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M.I.T. Explains Why Bad Habits Are Hard to Break

Ant writes "CNET News.com says habitual activity (e.g., smoking, eating fatty foods, gambling, etc.) changes neural activity patterns in a specific region of the brain when habits are formed. These neural patterns created by habit can be changed or altered. But when a stimulus from the old days returns, the dormant pattern can reassert itself, according to a new study from the M.I.T., putting an individual in a neural state akin to being on autopilot... The neural patterns get established in the basal ganglia, a brain region critical to habits, addiction and procedural learning."

231 comments

  1. Kicking the Slashdot Habit by lowy · · Score: 4, Funny

    So removing the Slashdot button from my bookmark bar might not be sufficient?

    1. Re:Kicking the Slashdot Habit by nekoniku · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Prolly not. I read an interview with Brian Eno many years ago where he said he tried to break his habit of watching so much TV by opening the TV set and unscrewing and disconnecting the power cable and by disconnecting the antenna.

      He said he didn't watch any less TV, he just got *really good* at re-wiring the power and antenna cables.

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    2. Re:Kicking the Slashdot Habit by Hrodvitnir · · Score: 1

      F5
      F5
      F5
      F5
      F5

      Tried it. Doesn't work. I found that I'll just leave a dedicated Firefox tab for /. main page.

      F5
      F5
      F5
      F5

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    3. Re:Kicking the Slashdot Habit by Hogwash+McFly · · Score: 4, Funny

      I have a sex addiction.

      I can start anytime I want, I swear!

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    4. Re:Kicking the Slashdot Habit by gstoddart · · Score: 1
      So removing the Slashdot button from my bookmark bar might not be sufficient?

      Probably not. Better post your password and we'll help ensure you don't log back in. :-P
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    5. Re:Kicking the Slashdot Habit by zoogies · · Score: 1

      Hey, I'm getting it and so are you: this marks the first time since I've added a slashdot feed reader to my google homepage that I've read about a piece of news *before* it hit slashdot. YES! I CAN FEEL THE BONDS BREAKING!

    6. Re:Kicking the Slashdot Habit by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm dooomed!!!

    7. Re:Kicking the Slashdot Habit by Nept · · Score: 1

      and why didn't he just chuck the TV out with the rest of the trash?

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    8. Re:Kicking the Slashdot Habit by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Explains why Zonk keeps posting duplicates. This article will be posted again in 3 weeks!

    9. Re:Kicking the Slashdot Habit by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This is embarassing, so I'm posting anonymously.

      At one point I decided the internet takes too much of my time, so I edited my HOSTS file and redirected my most-often visited sites to 127.0.0.1 (yes, one of those sites was slashdot). Again, what happened was, I didn't start browsing less - instead I just wasted time editing the HOSTS file before I started browsing.

      Did I mention I have a major exam in less than a week? God, what am I doing here?

    10. Re:Kicking the Slashdot Habit by Pope · · Score: 1

      Because he wasn't thinking properly.

      I used to to have a pair of sneakers that would always cause me blisters, and yet I kept them around for some reason. Solution? Throw the damn things out, problem solved.

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      It doesn't mean much now, it's built for the future.
  2. mystery solved, I hope this isn't hopeless by yagu · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Disclaimer: posting on slashdot is a hard habit to break... I can't stop.

    Interesting article, but a little thin on details. But if true in some ways I sigh in relief cuz it helps explain:

    • why I always jump to make an early slashdot post
    • why I always used bulleted lists in my posts (check it out!)
    • why "You" always mod me troll or flamebait
    • dupes
    • why I edit everything with vi(m)
    • why crime show dramas beget crime show dramas (just how many nights a week are CSI and Law and Order on these days?)
    • why the Yankees are a perennial playoff team
    • why the Cubs never make the World Series
    • why Larry King marries wife #X
    • why Donald Trump fires Apprentice #X
    • why Steve Ballmer throws chairs across the room
    • why Bob Dylan mumbles instead of sings (kidding)
    • why people wait at all costs and discomfort to get home and take a dump

    Another mystery solved perhaps.

    My followup question is, is it possible to break these patterns, ever? Or are we destined for eternity to be creatures of our own habits? Should we stop buying self-help books?

    1. Re:mystery solved, I hope this isn't hopeless by Rhoon · · Score: 1

      Why there are a lot of dupes...

      Oh, wait...

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    2. Re:mystery solved, I hope this isn't hopeless by aicrules · · Score: 0, Troll
      I can help with some of those...
      why I always jump to make an early slashdot post
      Because earlier posts tend to get the gimp mod points, where as a later post much actually BE interesting or insightful to get modded up. Naturally, you want to be positively recognized with a minimum of effort...

      why "You" always mod me troll or flamebait
      Probably because you head into a post with a bullet list of acidic talking points made purposely to insight strong emotions.

      dupes
      Like the feeling you get from successfully being one of the first ten comment posters, slashdot editors get a similar feeling of achievement from posting their quota of story submissions.

      The consistency of the Yankees in winning can almost enitrely be attributed to the Yankees not sucking. Conversely, the Cubs consistently coming up short is directly related to their complete suckage.

      Your questions on crime shows, Larry King, Donald Trump, and Steve Ballmer are all related to their inexplicable ability to make money despite being complete assholes.

      why people wait at all costs and discomfort to get home and take a dump
      Because of the thoughts that they have when they go to take a leak and someone else is dropping a load. Most people aren't proud of the smell and sounds they produce during #2.

      And finally...
      dupes
      Like the feeling you get from successfully being one of the first ten comment posters, slashdot editors get a similar feeling of achievement from posting their quota of story submissions.

      Hope this helps!
    3. Re:mystery solved, I hope this isn't hopeless by dptalia · · Score: 1

      You can break habits, but it's damned har dand it's very easy to restart them. You may quit smoking for a decade but some impetus will get you started again, almost out of your control. I'm afraid abits are a constant strugle which is why I'm best friends with my local pastry vendor.

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    4. Re:mystery solved, I hope this isn't hopeless by caluml · · Score: 1

      why I always jump to make an early slashdot post - You fail it.
      why people wait at all costs and discomfort to get home and take a dump - Not me - crap on work time, that's the way. Save on toilet paper too.

    5. Re:mystery solved, I hope this isn't hopeless by yali · · Score: 5, Informative
      On a behavioral level, this finding is nothing new. Hermann Ebbinghaus introduced the idea of savings in relearning in the 19th century. This finding has been replicated countless different ways, including being replicated in neural network simulations.

      Nor is it news that this involves neurons. Hint to cnet: all of mental life involves neurons.

      What's scientifically interesting is which neurons are involved. The researchers are trying to map out the circuits involved in order to better understand the underlying process. That is at least potentially interesting.

      My followup question is, is it possible to break these patterns, ever? Or are we destined for eternity to be creatures of our own habits? Should we stop buying self-help books?

      One way to break an association is to develop a competing association. If Stimulus A triggers Response B, then you develop a new association between Stimulus A with Response C. That makes it harder to fall victim to the savings-in-relearning effect when you're faced with Stimulus A in the future, because you won't just be left hanging to try to suppress your impulse to respond with B.

      And yes, you should stop buying self-help books.

    6. Re:mystery solved, I hope this isn't hopeless by karnal · · Score: 1

      ...which is why I'm best friends with my local pastry vendor...

      As long as you're not on that latest Krispy Kreme calendar that has been circulating my inbox, I think you'll be alright.

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    7. Re:mystery solved, I hope this isn't hopeless by drooling-dog · · Score: 2, Funny
      • why people wait at all costs and discomfort to get home and take a dump

      This one is so fundamental that you could actually define "home" as the place where you feel most comfortable taking a dump...

    8. Re:mystery solved, I hope this isn't hopeless by xavid · · Score: 1

      Should we stop buying self-help books? Oops, they've become a habit, it's too late...

    9. Re:mystery solved, I hope this isn't hopeless by dptalia · · Score: 1

      Bah, Krispy Kreme is overrated. I prefer thing with lots of gooey chocolates, and nuts.... ummmm, nuts.... And since I'm female, I'll admit to the double entendre!

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    10. Re:mystery solved, I hope this isn't hopeless by PriceIke · · Score: 1

      > why people wait at all costs and discomfort to get home and take a dump

      And here I thought I was weird for doing that.

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    11. Re:mystery solved, I hope this isn't hopeless by PriceIke · · Score: 1

      She's just teasing, guys. She's married.

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    12. Re:mystery solved, I hope this isn't hopeless by PsiPsiStar · · Score: 1

      Because earlier posts tend to get the gimp mod points, where as a later post much actually BE interesting or insightful to get modded up. Naturally, you want to be positively recognized with a minimum of effort...

      Which brings up an interesting notion. Would it be possible to time when a post was first made, and not allow it to get mod points once, say, 24 hours has passed? That way, first posting would get less of a karma bump.

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    13. Re:mystery solved, I hope this isn't hopeless by zxnos · · Score: 1

      depending on the size of your building and your work ethic it can be a great way to waste 10-20 minutes. so go ahead, smell up the restroom near the office of the guy you dislike. at my first office job i worked with a guy who drank a lot of water. that way he would have an excuse to get up and walk around every 30 minutes.

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    14. Re:mystery solved, I hope this isn't hopeless by ozmanjusri · · Score: 1

      And yes, you should stop buying self-help books.

      I'd like to, but I just can't help myself.

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      "I've got more toys than Teruhisa Kitahara."
    15. Re:mystery solved, I hope this isn't hopeless by musakko · · Score: 1
      Should we stop buying self-help books?

      I will, right after this one..

    16. Re:mystery solved, I hope this isn't hopeless by ProfDD · · Score: 1

      The existing art includes common sense. Self-observation by any reasonably self-aware person will make us to notice that we often revert to an old pattern of behavior. The now retired master of error, James Reason, author of "Absent-minded" and "Human Error", documented, categorized, and explained everday human error. One of the more common forms is the interference of old patterns with new ones. Another is the interference of two contemporary patterns at the points in the procedures where they share common elements.

  3. Finally, by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

    an explanation of why I reload slashdot every 5 minutes and couldn't get rid of this bad habbit in any way.

    1. Re:Finally, by HoneyBunchesOfGoats · · Score: 1

      They shouldn't have allowed /. into the convent in the first place.

    2. Re:Finally, by Hogwash+McFly · · Score: 4, Funny

      I kept kicking Peregrin Took out of my house every 5 minutes, but couldn't get rid of this bad hobbit in any way.

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  4. Bad habit. by RavenChild · · Score: 1, Funny

    I have a bad habit of missing the first post.

  5. That explains my problems! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Funny

    Every time I see a dupe on slashdot I have the urge to yell out "FRIST PSOT!!!!"

  6. The pattern made me do it! by drgonzo59 · · Score: 1

    Will this make people convicted of crimes say they did it because s/goobbehavior/badbehavior/; pattern made her/him do it.

  7. Sin is in! by dada21 · · Score: 5, Funny

    A day is lacking without the 7 S's:

    1. Shower
    2. Seminate (Sex or self)
    3. Smoke
    4. Shave
    5. Starbucks
    6. Shit
    7. Slashdot

    Note that the primes are all habits. Now permanently locked in my brain.

    1. Re:Sin is in! by RPI+Geek · · Score: 1

      I feel bad for your acquaintances that 1 isn't a prime number and 3 is...

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    2. Re:Sin is in! by Shadow+Wrought · · Score: 4, Funny
      Note that the primes are all habits. Now permanently locked in my brain.


      Er, so #6 isn't a habit for you? Maybe you should get some more fiber in the diet;-)

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    3. Re:Sin is in! by middlemen · · Score: 1

      Oh man! U shave everyday ?

    4. Re:Sin is in! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      6. Shit

      Shouldn't that be number 2?

    5. Re:Sin is in! by rackhamh · · Score: 1

      Er, so #6 isn't a habit for you? Maybe you should get some more fiber in the diet;-)

      Er, so #6 is a habit for you? And how would you go about breaking that habit? ;-)

    6. Re:Sin is in! by dada21 · · Score: 1

      The shitting comes after a few smokes and a pot of Starbucks. Smokers and coffeedrinkers likely understand.

      I meant to say the primes were bad habits, oops.

    7. Re:Sin is in! by ces · · Score: 1

      I don't know about you but I don't consider showering to be a bad habit.

      On the other hand depending on who you talk to #2 might be considered a bad habit. It certainly seems to get people in more trouble than #3 or #5.

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    8. Re:Sin is in! by adavies42 · · Score: 1

      Do you consider 1 to be a prime? If not, please stay downwind.

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    9. Re:Sin is in! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You might try reversing 1 and 2. Because, ick.

    10. Re:Sin is in! by 75th+Trombone · · Score: 1

      1 isn't prime.

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    11. Re:Sin is in! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Note that the primes are all habits. Now permanently locked in my brain.

      Er, so #6 isn't a habit for you? Maybe you should get some more fiber in the diet;-)


      (All primes are habits) -/-> (All non-primes are non-habits)

    12. Re:Sin is in! by Ced_Ex · · Score: 1

      Er, so #6 isn't a habit for you? Maybe you should get some more fiber in the diet;-)

      "Er, so #6 is a habit for you? And how would you go about breaking that habit? ;-)"


      I believe if you start taking Tylenol 3, or codeine, you can induce constipation.

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    13. Re:Sin is in! by ces · · Score: 1

      Doh! ... right.

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    14. Re:Sin is in! by rackhamh · · Score: 1

      I believe if you start taking Tylenol 3, or codeine, you can induce constipation. ... and you could stop me from reading Slashdot by gouging out my eyes, but that's not quite the same as breaking a habit, is it?

    15. Re:Sin is in! by Brandan · · Score: 1
    16. Re:Sin is in! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So the saying (regarding being able to go regularly) goes -- "If you can't do it without coffee and cigarettes, well... you've got problems."

    17. Re:Sin is in! by SlimFastForYou · · Score: 1

      Hmm, I don't know. Perhaps further study is in order.

    18. Re:Sin is in! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      2. Seminate (Sex or self)

      I have one word for you: Lesbians.

      (You insensitive clod!)

  8. This is ridiculous by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    I don't drink, smoke or swear.


    Ohhh shit, I do drink and smoke...

  9. What we already knew by ReverendLoki · · Score: 5, Informative
    Hell, any former smoker could tell you this much. I smoked for less than a decade, and I quit over 5 years ago, no relapses. However, sometimes an almost reflex gets triggered by the smell of tobacco, or just seeing a cigarrette, and it's like my arm itches to go through the motions, what I've seen described as a "ritual" of sorts, of lighting a smoke. This all occurs in my mind a split second before the conscious mind kicks in and realizes what is occurring, and takes control again.

    Trust me, this is a very accurate description of how some of these habits ingrain themselves into your mind.

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    1. Re:What we already knew by FST777 · · Score: 1

      I smoke handrolled... I tried to stop a few times, but the habit of rolling the cigarette is the worst thing to get rid of. So you start rolling (just rolling) to ease the urge. It helps. Until the habit-pattern takes over and next thing you know you've lighted it after finished rolling.

      So, what did I learned today? That next time I fail to quit, I can blame my brains... I like that!

      (off rolling...)

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    2. Re:What we already knew by pnatural · · Score: 1

      Aye, I'm an ex-smoker, too, and your words ring true.

      I smoked for 18 years, quit two years ago and haven't cheated. Not once! It's awesome to be free.

      But like you, when I see someone smoking or smell it, well, I still get the urge.

    3. Re:What we already knew by dankasfuk · · Score: 4, Informative

      Part of that response it thought to involve the nucleus accumbens, thought to play an important part in the reward pathway. It's also closely tied to the basal ganglia and the amygdala (part of the 'emotional' brain).

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    4. Re:What we already knew by nine-times · · Score: 1

      No, it's totally new knowledge. See, now we know that habits are hard to break because of neural patterns. Before, we just thought it had to do with our brains, but now we know it's neural patterns.

    5. Re:What we already knew by misterpib · · Score: 1

      That's exactly what it's like. Also, whenever I see someone on TV or a Movie taking a drag, I catch myself inhaling as they inhale.

    6. Re:What we already knew by Moofar · · Score: 0, Troll

      What genius got so impressed by the trumped up science words in this and decided this was news? Except technical data collected to help further research there is no revelation and nothing newsworthy in this post at all.

    7. Re:What we already knew by ReverendLoki · · Score: 4, Interesting
      Here's what helped me quit - after finishing my last pack of "real" cigarettes (funny how that last pack lasts longer than any other pack you've owned), I went to the tobacconist's and bought a pack of what sounded like the nastiest herbal cigaretes I could find. I think the brand name was "Magic" or something sad like that. Hell, the first two ingredients were marshmallow and "cherry flavoring", with absolutely no tobacco whatsoever. Then, for the next week, whenever that urge got to be so strong that I couldn't resist it anymore, I stepped outside (even if I was somewhere that allowed smoking, 'cause I couldn't force this stench on anyone) and forced myself to smoke an entire one of these. Nastiest crap ever - it tasted like I was smoking over-sweetened Kool-Aid. In fact, I think mixing Kool-Aid powder and dried lettuce leaves might be a good equivalent for hand-rolled.

      I used this to help me get through that first week, when the bodies getting over the worst of the nicotine withdrawal. It satisfied my habit of the ritual of smoking, but did nothing to satisfy the addiction, which not only helped divorce the ritual from the effects of the nicotine in my mind, but it also provided some damn effective negative reinforcement to boot.

      I never did finish that pack...

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    8. Re:What we already knew by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      *nods* yep, I relate to that, both as a smoker and a regular user of various street drugs. Luckily I have the self-discipline to control cravings; though I have certainly crossed the line (pun not intended) with both coke and smack (which I smoked, not shot); getting away from *physical* dependency was relatively easy (I'm not sure there IS any physical dependency with coke - just massive, overloaded psychological cravings. With smack, the withdrawal is at least as physically unpleasant as popularly depicted, if not more so.) Now I'm physically not dependent, I have been able to maintain a pretty normal life (well-paid job, relationship, normal relations with my family, no police or emergency room involvement, etc) whilst still allowing myself a couple of days' weakness every month or two. I'm also a late-developing vegetarian, and the smell of bacon or even of a McDonalds triggers the "BIG MAAACCCC!!!" thoughts and literally makes me salivate. The other day, when I realised I'd be driving past a Burger King, the bacon-double-cheeseburger cravings were, I suddenly realised, subjectively very similar to coke cravings. The danger is to find yourself a helpless spectator, thinking "But... I don't eat meat / do drugs! Ah hell, looks like I'm going to do it anyway... argh, I'm going to regret this..." The trick is to catch yourself before it gets to that stage, recognise the craving as a psychological artifact triggered by set and setting, then occupy yourself with something else until the setting has changed. (Varies between 10 mins to drive past the Burger King, to a couple of hours to drive away from the city where I score.)

      Oh yeah, and I'm a programmer, network, system and security administrator; carefully managed chemical indulgence is much less destructive to work than alcohol abuse, in my experience anyway. YMMV...

    9. Re:What we already knew by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm probably the exception, but I quit smoking (after seven years) some time ago and never have an urge to pick one up. I tend to wonder if I have anti-addiction genes; I had no problem kicking the habit and didn't experience any withdrawal symptoms. Ditto for quitting other addictive drugs. If someone around me lights up, I just think it smells really bad. That being said, it did take me about two weeks before I stopped trying to reach for a cigarette after hitting the bong; mind you, I didn't take the cigarette, but I did need to remind myself that I didn't smoke them anymore.

    10. Re:What we already knew by koreaman · · Score: 1

      Dude... why are you a vegetarian?

      Please, tell me, so I can change your mind. Nothing saddens me more than someone fallen to vegetarianism...

    11. Re:What we already knew by shawb · · Score: 1

      If bacon is one of your big triggers to craving meat, there is something to remember: bacon doesn't really taste all that good. It's just that the SMELL of bacon makes whatever you're eating taste really good. Try it sometime... next time you are around the smell of freshly cooked bacon, simply eat your normal foods, take your time and enjoy the sensation.

      Now, I'm nowhere near a vegetarian and so can have bacon pretty much anytime I want, but... still. Just mentally think about it each time you get a craving from smelling bacon.

      Big Mac attack? Probably the same thing. McDonald's food often actually smells really appealing, but the taste is just... ehh.

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    12. Re:What we already knew by the-build-chicken · · Score: 1

      I have to agree. I smoke for 1 year when I was about 17 years old. I gave up and was a fitness nut until I turned 26. Stupidly, when out drinking one night, I accepted a cigarette. Almost instantly the addiction was back, and for the next 4 years I watched all the fitness and health benefits I'd built up literally go up in smoke. After trying many times, I finally was able to give up (2 years ago)...now, in conversation, I don't refer to myself as an ex smoker, I refer to myself as a nicotene addict...just like an alcholic, I have to realise that one cigarette is one too many and always will be.

    13. Re:What we already knew by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      'm probably the exception, but I quit smoking (after seven years) some time ago and never have an urge to pick one up


      There's a medical term for guys like you: lucky bastards! :)

    14. Re:What we already knew by StikyPad · · Score: 1

      It's interesting then that smoking in particular doesn't generally give a reward. Most smokers will say they don't get a buzz from a cigarette, but still crave it immensely. This article posted a few weeks ago discusses the difference between things we want, and things that actually make us happy (rewards). But maybe stemming the crave is reward enough.

      Interestingly, when I do quit for periods of time, the habit goes away in as little as a day or two, although the cravings never stop; they just become more spaced apart.

    15. Re:What we already knew by pipingguy · · Score: 1


        However, sometimes an almost reflex gets triggered by the smell of tobacco, or just seeing a cigarrette, and it's like my arm itches to go through the motions, what I've seen described as a "ritual" of sorts, of lighting a smoke.

      True, to a point. I tend to smoke while drinking, but when I inhale other people's smoke in a non-boozing environment, I find it offensive.

      Go figure. Perhaps there's some ancient, inbred fart-smelling olfactory reaction going on. There's a research grant waiting for this, I'm sure!

    16. Re:What we already knew by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Because the smack just wasn't making him look sickly enough.

  10. Akin to bicycle riding? by big_oaf · · Score: 1

    Admittedly, I haven't RTFA, but this also seems to support that old adage.

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    1. Re:Akin to bicycle riding? by Clod9 · · Score: 1
      The article describes how activity in the basal ganglia changes when the subject experiences new situations, vs. how it behaves when following a pre-established pattern in response to a set of contextual cues.

      Riding a bike, on the other hand, has a lot more to do with motor control patterns which I believe are established in the cerebellum. There have been studies on people with brain damage (gunshot wounds to the head, etc.) which lead to a model where the cerebellum is the center of memory and learning for things like riding a bike or playing piano. Not being a neuroscientist, I don't know the present state of research, but I think these motor-control "habits" are processed differently from habits like wanting to eat, drink, smoke, etc. in response to stimuli.

      There's an article that would shed a lot of light on the discussion if it wasn't hidden behind subscription mechanisms (a pox on scientific journals that don't give open access to publicly-funded research!)

  11. I can stop anytime... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

    See, this is why I like a little variety in my addictions: alcohol for a couple weeks, smoking the next, Starcraft after that, keeps me from getting pinned down to a single addiction for very long.

    1. Re:I can stop anytime... by jonthegm · · Score: 5, Funny
      See, this is why I like a little variety in my addictions: alcohol for a couple weeks, smoking the next, Starcraft after that, keeps me from getting pinned down to a single addiction for very long.
      Dude, I think that's ADHD.
    2. Re:I can stop anytime... by Pxtl · · Score: 3, Interesting

      The best programmer in my undergrad was a skinny asian dude with drug habits that would've made Hunter S. Thompson blush. He never developed any addictions or problems and graduated near the head of his class. I still believe that the reason he never got in trouble was that he never took the same thing twice in a row.

    3. Re:I can stop anytime... by Maltheus · · Score: 2, Interesting

      You were modded funny, but I think there's great truth to what you say. Everybody have this big void in their lives. You can fill it with boulders or pebbles. Most people latch onto one thing fanatically, drinking, religion, family, TV, heroin, etc. Often when people give one up, they latch onto another, just as fantically (born-agains are a great example, try finding one without a very troubled past). I find it better to have a 1000 different addictions so that I never have enough time for just one and I don't feel like it's the end of the world to give one up. Most people just choose a single "safe" addiction, but that does nothing to help with the sense of imbalance in their lives.

    4. Re:I can stop anytime... by mOdQuArK! · · Score: 1
      Everybody have this big void in their lives.

      My grandfather used to say that people just weren't desperate enough anymore - scrabbling around for survival, like no other situation, has a way of focusing priorities & eliminating impractical habits.

    5. Re:I can stop anytime... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This programmer probably didn't take the same thing twice in a row, but it didn't do him much good.

  12. WooHoo!!! by lucabrasi999 · · Score: 5, Funny
    smoking, eating fatty foods, gambling, etc.

    Drinking isn't on that list. I guess I don't have any bad habits!

    1. Re:WooHoo!!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Drinking is probably a form of "etc." which is on the list...I've been trying to ease up on etc. for ages, but it isn't easy...

    2. Re:WooHoo!!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I have this real bad habit. I have to do it every single god damned day. I've tried to resist it so much but it's just so unbearable and just when i think i can hold out for another second, bam i starting gasping for it.
      My name is anonymous coward and i'm addicted to breathing.

  13. Heh. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Notice how they didn't mention masturbation.

    "Have you ever, you know... taken CARE OF... your own?"

    "What, jerk off? Naw man, I've only done that like twice."

    "Yeah, I've only done it like twice, too." . o O { Before dinner... }

    1. Re:Heh. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Damn that cute girl in HR. I'm doing it right now...

  14. Stopping the Slashdot addiction by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny
    As root in Linux/UNIX:
    echo "127.0.0.0 slashdot.org" >> /etc/hosts
    Or on Windows:
    echo "127.0.0.0 slashdot.org" >> %SystemRoot%\system32\drivers\etc\hosts
    1. Re:Stopping the Slashdot addiction by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I use OS/2 you insensitive clod!

    2. Re:Stopping the Slashdot addiction by dada21 · · Score: 3, Funny

      You do realize CmdrTaco did this years ago to no availl?

    3. Re:Stopping the Slashdot addiction by utexaspunk · · Score: 1

      I think it would be more effective to redirect it to something with a more negative stimulus. If I got sent to Goatse every time I went to /., I'd think twice before entering it. But then, I'd probably just get good at changing my hosts file back every time I wanted to look at slashdot.

    4. Re:Stopping the Slashdot addiction by eno2001 · · Score: 1

      Why would people want my IP address in their /etc/hosts file? And how did you find out about my IP? You must be one of those leet haxorz. I am not worthy... I am not worthy... I am not worthy... ;P

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    5. Re:Stopping the Slashdot addiction by jZnat · · Score: 1

      Yeah; the problem was that he was hosting a live mirror of Slashdot on his computer at the time...

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    6. Re:Stopping the Slashdot addiction by keramida · · Score: 1
      You'd quickly get excellent experience with all the possible ways to edit a file in place with sed, Perl, Python, or anything else, I guess.

      Then it would soon turn out a bit dull and back to normality, err, I mean... slashdot ;P

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    7. Re:Stopping the Slashdot addiction by rbarreira · · Score: 1

      That's sick man! Slashdot turned into a kiddie porn site, I feel disgusted...

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  15. also known as the "Civilisation" syndrome by Ubergrendle · · Score: 4, Funny

    Civilisation comes out, people obsessively play till 5am regularly so they can 'build this last final World Wonder'. This syndrome continues until the 5 1/4" disks wear out, the mouse cable is frayed, and the EGA monitor has CRT burn in.

    People recover, move on with their lives...then the syndrome re-occurs when Civilization II comes out -- on CDROM!!! Most people feel grunge music was a cultural phenomonen driven by the recession, but oh no -- college kids obsessed with Civ quit their summer jobs and could only afford second hand flannel, sinking 10 hrs a day into a 486 game.

    Advance a few years... Civilisation III late 2000. Dot-com crash late 2000. In this case correlation DOES mean causation.

    And now... Civilisation IV. Fortunately due to MIT's intense investigations into this phenomenon, hopefully a cure is available for addiction. The economy can't take another Enron/Worldcom/Pets.com.

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    1. Re:also known as the "Civilisation" syndrome by ZachPruckowski · · Score: 1

      For those who can't wait for MIT to stop playing with their death rays and cure this painful addiction, there is hope at http://www.civanon.org/home.shtml

    2. Re:also known as the "Civilisation" syndrome by Doctor+Memory · · Score: 2, Funny

      Hey man, the death rays *are* the cure....

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      Just junk food for thought...
  16. Auto-pilot... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I smoke. When I don't have a smoke, I _am_ on auto-pilot. So that means, since my work doesnt let me smoke inside, I am autopilot most of the time. I drool even. Next thing I know, its time for a smoke break. The neural pathways associated with smoking are very close the neural pathways responsible for my ability to drive electronic forensics investigations, and general information security, hacking, etc) Thanks MIT... you just told my boss something he already knew about me, which is the fact that I am ultimately more productive during the act of smoking a cigerette, or directly after. *scurries off to write a justification document*

    1. Re:Auto-pilot... by SparafucileMan · · Score: 1

      yeah smoking is great for that. it increases concentration, focus, etc. but once it runs its course, you pay for it. the first week i quit smoking i litterly couldn't do anything at work. couldn't focus on a damn fucking thing.

      nicotine is wonderful. too bad its addictive and you can't chew nicotine gum and drink a beer at the same time.

    2. Re:Auto-pilot... by Yaotzin · · Score: 1
      [...]you can't chew nicotine gum and drink a beer at the same time.
      No, but you can wear a nicotin patch and drink beer at the same time.
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      Error: No error occurred
    3. Re:Auto-pilot... by SparafucileMan · · Score: 1

      yeah but the patch is fixed nicotine rate. i want to get high, not just fend off my addiction ;)

    4. Re:Auto-pilot... by Yaotzin · · Score: 1

      Then, just take a lot of them at the same time.

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      Error: No error occurred
  17. My Habits? by borawjm · · Score: 1, Redundant

    I'm on slashdot so often because, at work, I get to the point where I've browsed just about every website that I could possibly think of and I get so bored that I wind up refreshing slashdot every 5 minutes just to see if there is a new article posted. sighs

    1. Re:My Habits? by mottie · · Score: 1

      You know you have a problem when you catch yourself typing www.slashdot.org in the address bar, but you're already on slashdot...

  18. I need help. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I think I am addicted to my mistress. I see her about six times a week, sometimes twice a day and it costs me $100 a pop, or about more than half of my weekly salary. It's not a romantic relationship, but I can not get away from her.

    Does anyone else have expensive habits?

    1. Re:I need help. by tezbobobo · · Score: 1

      Sure do. Your mistress is one expensive bitch. I really gotta stop seeing her.

  19. bad habits ... procedural learning... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    10 PRINT "Dijkstra was right! GOTO considered harmful."
    20 GOTO 10

  20. 20-year-old news -- "capture error" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Folks working on Human-Computer Interfaces proved this decades ago.

  21. This explains..... by 8127972 · · Score: 2, Funny

    ...... The need for Zonk to post dupes.

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    1. Re:This explains..... by kesuki · · Score: 1

      I can't wait for zonk to dupe this article so someone can reuse that joke ;)

  22. But what can break a habit? by Masa · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I would like to know what can break a habit without any obvious reason.

    I used to be a quite heavy smoker and tried to quit many times with no success, but about a year ago I suddenly started to dislike the whole smoking thing and I just dropped the habit. I haven't yet figured out, what could have caused that. And I haven't yet had any desire to start again. However, now I have picked a habit of eating greasy foods and I would like to get rid of that in the same way I dropped smoking.

    1. Re:But what can break a habit? by middlemen · · Score: 1

      Smoking leaves a bad taste in your mouth. Greasy foods are tasty. Exercise helps your lungs as well as the fat in your body building up by the greasy food.

    2. Re:But what can break a habit? by grassy_knoll · · Score: 2, Insightful
      However, now I have picked a habit of eating greasy foods and I would like to get rid of that in the same way I dropped smoking.


      From TFA:
      The neural patterns get established in the basal ganglia, a brain region critical to habits, addiction and procedural learning.


      Not sure if it's what you're looking for, but since addiction and procedural learning reside in the same area of the brain, dealing with cravings by performing a different procedure ( i.e. doing something else until the craving passes ) might help.

      Adding to that, a reward stimulus might help as well... do you like anything healthy?
    3. Re:But what can break a habit? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Sounds like a brain tumor to me!

    4. Re:But what can break a habit? by chromozone · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Most habits are a product of conditioning which have elements of hypnotic reinforcement that are broken by awareness and objectivity. Concentration itslef can be a hypnotic function, and when people worry and struggle with a problem they are actually deepening the psychic hold it has. If a person gets upset about their smoking and struggle with it willfully, it often just makes them want to smoke more. A person who can step back from a compuslion and become objective to it can find themselves free of any habit without having withdrawl symptoms. One reason I don't like the MIT article is that it takes secondary, descriptive elements and gives them causality. It's like a study that finds depressed people cry more, so a claim is made that there must be something about tears that makes people sad. This is how psychological studies are foisted around these days.Ridiculous "brain scan" research is given enormous credibilty while something like hypnosis is poorly understood and yet dismissed because hypnotists themselves abuse it. People have a type of "body memory" called conditioned reflex response and people with Post Truamatic Stress Disorder especially can find compulsive thoughts and feelings taking away their control. When people react and respond sharply to something, the shock suspends their own "critical factors" and the sub-conscious is accessed. Suggestions and impressions get in under the consciousness and can continually over-ride it. Mental tapes and cues more closely tied to the body and its urges will play over and over again in the mind, and fighting them actually feeds the mechanism. People give in to them from exhaustion because it's like driving with the breaks on. A bad habit like smoking is often used by people to cope with an obverreactive nature. people get stressed and upset and they want a smoke. If they get super ennervated and happy they can want to smoke from that extreme as well. But the smoking is also a denial mechanism that keeps awareness of any failing at bay and and so objectivity becomes a hard thing to cleave to. It's a chemical hypnosis that tames the tiger within and keeps peple fixated away from harsher realites. Yet this also produces guilt and people who need to smoke to asuage the guilt of being angry and upset will need to then need to smoke to assuage the guilt os smoking. People who can see their compulsive nature and not react to it defensively are often the ones who will go for a cigarette one day and it just wont look interesting anymore - then the spell is broken. An unfortuante thing about modern psychology is that it just doesn't see people as people anymore but as machines. The magic of awareness just doesn't count for much. The ancients knew human beings had two natures - a lower and higher one. When people fall from their center and their innocence its like a conductor falling into an orchestra and they get entangled in the impulses of their lower nature. A craving for a smoke is an animal nature crying out for more of what created it. That's why when people give up smoking they can get addicted to other things like food or even gambling that had no "substance"

    5. Re:But what can break a habit? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      start drinking?

    6. Re:But what can break a habit? by koekepeer · · Score: 2, Funny

      me likey the way you refuse to use paragraphs. it's the perfect method to disguise the insightful things you say in your post.

    7. Re:But what can break a habit? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hypnosis is fairly well understood if you're willing to accept the stuff at http://www.hypno1.co.uk/ph.htm - which I (as a hypnotist) am :)

      It outdates and succums all the old state theories etc.

      Eivind.

    8. Re:But what can break a habit? by AlgebraicRing · · Score: 1

      Step 1) Watch for the mental shift into a state of mind where the unconscious behavior gets acted upon.

      Consciously you want to stop eating greasy foods. Watch for where the desire to eat greasy food comes from and become consciously aware of the switch in your mind.

      Step 2) While participating in the unconscious behavior, constantly reflect on how valueless and meaningless it actually is to you and remember about how much you really want to stop the behavior from ruling you.

      Step 3) Consciously interfere with the behavior pattern while you are in the midst of it. Break it, do something else, think about something which will force you mind into a different mindset.

      Step 4) While the desire is not active constantly note how meaningless the activity is to you and that you would rather stop. Think about ways to break the pattern, what you could do better with your time, think about what you would replace the pattern with.

      Step 5) Catalog any and all triggers: environmental queues, stress in your life, particular types of events, certain people, anything which causes your state of mind to switch. Avoid situations in which triggers will activate. You can also consciously enter a triggering situation and deny the expression of the trigger. This would be like staring at a sign until it losts its meaning to you. You are wiping out the reaction by establishing a pattern of no-reaction in response to the triggering situation.

      In the case of eating unhealthy food, consciously decide to eat at healthier restaraunts. Empty your kitchen repeatedly of things you no longer want around. Sit with the foods you no longer want to eat, look at them dispassionately and reinforce your lack of value in them and your denial of anything which gravitates towards them.

      The goal is a radical reprogramming of your mind. You are fighting inertia. Over time the energy you put into breaking the old pattern and establishing a new pattern will pay off.

      Don't obsess over needing to switch, just put directed energy into it, learn to commit to your actions.

      This process must be repeated as much as necessary until the habit is dropped or you are able to consciously intercept the unconscious behavior once its been triggered. It would help to have your friends interfere with you carrying out the habit as well. Interrupt it as much as possible since repeating it only reinforces its existence. Remind yourself constantly. Fight the habit in your mind. Become sly and study it like you would an opponent. Find a way to be smarter than your habit by anticipating its triggers.

  23. Could be your liver by cshay · · Score: 3, Informative

    People with liver problems often stop wanting to smoke.

  24. Nothing new, just not commonly known by FredThompson · · Score: 4, Interesting

    This came out of alzheimer's research about 15 years ago.

    Your brain optimizes to think what it thinks about a lot. (Why Slashdot readers don't morph into female genitalia or came controllers shows that human thought can't change matter.)

    When you try to "break" an old habit, it's easy at first. After a few days, the brain realizes the optimizations are starting to disappear and it works to reinforce those structures.

    The good side of this is that you don't have to re-learn how to use the toilet, eat, talk, etc. The bad side is you can't choose which thoughts are reinforced other than brute force to get past the recovery period. Even so, it's easy to go back to old optimizations. Think of it as being similar to a fold in a piece of paper. The fold can't ever be removed, just made less prominent. The paper will still have the tendency to fold at that position.

    1. Re:Nothing new, just not commonly known by l33t-gu3lph1t3 · · Score: 1

      Wow. Does this mean that a childhood of watching the simpsons 3x a day has left me with PERMANENT long-term recollection of ridiculously long quotes? ...woo hoo!

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      ------- "From bored to fanboy in 3.8 asian girls" ----------
    2. Re:Nothing new, just not commonly known by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Not only is this not new, it's not even new for MIT (1999). MIT is really stagnating, guys. Snap out of it!

    3. Re:Nothing new, just not commonly known by Keighvin · · Score: 3, Informative

      The parent makes a very inaccurate assumption of why habits are hard to break.

      The brain does not independently attempt to reinforce any particular pattern of its own accord - not even the subconsciousness performs this level of autonomous subversive activity.

      However - the limbik region responsible for manifesting motivation and associating that motivation with behavior makes it feel that way. Which is to say, if someone smokes to relieve stress, and then stops smoking, that stress no longer has the familiar outlet. As the stress then continues to build, the limbik system increases the negative pressure associated with the typical relief and the urge to resume the habit also increases. However, if the stress (or whatever outlet or positive association [such as socialization or pleasurable sensation]) resumes a separate outlet, the motivation is satiated and the originally satisfying habit is more easily overridden.

      The brain does not have an effective back-end cron process for optimization - it does well what it does *frequently*, and is a very very reactive organ.

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      Any spoon would be too big.
    4. Re:Nothing new, just not commonly known by Maxo-Texas · · Score: 1

      Probably having a problem breaking the habit of working on this topic.

      --
      She was like chocolate when she drank... semi-sweet at first and then increasingly bitter.
    5. Re:Nothing new, just not commonly known by rolfwind · · Score: 1

      I find this is true, anytime I broke a habit, I usually had to replace that vacuum with another habit. (At least in the beginning..... like from smoking to chewing gum to nothing now.)

      If this is true about the brain, then the problem is reduced to identifying WHY you do what you do to get an appropriate counter habit.

      For instance, for someone who overeats, do they overeat because of stress relief, genetics, medical problems (ranging from dysfunctional glands to blood sugar), eat normally but in disproportionally large portions, or because food tastes so good?

      So suggesting exercise as a habit may not be appropriate/effective in every case such as someone who has a habit of not eating frequently but simply became used to overly disproportionally portions for whatever reason (America - home of the Supersize value menus).

    6. Re:Nothing new, just not commonly known by Keighvin · · Score: 1

      Bingo.

      And succinctly put, might I add.

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  25. Bad habits -- The domino effect by halleluja · · Score: 4, Funny
    More importantly, other people's old habits incite forgotten habits.

    I recently started vomitting again on a regular basis after seeing actual COBOL and FORTRAN code.

  26. hehe by l33t-gu3lph1t3 · · Score: 1

    That may explain peoples' weaknesses to their ex-lovers. It would also explain my inability to resist sex. The brain just goes on autopilot. Hehe "don't blame me honey, blame my ganglia!". Hehe and she couldn't blame the ganglia, they're her favourite part of me...

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    1. Re:hehe by Dogtanian · · Score: 1

      It would also explain my inability to resist sex.

      That's one cause of not being able to resist sex. The other is being male.

      Hehe and she couldn't blame the ganglia, they're her favourite part of me...

      I'm not sure that that word means what you *think* it means....?! (-_^)V

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  27. Not just bad habits, good ones too by Colin+Smith · · Score: 2, Interesting

    In fact it's one of the aims of certain forms of training, martial arts like karate etc train repetitively in order to get you into the habit of standing certain ways, moving, hitting, kicking certain ways on autopilot without thinking. I came back to it after 17 years away and apart from almost lethally bad fitness (yeah that's you) I fell right back into it like riding a bike.

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    1. Re:Not just bad habits, good ones too by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's why those of us who are really well trained know in advance what you're going to do.

    2. Re:Not just bad habits, good ones too by VAXcat · · Score: 1

      You said just like riding a bike...but in the case of motorcycles, statistics and my personal experience shows that that sort of motor memory decays over the years. Personally, I started riding again after a 15 year hiatus, and promptly had a minor accident two days into it (as I flew through the air, I remember praying to the Goddess of Sudden and Unexpected Deceleration, "please don't let the bike land on the recently re-chromed parts". Overall, the accident death rate among "Born Again Bikers", that is, those who have started riding after a 15, 20, 30 year absence from the activity, is truly frightening - these guys are getting moved down in windrows. After a couple months of caution relearning, I'm up to my previous skill level.

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    3. Re:Not just bad habits, good ones too by jdigriz · · Score: 1

      Absolutely. Sailors do this too. You practice all the time, raising, furling and dowsing sail, tacking, jibing, avoiding lobster pots, docking, navigating, Man-overboard drills, and what-not so that in an emergency when time is of the essence, you don't need to think "Now what do I do?" you just act. When the captain yells 'Get that sail down now!!!" you want to be on deck and reaching for the right halyard without a second thought, because there's generally a very good reason, like a rapidly advancing storm front or sudden gust of wind. Practicing until all actions are routine makes boating safer. And a well-drilled crew is much more fun to sail with.

    4. Re:Not just bad habits, good ones too by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Same with women. A well-drilled woman is much more fun to play with.

    5. Re:Not just bad habits, good ones too by Colin+Smith · · Score: 1

      LOL. You train all you like to fight martial artists. Good luck when the shit hits the fan. I'll train to fight the muggers, rapists and other similar scum.

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  28. HELP by JimiSpier · · Score: 1

    I'm glad they found this out.. Now HELP ME, I have been trying to quit nicotine for months now and sucking badly at it..

    And if one more retard suggests that I practice deep breathing I'll kill them and make a pair of mocassins out of their arse skin...

    I'd scream but my mouth if full of chewing gum..

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    1. Re:HELP by SparafucileMan · · Score: 2, Informative

      nicotine patches.

      the first few days will still suck ass, but you can compensate by drinking heavily. then you just wind down the patches over the course of another 6 weeks.

      i've 'quit' cold turkey before and i was surprised how much easier it was with a long, gradual decline in nicotine that the patches provided. no sense is quiting cold turkey and letting the nicotine fuck you in the ass just for a few less weeks of your quiting process.

    2. Re:HELP by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Quit being such a weak-kneed son of a bitch and just go cold turkey.

    3. Re:HELP by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes, Patches. They tell you to start with the 21MG/day patch for a while and then step down, but that is pretty light. My approach was for a month use as many patches as I needed. Whenever I got an urge, put another patch on. I started to have vision problems with 4 patches, but I didn't cave. After a month I started the step down process, and I forgot about the patches by the third week. It is great to realize that you haven't had any nicotine in 3 days because you forgot about it.

  29. ...but... by Stanistani · · Score: 4, Funny

    This still doesn't explain that 'dirty feeling' I get when I post here.

    Now I have to go shower.

  30. Article abstract by Oxen · · Score: 3, Informative

    Here is a link to the primary article.
     
    And here is the abstract:
    Learning to perform a behavioural procedure as a well-ingrained habit requires extensive repetition of the behavioural sequence, and learning not to perform such behaviours is notoriously difficult. Yet regaining a habit can occur quickly, with even one or a few exposures to cues previously triggering the behaviour. To identify neural mechanisms that might underlie such learning dynamics, we made long-term recordings from multiple neurons in the sensorimotor striatum, a basal ganglia structure implicated in habit formation in rats successively trained on a reward-based procedural task, given extinction training and then given reacquisition training. The spike activity of striatal output neurons, nodal points in cortico-basal ganglia circuits, changed markedly across multiple dimensions during each of these phases of learning. First, new patterns of task-related ensemble firing successively formed, reversed and then re-emerged. Second, task-irrelevant firing was suppressed, then rebounded, and then was suppressed again. These changing spike activity patterns were highly correlated with changes in behavioural performance. We propose that these changes in task representation in cortico-basal ganglia circuits represent neural equivalents of the explore-exploit behaviour characteristic of habit learning.

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  31. Habits can be profitable as well... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I personally recommend getting a job doing it:

    http://www.grapevinejobs.com/index.asp?Page=jobsee ker/jobseeker_jobs_more_detail.asp?client_job_id=9 978

    (As far as I know, this is real. Hilarious but real)

  32. I don't believe the article by Robocoastie · · Score: 1

    I don't believe their results at all. If it were true then no one would have trouble remembering the multiplication table, math formula's, and grammar. All of which are repetitious things done from K-12th grade over and over again. If having 50+ math questions to solve every night 5 days a week isn't forming a habit then nothing is.

    1. Re:I don't believe the article by jZnat · · Score: 1

      First you'd have to get into the habit of solving them. I have no problem remembering math concepts, but then again, math is quite pertinent to my life in the first place.

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  33. Underminning Yourself For Profit by Quirk · · Score: 1
    Breaking habits and protocols is a very good habit to get into. Habit in any venue is about unflinching acceptance of a set of presuppositons.

    Gregory Bateson in his book Mind and Nature deals with examining one's presuppositions. Under minning one's presuppositions is, in one way, what the study of epistemology, as it pertains to theories of knowledge vs the methodology of science, is about.

    Creative, or, if you prefer, inventive work is, in large part, about testing the presuppositions underpinning a theory or protocol, and, where possibly profitable, collapsing the presuppositions that underpin our habits and protocols, if for no other reason then to see what happens next.

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    Cohen
    1. Re:Underminning Yourself For Profit by Red+Flayer · · Score: 1

      "Breaking habits and protocols is a very good habit to get into. Habit in any venue is about unflinching acceptance of a set of presuppositons."

      Yet, there are habits that are good for the individual. I would guess that this mechanism of habit formation evolved because it provided an advantage -- such as being able to hunt more efficiently, or being able to perform repetitive tasks without devoting too much brainpower to them, like gutting fish, skinning rodents, or winnowing grain. This still holds true today -- it allows multi-tasking more efficiently.

      If the presuppositions that your habits are based on are correct, then the habit you've developed could be the most efficient way of doing something. And the amount of work put into finding a better way of doing something may be greater than the relative advantage of the new way of doing it.

      The presumption you're working from here is that we should each be as inventive or creative as possible... which I'm not so sure is correct. I'd bet that net production for a group is at it's highest when there are plenty of drones and a few especially-suited-for-it innovators.

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  34. Dumb Excuses for The Weak by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Stop making excuses for being weak minded and having low self esteem. It might help you feel better in the short term but does nothing to solve the problem. If you have a bad habit and you want to stop then stop. It's pathetic to use this study as an excuse when the problem is a flaw in your character.

  35. Scientology engrams? by bobalu · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I hate to bring it up for fear of Xenu's revenge, but as I understand it this is the basis for Scientology's "auditing". The idea is to break up those old neural paths so they don't re-assert themselves inappropriately - like telling your boss to f*ck off because he reminds you of your father, for instance.

    I always thought this made some sense, although the rest of their, umm, presentation was pretty scary.

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    1. Re:Scientology engrams? by Shakes268 · · Score: 1

      You actually went to a meeting? How much mail have you gotten? :) Yea, you should be scared of Xenu or being labeled as "Fair Game"

    2. Re:Scientology engrams? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The whole business about the reactive mind sorta gets to me. I like the things that I can do automatically, such as typing really fast and drawing beautifully. Like it or not, that's a part of habit as well. It's also a habit that I work my butt off at work and make a good living - one that not everybody has.

      Unfortunately for the last one, Slashdot is also a habit. Oh well.

  36. Neural imprinting can be a real bitch some time by multiplexo · · Score: 4, Interesting
    Sure, it's nice not to have to relearn how to wipe your ass every day but on the other hand I've met amputees who had serious damage to their legs and after years of surgery they finally elected to have an amputation so that they could have a fully functional prosthesis rather than a non-functional and painful leg. But the bitch of it is that the chronic pain they suffered rewired their brains to feel chronic pain and a lot of them still have quite a bit of pain after their amputations, even though the affected limb is gone.

    --
    cheap labor conservatives - they want to keep you hungry enough to be thankful for minimum wage.
  37. Vista is great! by CDPatten · · Score: 5, Funny

    This probably explains why you were about to flame me when you saw the title. Its just habbit, anything pro-ms, FLAME!

  38. Addicted to Information by Absentminded-Artist · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Fascinating findings. I find that gathering information is a bad habit of mine. My dad once described himself as an encyclopedia of useless information. As they say, the apple doesn't fall far from the tree. He drives a crosscountry rig now (no longer a computer field service technician repairing motherboards as he did in the early 80's and earning far more money) so he's avoided the terrible lure of the internet (except on weekends). I find myself abusing RSS technology to feed this habit of mine. I can't believe how much more info I cram into my brain because of RSS...

    Of course, for many these scientific findings produce a "duh" response. Often science is filled with elaborate studies that simply prove what we already commonly believed or "knew". But no harm done. I think it's exciting to understand the process more fully. I wrote a blog about another study that was done on addictive behavior (ADD: Addicted to Information) - specifically drugs - last March. That research worked on showing how this effect of losing willpower to addictive behavior occurs physically/neurologically in the brain. Fascinating stuff. I related it to my addiction for information - an insight of my wife's, btw. I'm not nearly as insightful or clever.

    What I'd like to see, however, is more work being done on how to unlearn habits. How to retrain the mind to not need whatever fix ails it. For instance, I'd like to reclaim an hour of my day without feeling compelled to read more and more news as is the problem this week, or watching too much TV as was the problem last month. My ADDled mind shakes off one habit only to pick up another. I try to build barriers, but as an earlier poster pointed out by example of Brian Eno, we simply bypass the artificial detours we construct. It would be better to retrain ourselves and eliminate those neural pathways that fire up upon familiar stimulus.

    --
    The Splintered Mind - Overcoming
    1. Re:Addicted to Information by Absentminded-Artist · · Score: 1

      I wish we could edit our posts here. I meant to say that my dad earns far more money NOW as a truck driver than he ever did as a computer field service technician. He reminds himself of that whenever he feels silly for driving a truck for a living. ;)

      --
      The Splintered Mind - Overcoming
    2. Re:Addicted to Information by Psiolent · · Score: 1

      My ADDled mind shakes off one habit only to pick up another. I try to build barriers, but as an earlier poster pointed out by example of Brian Eno, we simply bypass the artificial detours we construct. It would be better to retrain ourselves and eliminate those neural pathways that fire up upon familiar stimulus.

      Meditation is the practice of making the mind become still. It takes a lot of work and is very difficult in the beginning (like most things worthwhile). Ultimately, though, there is no greater freedom than being released from the bonds of your own brain. We spend plenty of time trying to fend off boredom, but really we should be attacking the problem at its root. Stillness is quite enjoyable when you can do it without much effort.

    3. Re:Addicted to Information by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I've found that a couple of hits of good LSD every couple of years
      tends to 'reset' some of this with little ill effect.

    4. Re:Addicted to Information by khallow · · Score: 1

      While I don't know about the supposed greater benefits of meditation, a little of it does seem to disrupt compulsive habits.

    5. Re:Addicted to Information by sw155kn1f3 · · Score: 1

      I've read your post and now I'm addicted to learning about addiction to information...
      You know you are evil, do you?

      --
      - Arwen, I'm your father, Agent Smith.
      - Well, you're just Smith, but my father is Aerosmith!
    6. Re:Addicted to Information by kitkatsavvy · · Score: 0

      I must be your twin sister or something because all i did as a kid was read encyclopaedias, books, watch the news, read the paper and read basically EVERYTHINg every dAMN day! no wonder i went psychotic WITHOUT any drug use! My addiction (which everyone tells me isnt a bad one), was and still is - learning! Just learning! the point is, a habit like mine would only turn life-threatening according to how gullible your brain is. For example, I won some music award in grade 10 when i was 15yrs old - so what did i get? i got this book about looking into the mind of serial killers, and the other book i got was called 'The Odd Brain' by Carl Jung. Now I don't know HOW many times I read that book between the end of 1998 and august 2002, but soon you can train yourself and will automatically become a hypochondriac like me. Btw the book basically listed heaps of mental/psychological conditions in a "cool" way (ie a girl drinking 20L of water, fear of heights, spiders etc). With what you asked about how to unlearn your habits - i can do it! you just have to have the ability to pick up the thoughts behind why you are going to have a new habit - and talk yourself out of them logically before it forms. For example, one night, I just started washing my hands about 4 or 5 times because i "thought" there were germs everywhere on me. I talked to my subconsious and said, 'this is ridiculous - you don't need to clean your hands more than once - the soap is already on there once, so they can't get any cleaner - PLUS all those germs everywhere have always been there so what is different now?' Just train your internal monologue (or the thoughts that are going in your head that you can "hear"), and you will be fine - none of this western world study bullcrap geez www.psychopanic.com

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      http://www.psychopanic.com
  39. Any Time I Want by blueZhift · · Score: 1

    I can stop any time I want...I just read it for the articles...and it keeps the weight off...yeah, that's it...

  40. So to correct a habit... by Xiver · · Score: 1

    So to eliminate a bad habit I have to form an anti-habit that is mentally associated with a bad habit. I'll have to try it out. I'm a nail-biter and I've quit several times over the years, but something will set me off and before I realize it I'm back to my old bad habit.

    --
    10: PRINT "Everything old is new again."
    20: GOTO 10
    1. Re:So to correct a habit... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      i was a hellish nailbiter for many, many years. hypnotism (not the "your fingers taste like dirt" type, but rather the delve into your past and figure out why you do this at all type) helped me unlearn the behavior. good stuff.

  41. Before we Dodge Responsibility... by jazman_777 · · Score: 1

    for our bad habits, remember, we subjected ourselves to the habit in the first place.

    --
    Slashdot: Failed Car Analogies. Amateur Lawyering. Anecdote Battles.
  42. If 6 were 2 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If the sun,
    Refused to shine,
    I don't mind, I don't mind...

    And If 6
    turned out to be 2
    WTF? WTF!

    ~!JH

    1. Re:If 6 were 2 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Subtle humor is so hard on the /. crowd.

  43. In other news... by Eli+Gottlieb · · Score: 1

    I still see myself when I look in the mirror. If I could, I would mod this article redundant.

    Oh, and of course I want scientists knowing how to change my behavior! We should live to see the day Slashdotting until 12AM is considered an "unhealthy" habit to be "behavior modified".

  44. Don't assume this is true for everyone. by davidwr · · Score: 0, Flamebait

    Some habits are hard to break for some people.
    Sometimes the same habit is easy for other people.

    Don't assume just because a person was once an alchoholic THAT PARTICULAR PERSON is doomed to never be able to drink responsibly. Forcing someone to stay away from booze because they ONCE had a problem does them a disservice. Ditto if they fell off the wagon a few times 10 years ago but have been clean since.

    Now if they've had a RECENT PATTERN of falling off the wagon that's an entirely different story.

    Now if a person with no recent abuse WANTS to stay "away from temptation" then by all means help him to do so. But if he wants to drink one beer don't stop him.

    Ditto former drug abusers, compulsive shoppers, and /. addicts.

    If YOU have had addiction problems in the past, the key is to "know thyself" and know what YOUR limits are and not approach them. If necessary, get friends to help you stay away from temptation that's above your limits.

    --
    Knowledge is how to play a game, intelligence is how to win, wisdom is knowing what game to play.
  45. Reading slashdot by DJCF · · Score: 1

    Does this include reading slashdot?

  46. This is why it's so hard to... by advocate_one · · Score: 1
    get addicts to quit ms-windows...

    Linux or Mac OSX are just too different and they keep re-activating the ms-windows ways whenever they slip back just to do that little quick job that they haven't got the hang of in the other OS yet...

    That's why duel-booting is such a bad thing really... as it's just too easy to boot back to windows rather than taking the trouble to learn how to do it in Linux...

    --
    Donald 'Duck' Dunn: We had a band powerful enough to turn goat piss into gasoline.
    1. Re:This is why it's so hard to... by Billly+Gates · · Score: 1

      This is why I keep typing ls in the command prompt?

    2. Re:This is why it's so hard to... by advocate_one · · Score: 1

      it's why I keep trying to cut and paste by highlighting with the mouse and then using the middle button to paste... my Linux habits don't work at work... it's a windows shop...

      --
      Donald 'Duck' Dunn: We had a band powerful enough to turn goat piss into gasoline.
    3. Re:This is why it's so hard to... by Billly+Gates · · Score: 1

      Thank god we dont use emacs then

    4. Re:This is why it's so hard to... by advocate_one · · Score: 1

      I do... the windows version... :)

      --
      Donald 'Duck' Dunn: We had a band powerful enough to turn goat piss into gasoline.
  47. Does that mean ... by usrusr · · Score: 1

    ... that every time i happen to touch a mouse on a windows machine minesweeper and freecell windows will inevitably open themselves without me even realizing before i nearly finish the game?

    It's worst while i'm on the phone, i will regularly stop in the middle of a sentence because i realize that i nearly solved a minesweeper field that wasn't there when i started that the sentence mentioned above.

    --
    [i have an opinion and i am not afraid to use it]
  48. That explains a lot!! by SomeoneGotMyNick · · Score: 1

    The neural patterns get established in the basal ganglia, a brain region critical to habits, addiction and procedural learning.

    So that's why it's always the heavy smoker that sits on their lazy backend and tells people to do it again until they get it right...

  49. Peter Cetera said it best by MarkGriz · · Score: 4, Funny
    I'm addicted to you babe,
    You're a stimulus-induced reassertion of a dormant neural pattern on my basal ganglia
    --
    Beauty is in the eye of the beerholder.
    1. Re:Peter Cetera said it best by BigZaphod · · Score: 1

      Hmm.. My fiancee would probably get a huge kick out of me saying this, actually. She's sort of a biology geek... I should try it.. :-)

  50. Family Feud by Uncle+Op · · Score: 1
    This explains why my siblings always revert to their childhood ways when we get together. It's even worse for my spouse and her sib's.

    Good thing I kicked that habit.

  51. addiction by PresidentEnder · · Score: 1

    So could similar behaviors replace addictions? For instance, I used toothpicks to quit smoking. Was this somehow related (same muscle memory: reach into pocket for toothpick holder instead of pack of camels, put toothpick instead of cigarette in mouth, reach into pocket for lighter, take out lighter, feel like moron), or just an example of placebo effect? Can people quit drinking using soft drinks? Can I quit spending so much time on the internet by "typing " on the cover of my textbook during class?

    --
    I used to carry a bottle of whiskey for snake bite. And two snakes. -Nefarious Wheel
  52. MoonPie Regression by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    and i thought just one more for old times sakes would'nt hurt =o fatty boombalaty /action runs off to the track

  53. Best quote from TFA . . . by Rob+the+Bold · · Score: 4, Funny
    "It is as though, somehow, the brain retains a memory . . ."

    Definitely worth looking into . . .

    --
    I am not a crackpot.
    1. Re:Best quote from TFA . . . by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What is?

  54. soooooo true! by solosaint · · Score: 1

    sorry for the worthless comment, but i have to say that this is SOOOOOOOOOO TRUE!! ( and i have known this for years... )

  55. ack by Trailer+Trash · · Score: 1
    ...putting an individual in a neural state akin to being on autopilot

    When skimming this, I thought "autopilot" was "slashdot" the first time through. Oddly, it didn't seem to change the meaning of the sentence.

  56. habits sink deep down by justdev · · Score: 1

    Funny that I have been reading today in Gregory Bateson's "Steps to an Ecology of Mind" that when we learn something and make a habit it sinks deep down to subconscious such a way that we can do it without even knowing explicitly. This is supposed to save the effort of applying the knowledge of how to do it every time. So we can walk and ride bike without even knowing we are doing it. Maybe this study shows where all this "sinks" to.

    1. Re:habits sink deep down by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Not only habits, but a lot of other things. Freud was dead right about this. And it something not completely out of control, but very very deep, very very subtle and it takes a lot of time to reaccomodate. That is why I don't believe in any of the new "quick" psychotherapies (conductism, etc.).

  57. How about good habits by phorm · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Not all habits are bad, and by repeating various activities (exercise such as evening walks, or regular gym visits, etc) one would think they could also engrain themselves upon one's psyche. Does this work as well, and what happens when you formula a good habit, fall out of habit, and form a bad one? Do the two conflict?

    1. Re:How about good habits by dogmatixpsych · · Score: 3, Informative

      Yep, it's the same system. I teach a behavioral neurobiology class at a university and we just got done talking about addictions and addiction research. It's all the same basal ganglia system (particularly the neucleus accumbens, as someone previously pointed out). The dopamine-producing neurons there (and other parts of the dopaminergic system) respond to anything pleasurable (food, sex, etc.). When drugs make people feel good, they are activating this system. Good habits would be formed through this same system (although it might take more work with exercise for example, because many people actually do not like to exercise - they may like the effects of it but how many people actually love how running a marathon make them feel (I'm not talking about some sense of accomplishment)? How do you feel after doing strenuous exercise? Usually not that great initially). So I should qualify my remarke and say that if the good habit truly produces physical pleasure, then those habits would also be formed and intensified in this circuit.

    2. Re:How about good habits by FuckTheModerators · · Score: 1

      Dogmatixpsych seems to have nailed the science end of this. I'd just like to add some anecdotal evidence.

      According to me: Hell yes, the good habits ingrain themselves as well. If not, I would go back to bed at 5:30 every morning rather than staggering downstairs and getting on my bike for an hour. It seems to be doing those things long enough to make them a habit that's the kicker.

  58. Bushs are a great example... by managedcode · · Score: 1

    These neural patterns created by habit can be changed or altered. But when a stimulus from the old days returns, the dormant pattern can reassert itself..
    This is exactly what happens in Bushs brains.

  59. More disgusting Slashdot pseudo-science by Futurepower(R) · · Score: 0, Troll

    My opinion: This is more disgusting Slashdot pseudo-science.

    Consider what the article says:

    1) Habits are remembered. (They could not be habits if they were not remembered.)

    2) The memory is stored in the brain. (Good guess!)

    3) Quote: "Graybiel speculated that the beginning and ending spike patterns reflect the nature of a routine behavior." Speculation is another word for guessing.

    4) Quote: "It is as though, somehow, the brain retains a memory of the habit context, and this pattern can be triggered if the right habit cues come back,..." Another quote: ' "This situation is familiar to anyone who is trying to lose weight or to control a well-engrained habit. Just the sight of a piece of chocolate can reset all those good intentions," Graybiel said.' It's major pseudo-science to say that rat habits and human habits are similar.

    1. Re:More disgusting Slashdot pseudo-science by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Actually, I'd tend to disagree. I'd say it's major religion to say that rat habits and human habits are not similar.

      An interesting question, though, is "Are there at the neurological level several distinct classes of habits?" If so, then some would be shared with rats, and some would likely be peculiar to humans.

      Eivind.

  60. Trained body by phorm · · Score: 1

    If you tend to do it at the same time (or always after Starbucks, though that could be due to a little too much battery-acid coffee), it could probably become habit. Shitting is a necessity to life, but if you feel the need to go at a specific time per day, or after a certain activity, then it could also be a habit.

  61. oh that's easy by BitterAndDrunk · · Score: 1

    just give him some heroin and a guitar. He'll mutter something about Driveshaft and head for the hills. Or the jungle. Whichever.

    --
    You better watch out, there may be dogs about . . .
    1. Re:oh that's easy by GraemeDonaldson · · Score: 1

      Err, no. He played Merry, not Pippin.

      --
      I think, therefore I am. I think?
    2. Re:oh that's easy by waamaral · · Score: 1

      Then give him a copy of goonies!

      No, wait, that's the fat one...

      --
      What, do I need a sig now?
  62. Re:Are you all done sucking your own dicks?? by Icculus · · Score: 1

    Dude, you need to go have a smoke

  63. My "bad habits" serve me well by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Why are we so obsessed with changing our bad habits in the first place? When the habit was formed it served a purpose (otherwise you would have not gone through the repetition the create the habit). Engaging in bad habits is meditative in itself. How many times have to gone shopping to come home and realize that you have no idea how long you were gone or how much money you spent in the process? Oh wait, this is slashdot-nevermind. The only thing I can remember during shopping is stopping in the middle of the store to read a slashdot posting.

    I smoke, the purpose is too keep geeky guys away from me. Although, it does not work all the time. In addition, it is the only time I get a break at work. Err, I mean a break from reading slashdot at work.

    I run. (though not while smoking) My muscles are so accustomed to the repetitive motion of my feet hitting the pavement, it happens without my noticing it. I can even stop running for a few months, but it never goes away. I do not even have to think about it. My lungs have been trained to sustain oxygen intake for 5+ miles. Also, it annoys the other women in the neighborhood and they do not invite me to cook-outs. Yay!! Then I do not have to be social.

    I spend way too much time on the internet. It has not adversely affected my life yet. And it is great because my friends think I have the internet memorized.

    I post on slashdot. Ok, I am obsessed with it. But again not a bad habit. It makes me feel better to read the misguided postings of boys who think they are smarter than me but yet would never have a chance.

    So, why would I want to change any of my "bad" habits? They all serve their intended purpose.

  64. Where do I get some of this grant money? by Tofino · · Score: 0, Flamebait

    Look, MIT. People eat fatty foods because fatty foods are extremely convenient, cheap, and taste pretty good. People gamble because they either enjoy the games or have whacky dreams of hitting it big or winning back their losses. People smoke because it tastes damn good with a beer or a cup of coffee, and for the slight nicotine high. Why does everything need to be a new Theory Of Addiction?

    1. Re:Where do I get some of this grant money? by enjahova · · Score: 1

      Those may be reasons people start doing all of those things, but the study proved that they keep doing it because of other reasons. RTFA

      --
      "how can they call it a MINE if everything here is THEIRS?!?!" -Straight Jacket
    2. Re:Where do I get some of this grant money? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Typical wanker anti-smoker rant. Let the smokers smoke if they want. I'm not a smoker. I have not run into an impolite smoker in YEARS -- in fact, every smoker I see is apologetic and courteous, not wanting to get beaten any further into a pulp by shitwads like yourself.

  65. How much? by mkcmkc · · Score: 1

    Really? Give us a hint--how much do truck drivers make? Maybe a lot of us should switch...

    --
    "Not an actor, but he plays one on TV."
  66. WOW by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    NO SHIT

  67. Much agreed by sRev · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Ignorance of the last 60 years of psychology research is one of the embarrassing secrets of cognitive neuroscience. These researchers have spent their careers becoming competent in methods for obtaining data (MRI, PET, EEG) and are largely ignorant of paradigms, theories, and findings of the experimental psychology literature. At the university level, it is difficult to hire a cognitive neuro person, who is well trained in psychology and whose primary focus is on psychological processes and who see brain imaging only as a tool. This article is a good example of what's lacking.

    1. Re:Much agreed by mOdQuArK! · · Score: 3, Insightful

      In a way, it might be better that the neuroscientists are ignorant about a lot of the psychological case studies. If they can independently come to a lot of the same conclusions as the psychological studies, then that will help reinforce the validity of both. If there's a conflict, then it will be a useful direction for future study.

  68. Lobotomies are the way to go by mark99 · · Score: 2, Funny

    That should do the trick.

    Or some last drastic variation that just kills the connections.

  69. Another reason not to start destructive habits... by Metasquares · · Score: 1

    This is yet another reason why abstaining from destructive habits in the first place is better than starting and breaking them (though the latter is obviously still better than starting and continuing them).

  70. "What the Bleep..." has a nice animation of this by Two99Point80 · · Score: 1

    This article discusses one of the central points of the movie What the Bleep Do We Know?!" which uses lots of computer animation for us visual learners.

  71. addiction science by RevAaron · · Score: 2, Insightful

    addiction science is pretty interesting. what gets me is that it's pretty common for an ex-opiate addict to start "jonesing" (go through the opiate withdrawal symptoms- cold/flu like symptoms, a lot of pain and have a desire for opiate to fix that) when he gets out of prison or starts to hang around with his old crew. heroin generally can be dropped, physically, in 3 days- or rather, the worst part of the withdrawal can be done in that time. other opiates are longer, but generally you're clean after two years of not using, time spent in jail or in treatment, etc. pretty interesting stuff.

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    Working toward a usable PDA environment in the spirit of Newton OS: Dynapad
  72. physiologizing by brre · · Score: 1
    Repeated behavior recurs when cues are presented, cues which had been previously paired with the behavior or its setting.

    The CNS events add what to the account?

  73. That explains why my "smoking one a day" works. by SSalvatore · · Score: 2, Interesting
    This actually supports my completely unscientific theory: that to cut addictions, what you have to do is not loose the "bad habits" completely, but reduce them dramatically.

    WARNING: I suspect that it only works with substances that are do not have strong physical addiction components. I wouldn't know anything about that since I have never consumed them.

    The example in my life has been smoking. I used to smoke a pack a day. I tried to quit many times but then I would light one cigarette after months and would be back at one pack a day overnight.

    On my latest attempt, I just decided that I love smoking and would like to continue smoking for years. Solution: cut back to one cigarette a day. It has been working incredibly for over 4 years now!!!

    The most amazing thing is that I can't smoke more than 3 cigarettes in one day, my body just can't tolerate it. The key here is that for my brain, smoking one cigarette does not mean smoking 30 cigarettes anymore.

    But that theory goes head to head with the traditional protestant morale: substances are bad, they are evil, and once you get them in your system, they control you (evil is something separated from the human nature that can go inside or outside of you, like a spirit).

    Since the American culture is based on that morale, those ideas are pervasive in the US. Some psychologists have suggested that the American cultural myths about addictive substances reinforce addictive behaviors, i.e. the substance controls me, so if I take one drink I can't help drinking the whole bottle/smoke the whole pack.

    Of course the American "experts" will say what you are saying is very dangerous, the first step is to accept that you have an alcoholism/tabaquism/whatever problem . . . blah blah blah.

    But take a look at Europe and how Alcohol is not considered such an evil in a lot of countries. Italians take wine with meals, even in workdays. In the US, if you take two drinks, you are supposed to do something stupid. So you do in a lot of cases.

    Bottom line: a lot of substances are not that evil. They cannot control you, the better way to kill addictions is to reduce intake to a minimum and then your brain will be retrained to take these small dosages normally.

    After reading this article, not only I think that smoking my one cigarette a day is nice, but I think that it is actually way a better method to prevent me from going back to one pack a day than not smoking at all.

    1. Re:That explains why my "smoking one a day" works. by narcc · · Score: 1
      But that theory goes head to head with the traditional protestant morale: substances are bad, they are evil, and once you get them in your system, they control you (evil is something separated from the human nature that can go inside or outside of you, like a spirit).

      Some anti-smoking propaganda I saw once described this "spirit" as the "Nicodemon" http://members.aol.com/Gerri42/index5.html
    2. Re:That explains why my "smoking one a day" works. by AlterTick · · Score: 1
      After reading this article, not only I think that smoking my one cigarette a day is nice, but I think that it is actually way a better method to prevent me from going back to one pack a day than not smoking at all.

      I quit smoking the same way. I went from 15 a day to 2 a day-- morning and lunch. From 2 a day I dropped to 1 at lunch. At 1 a day it's not that hard to start skipping the weekends because it becomes associated with lunch at work. Once it became a "lunch at work" thing for me, it was pretty easy to take a 2 week vacation-- and quit.

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  74. Easy! by Wilson_6500 · · Score: 1

    Now we have a quick and effective solution to that nasty nail-biting habit. We simply will direct these three powerful beams of ionizing radiation into your skull, focussing them on your basal ganglia.

    Just don't twitch, or you might forget how to talk.

  75. as Mark Twain said it: by Reaper9889 · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Giving up smoking is the easiest thing in the world. I know because I've done it thousands of times...

  76. Hypnosis??? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Has anyone had success with hypnosis to cure a habit?

  77. Re:$ engrams? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I'm trying to avoid using any of their trademarks in this post. Hopefully you can still puzzle out what I mean.

    1) Not all of the 'reactions' are bad. You wouldn't want to forget, say, how to ride a bike or drive a car, would you? Same thing. $ thinks they're all "bad" or something. Bleh.

    2) $ seems to think that some of them were implanted by an evil galactic overlord whose name they've probably trademarked like they do or try to do with everything else (it starts with an X and if you add .net to it, you get an anti-$ site). You may also have memories of being nuked on the Hawaiian islands a few million (billion?) years before the atoll there formed. Oops.

    But hey, even LRH might guess and be right about a *few* things. In any event, the idea that something like this happens isn't entirely new, anyhow.

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  78. hmmm by spx · · Score: 1

    A man with no vice, has no virtue...Ben Franklin While the toothpick idea is a good one, it is just substituting one vice for another.... I shouldnt talk though, I have afew vices.... Ima go back to read /. now....

  79. Shakespeare's Advice On Habits. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Here is some advice from Shakespeare on breaking bad habits and on aquiring good habits. Oddly enough, this advice has helped me more than any other for changing my habits.

      Assume a virtue, if you have it not.
    That monster custom, who all sense doth eat,
    Of habits evil, is angel yet in this,--
    That to the use of actions fair and good
    He likewise gives a frock or livery
    That aptly is put on. Refrain to-night;
    And that shall lend a kind of easiness
    To the next abstinence: the next more easy;
    For use almost can change the stamp of nature,
    And either curb the devil, or throw him out
    With wondrous potency.

    Hamlet Act 3 Scene 4

  80. a more basic reason by VENONA · · Score: 1

    Bad habits are mostly fun.

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  81. i wonder by wazzles · · Score: 1

    Does this explain for my desire to sit around smoking weed all day and listening to dylan?

  82. no wonder all the dupes by imess · · Score: 1

    in a few days this this will be back

  83. Where can I order this? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I mean you obviously weren't a heavy smoker (or at least not anywhere close to real addiction) but for us heavy smokers out here that like to smoke all kinds of stuff could you give us more information on where to get this?

    *fantacizes about Indonesian Gudang Garam honey & clover cancer sticks* (I know where to get those, no info needed)

    1. Re:Where can I order this? by ReverendLoki · · Score: 1
      I mean you obviously weren't a heavy smoker (or at least not anywhere close to real addiction) but for us heavy smokers out here that like to smoke all kinds of stuff could you give us more information on where to get this?

      *fantacizes about Indonesian Gudang Garam honey & clover cancer sticks* (I know where to get those, no info needed)

      As for being a heavy smoker, don't know about that. I started out on cloves such a Djarrum and Gudang Garam (I think I still have a few tins lying around, now holding other items), and when those got too expensive and harsh on my lungs, I switched to Marlboro Reds for "something lighter". I was going through about a pack and a half a day at the end (though that wasn't the height of my usage). Now I don't know what you're criteria are to be a "heavy smoker", but every other smoker I knew at the time that got a whiff of those things agreed that they were some of the nastiest concoctions ever.

      Anyways, I've read a few places that the bulk of the nicotine withdrawal takes place in that first week without it. That's not to say it's smooth sailing after that - this thread is testament that it is not. However, for most people a week is what it takes to get beyond the physical, clinically defined substance addiction to nicotine, which is what I used those herbals to get through. I'm not saying these made quitting easy, but it did make it easier. You know what else helped encourage me to quit? A family member died after a long, drawn out over several years battle with lung cancer, due to a life long smoking habit. Funny how that works.

      I bought them at a local tobacco shop, just like I said. It was a place that sold all sorts of off-brand trendy smokes, hand-rolling supplies, pipes, loose-leaf, *ahem* "water pipes", and such. This was 5 years ago, and I have no idea if this brand existed 3 months before or after this time in my life, and I never really cared. I did try and do a quick Google search before my last post, but "magic cigarettes" isn't exactly the narrowest of search terms on today's Internet.

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  84. I'm confused... by jtangen · · Score: 1

    How exactly do bits of the brain corresponding to events in the world *explain* anything? The fact that "the brain does it" isn't that surprising!

  85. Our "intentions" are equivalent to a rat's? by Futurepower(R) · · Score: 1

    Look what the article is saying. The quote says that our "intentions" are equivalent to rat "intentions". This is wild guessing, and I believe there is no justification whatsoever.

  86. Free will is illusory by deuterium · · Score: 1

    It amuses me to see the contortions that people go through in ascribing their behavior to the freely chosen action of a "rational" entity. Of course we can't easily give up habits... we're not in control. Our brains are continually keeping a scoresheet as to which experiences and responses triggered or are associated with it's primary objectives: survival and reproduction. In this light, habits can only be changed when a stronger association is made (you quit smoking because something associates it strongly enough with your experiences of death or loss).
    A study like this will come along, and people will add it to the list of things the brain does on autopilot, but still believe that it is only "coloring" their behavior, when it in fact is their behavior. This study highlights the fact that when a situation or stimuli isn't novel, the brain works from its catalog of experience. Conciousness seems to serve mainly as a gateway to organizing new experiences. It's a mental room where we experience the process of our operators making connections between the stream of incoming stimuli and the database of stored associations for those stimuli. As the associations are made, it forms a "thought" or story about the stimuli, framing it in perspective to the past and in anticipation of an expected outcome in the future. It's a continual retelling of the story of our experiences. This is much like our dreams, though they are formed of freer associations in the absence of stimuli.
    There are plenty of books on this topic.

  87. bad habits = brain "damage"? by lpq · · Score: 1

    They seem to be saying that the unwanted habits are the result of physical structures that have been "built" into the brain at some point.

    How does this differer from other ways of altering the brain, say engaging in a "vice" or something that was considered "innocuous" at the time, but in a different situation, turns out to be "harmful"? If the unwanted behavior patterns are caused by biology, (Downs Syndrome), or by physical problems (tumors, brain lesions, strokes, blows to the head), or by exposure to some excessive shock (as in those that cause post-traumatic shock/stress syndrome), or purposeful shocks (electric shock-to-brain treatments), or 1st/2nd hand exposure to smoke/alcohol/drugs (as an adult or a fetus).

    Doesn't education also physically change the structures in the same way -- and "miseducation" could also change the brain to have a child raised to have values that current society finds unpalatable (or at the very least, debatable).

    This raises a question about the nature of our entire "legal" and "justice" system -- the idea about not holding people liable for crimes committed before a law was written -- what about an entire group of people who may have been "misprogrammed" by misguided or under-education or though no one caring - neglect -- should our laws be written to hold them responsible when the underlying cause of their behavior has its roots in the core of their brain and is may be very resistant to reprogramming. Drop an ancient Greek philosopher onto the American anti-pedophile landscape and explain to them that what they consider to be normal is now a criminal behavior.

    In the same vein, matters criminal in one society (smoking pot, prostitution) or banned (gay marriage) may be legal in other less violent societies (Netherlands, Denmark? et al?).

    How does our the US "moral" system of criminalizing violence, but allowing easy promotional access to incite or "train" in such behavior (violence on TV, Movies, computer games) to both youth and adults, compare and contrast with our laws around the perfectly legal, pleasurable, and necessary-for-life, activity of sex and access to materials (P0Rn, accessories, birth control), freedom to decide on nature of relationships (government legitimizes only the single, "[A|E]H[O][A]H"-type relationship, 1M+1W) which has made various types of sexual behavior, aside from the "1-approved-type", illegal at various times and in various ways (laws against sodomy, prostitution, adultery, "unnatural acts" (any sex not resulting in procreation), etc.)?

    The laws controlling method and means to an essential, necessary - for - life - on - this - planet, legal activity of sex are almost entirely based on whims of the dominant religion-based "morals" of that society -- which change from generation to generation. Compare the standard set in the movie, "The Graduate", to the real life story turned upside down of 22yo, recent, female college grad, going to prison for what might appear to be the sexual advances of a student and her not trying to cause him problems as he was transferring out of the school. As the article mentions, the "age of consent" ranges from age 12 in Holland, to 16-18 in the US. In Wisconsin, they have a special state law applying to teachers and therapists that raise the penalties for "supposed" offenders to that of a felony instead of it being a misdemeanor. She was sentenced with the judges admonition of "'you're going to need to look deep into your soul' to change 'your character flaw.'" She was appealing.

    Regardless, if it is constitutionally unethical to enact laws that apply in a matter that it would be judged harmful to an accused, how should laws be ethically applied to an entire generation of people that have been raised under one system, who later find their previous behavior "criminalized".

    It is very hard for most to sympathize or understand this in what is may often be the majority mindset: that is

  88. Sounds like Karma by rajid · · Score: 1

    This is, of course, closely related to the Buddhist idea of Karma in the sense that you build your own way of viewing the world and reacting to the world as you go. If you build negative ways of acting or reacting into your brain, then you're basically building negative Karma. You can build positive Karma as well, and usually with little or no additional effort. I've also read elsewhere that a new habit usually takes about 4 weeks to establish itself, so if you can kick a habit for about a month, you're usually fairly clear of it. (Of course, this article seems to indicate that it may still have some small influence at a later date, but I think we all knew that already. :)