Not sure what "my own definition" would be, i never resorted to name calling..
Perhaps you can provide some real world examples of why your phone needs to access 4GB of ram? So it sort of is marketing BS?
Most systems when installed tend to recommend the max size of virtual memory equal to physical ram which is reduced as the amount of physical ram increases.
For example Solaris recommends that if physical memory is between 2.5 and 16gb the swap is equal to physical. Above 16GB they recommend 16GB.
Looking at the computers in front of me which were setup with the defaults:
Kids content filter has 24GB ram and a max page file of 12GB.
My desktop has 16GB ram and the default page file created is 4GB.
Since the RAM in the phone cant be upgraded you are proposing 1GB of physical ram and up to the max storage capacity of the phone?
This works out to 16x over commitment on the low end and 64X on the high end (1GB physical and 64GB virtual)?
This post started by this comment "Phones are not going to have more than 4GB or RAM any time soon. " RAM, not virtual memory...
I'd be curious to know what you would do with any device with 1GB of physical ram and >4GB of virtual in use. Wouldn't it be spending 99% of its time swapping?
Lastly, 32bit devices can swap just fine, they are just subjected to the 32bit limits (4gb).
Did you read the OP? They state "OS X was designed from the GROUND UP to be 64 bit." I'm simply indicating this is untrue.
The default kernel for compatibility reasons is 32 bit. Any version of OS X before this was ONLY 32 BIT (at least according to Apple) http://support.apple.com/kb/HT3773
Mac OS X v10.6 and later include a 64-bit kernel. On hardware that supports the 64-bit kernel, you can choose whether to start up (boot) your Mac using the 64-bit kernel or the earlier 32-bit kernel.
Boot up snow leopard and see what the default kernel used is, why yes it is the 32 bit.
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Snow Leopard 10.6 default boots into 32-bit kernel, but for developers working on 64-bit kernel extensions, Snow Leopard could boot a 64-bit kernel. This gave developers over 2 years to create 64-bit kernel extensions and drivers.
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Yep, from the "ground up"... Just don't let the facts get in the way..
Oligopoly is a common market form where a small number of firms are in competition. As a quantitative description of oligopoly, the four-firm concentration ratio is often utilized. This measure expresses the market share of the four largest firms in an industry as a percentage. For example, as of fourth quarter 2008, Verizon, AT&T, Sprint, and T-Mobile together control 89% of the US cellular phone market.
Once one does something profitable the others quickly follow...
Population of China (CIA world factbook) 1,349,585,838 (July 2013 est.)
If you subtract 400MM you get roughly 900MM. Since the "official" language is Mandarin even if you speak something else at home I suspect you would count as a mandarin speaker if you know it as well. Case in point my wife's cousin is from fuzhou. He speaks some dialect my wife cant understand (Fuzhou dialect I believe), as well as Mandarin. Would he be a mandarin speaker in China's eyes? Probably.
What about the 900 million who can speak mandarin?
Language - Percent of World Population
Mandarin 12.44%
Spanish 4.85%
English 4.83%
Arabic 3.25%
Hindi 2.68%
Bengali 2.66%
Portuguese 2.62%
Russian 2.12%
Japanese 1.80%
German 1.33%
Javanese 1.25%
Others 61.17%
That is because the "monopoly breaker" (Apple) broke the law by conspiring to set prices whereas what you determine to be a monopoly is not.
You are free to start up your own site and sell books. People might not buy from you but that's not because amazon has a side deal with the publishers (something Apple required with the MFN).
For the smuggling, everyone knows where the "problem" is, but they are exempt and so they crack down on who they can. Did you ever read the report where they took a sample of butts from the government buildings years ago?
I've always wondered what things would look like if they spent less on enforcement and more on addressing the problems. I don't drink or smoke but a lot of people who do use to ask me to bring stuff back when I lived in the US and travelled between the two countries.. it was shameful buying a product "made in Toronto" for around 1/2 the price in Stamford, CT vs Toronto, ON.
I understand the kidnapping thing, but i have traveled with the kids and no mother for years and was stopped once?
How many times were you actually stopped and had it inspected? I use to cross from Canada to the US every few weeks for 4 years. Often with a laptop and other electronics (book reader, MP3 player, cell phones, etc). I just put my laptop into the plastic bin, they x-ray it and i put it back in the bag at the end of the table.
Interesting your experience with the US side is bad. I'm also Canadian, and have traveled to the US a number of times. I've generally found the US guys to be fairly professional and reasonable. I've traveled a few times with young kids and no mother. Naturally the US customs were concerned with this, and spoke with my kids individually trying to make sure they were not being kidnapped.
Now on to Canada customs, i am waiting for the day they measure how much gas is in your tank so they can make you pay GST/PST/HST on any amount they deem to be "excessive".
I once had Canada Customs stop me on reentry and ask about the kids (which all have Canadian passports) as if i was kidnapping them (in reverse)? I thougth that was REALLY weird.
My view is the Canadian customs officers tend to be a lot more concerned with importing smokes or alcohol and being an arm of RevCan and their other duties come secondary.
Do you see where 165 is on the graph? Did you know 165 is the MINIMUM safe temperature for chicken? http://www.foodsafety.gov/keep/charts/mintemp.html
The lowest is precooked pork (since it was already cooked once) at 140F. Again according to the chart this will cause burns within around three seconds. Keep in mind that the minimum food temperatures is the internal temp, so the outside edge is probably much hotter..
Now i guess one is a safety issue while the other is a preference, but we do deal with things at those temperatures daily.
This is in the "will burn you very fast" range, should we serve food below these temperatures as well knowing its NOT safe for consumption because someone might drop it on their leg and cause a burn?
So, should we serve food below these temperatures as well knowing its NOT safe for consumption because someone might drop it on their leg and cause a burn?
I also thought the "As for what a minority of people want. I don't give a flying fuck" comment was a bit ignorant. Wonder if the same feeling is applicable if they were the one in the minority on something, or only when they feel they are with the majority? In the classic "NIMBY" case i suppose they would be willing to have a landfill next door to them as the "majority wants it and they don't give a flying fuck what the minority want"?
You know what, i dont even drink coffee (i'm overly sensitive to temperatures and what some find comfortable i find painfully hot). But given this i understand how coffee is "brewed" and that its probably hot....
I own a number of power tools, and my dad was a woodworker. Most are dangerous under "foreseeable uses". You can use a table-saw in a manner you think it was suppose to be and still get yourself in trouble ("kickback").
I can drive my car EXACTLY how it is suppose to be driven at the posted limits and still have an accident. Part of the issue is "common sense", so with the coffee story, is it common for people to take the lid off the cup by putting something known to be hot between their legs in a "parked car"? One would think the lid was on there for safety reasons (to prevent spilling perhaps)? If so, this is intentionally bypassing the "safety device" and becomes like running a tablesaw without the blade guard on. A lot of people do it as the guard sometimes gets in the way, but it takes years of experience and skill to get to this level.
Much of these "product safety issues" are around big-dollar lawsuits, fed by lawyers encouraging them and a court system granting the payouts.
Someone posted a link that there is a movie about this, i think i will swing by the library and see if they have it. What is also interesting is that at $30 its comparable to many big-budget Hollywood blockbusters.
So what is the temperature as a number? This is the problem with these types of discussions, to much of this is subjective. Anyhow, as I said, some things might be safe for some and not others and this becomes difficult to "enforce". Especially as the "I will sue" and the "its not my fault" groups converge.
The main point was the line is hard to draw when it comes to protecting people. Again, what temperature "should" coffee be served at? What about people who want it hotter so its still hot when they drink it a few minutes later (say stop on the way to work)?
Much like the magnets, what might be safe to some isn't safe for others....
The problem with this train of thought is where do you draw the line? Recall the hot coffee story a number of years ago. What temperate should coffee be served and who is responsible if you drive and spill it on yourself?
Some things already have ridiculous warnings like metal ladders and "do not use near live electrical lines". Does it need to be said that metal conducts electricity and therefor if the ladder touches a live wire bad things will happen?
Everyone is looking for a multi-million dollar lawsuit and so you get product warning labels warning you that the product label warning could give you a paper cut..
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Citation on a phone with >4GB RAM (not storage)?
Not sure what "my own definition" would be, i never resorted to name calling..
Perhaps you can provide some real world examples of why your phone needs to access 4GB of ram? So it sort of is marketing BS?
Most systems when installed tend to recommend the max size of virtual memory equal to physical ram which is reduced as the amount of physical ram increases. For example Solaris recommends that if physical memory is between 2.5 and 16gb the swap is equal to physical. Above 16GB they recommend 16GB.
Looking at the computers in front of me which were setup with the defaults:
Kids content filter has 24GB ram and a max page file of 12GB.
My desktop has 16GB ram and the default page file created is 4GB.
Since the RAM in the phone cant be upgraded you are proposing 1GB of physical ram and up to the max storage capacity of the phone?
This works out to 16x over commitment on the low end and 64X on the high end (1GB physical and 64GB virtual)?
This post started by this comment "Phones are not going to have more than 4GB or RAM any time soon. " RAM, not virtual memory...
I'd be curious to know what you would do with any device with 1GB of physical ram and >4GB of virtual in use. Wouldn't it be spending 99% of its time swapping?
Lastly, 32bit devices can swap just fine, they are just subjected to the 32bit limits (4gb).
Did you read the OP? They state "OS X was designed from the GROUND UP to be 64 bit." I'm simply indicating this is untrue.
The default kernel for compatibility reasons is 32 bit. Any version of OS X before this was ONLY 32 BIT (at least according to Apple) http://support.apple.com/kb/HT3773
Mac OS X v10.6 and later include a 64-bit kernel. On hardware that supports the 64-bit kernel, you can choose whether to start up (boot) your Mac using the 64-bit kernel or the earlier 32-bit kernel.
Boot up snow leopard and see what the default kernel used is, why yes it is the 32 bit.
" Snow Leopard 10.6 default boots into 32-bit kernel, but for developers working on 64-bit kernel extensions, Snow Leopard could boot a 64-bit kernel. This gave developers over 2 years to create 64-bit kernel extensions and drivers. "
Yep, from the "ground up"... Just don't let the facts get in the way..
Seriously? You call someone else an idiot yet your post clearly shows you don't understand the difference between RAM and FLASH storage?
Apparently the phone has 1016 MB RAM.
I always thought they were more of an Oligopoly?
Heck, they are even listed on the wiki page http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oligopoly
Oligopoly is a common market form where a small number of firms are in competition. As a quantitative description of oligopoly, the four-firm concentration ratio is often utilized. This measure expresses the market share of the four largest firms in an industry as a percentage. For example, as of fourth quarter 2008, Verizon, AT&T, Sprint, and T-Mobile together control 89% of the US cellular phone market.
Once one does something profitable the others quickly follow...
Population of China (CIA world factbook) 1,349,585,838 (July 2013 est.)
If you subtract 400MM you get roughly 900MM. Since the "official" language is Mandarin even if you speak something else at home I suspect you would count as a mandarin speaker if you know it as well. Case in point my wife's cousin is from fuzhou. He speaks some dialect my wife cant understand (Fuzhou dialect I believe), as well as Mandarin. Would he be a mandarin speaker in China's eyes? Probably.
Funny.. I just copy/pasted the table from wikipedia and it has the mistake..... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_languages_by_number_of_native_speakers
What about the 900 million who can speak mandarin?
Language - Percent of World Population
Mandarin 12.44%
Spanish 4.85%
English 4.83%
Arabic 3.25%
Hindi 2.68%
Bengali 2.66%
Portuguese 2.62%
Russian 2.12%
Japanese 1.80%
German 1.33%
Javanese 1.25%
Others 61.17%
Was looking for that same poem to post but couldn't remember its name...
That is because the "monopoly breaker" (Apple) broke the law by conspiring to set prices whereas what you determine to be a monopoly is not. You are free to start up your own site and sell books. People might not buy from you but that's not because amazon has a side deal with the publishers (something Apple required with the MFN).
Next time you enter Canada take note of what they ask you...
For the smuggling, everyone knows where the "problem" is, but they are exempt and so they crack down on who they can. Did you ever read the report where they took a sample of butts from the government buildings years ago?
http://www.thestar.com/news/canada/2010/05/17/government_employees_big_buyers_of_illegal_cigarettes.html
I've always wondered what things would look like if they spent less on enforcement and more on addressing the problems. I don't drink or smoke but a lot of people who do use to ask me to bring stuff back when I lived in the US and travelled between the two countries.. it was shameful buying a product "made in Toronto" for around 1/2 the price in Stamford, CT vs Toronto, ON.
I understand the kidnapping thing, but i have traveled with the kids and no mother for years and was stopped once?
How many times were you actually stopped and had it inspected? I use to cross from Canada to the US every few weeks for 4 years. Often with a laptop and other electronics (book reader, MP3 player, cell phones, etc). I just put my laptop into the plastic bin, they x-ray it and i put it back in the bag at the end of the table.
Interesting your experience with the US side is bad. I'm also Canadian, and have traveled to the US a number of times. I've generally found the US guys to be fairly professional and reasonable. I've traveled a few times with young kids and no mother. Naturally the US customs were concerned with this, and spoke with my kids individually trying to make sure they were not being kidnapped.
Now on to Canada customs, i am waiting for the day they measure how much gas is in your tank so they can make you pay GST/PST/HST on any amount they deem to be "excessive".
I once had Canada Customs stop me on reentry and ask about the kids (which all have Canadian passports) as if i was kidnapping them (in reverse)? I thougth that was REALLY weird.
My view is the Canadian customs officers tend to be a lot more concerned with importing smokes or alcohol and being an arm of RevCan and their other duties come secondary.
Just got back from the local pizza place. From their oven to my plate...
Do you see where 165 is on the graph? Did you know 165 is the MINIMUM safe temperature for chicken?
http://www.foodsafety.gov/keep/charts/mintemp.html
The lowest is precooked pork (since it was already cooked once) at 140F. Again according to the chart this will cause burns within around three seconds. Keep in mind that the minimum food temperatures is the internal temp, so the outside edge is probably much hotter..
Now i guess one is a safety issue while the other is a preference, but we do deal with things at those temperatures daily.
As i posted below, most food we eat have to be ABOVE 145 with 160 - 165 being the average: http://www.foodsafety.gov/keep/charts/mintemp.html
This is in the "will burn you very fast" range, should we serve food below these temperatures as well knowing its NOT safe for consumption because someone might drop it on their leg and cause a burn?
Oddly enough the temperatures on your graph are also lower then the minimum safe temperates for MOST of the food we eat.
http://www.foodsafety.gov/keep/charts/mintemp.html
So, should we serve food below these temperatures as well knowing its NOT safe for consumption because someone might drop it on their leg and cause a burn?
I also thought the "As for what a minority of people want. I don't give a flying fuck" comment was a bit ignorant.
Wonder if the same feeling is applicable if they were the one in the minority on something, or only when they feel they are with the majority? In the classic "NIMBY" case i suppose they would be willing to have a landfill next door to them as the "majority wants it and they don't give a flying fuck what the minority want"?
You know what, i dont even drink coffee (i'm overly sensitive to temperatures and what some find comfortable i find painfully hot). But given this i understand how coffee is "brewed" and that its probably hot....
I own a number of power tools, and my dad was a woodworker. Most are dangerous under "foreseeable uses". You can use a table-saw in a manner you think it was suppose to be and still get yourself in trouble ("kickback").
I can drive my car EXACTLY how it is suppose to be driven at the posted limits and still have an accident. Part of the issue is "common sense", so with the coffee story, is it common for people to take the lid off the cup by putting something known to be hot between their legs in a "parked car"? One would think the lid was on there for safety reasons (to prevent spilling perhaps)? If so, this is intentionally bypassing the "safety device" and becomes like running a tablesaw without the blade guard on. A lot of people do it as the guard sometimes gets in the way, but it takes years of experience and skill to get to this level.
Much of these "product safety issues" are around big-dollar lawsuits, fed by lawyers encouraging them and a court system granting the payouts.
Someone posted a link that there is a movie about this, i think i will swing by the library and see if they have it. What is also interesting is that at $30 its comparable to many big-budget Hollywood blockbusters.
So what is the temperature as a number? This is the problem with these types of discussions, to much of this is subjective. Anyhow, as I said, some things might be safe for some and not others and this becomes difficult to "enforce". Especially as the "I will sue" and the "its not my fault" groups converge.
The main point was the line is hard to draw when it comes to protecting people. Again, what temperature "should" coffee be served at? What about people who want it hotter so its still hot when they drink it a few minutes later (say stop on the way to work)?
Much like the magnets, what might be safe to some isn't safe for others....
The problem with this train of thought is where do you draw the line? Recall the hot coffee story a number of years ago. What temperate should coffee be served and who is responsible if you drive and spill it on yourself?
Some things already have ridiculous warnings like metal ladders and "do not use near live electrical lines". Does it need to be said that metal conducts electricity and therefor if the ladder touches a live wire bad things will happen?
Everyone is looking for a multi-million dollar lawsuit and so you get product warning labels warning you that the product label warning could give you a paper cut..