any x86-box I tried... But with their hardware, they could survive.
The value they could add to the market is their extreme robustness... Or at least let us believe that. They should however choose between Solaris + SPARC or pure and simple x86 (Opteron and Itanium are doing fine). With the latter I give them a good chance (running Linux, *BSD, Windows, whatever the customer chooses). With the former, they'll die. With a choice in-between, they'll die slowly.
Sparc will die anyway. Just as PowerPC will.
Civil rights and democracy are only at stake when something in the process goes wrong. Normally, it's the Information Agencies that write the law when it comes to terrorism or international espionage.
Recently, there was a stir in the Netherland about the pakistan atomic spy "Khan" (or something) who got all his knowledge from Urenco in the Netherlands. He walked freely, because the CIA wanting him to walk. Then much later, the assistent of court in Amsterdam found out that all the records about him were gone. Just vanished.
He used the information in creating the pakistan atomic bomb. He is believed to have sold his knowledge to Iran and North-Korea. The CIA thought it would be better to let him do his job, so that is what happened. Against all the aplicable international and national laws.
Only when something gets into a civil court, those "civil rights" can kill the prosecution. Normally, the civil court wouldn't be involved at all. MI-5 might just be sharpening their civil knives with this one.