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Can Even Apple Make a Watch Insanely Smart?

theodp writes "Throwing some cold water on the buzz surrounding the Galaxy Gear Smartwatch launch, The New Yorker's Matt Buchanan questions how smart a watch can really be. Calling offerings like the Galaxy Gear useful but not the stuff of dreams and revolutions, Buchanan writes, 'So there remains a strange undercurrent of hope that somebody-Apple-will figure out, soon, some grander vision for wearable technology, transforming it from something that people have vaguely imagined into something people intensely desire. It did it for smartphones, once, and again, for tablets. The question that Apple has been charged with, since nobody has definitively answered it yet, is whether the lack of an invention that truly carries us beyond the last five hundred years of wrist-mounted technology is the result of a failure of imagination or simply a fact of nature-that a watch will always just be a watch, no matter how smart it might think it is.' So, will you be an early adopter and drink Samsung's or Sony's smartwatch Kool-Aid, wait to see what Apple comes up with, or hold out for a Windows Forearm Pad 8?"

196 comments

  1. Another Fail by TFlan91 · · Score: 0

    Another Slashdot Fail.... Go back to school ffs.

    1. Re:Another Fail by c0lo · · Score: 1

      the last five hundred years of wrist-mounted technology is the result of a failure

      Say what?? A smartass New Yorker wants to impress but fails to fact check

      Wrist watches is a technology only about 100 years old

      Before wristwatches became popular in the 1920s, most watches were pocket watches, which often had covers and were carried in a pocket and attached to a watch chain or watch fob.[3] In the early 1900s, the wristwatch, originally called a Wristlet, was reserved for women and considered more of a passing fad than a serious timepiece. Men, who carried pocket watches, were quoted as saying they would "sooner wear a skirt as wear a wristwatch"

      Speakinf for myself, I'd rather wear a 16 core desktop than a smart watch; carrying the desktop, at least I'd have the advantage of the physical exercise, with a smart watch one can do mostly nothing: not enough computation power, screen economy, batery life.

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    2. Re:Another Fail by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Speakinf for myself, I'd rather wear a 16 core desktop than a smart watch; carrying the desktop, at least I'd have the advantage of the physical exercise, with a smart watch one can do mostly nothing: not enough computation power, screen economy, batery life.

      Then buy a backpack, cram a tower into it and warn people not to trip over your "world's longest extension cord". You can blog about the experience in real-time ... and the people who are laughing at you will upload pics and videos of you with their phones, tablets and other mobile devices.

    3. Re:Another Fail by GrumpySteen · · Score: 3, Informative

      Wrist watches is a technology only about 100 years old

      Patek Philippe created the first wristwatch in 1868 for Countess Koscowicz of Hungary., so 145 years.

      That said, the smartass reporter did some research; Wearable watches date back about 500 years, but they appear to have been worn as necklaces (Flavor-Flav in the 16th century yo) rather than on the wrist. He just confused wearable with wrist-mounted.

    4. Re:Another Fail by hairyfeet · · Score: 1

      Or he can buy one of those AMD quad laptops and be able to do a million more things a bazillion times better than a so called "smart watch".

      I do find it ironic how the tech corps are pushing "smart watches are the wave of the future!" when more and more people are treating watches like 8-tracks and not wearing a watch, preferring to check their smartphone. Hell even my elderly parents have quit wearing watches, they find the big screen of their Android phones easier to read and includes the weather. Folks are always messing with their phones anyway so why not?

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    5. Re:Another Fail by spire3661 · · Score: 1

      Yep, these watches are going no where fast. They need to be cheap, and last for days.

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    6. Re:Another Fail by Plumpaquatsch · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Nothing is funnier than a Techno Hipster making fun of somebody wearing a wrist watch while he unpacks his phablet to check the time.

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    7. Re:Another Fail by samwichse · · Score: 1

      On an offtopic note:

      When Abe Simpson says he "tied an onion to my belt, which was the style at the time," it's taken as insane old-man ramblings, but it's actually a very obscure reference to the old school watches... called "onions" or "turnips."

      See the last sentence here:
      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_watches#1800.E2.80.931850_Lever_escapement

    8. Re:Another Fail by hairyfeet · · Score: 1

      Actually I'd call it more retro than techno. After all my grandfather would reach into his pocket to check the time on his pocketwatch, and now we reach into our pocket and get the time, temp, reminders, and so much more. Plate it with brass and it'd be almost steampunk.

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    9. Re:Another Fail by nobodie · · Score: 1

      I'm a 60 year old techno super/hyper hipster. I stopped wearing a wristwatch in the mid-90s when they just started falling off, and I mean one after another after another till I got tired of it. Then I went for 5 or 6 years without any watch at all before I bought a $3.00 Chinese army pocket watch. It was awesome, until it took a dunk. Oh well. I learned then that really if you just pay attention to the "feeling " of the passage of time and the shadows and light you really don't need a watch. I can usually (if I'm not totally wiped out tired) tell you the time to within ten minutes at any time of day or night. I can also wake up at any time of day or night from a deep sleep.

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  2. Steve Jobs on your Wrist... by dryriver · · Score: 0

    The Apple iWatch will have a 3D avatar of Steve Jobs on its screen at all times. This will make the iWatch "Insanely Smart". Each time you want iWatch to do something, all you have to do is say something to the Steve Jobs avatar on the screen. Things like "400 Million Chinese can't speak Mandarin. Can you fix this somehow, iWristWatchSteve?" The iWatch being designed from the outset to be "insanely smart", China's language problem will get fixed in 100 ms. =)

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    1. Re:Steve Jobs on your Wrist... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      China's language problem will get fixed in 100 ms. =)

      Technically it will be Algeria's language problems that get fixed in 100 ms. Unless Apple iWatch is allowed to use Google maps.

    2. Re:Steve Jobs on your Wrist... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Little Steve on your wrist will tell you that you are holding it wrong. Holding what? Well, what do you think you might be holding in the hand that shares a wrist with your watch? Yep, when Steve tells you it is too small you can say "that's what she said".

    3. Re: Steve Jobs on your Wrist... by nospam007 · · Score: 1

      "400 Million Chinese can't speak Mandarin"

      What about us 6 billion 600 million Non- Chinese who can't speak Mandarin?
      I want to get fixed too.

    4. Re: Steve Jobs on your Wrist... by dk20 · · Score: 2

      What about the 900 million who can speak mandarin?

      Language - Percent of World Population
      Mandarin 12.44%
      Spanish 4.85%
      English 4.83%
      Arabic 3.25%
      Hindi 2.68%
      Bengali 2.66%
      Portuguese 2.62%
      Russian 2.12%
      Japanese 1.80%
      German 1.33%
      Javanese 1.25%
      Others 61.17%

    5. Re: Steve Jobs on your Wrist... by shadowrat · · Score: 2

      i had 3 years of others in high school. i never really did learn the verbs.

    6. Re:Steve Jobs on your Wrist... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Reminds me of this "Slideshow: The Most Amazing 3D Holographic Watch in the World"
      http://www.eetimes.com/author.asp?section_id=36&doc_id=1319286&image_number=1

      Bet you that it will have the same problem.

    7. Re:Steve Jobs on your Wrist... by MrKaos · · Score: 2

      The Apple iWatch will have a 3D avatar of Steve Jobs on its screen at all times. This will make the iWatch "Insanely Smart".

      The innovation will be that it's actually called "myWatch" and Apple will extract royalties directly from your account on the use of the name every time it records you saying "let me check my watch". Apple stocks will soar!

      Later software updates (that you have to agree with so that you can continue to use your music collection that you don't own) will extract royalties every time you think it.

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    8. Re: Steve Jobs on your Wrist... by davester666 · · Score: 1

      Well, go see your local doctor. A little snip, and poof, you are fixed.

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    9. Re: Steve Jobs on your Wrist... by fatgraham · · Score: 2

      Javanese is the overly excited language programmers speak at around 10am after 4 cups of coffee right?

    10. Re: Steve Jobs on your Wrist... by dk20 · · Score: 1

      Funny.. I just copy/pasted the table from wikipedia and it has the mistake..... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_languages_by_number_of_native_speakers

    11. Re:Steve Jobs on your Wrist... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Apple does use Google Maps.

    12. Re: Steve Jobs on your Wrist... by Sabriel · · Score: 1

      Mistake? Java is an island of Indonesia, with over a hundred million people (also making it the world's most populous island and one of the most densely-populated places in the world).

      It's not just a programming language and a cup of coffee. :)

    13. Re: Steve Jobs on your Wrist... by jrumney · · Score: 1

      What about the 900 million who can speak mandarin?

      Doesn't that need revising now that the Chinese government has admitted that 400 million of them cannot speak it after all? Based on the figures for English, that seems to be counting only first language speakers, so Mandarin should be lower still (Chinese government may call all of China outside of a couple of special administrative regions native speakers, but the reality is very different, and many more will speak it as a second language in addition to the 400 million who cannot speak it).

    14. Re: Steve Jobs on your Wrist... by dk20 · · Score: 1

      Population of China (CIA world factbook) 1,349,585,838 (July 2013 est.)
      If you subtract 400MM you get roughly 900MM. Since the "official" language is Mandarin even if you speak something else at home I suspect you would count as a mandarin speaker if you know it as well. Case in point my wife's cousin is from fuzhou. He speaks some dialect my wife cant understand (Fuzhou dialect I believe), as well as Mandarin. Would he be a mandarin speaker in China's eyes? Probably.

  3. Wait by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

    I'll wait to see what Apple (or anyone else) comes out with but I don't hold out much hope for any of them - seems like a lost cause. The marginal increase in convenience from having it on your wrist compared to taking it out of your pocket just doesn't counter the decrease in display size and functionality compared to a phone. Even if it was extremely low cost, if I have the phone with me anyway, why bother with the watch?

    1. Re:Wait by AmiMoJo · · Score: 3, Interesting

      I think there are genuine use cases for it. Rather than keeping your phone in a pocket close to your body it can stay in your jacket or bag because you will definitely feel the watch vibrating. The watch will be audible in almost any clothing too, where as a phone in your bag can go unnoticed unless it's really, really loud.

      A watch would also be nice for doing things like contactless payments. I see a lot of people travelling on public transport paying with their phones, but I'd prefer to have a cheap watch I can brush against the payment pad instead of having to take my expensive phone out.

      For Google Now type notifications it might be nice as well. Kind of like how Glass shows you stuff all the time, but less intrusive and maybe more socially acceptable.

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    2. Re:Wait by Electricity+Likes+Me · · Score: 3, Informative

      Most of those things you mentioned fail for the watch use case though.

      Contact-less payments are a nightmare - the possibility of an unintentional scan is pretty damn high. Ah you say, but you'll require you to authenticate - well ok, but now you've turned a one-handed action (remove phone from pocket, press "allow" and swipe) into a two-handed action (hold hand against scanner, use other hand to press "allow" on the watch face").

      The Watch is a really terrible form factor for pretty much anything that's not passive, because there is no possible way to control it with the hand of the arm it's worn on - it takes things which only need one hand on your smart phone to implicitly involving two.

    3. Re:Wait by AmiMoJo · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Japanese phones with contactless payment allows you to pre-authorize certain services. For example you could pre-authorize Japan Rail, then when you want to use the train you just brush against the payment pad as you go through the barrier. No danger of accidentally paying for anything else.

      In any case I don't think the accidental payment issue is a major one. There have been incidents of it happening but only because the payment machines have had too much range. Once the banks get on top of that an make sure the machines only work up to about 10mm it will be fine. The banks are obviously keen to prevent accidental payments and improve the customer's experience, and so are the retailers because it costs them money when it happens. The system has been in use in Japan for a decade now and works just fine, the teething problems having long since been worked out.

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    4. Re:Wait by foniksonik · · Score: 0

      Disney, whom Apple has a great relationship with, demonstrated a technology recently that may change your mind about this.

      http://www.extremetech.com/computing/128715-disney-touche-turns-everyday-objects-into-multi-touch-gesture-recognizing-interfaces

      the video postulates a future where you interact with your smartphone (or other wearable/implanted computer) by performing touch gestures on your own body. Grasp your own hands to stop the music, tap on your palm with two fingers to go forward a track, ball one hand to pop up the local weather on your Google Glasses HUD and so on.

      This may not be available for an iWatch yet but it's on the horizon.

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    5. Re:Wait by Grishnakh · · Score: 3, Funny

      That's Japan. You think American banks give a shit about improving customers' experiences? I think not.

    6. Re:Wait by the_other_chewey · · Score: 1

      In any case I don't think the accidental payment issue is a major one. There have been incidents of it happening but only because the payment machines have had too much range. Once the banks get on top of that an make sure the machines only work up to about 10mm it will be fine.

      That won't do - a malicious scanner will not abide by the standards. It's the device's
      job to enforce distance limits. And I don't see that working without a proximity sensor:
      A better antenna on the scanner improves both sending and receiving range.

      Unfortunately, with mandatory proximity sensing, the usecase of "keep device in the
      bag and just wave past the scanner" is out. Passive devices are out too (make sure
      to wrap your "proximity pay"-enabled cards in metal).

      So maybe that's the use case for a pay watch. I wouldn't bet on it though.

    7. Re:Wait by hebertrich · · Score: 1

      For easy payments and tap , new technology in the form of a two sided ring is appearing and could catch on fast.
      Two sides one for public side info the other is private at all cost info .Near field will catch on.Good time to invest in the technology.

    8. Re:Wait by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Accidental payments are already a problem. Many UK supermarkets use them at checkouts, and people are getting double charged when they present a difference card. It's been all over the news for months.

    9. Re:Wait by slash.jit · · Score: 1

      I think for Samsung watch is purely a marketing strategy to sell more of its big phones like the Note which people might not want to carry in their pockets and can keep in their bags +$300 watch.
      I think watch is terrible for phone calls unless used with bluetooth headset, for which you don't need a watch.

      For Apple it wouldn't make any sense to make a watch but they can definitely sell it as they are very good at design because watch has become essentially more of a fashion than a time keeping device. They had it with the previous generation iPod nano, they just had to add bluetooth. I don't think Apple should waste their time in watch. They should spend their RnD in something more advanced like Google glass technology. Google glass has potential for more natural interaction with us than watch if they can somehow control it using our brain pulses. Now Google glass definitely has some privacy concerns and eye strain issues but from a future perspective I think glass is a better wearable device to invest in than a watch.

    10. Re:Wait by peragrin · · Score: 0

      this combined with a modified projection system so that your arm becomes part of an extended low res screen. might just do the trick.

      but watches suck I only wear one while racing and then for only as long as the start. first chance I get the watch is off my wrist and put some where conveient.

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    11. Re:Wait by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Let the watch register the movements of your hand by the tension exerted on it from the tendons going through your wrist. It might also be possible to detect the movement or tension on the skin of the wrist that is caused by hand movements. In that case you'd just need a single distinctive hand movement that you perform in response to a vibrated challenge from the watch. Then it would still be one-handed.

    12. Re:Wait by TheGavster · · Score: 1

      I was one of the kickstart backers for Pebble, and have been using the watch every day for ~5 months. There are two things that keep me putting it on every day, despite having to remember to charge it once a week or so:

      - Text messages and incoming calls on your wrist. The difference between looking at your wrist and pulling out a phone seems negligible, but remember that you don't have to hold onto a wristwatch.
      - You never miss a vibrate alert that's strapped to your wrist. I'll sometimes have something get between my phone and my leg, or have the phone in a bag on my bike.

      Now, there's a big gulf between the Pebble and the device the Samsung showed us last week (I haven't looked at Sony's offering). I think the key is to not replicate a phone function unless it's made better/easier. Case in point: the trend seems to be towards a small color display; this is inferior to the phone. Pebble has a tiny, low res b/w screen, but it's readable in direct sunlight which my phone won't do (unless I two-hand it to shade the screen).

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    13. Re:Wait by msobkow · · Score: 1

      To be honest, I can't think of any use cases for a so-called smart watch that requires a companion device. But it kind of fails as a standalone device as well:

      • You wouldn't want to use a "wrist phone" feature because you'd have to be using a speaker phone all the time to hear anything, or always wearing a bluetooth headset (though I guess that wouldn't be too bad an option.)
      • The surface area of any reasonably sized wristwatch is too small for showing useful maps. Maybe a direction-to-go indicator, but that's about it.
      • You'd go blind trying to read text messages on such a small screen
      • Good luck trying to type in a text message on a watch-sized device
      • I can't see a camera being particularly workable, either, as you're either using a teeny tiny watch screen as your "viewfinder" or just shooting blind. The only "use" I can see for this feature is the spy-cam "coolness" idea of imaging documents. And methinks a lot of companies would have an issue with that.
      • Apps? Don't make me laugh. You're lucky if you can display 4 lines of readable text on a watch face.
      • MP3 player? Do you really want a headphone jack and wire dangling from your wrist?

      So really, I can't see them being marketable as standalone devices. And as companion devices, the $300 price range they seem to be targetting is a hell of a lot of money for "look -- it shows me who's calling without pulling out my phone!"

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    14. Re:Wait by rasmusbr · · Score: 1

      I'll wait to see what Apple (or anyone else) comes out with but I don't hold out much hope for any of them - seems like a lost cause. The marginal increase in convenience from having it on your wrist compared to taking it out of your pocket just doesn't counter the decrease in display size and functionality compared to a phone. Even if it was extremely low cost, if I have the phone with me anyway, why bother with the watch?

      Any increase in convenience,however marginal, has been enough in the past to sell products and services if everything else about the product is up to par.

      You still keep your phone just like you did before. The cost is not that you lose your phone, the cost is that you're going to have to wear something around your wrist again like in the olden days. That thing then has to look good enough, has to be reasonably comfortable, can't get too much in the way, etc.

      The main problem for Apple and other prospective smartwatch makers is going to be competing with established watchmakers over style and other perceived qualities. Well, that and getting the size of the thing down while simultaneously achieving decent battery life.

    15. Re:Wait by blackest_k · · Score: 1

      just maybe it could be the handset part of a phone bluetooth linked. For the smart part of a phone you need a decent sized screen but for a phone call a small handset might be workable. There's little point in carrying 2 billable mobile communication devices.

      Time ,heart monitor/ exercise, maybe text message / alert display. It might be handy to be able to see if an important email had come in or the usual rubbish. Remote for your music playing to bluetooth headphones. facebook alerts possibly why not slashdot stories. or news feeds. stock prices that you have an interest in.

      Maybe as a sort of secretary filtering alerts. might be cool if it could act as a siri like interface to pull in useful data. would be nice if you could trigger it discretely to listen and return relevant information.

      i think if it can do alerts that either you choose to ignore or pull out a larger device to respond to would be the most use. secondary features such as map /directions could be useful, or maybe run sound hound without dragging out your phone.

      maybe it could help locate friends in clubs, light up in bluetooth range. Hide and seek might be fun with a smart watch. Actually i think a perfect application would be for locating your kids. imagine getting an alert if your kids got out of range.

           

    16. Re:Wait by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Don't forget that some people have small hands....none of the smart phones that are popular these days are small enough for me to comfortably use one-handed. If I already have to use my other hand to press allow on the phone, then the watch form factor isn't less convenient.

    17. Re:Wait by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Contact-less payments are a nightmare - the possibility of an unintentional scan is pretty damn high.

      Spoken like someone who had never used contact-less payment before.

      News for you, contact-less payment has been in use in Asian cities for over a decade (just one example http://www.octopus.com.hk/home/en/index.html launched 16 years ago), and most people has no nightmares of paying unintentionally.

      And yes, they have watches also http://www.octopus.com.hk/get-your-octopus/choose-your-octopus/licensed-octopus-products/en/index.html

    18. Re:Wait by khchung · · Score: 1

      That won't do - a malicious scanner will not abide by the standards.

      And it is STUPID to make a malicious scanner for the purpose of stealing money from the contact-less payment device.

      All payments through these contact-less device has 2 parties, the payer and the payee, in normal case, the transaction will be logged by both and reconciled centrally.

      By building a malicious scanner, the clearing center will just get the "deduct money" half of the transaction, and no "receive money" side from any valid merchant. These orphaned transactions will be easily flagged and reversed. And then where will you collect real money from what you "stole" with the malicious scanner?

      A much smarter way is to make a malicious wallet, which will pretend to "pay out" whatever amount to valid merchant devices, so you can "buy" whatever you like for free. It won't be caught until the transaction was found out during clearing, but you will be long gone by then.

      On the whole, it was no less secure than a lost credit card. And in the same way, some merchant devices (especially those accepting larger payments) will do real time, or near real time, communication with the central server, so it will identify malicious wallet right away.

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    19. Re:Wait by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Japanese banks suck just as much. They even charge you to put money INTO your account.

    20. Re:Wait by StuartHankins · · Score: 1

      At some future point I can see human-embeddable devices becoming commonplace, and this is a beta proving ground for the concept. The phone is an accessory people carry everywhere... shrink it and figure out a way for batteries to be charged through motion or vibration and have much improved recharged cycles. I can see someone getting an ear implant to go along with it.

      May not happen in our lifetime, but it's not so far out there as to be impossible either. Think of the Human+ movement.

    21. Re:Wait by StuartHankins · · Score: 1

      Partner the watch with a Google-Glass-type augmented accessory and it becomes much more usable.

    22. Re:Wait by Electricity+Likes+Me · · Score: 1

      Contact-less payments are a nightmare - the possibility of an unintentional scan is pretty damn high.

      Spoken like someone who had never used contact-less payment before.

      News for you, contact-less payment has been in use in Asian cities for over a decade (just one example http://www.octopus.com.hk/home/en/index.html launched 16 years ago), and most people has no nightmares of paying unintentionally.

      And yes, they have watches also http://www.octopus.com.hk/get-your-octopus/choose-your-octopus/licensed-octopus-products/en/index.html

      I use contact-less payment all the time in Australia these days. But I don't wear my credit cards on my risk, since my hand goes near a lot of contact-less scanners just as a part of interacting with the checkout. If I'm getting on a bus, it could gets even nearer routinely. A watch would be on my hand. Which puts it in the accidental scan zone. Unless I have to push a button to validate - which, with a phone, I can still do one handed. With a watch I have to use two hands.

  4. IMHO by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The Samsung Gear is a joke. It must be joke. Terrible design, laggy, stuttering, poor battery life, too expensive, limited use case and compatibility.
    A rushed product to yell "FIRST!" like a stupid troll in a forum. Despite not being first.

    If Apple is not able to blow way people (and the mediocre Gear) then the smartwatch is indeed dead. But it will be tough, really really tough to pull that off.
    And even then I'm not convinced that it will be a smash hit like the iPhone or the iPad.

    1. Re:IMHO by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I agree that this is going to be hard to make work in a practical way. But, Apple's iPod Nano is almost the right size already and has a lot of iOS functionality built into it (plus a radio).

      I'm not sure if the "smart watch" has a place in today's world, but most companies that are trying to produce one aren't "smart" when it comes to this type of product. Maybe in 5 years when the tech & battery life is ready to be crammed into that small a space.

      Keep in mind that we all refer back to when XYZ company came out with a XYZ product long before Apple tried to make it "cool" (even the Newton was too soon for the tech it needed). We're at that point with smart watches. In a few years we'll be decrying Apple for selling them to the masses and claiming XYZ company did it first. Wash, rince, repeat.

    2. Re:IMHO by clay_shooter · · Score: 1

      The nano doesn't have iOS functionality or at least it doesn't provide the iOS api for new apps. IMNHO he nano screen needs to be about twice as wide to be useful in any "more than nerd toy" way.

  5. Already Got One by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Pebble http://getpebble.com/

    1. Re:Already Got One by geogob · · Score: 2, Funny

      You probably meant to say "we, at pebble, already produce and sell a similar product that might interest some of you as a nice alternative to the product discussed here. You can read more about it at http://oursite.com/"

      At least do it honneslty if you want to place your product. People, especially on tech sites, are always open to interesting products... If presented the right way. Now you just look like a lamer that doesn't understand what we want and do not want. How can I trust you to know what I want as an intelligent watch.

      Please go sleep over this.

    2. Re:Already Got One by DJRikki · · Score: 4, Informative
    3. Re: Already Got One by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If one of your complaints is the watch strap, you should not review watches.

    4. Re:Already Got One by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Definitely not what I (as the AC you're replying to) meant to say. I am not with Pebble, I don't sell any products, and I get no kickbacks of any variety. I am just a person who, if I happen to hear a person asking a question that I have opinions about, will answer. Since I own a Pebble, I have opinions about its ability to fill a need.

    5. Re:Already Got One by Nerdfest · · Score: 1

      I just got mine recently, and it's fantastic at what it does. Notifications, weather, Google Now support, and more. I just tried a biking app for it that shows speed, distance, and elevation. You can actually read the thing in sunlight and the battery lasts a week. It's too bad they're not more readily available.

    6. Re:Already Got One by webmistressrachel · · Score: 1, Insightful

      You're definitely more likely to be a shill, based on the comment you replied to, and your carefully written but spurious argument and "high horse". You reek of "corporate responsibility" and all the duplicity that goes with that.

      First of all, why have we got any reason to believe that if someone were promoting Pebble for reward, they'd make a dumb anecdotal comment and ju st give the link?

      Since the Pebble is a) more open (computing-wise), b) a lot cheaper and c) a commodity (replacable) item, as opposed to the iWatch's inevitable proprietory platform and vendor lock-in (Will it work fully )with anybody else's smartphones?), anybody promoting it would likely point out these things, and others, giving us REASON to click the link and buy.

      You're using words like lamer, implying things you can't possibly read into the comment, like whether he understands what "we" want - this also simultaneously implies that you speak for all of us (if you want something like and iWatch, iPad etc. - you definitely don't speak for all of us!!)

      This is the exact same manipulation technique used by shills (government and corporate) to control our purchasing and thought patterns - resulting in the system of control and manipulation Apple et. al. are at the top of right now.

      tl;dr: He accuses the parent of being a shill, his comment makes it look more the other way round.

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    7. Re:Already Got One by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If presented the right way.

      That being "New product announcement from Apple". For any other company slashdot gives almost no coverage. I can't say I blame them for using the comments section to get SOME coverage when it is basically impossible to compete with the Apple hype machine. Fuck, Apple haven't even come out with anything yet and already their competitors are being casually dismissed by the industry estalishment (and yes, that includes slashdot).

    8. Re:Already Got One by CODiNE · · Score: 1

      Awwww... "lamer". I haven't seen that in YEARS! Fond memories.

      Now I wanna play Tradewars.

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    9. Re:Already Got One by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Shame its crap :( Ive got one too - http://uxxv.wordpress.com/2013/09/08/the-pebble-watch-geek-curiosity-not-for-public-consumption/

      Maybe you should get a better phone. Seriously, I've used mine on two different Android phones and the problems you list are definitely not with the watch. Should Pebble be blamed if Apple can't get multitasking and bluetooth pairing right?

    10. Re: Already Got One by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes. Their integration is not tight enough for apple fanboys tight anus.

    11. Re:Already Got One by geogob · · Score: 0

      Definitely not what I (as the AC you're replying to) meant to say. I am not with Pebble

      At least there's two of us bad at spotting shills. Just as bad as we are spotting sarcasm I guess.

    12. Re:Already Got One by geogob · · Score: 0

      Most likely not

    13. Re:Already Got One by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Actually I've used one for about 6 months now and it does exactly what I wanted it to do... Mainly sending call, txt and email data to my wrist instead of having to pull my phone from my pocket, briefcase. Haven't had it fail once yet.

  6. missing the point by Tom · · Score: 4, Insightful

    It doesn't have to be "incredibly smart". It just has to be smart in the right places.

    The original iPhone didn't really do anything that wasn't available elsewhere already. But it bundled the proper things together in the proper way and had the proper design to make it all work well. I had owned several PDAs before, but the iPhone was the PDA I had always wanted.

    Same for the watch. My bet is that while everyone else is working on cramming as much crap into the watch as possible. Apple is busy making sure there is no crap on it, only the right mix of the right stuff you really want on your wrist.

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    1. Re:missing the point by halexists · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Amen.

      When you look at the iPhone, Apple figured out how to make it do stuff people craved to do over and over, but not gadgety stuff that sounds sci-fi cool and you only want to try out once. The Samsung watch has a LOT of cool tech packed into it, but reported lagginess will kill it in the market. Nobody wants to wait to interact with their watch.

      To expound on what the right mix of stuff probably is for a watch, the focus should be on things that people will want to do multiple times a day, and things that take less time than the same task on a smartphone (a tall order to be sure). The only way a "smartwatch" gains traction is by adding utility in two areas: 1) you couldn't do something without that specific form factor and 2) you could pull your phone out of your pocket/purse, but it's faster to just use the watch.

      That is a tall order of niche to fill with a device that will cost at least a couple of bills. And if it can't do those things reliably (i.e. pairing issues, responsiveness) then nobody cares. I would give Apple the best odds at pulling it off if anyone can in this decade.

    2. Re:missing the point by AmiMoJo · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Simply having a lot of crap is not the problem. High end Android phones have a lot of features, but you can easily manage them and turn off the ones you don't want. Customizability is key, making the phone work according to the user's preferences and with the features they want.

      With Apple it's Apple's way or the highway. That's fine if your needs and preferences happen to match Apple's.

      I just hope that there are standards for smart watches, and interoperability. Obviously Apple's watch will be Apple only, but I'm hoping Android will be better as it seems that "smart peripherals" like Glass are where we are headed (no pun intended).

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    3. Re:missing the point by Kartu · · Score: 0

      You didn't need a visionary to combine PDA and a phone.
      Gestures with pitch to zoom etc were there even back in mid 90th, on (at that time) very expensive prototypes.
      Once right tech was there, pda-phones or smartphones if you want, were inevitable.

      And once everyone did that, Apple is oh so far behind. (still that PDA icon grid thing and no widgets, give me a break)
      It still sells well because it is a fashion device, but that's it.

      iWatch will probably be as popular as apple TV.

    4. Re:missing the point by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Troll

      The only thing Apple ever does right is target stupid people.

    5. Re:missing the point by Tom · · Score: 4, Insightful

      You, Sir, have no idea what the heck you are talking about.

      You still think that technology matters, but it frankly doesn't, or very little. It's not who has the coolest widgets, it is who can make it work.

      All the PDAs at that time, all of them, without exception, were toys. Average people wouldn't touch one with a ten foot pole. Heck, I'm an IT guy and I considered them barely useable. In fact, for serious stuff I even moved back to paper and pen.

      The iPhone was, above all, useable. No, more then that, it was a pleasure to use. That's why it essentially started the smartphone market even though smartphones had been around for quite a while already.

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    6. Re:missing the point by fermion · · Score: 1
      RIght, it is the integration of the product. The iPhone actually is not a good phone, but it is a good pocket mobile device. If you want a phone, or a a TV streaming device, or a hotspot, then but another product that is engineered to do that.

      The iPod was the same thing. No wireless, less space than a nomad, but I eventually replaced my nomad with an iPod because the firewire less me transfer music quickly, the build quality was much better, and the fact that I could move music quickly meant that I did not need very expensive removable storage on the Nomad.

      We see this where computers where some laptops are sold on the basis on number of USB and HDMI ports.

      The problem with the watch is that it has to be integrated with the phone and the computer or whatever cloud repository there is for data. To me the present use case for a watch is that the phone stays in your pocket and many thing, reading emails, making calls, video calls, etc are done through the watch. Pebble does a good job of this on Android, not so good job on iPhone. One can blame Apple for this, due to lockdown, but Samsung has not been able to do much better with their watch which works with exactly one upcoming phone.

      So Apple will make the engineering compromises that will allow the watch to function as something, not quite a watch, not quite a wrist computer.

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    7. Re:missing the point by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The iPhone was, above all, useable. No, more then that, it was a pleasure to use. That's why it essentially started the smartphone market even though smartphones had been around for quite a while already.

      Nope. The iPhone brought a standard web browser to the smartphone world and that's why it finally jump started things. If it had just merged an iPod with an apps-only PDA and phone capabilities its popularity would have grown much more slowly.

      If an "iWatch" is ever to have similar success, it will meet some essential wearables need first and be a watch / aux-screen second. Current wrist wearables just don't seem to have identified any functions that would be interesting to a large segment of the population.

      Personally I want to see Apple push flexible screen technology to where they can introduce a device that wraps around our wrist as a bracelet (and there are a LOT more fashion variation opportunities in bracelets than watch-sized wearables) but be easily unfolded to iphone-sized flat block on a desk when we want to do more complex touch-based interactions.

    8. Re:missing the point by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The iPhone interface is stupid in some ways. For example, if I click a name in Recent Calls, it dials the person immediately instead of going to the person's "panel" where I can choose whether to call OR text. Similarly, Recent Messages will take me to their text dialog instead of their menu (with Text or Call).

      Perhaps there's a way to change such, but that is not obvious, which is another flaw. It could for example have an "Options" settings for each person to control what happens if you click their name.

      I want by default a person-centric interface instead of a delivery-method-centric interface.

    9. Re:missing the point by Osgeld · · Score: 2

      PDA's had already blown up and went away by the time the iPhone came out, without network connections they were useless, and a number of units before the iPhone proved that point.

      Lets also not kid outselves, without the latest n greatest technology your iPhone would be 3/4 inch thick, contain a resistive touch 65k color screen and run for 3 hours on a 1 lb battery. People want stuff that works, but they also want stuff that doesnt suck so having the latest zippy, or the biggest gb is very much a part of product appeal (apple gets that, dont know why IT guy doesnt)

    10. Re:missing the point by DaphneDiane · · Score: 1

      Just click the big blue circled arrow to the right of the names in recent calls list to views the contact entry to send text, pick different numbers etc. Seems like Apple made the right choice here. 99% of the time I want to call the recent callers back, but if I need to send a text or call a different number it is easy.

      Likewise, for messages there are the "Email", "Facetime" and "Contact>" buttons at the top of the window. You might need to scroll to the top to seem them if you have a long conversation.

    11. Re:missing the point by Bogtha · · Score: 1

      The original iPhone didn't really do anything that wasn't available elsewhere already.

      I'm pretty sure it did. Visual voicemail for instance. Or a proper web browser.

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    12. Re: missing the point by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Troll

      Apple fanboys still exist? Thought they died off with Jobsy.
      IPhone was and is clumsy. For example, everyone else had WIFI toggle in 1 slide, 1 tap... Apple has 1 button, 1 tap, 1 slide, 1 tap, 1 tap ... At least 10 times as long .. But as the Apple fanboys say "that's bells and whistles" or "nobody wants it" - until Apple does it...

      > When you look at the iPhone, Apple figured out how to make it do stuff people craved to do over and over

        BULLSHIT

      I can only assume Apple's refusal to put such basic functionality as WIFI toggle in is because it's too hard for an Apple user... Apple thinks of them like "Forrest Gump".. I grumble each time I want to toggle WIFI, and think how lucky those "Nexus using" bastards are...

    13. Re:missing the point by Tom · · Score: 1

      I want by default a person-centric interface instead of a delivery-method-centric interface.

      Are you sure you want that, or does it just sound like a cute idea?

      I have an interest in HCI even though I'm not an expert. But one of the things you learn quickly in that area is that what people say they would find easy to use and what they actually find easy to use are quite often different things.

      In a person-centric interface, you burden your brain with remembering individual data points, instead of having one rule that it needs to remember and can apply to everything. There's a lot of research that indicates that the second is the better choice.

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    14. Re:missing the point by Kartu · · Score: 1

      You still think that technology matters, but it frankly doesn't, or very little. It's not who has the coolest widgets, it is who can make it work.

      As we saw with tablets, eh?

    15. Re:missing the point by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      For the average Apple customer this would mean a wrist band with an Apple logo that may or may not do something. it's a best seller.

  7. Smart watch not such a smart idea by __aaltlg1547 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The trouble everyone is grappling with here is that they want a smart watch to be some kind of smartphone-like thing. We've seen it work in comics, right? Dick Tracey and all. The only trouble is that the size of things people want to put on their wrists isn't big enough for much of a display, isn't big enough for much of a data entry device and isn't big enough for much of a battery. You just can't pack a lot of function on there, much less do it attractively, much less do it in a form factor where it becomes a fashion accessory, particularly for ladies since ladies are used to tiny watches.

    1. Re:Smart watch not such a smart idea by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The only trouble is that the size of things people want to put on their wrists isn't big enough for much of a display, isn't big enough for much of a data entry device and isn't big enough for much of a battery.

      And that is why it is probably more intelligent to make a watch only a wireless peripheral device to a more functional device.

      Arguably a retinal+earpiece device obsoletes the need for watches, though I find google glass ugly, the perfect device for me is visually undetectable that I am wearing one. Wake me up when we have the tech to tap into a human optic nerve to read and write visual signals. I could imagine a field inducing coiled collar implanted around the optic nerve, though you would definitely need a tin foil hat to shield it.

    2. Re:Smart watch not such a smart idea by fast+turtle · · Score: 1

      and the many design disabilities is why the Federation quit using the wrist communicators after Wrath of Khan.

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    3. Re:Smart watch not such a smart idea by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      yes its better idea if you add all feature of

      Samsung galaxy ace

    4. Re:Smart watch not such a smart idea by burningcpu · · Score: 1

      In my opinion, the smart watch should be considered a peripheral for the smart phone I already have in my pocket.

      This means it won't need to be a high powered device. I agree with you that this is not practical at this time.

      But, if I'm able to check notifications such as text messages, subject lines of received emails, and navigation commands from my GPS, I'd be happy. I should be able to change music tracks without pulling out my phone. It could display a grocery list.

      Stop thinking of it as it's own computing device, and more as a display device with limited input capabilities, and I think it'll make a lot more sense.

    5. Re:Smart watch not such a smart idea by antdude · · Score: 1

      I still like wearing Casio Data Bank calculator watches (currently DB150). It would be nice to have touch screen, Internet, etc. with long battery life and not require a phone separately. The tiny square iPod Nano would be good, but I have not found a way to install third party softwares, apps, etc. on my free (six/6)th generation model (8 GB) so far. :(

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    6. Re:Smart watch not such a smart idea by tlhIngan · · Score: 1

      The trouble everyone is grappling with here is that they want a smart watch to be some kind of smartphone-like thing. We've seen it work in comics, right? Dick Tracey and all. The only trouble is that the size of things people want to put on their wrists isn't big enough for much of a display, isn't big enough for much of a data entry device and isn't big enough for much of a battery. You just can't pack a lot of function on there, much less do it attractively, much less do it in a form factor where it becomes a fashion accessory, particularly for ladies since ladies are used to tiny watches.

      And that's the interesting thing. Apple doesn't innovate technically - they innovate practically.

      All your shortcomings are challenges. Most of Apple's competitors like Samsung and such throw technology at it - build it and they will come. Apple doesn't do that - preferring to put the right technology at the problem. This may mean doing with a crappy CPU if it means battery life goes from "a nominal day" to "a week".

      Likewise, Apple tends to be good at UI - they know there's limited space to do things, so perhaps it's time to re-think it. Like how iOS and OS X are different enough purely because of UI interactions. You can count on the iPod Nano revisions to pretty much be the entire "beta test" of the watch - it's an inexpensive platform to test with, and you can observe how people react to it.

      And perhaps that's where Apple sees its strengths - it's not throwing hardware or technology at a problem, it's doing the hardware and software intelligently so users want to use it. Apple's innovations aren't technology - and to claim all innovations must be an advancement is both shortsighted and incorrect. Apple innovates by seeing what the user really needs.

      It also means the iWatch will have fewer features, and not do many things that the Galaxy Gear or Pebble will do out of the gate. Be everything to everyone is not Apple's MO. But do the 80% of what people want and 100% of what people need at first wins them over. And right now, they need a relatively small size, long battery life, and be stylish. The latter may mean breaking out Apple's forte in metal cases and building it out of stainless steel and other materials considered "high end" in watches. And battery life must be decent - a week minimum to allow for forgetfulness.

      Far too many people focus on tech specs and neglect to answer "what does the user really want". And Apple's niche is that. Their stuff is rarely cutting edge, but it's stuff users go "why didn't anyone else do this before?" or "now that's practical".

  8. No use for a watch anymore by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    I have a collection of watches in a box for about the last ten years and have no plans of ever using them again. There's a large readable time display on my cell. there's time displays in many places such as in cars, on buildings, microwaves, TVs, computers.and more. As a last resort just ask someone "what time is it ?" I haven't noticed many people wearing watches lately. Why burn time and energy on this stupid shit, does any one really care ?

  9. Re:First of all the Betteridge Obligatory: by Tom · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I'm not so quick in discounting them, even though the effect of Steve's passing has been quite obvious.

    But Apple never was a one-man show, even though he took the spotlight. From all I know, Steve's strength was not in designing or creating anything, but in inspiring others and, most importantly, his ability to cut through the crap to the core issues and to kill anything that sucked. Where other companies spend time and resources on bad products (and sometimes even bring them to market), Steve would just kill it brutally with a few words and everyone could go back to making something good.

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  10. The Watch is so 20th c. by nightcats · · Score: 2

    Leave the wrist alone -- Let's focus on a different body part. How about a Smart-Truss? Who wouldn't want a 1.5 Ghz processor warming their junk? Cupertino, I expect a slice of the action for this idea....

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    1. Re:The Watch is so 20th c. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Remember the audience. The iButtPlug, with customizable pattern vibrate for easily distinguishing between appointments and incoming calls and messages.

    2. Re:The Watch is so 20th c. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Apple users don't need one - their head is far enough up their ass as it is.

      Sent from my iPhone.

    3. Re: The Watch is so 20th c. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Me Garrison will take two, but it must have an adapter for his time machine ... You know, for interoperability.

  11. Apple tryhard by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    When have they invented anything?

    Just wait for their new watch, with rounded corners no doubt.

    climb back under your rock.

  12. Don't expect a watch from Apple by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Or would you buy an "iWatch" and put it on your wrist? Hello NSA! Besides, Steve Jobs is dead. Apple is now just another stock, with managers eager to avoid risk and fill their coffers.

  13. Re: First of all the Betteridge Obligatory: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Guess you a samsung fag???

  14. Good fucking luck. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Since Jobs died Apple has made no significant innovation -- and they're not terribly good at refreshing their current offerings.

    They create markets, not devices. I don't think a Jobs-less Apple can pull that off anymore.

    1. Re:Good fucking luck. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Apple dont create/invent anything.
      They just market well and have legions of fanboys/girls.

  15. Re:First of all the Betteridge Obligatory: by djmurdoch · · Score: 1

    And who is killing the bad ideas now?

  16. Are they even building a watch? by hsmith · · Score: 1

    Seemingly everyone thinks they are, but has anyone seen any concrete proof besides some random patents?

    1. Re:Are they even building a watch? by AlecC · · Score: 1

      I reckon they have had a good look at it, decided it won't work, so they are leaking that they are going to do it to make Samsung etc. waste effort on something that will never work. My bet is on the iHat as an answer to Google Goggles. After all, Dick Tracey wore a hat as well.

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  17. innovation in a smart watch by MrKaos · · Score: 1
    put a phone in it

    It would be handy if it told the time as well

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    1. Re:innovation in a smart watch by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It would be handy if it told the time as well

      Fast forward two years... people that wear the watch on their right wrist will fail to get the time updated properly when daylight savings comes around, be told they're wearing it wrong.

    2. Re:innovation in a smart watch by AHuxley · · Score: 0

      LOL AC, the fat and fluid in the average arm was not factored in during extensive testing.
      Version 2 will have a better antenna in the longer, stronger band.

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    3. Re:innovation in a smart watch by MrKaos · · Score: 1

      LOL AC, the fat and fluid in the average arm was not factored in during extensive testing. Version 2 will have a better antenna in the longer, stronger band...

      but also cause cancer in 7.3% of all users

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    4. Re:innovation in a smart watch by MrKaos · · Score: 1

      I for one would like to welcome the Apple design and innovation employees currently reading this forum for ideas.

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  18. Re: First of all the Betteridge Obligatory: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Certainly Apple was a one man show. the cult of personality drives organizations of that type. The Soviet Union at its most successful point similarly had a one man show, that ended when Stalin died.

    There are examples, though, of cult-of-personality organizational structures that carry on beyond one Dear Leader. North Korea comes to mind. Perhaps the Apple cults similarities to North Korea will be continued and refined.

  19. The Interface, Stupid by Ed+The+Meek · · Score: 2

    It's all about the interface. If you can interface well with the watch to accomplish the task - it should be a winner.

    1. Re: The Interface, Stupid by Ed+The+Meek · · Score: 1

      A watch like this will be awesome when we're able to interface with it holographically.

    2. Re: The Interface, Stupid by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why are you assuming it need's a full function interface. It could easily be a primary data collection device (I.e. Quantified Self). Second function would provide something you have authentication. Add a fingerprint sensor around the face and you also have something you are. Third function could be an alert mechanism for a wireless device. Oh, it could actually be a watch also.

  20. yeesh by markdavis · · Score: 0

    >"'So there remains a strange undercurrent of hope that somebody-Apple-will figure out,"

    Oh please give us a break. As if only Apple can figure anything out. I find it humorous how much they copied from Android into iOS the last few rounds.

    And no mention of Google as a major player in this space is a mistake. They are coming out their own watch too... (Really? You mention Samsung, Apple, and.... MICROSOFT??)

    1. Re:yeesh by RobHostetter · · Score: 0

      Well that is ironic since android copied all the good ideas from iOS first.

    2. Re:yeesh by gnasher719 · · Score: 1, Insightful

      Oh please give us a break. As if only Apple can figure anything out. I find it humorous how much they copied from Android into iOS the last few rounds.

      There's the one thing that companies like Samsung can't find out without copying Apple (as demonstrated by that horror watch that Samsung released): What features to add and more importantly, what features to leave out.

  21. Windows 'forearm' by nurb432 · · Score: 0

    Reminds me of what they had on the show 'Ark II'.

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  22. for it to be really smart it needs it's own modem by Dr+Max · · Score: 1

    For the smartwatch to really take off it needs a flexible screen (samsung and lg both have these), that wraps around your wrist or unfurls to smallish smartphone, and most importantly has a data/voice connection of it's own (this way you can leave home on a jog or go to the pub and just take your watch). Problem is the big companies won't want to bring that out, because it could hurt the sales of their other products (safer to sell an accessory than a replacement).

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  23. Miss my casio cfx-200 scientific calculator watch by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I miss my old Casio cfx-200 scientific calculator watch. Darn thing lasted over 2 decades before it died. It was incredibly useful, and always available.

    A smart watch shouldn't be so hard. Folks are just repeating the PDA debacle. Remember when no one could figure out PDAs, and some guy from Palm Computing at U.S. Robotics put it together? What do folks really want in a watch? What are we putting in there "just because"?

  24. Useless by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Expensive watches have been nothing but fashion statements for years now. They don't do anything new, replicate functions that are much better on cheaper devices, lack any real innovation, and are really just oddly socially acceptable look-at-me bling.

    Apple should dominate this market.

  25. Flexible displays are the answer by Dr+Max · · Score: 1

    Both samsung and lg have built flexible displays and you can expect them to start showing up in products next year (I'm pretty sure apple's iwatch will have one, if they are waiting till next year). With a flexible display you can get can get a smallish phone to be be a biggish watch. And before you go telling me everything cant be flexible it doesn't need to be (just enough to wrap it around a wrist), stuff like batteries can be multiple units separated around the band, and you can easily have a rigid spot in the middle for a circuit board.

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    1. Re:Flexible displays are the answer by cryptoluddite · · Score: 1

      Watches aren't flexible. Why would you think flexible display is important? The only way a flexible display could matter is if it unfolds to make a larger display than the watch face... but that's not going to happen.

      The key feature will be the display though. An e-ink display that doesn't flash for instance (can change single pixels without having to refresh whole areas). An always-on display that takes next to no power is the key feature for a smart watch. Combine that with something useful like a always-on heart rate or blood pressure monitor would finish it.

    2. Re:Flexible displays are the answer by Dr+Max · · Score: 1

      "The only way a flexible display could matter is if it unfolds to make a larger display than the watch face" That is what i'm talking about and that is whats going to happen. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OIu1_zoLRgE and http://www.engadget.com/2013/02/21/apple-patent-application-flexible-display-band/. E ink is a good idea as well, and they have flexible color versions even at reasonable refresh rate coming out soon.

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  26. Re:First of all the Betteridge Obligatory: by c0lo · · Score: 0

    Can Even Apple Make a Watch Insanely Smart?

    Insane, I imagine it can. Smart? No,,, to start with, batery life.

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  27. I'll admit I'm curious. by obarthelemy · · Score: 0

    I've racked my brain trying to dream up a smartwatch I'd want, couldn't really hack it. Maybe Apple will come up with something nice.Or maybe they'll come up with something shiny, magical and overpriced

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    1. Re:I'll admit I'm curious. by khchung · · Score: 1

      I've racked my brain trying to dream up a smartwatch I'd want, couldn't really hack it.

      Maybe Apple will come up with something nice.Or maybe they'll come up with something shiny, magical and overpriced

      You lacked imagination.

      A watch that links with my phone via bluetooth, which will act as mic+speaker, with headphone plugs, and shows the time and alerts (phone call showing caller, text, reminders, etc) with vibrate option, 2 side buttons to let me take or reject calls, would have removed my need to take the phone out 95% of the time.

      Headphone wires going from my wrist, through my sleeve, to my ear is much less troublesome than from my pocket or bag. Bluetooth headsets are ok, but I don't want to risk dropping/misplacing one simply because I took it off for a minute.

      Bonus for a tiny camera for doing facetime calls or taking pictures.

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    2. Re:I'll admit I'm curious. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'll take a crack. A watch that is a 2nd phone so your bigger phone/phablet can remain behind as you bike, jog, shop, whatever. Or if you lose or smash your phone in anger, that increasingly crucial functionality isn't lost. The only interaction I see as necessary is when two are near each other, they aren't redundantly communicating with towers. If it could pair with other devices that would be good too (like a laptop/tablet/desktop that is tethered to your watch).

      I don't envision it so much as a smart watch but a dumber phone with a smaller display. As a companion device that is worthless without the other? I would share your "meh". It is why I'm lukewarm on the WiiU. Nintendo created a game tablet (like a dependent gameboy but although independent of the TV, not independent of the console - not that I want that but it would at least serve a purpose) I don't won't but can't avoid buying if I were to get WiiU.

  28. It's just an Apple joke by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Having seen the pictures and reviews of the Gear, it's hard to believe Apple will bring out a watch.

    I think the whole thing is just some misdirection on Apple's part. The Apple boardrooms at this moment are full of people drinking champagne and saying "Can you believe it? They actually fell for it. What a bunch of morons."

  29. "five hundred years of wrist-mounted technology?" by jageryager · · Score: 2

    According to wiki:

    Patek Philippe created the first wristwatch in 1868 for Countess Koscowicz of Hungary.

    Too bad Job wasn't still around. He could "reinvent" that wristwatch.

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  30. It's the screen size, stupid by TheGoodNamesWereGone · · Score: 1

    Even a screen that's roughly 4x4 cm covering a square roughly the width of a man's wrist is too small to really be useful. This has been tried before with the Palm OS. Another thing is, large watches are ugly, and people won't buy them for that reason either. Sure, geeks would lap them up in droves of a few thousand units. After that, crickets...

    1. Re:It's the screen size, stupid by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      4x4 is too BIG!.

      Seriously. Not everyone wants to look like a dork (even if someone is a geek) or has a wrist like a orang-utan on steroids.
      And putting off 52% of the population (females!) is not a smart idea.

  31. Omate TrueSmart: Water-resistant standalone Smartw by Darri · · Score: 2

    Here is one I think has real potential:

    http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/omate/omate-truesmart-water-resistant-standalone-smartwa

    It was mentioned here on /. not long ago:

    http://hardware.slashdot.org/story/13/08/26/0454236/omate-truesmart-watch-stands-alone-no-phone-required

    They have already reached some amazing stretch goals, such as Sapphire Crystal Glass, and are
    aiming for further ones, like 720p video recording.

  32. Wearable information Technology and the Watch by adam.sys · · Score: 2

    I've been working on wearable computers since 1994 (http://www.media.mit.edu/wearables/lizzy/oranchak/witintro.html) and I believe strongly in the concept. The smart phone has delivered nearly all the promise we had hoped for except hands-free operation. The cell phone watch is not new. I bought one that was made in China and wore it for years. In fact, I showed that watch at the Gadget Show during the 2008 International Symposium of Wearable Computers in Pittsburgh and I had been using for a couple of years at that point.

    The watch doesn't offer a purely hands free experience, true, but I never lost that phone; I still have it. Answering calls is possible with the watch alone but a bluetooth headset is much more preferable. Nobody knew it was a phone until I received a call. That was generally followed by shock and amazement. I used it to track my billing hours. It was always there. It was pretty great, really.

    The adoption of wearables has always been hampered by fashion strangeness. The watch format does a nice job of dealing with that. The screen size is challenging. Mine had a tiny little stylus and using it was merely possible and not much more. But, I could have a meeting with clients and nobody ever questioned it. When I wore my first wearable to its public opening, somebody on the subway asked if it was a bomb. The early wearables made the wearer self conscious in public; you had to be prepared to be stared at.

    One of the early concepts proposed by Motorola was a constellation of devices that, together in synergy, becomes a full on wearable computer. That, I believe, was the project that first floated the idea of an ear bud headset. They, too, seemed strange at first but they have become widely adopted. That's where we are heading.

    So, now, the electronics have gotten smaller, power consumption reduced to the point where battery bulk is reasonable, and infrastructure is in place to support wearable computers. Wearables are becoming real. Yet, there are still challenges. We hoped that head mounted displays would be key but we are still struggling with them. That's a field that I have been working on for the last decade. I know the challenges intimately and we are not there yet. In the meantime, the watch format is a viable intermediate step.

    As for Apple coming to save the day: Frankly, I don't understand why people are so enamored with their offerings. They don't do anything different in my opinion. I prefer the Android approach that "opens the innovation tent" to everyone willing to give it a shot.

  33. Wearable T-shirt Computer by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Me, I'm waiting for my smart T-shirt to come on the market. It will be powered by my rippling muscles. Yeah, dream on.

  34. it's not meant to be a watch by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It's not meant to be a watch though - in fact, I wish manufacturers would realise that and stop trying to make it look like one. This isn't about trying to make an existing thing "smart" - it's about taking something that's smart i.e the personal computer, and making it a wearable device - it just happens that the best place to wear it on your body is the wrist, hence why we wear our watches there..

  35. Re:First of all the Betteridge Obligatory: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    And who is killing the bad ideas now?

    The consumer, just like they do for other consumer electronics items and computers.

  36. Yes, but... by 0m3gaMan · · Score: 1

    It'll run like the Performa 6116.

  37. Apple is a software company by sjbe · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Frankly, I don't understand why people are so enamored with their offerings.

    Because they are well made, easy to use, have a well thought out interface and for the most part require very little fiddling to work. My 94 year old technologically illiterate grandmother is able to effectively utilize an iPad while at the same time I am able to get what I want out of an iPhone and I'm about big a tech geek as you are likely to run into. What makes Apple products attractive and different is the software.

    They don't do anything different in my opinion.

    Ahh but they do and those differences are what people are willing to pay for. What you have to understand is that Apple is fundamentally a software company. Steve Jobs himself has said so explicitly. What is different about Apple's products is the software and what it does. It's not so much about them doing tasks that no one else can do as it is how they do those tasks. Apple (usually) provides a well designed and well executed experience and software is how they tie it all together. People buy Macs for the software - the hardware is barely different from PCs from Dell or HP. People buy iPods, iPhones and iPads for the software. The hardware isn't much different from the competition and in fact some competitors have rather slavishly copies Apple's designs. What Apple does differently is found in their software.

    I prefer the Android approach that "opens the innovation tent" to everyone willing to give it a shot.

    Nothing wrong with that but there are positives as well as drawbacks. If you are someone (like me and probably you) who really likes to fiddle with your gear then Android might very well be a better choice. But for my non-tech savvy relatives who just want a smartphone I point them at an iPhone. Not everyone wants to endlessly mess around with arcane features of their phones. Apple's products aren't for everyone but Apple has never pretended that they were. That said they sell an awful lot of product so they clearly are doing something that appeals to a lot of people.

    1. Re:Apple is a software company by aaaaaaargh! · · Score: 1

      What you have to understand is that Apple is fundamentally a software company.

      That's simply wrong and everybody knows it, no matter what Jobs might have said once in one of his promotional videos. Apple's profit still mostly comes from hardware sales and it has always been that way. If they were a software company, they could easily open OS X and iOS to other hardware manufacturers, but in fact that would be their immediate death sentence.

    2. Re:Apple is a software company by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Apple's profit comes from hardware sales. That doesn't make the software meaningless. It is the software that delivers a lot (though not all) of the added value.

      As for your suggestion that Apple offer Mac OS X and iOS to other hardware manufacturers – presumably at very low prices – why would they want to do that? That would make it easier for other manufacturers to cut into Apple's hardware sales (thus eliminating income that funds both hardware and software development). If there were quality-control issues with the other manufacturers' products, they could reflect negatively on Apple. It could also make it harder for Apple to evolve the platforms; part of their success has come from the ability to shape the combination of hardware and software, not just one or the other separately.

      The last, and only time, that Apple did anything like this (with classic Mac OS and PowerPC clones), Jobs terminated the experiment. On IBM's side, IBM never intended for there to be a clone market; it just happened; and ultimately, IBM left the PC market saying that there was not enough profit in it any more.

    3. Re:Apple is a software company by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Android is just as easy as the iPhone at this point... it's just scary to some people because it OFFERS you the ability to change things. I'm fairly certain you could hand your grandmother a nearly stock Android phone, with the only tweak being that it _never_ offered to let you set a default, it just always kept things the way they came from Google, and she could handle it just as well as iOS.

  38. Re:for it to be really smart it needs it's own mod by kasperd · · Score: 1

    Problem is the big companies won't want to bring that out, because it could hurt the sales of their other products (safer to sell an accessory than a replacement).

    That's not a concern if they can also hurt the sales of their competitors' products.

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  39. Wearables and Mobile Devices by ARCHAEVIST · · Score: 1

    I look forward to the specialization of wearables. So far, most wearable computers interact with the users mobile device and only do a little bit of onboard computing. Why not create a mobile device which specializes in providing the computing for wearables? I imagine that it would be well protected with a big battery. Instead of a touchscreen, I'd give it e-ink like the kindle. Ideally, this device should only have to be charged once a day, and backlights and touchscreens are a pretty big power drain. I might even try to use the AR device and the Watch synchronously to create a typing system, for quick tweets and texts. We have pretty good predictive typing, why not make use of it? Word or letter suggestions could be arrayed around the watch at the stations of the clock, and twisting the hand the watch is on to scroll through suggestions.

  40. Re: for it to be really smart it needs it's own mo by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    omate truesmart

  41. Re:Omate TrueSmart: Water-resistant standalone Sma by tysonedwards · · Score: 1

    This one does look kind of cool, especially like the whole 'it is a phone' thing. I already do most of my stuff on the Nexus 7 anyways, so tethering between the two and still having a device to take phone calls on would actually be pretty great.

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  42. Meh by GrahamJ · · Score: 1

    Even as a tech-savvy early adopter I don't find the idea of a smartwatch particularly appealing. I only ever wore a watch for utilitarian reasons and I gladly dropped the practise after I started carrying a more capable device (a phone) I find the pocketable slab-of-glass form factor to be ideal for my mobile computing needs and as much as I try to imagine a watch being a useful addition to it in some way, I just don't see it. Poking at a tiny screen or talking to my wrist do not appeal to me at all so anything input-related is out. I guess notifications could be handy but I'm not going to spend money, strap something to my body, and deal with keeping it charged just for that. A vibe in my pocket and a quick peek at my phone if I really care is fine for me. I guess if I was always walking or doing something where even pulling out my phone is a pain I might see things differently, but that's not me.

  43. Don't smart phones already have piles of sensors by mark_reh · · Score: 1

    built in? I am wondering if what is really needed here is not a watch sized display that talks to the phone in your bag, but a phone mounted on your wrist. The only problem with that scenario now is that shirt sleeves aren't made to accommodate a phone-sized object strapped to your wrist. So what we really need then is for shirts to be made with bigger sleeves and some sort of strap attachment for a phone to put it on your wrist (OK, maybe a minor tweak to the phone design so that the power button is located where you can get at it more easily while the phone is strapped to your wrist).

    The great breakthrough is going to come from a clothing designer, NOT a phone maker.

    One more thing- that strap should hold the phone along the radius- the bone on the thumb side of your wrist (like a pipboy 3000) - where it is easy to access without turning your wrist into an uncomfortable position, as many so-called smart watches require.

  44. Wearable Apple = iClothes by bazorg · · Score: 3, Interesting

    There is one thing that Apple could do that a conventional electronic devices or software house competitor cannot: shift the discussion from wearable tech to pieces of fashionable clothing. If we think about it, the white earbuds are a fashion item as much as an accessory for MP3 players. People made or adapted existing bracelets to wear the iPod Nano as a wristwatch. Loads of armbands were built to accommodate wearing iPods and iPhones when exercising. Nike has sensors for shoes that link up with the current generation of iPod. The tech part they've got nailed already (Sony, Samsung, Apple, Google, ... all of them). Getting people to wear it without looking silly is the challenge and has been for a long time.

    What Apple can do rather than try to out-gadget the gadget makers is to design beautiful items of clothing that have the right pockets in the right places to carry the iPhone. Maybe some way to get a microphone and headphones built in to make calls and chat with Siri. There's always money for fashion items and I suspecct that Apple fanboy/girl would be happy to wear the team's colours. Pay £150 for a turtleneck? No problem. They can all wear the same model of iClothes until next year's is released. It would be a bit like Star Trek, with everyone on the planet wearing the same type of clothes.

  45. 5kT Killer App by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Predator had a smart watch.

  46. Re:Omate TrueSmart: Water-resistant standalone Sma by Tom · · Score: 1

    aiming for further ones, like 720p video recording.

    That's what I mean.

    Why in all hells would I want a watch that does video recording? Or Facebook? Or messaging?

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  47. Old by nospam007 · · Score: 1

    A smart watch once saved Harold Crick's life.

  48. Re:Omate TrueSmart: Water-resistant standalone Sma by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I have my name down for an Omate but I would like to point out that even cheap Japanese quartz watches have sapphire glass.
    It is really nothing special in the watch world. The problems of shaping the glass to fit the design of the watch have been solved.
    Omate state there supplier has never done this before. Perhaps they should find a supplier who has experience in doing this.

    The difference between sapphire glass and mineral crystal is that sapphire is more scratch resistant but shatters easier.
    Mineral crystal scratches easier bit has a higher resistance to shattering. Seiko uses its proprietary Hardlex mineral crystal which is a hardened form of mineral crystal. It resists impact better than ordinary sapphire crystal and is harder to scratch than mineral crystal.

    A good watch will have an anti-reflective coating on the inside of the glass. A better watch will have the coating on either side of the glass.
    A very good watch will have a thicker slab of sapphire and two coatings of a-r.

    Omate do not mention anything about a-r. I think it is essential. Further, they do not say how thick the sapphire glass will be.
    In my experience the thicker the glass the better. The extra thickness does not interfere with seeing into it.

    The thing that makes this stand out from every other smart watch is that it is a stand alone phone.It does not have to have your smart phone anywhere near.

  49. The smartest watch is dumb by Misagon · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I think that what a smartwatch needs to be is as a "companion device" to a phone, and nothing more.
    It needs a screen, two buttons (or areas to tap) for "Yes" and "No" and low-bandwidth communication with the phone. The phone tells the watch what to display and what the buttons mean. The watch then needs only to reply with "Message understood, displaying screen", "Yes" and "No". That's it.
    All the "killer apps" that a smartwatch could be used for require those things and nothing more.

    The Samsung watch and many stand-alone smartwatches are too powerful, too feature-rich and already too bloated. The Samsung watch is already too large to wear comfortably on the wrist. Has anyone mentioned battery life yet? My Casio has a battery life measured in years.

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    1. Re:The smartest watch is dumb by gnasher719 · · Score: 1

      t needs a screen, two buttons (or areas to tap) for "Yes" and "No" and low-bandwidth communication with the phone. The phone tells the watch what to display and what the buttons mean. The watch then needs only to reply with "Message understood, displaying screen", "Yes" and "No". That's it.

      Smartest post here so far. It seems that many (including Samsung's designers) are fixated at taking a smart phone and shrinking it to the point where you can attach it to your wrist. At which point it's not usable as a smart phone, doesn't fit on your wrist, and doesn't serve any useful purpose.

    2. Re:The smartest watch is dumb by mrdogi · · Score: 1

      I have to agree as far as the smartest post so far.

      I was thinking about this over the weekend as I heard about all of these wonderful (planned/hoped-for) things in watches. They talked about joggers using heart rate monitors, etc. I was thinking that a simple blue tooth connection to the phone/hand device to send whatever telemetry. Let that device do the heavy lifting, then as GP said, send back whatever to the display as desired.

      It really seems silly on so many levels to try to pack all of that into one little device on your wrist. If God had wanted us all to have Dick Tracy watches on our wrists, he would have made us all the size of the Hulk. Or something.

  50. Bias much? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    So, will you be an early adopter and drink Samsung's or Sony's smartwatch Kool-Aid, wait to see what Apple comes up with, or hold out for a Windows Forearm Pad 8?

    No, I'd rather wait and drink the apple kool-Aid. That way i can pay twice as much for a similiar product...

  51. Re: for it to be really smart it needs it's own mo by mspohr · · Score: 1

    Omate true smart on Kickstarter looks like a good option. it seems to do everything a Smart Watch should do.

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  52. Re:First of all the Betteridge Obligatory: by djmurdoch · · Score: 1

    And who is killing the bad ideas now?

    The consumer, just like they do for other consumer electronics items and computers.

    Right, and the problem with that is that it's a lot slower than having someone at the company do it early. Most stuff they send to market will be crap like it is from the other vendors.

  53. Team effort? by nanospook · · Score: 2

    I wouldn't be surprised if the managers at Apple are all so busy watching each other and playing court politics that innovation is dead. Jobs was very vocal and out there about what was good and bad for his company and what he liked and didnt like. I hear the new guy has nothing to say unless hes pissed. Good luck Apple..

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    1. Re:Team effort? by gnasher719 · · Score: 1

      I wouldn't be surprised if the managers at Apple are all so busy watching each other and playing court politics that innovation is dead. Jobs was very vocal and out there about what was good and bad for his company and what he liked and didnt like. I hear the new guy has nothing to say unless hes pissed. Good luck Apple..

      Are you confusing Microsoft and Apple here?

      It seems that Tim Cook is quite good at removing people who don't pull their weight for the company.

  54. The problem by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The problem with smart watches is that the typical target audience need their wrist free, so they can insert their hand wide enough into their anus. What's the point of wearing a watch if you have to take it off every 5 minutes?

  55. Re:Team effort? Cooking with Ive by BoRegardless · · Score: 1

    Ive has been there about 2 decades and has seen what it takes mentally to kill off losers & I see him having the strength to do it.

    I agree with other Slashdot comments that a smart watch needs to be able to work with an iPhone, so you don't have to pick up the phone all the time.

    Unique features might allow NFC to work exchanging contact info and "approvals", instead of cards and cash.

  56. Re:First of all the Betteridge Obligatory: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I think you might have missed the 'this time Steve Jobs is dead' bit, fanboy.

  57. my definition of a smart watch by houbou · · Score: 1

    In no particular order:

    • monitors my health
    • provides me with reminders (txt msg, e-mail, calendar, rss feeds, etc)
    • allows me to work my phone remote or be a phone (using audio to work it)
    • can recharge via my proximity (my heat or something)
    • starts my car
    • provides alerts for all security devices
    • can be used to get me somewhere (voice speaking GPS)
    • can listen to music and/or watch a clip
    • allows me to search for things on the internet using audio
    • can be used instead of a credit card

    Of course, provides time, calendar, stopwatch, snooze alarm, etc. the usual watch functionality

    Other options could be added, but at that point, I think it would be business specific
    for example; scan items and barcodes. Etc..

  58. Runner's Watches by SteveHumiston · · Score: 1

    Runner's watches have been around for awhile now. I realize this is slashdot and that may not be an area of expertise for you. If you can combine what a runner's watch does for fitness with some of the some of the quick needs that would stop the need for pulling out my phone to look.. notifications, see who's calling, weather, time... I think it could be win!

  59. Re:Omate TrueSmart: Water-resistant standalone Sma by gnasher719 · · Score: 1

    Why in all hells would I want a watch that does video recording? Or Facebook? Or messaging?

    Samsung doesn't know the answer to that. But I seriously doubt they even asked themselves the question.

  60. Why not just an iPhone strapped to your wrist? by HockeyPuck · · Score: 1

    How is the current or future generation of iWatches going to be any different than an iPhone/Android phone in a small form factor strapped to your wrist? You'll still need a bluetooth headset to talk/hear the conversation.

    It seems that the iWatch companies are trying to save us 1second of having to dig our phone out of our pocket. They don't look all that attractive compared to a similarly priced watch (mechanical or quartz) and remind me of the calculator watches of the 80s.

  61. Re:First of all the Betteridge Obligatory: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If your company relies on the CEO to be the final QA, you have a bigger problem.

  62. tech just isn't quite there yet by brillow · · Score: 1

    Right now I'd love a watch as small and light as my simple casio but which vibrates when I have a call. I am tired of my phone ringing when I don't want to it too and when it does ring I miss the call. The Pebble is about everything I want in a smartwatch, though it could be thinner and lighter. Unfortunately unless Pebble gets bought by Google or Google releases a GoogleNow API its not going to work. The next GoogleGlass product could very well be their headset in watch form. If it just provided notifications and a limited ability to screen texts and calls, it would be awesome, but it HAS to be light and unobtrusive. It should not look like a "SmartWatch!(TM)".

    Smartphones didn't happen big because of the iPhone, the singular tech which made them work was the capacitive multitouch screen. Only this allowed the device to have enough screen and still work well enough. The first iPhone didn't have GPS, apps, navigation, etc. and it was still a big success because of that screen.

    Smartwatches will need some similar tech breakthroughs before they work. Here's what they need:

    *They will need to be very light, very low-power, and physically flexible.
    *They will need to come in a variety of form factors to suit different tastes (watches are fashion accessories, not gadgets).
    *It should know who I am via some kind of biometrics.
    *It would be totally fine if its tied to a smartphone but it will need to have some functionality on its own (I can't even tell if this Samsung watch can tell time without help.
    *Battery life should be around a week.
    *It should have Google Now like functionality, giving me information without me having to ask.
    *It should serve as my cyber-implant on the outside. It should be the conduit through which I communicate with other machines. It should not only authenticate me, but allow me to interact with other machines via gestures.

    What it doesnt need:
    *an illuminated screen (at least not all the time). Flexible eInk/ePaper with a backlight would be more than enough.
    *a camera
    *a microphone
    *the ability to make calls on its own

  63. Re: for it to be really smart it needs it's own mo by Dr+Max · · Score: 1

    I already bought a developers edition with more ram. It's not perfect but I'm not holding my breath on the big guys doing it properly any time soon, plus it's quite a good price for a phone (i won't feel bad turning it into a 3g drone platform if my dream phone comes along in a year).

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  64. remember mood rings? by froth-bite · · Score: 1

    I could see a slight advantage to having a wrist band that changed color according to the urgency of the call/email/message, but that requires AI to function properly. Having moved away from wearing a blackberry on my belt, towards hiding my smartphone in a pocket, the smart-wrist thing is useful only to free up some of the time spent to pull your phone out to read it (yes, I drink lattes and am burdened by first world problems), only the cheaper models would fit within a profile of "don't want this taken from me on the subway".

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  65. Re: First of all the Betteridge Obligatory: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    True and sad but irrelevant.
    I miss Steve dearly. But Apple will survive without him, haterboi.

    Thanks for the fanboy. Being a fan of something is always positive. Hating, like you, is negative and as such inferior and of no good use. No one needs hate. Now please shoot yourself. The world would be better with less hate. Bye bye.

  66. Re: First of all the Betteridge Obligatory: by Zontar+The+Mindless · · Score: 1

    Projection much?

    ProTip: Not being a fanboi of the thing you're a fanboi of does not mean being a fanboi of some other thing. There is also the possibility that you've outgrown the need to be a fanboi at all.

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  67. Re:First of all the Betteridge Obligatory: by phantomfive · · Score: 1

    From all I know, Steve's strength was not in designing or creating anything, but in inspiring others and, most importantly, his ability to cut through the crap to the core issues and to kill anything that sucked.

    Well, Tim Cook doesn't seem to be doing well in any of those areas, so, what's left but to milk the legacy of Jobs?

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  68. ugh by nomadic · · Score: 3, Interesting

    "Even Apple"? Apple has never been cutting edge in terms of technology. They're good at physical design and interfaces but they have never really done anything groundbreaking. While you can argue this is an interface issue, while Apple is good at improving them they aren't really good at coming up with innovative new ones.

  69. Order 66 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The smart watch's killer app is a 3D hologram that pops up, like Commander Cody when he got Order 66. Until that exists, the watch isn't going anywhere.

  70. Uh, they already made on by buttfuckinpimpnugget · · Score: 0

    It was called the ipod nano, you know, the little square one with a touch screen? All they had to do was open the api to more than just nike then wait a couple years for the hardware to be cheap enough to run ios. But they fucked it up and now people are inventing answers in search of problems. No thanks.

  71. ipod nano? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    isn't apple's solution basically going to be an upgraded ipod nano with a wristband?

  72. Re:Don't smart phones already have piles of sensor by brwski · · Score: 1

    I'd be happy with a Pip-Boy equivalent. Then I could ditch the phone taking up room in my pocket, too.

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  73. Re: First of all the Betteridge Obligatory: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I miss Steve every time I take a pee.

  74. Why a watch? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Why does a wearable computer need to fit into a watch? Wear the computer somewhere else, and wear a watch, and ear buds, and microphone, and other wireless sensory accessories as desired.

  75. Re: Omate TrueSmart: Water-resistant standalone Sm by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Nor did the inventor of gear pro. That guy was a loser ... Why would anyone want a wearable camera? Pff... Cheese head

  76. "Memory Blank" is good SF with a very smart watch by deepseabird · · Score: 1

    No spoilers. I regard "Memory Blank" (John Stith) with the same sort of affection as "Chronicles of Amber". Late posting, I know, but it's a good read, but you'll probably have to find it in the second hand shop.

  77. oh dear by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I am going to be in big trouble when my watch is smarter than I am.

  78. Re:First of all the Betteridge Obligatory: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I agree. Apple was a one-man show but seems to have done pretty well since Wozniak left.

  79. Misdirection by RogueWarrior65 · · Score: 1

    I still think this might just be misdirection on Apple's part.

  80. Apple's product line by jfisherwa · · Score: 1

    If you look at Apple's product line, their smart watch would probably fit in mainly as an iOS/OS X remote, letting you connect to all of your iTunes-account-connected devices. Apple TV remote (with accelerometer), autologin/unlock within range, notifications from all of your devices aggregated(?), GPS, maybe some way to access Spotlight on all devices and Siri to tie everything together. Apps would mainly use notifications to work with the device. Home automation and security systems could be interesting.

  81. Re:First of all the Betteridge Obligatory: by Tom · · Score: 2

    If your company relies on the CEO to be the final QA, you have a bigger problem.

    Other companies would kill for having the problems that Apple had during the past decade. So your point is?

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  82. Mistaken use-case by GerryHattrick · · Score: 1

    We glance at a normal watch to see how much time is left, or how late we are. We don't much need to know 'timenow' in numbers. Anything 'digital' has the wrong metaphor.

  83. Software is why people buy Apple by sjbe · · Score: 1

    That's simply wrong and everybody knows it, no matter what Jobs might have said once in one of his promotional videos.

    "Wrong"? No. Counterintuitive I'll agree. Apple sells a vertically integrated product but (almost) no one buys a Mac to run Windows or Linux on it. They buy it because of OS X. OS X is what makes a Mac a Mac. Without OS X a Mac is just another me-too PC.

    Oh and just because you dislike Steve Jobs doesn't mean he is wrong. I've listened to a lot of his talks over the years and I've seen few instances where he was wrong about the big picture business model stuff. He got the details wrong sometimes but I'm pretty sure he understood perfectly what made Apple profitable and what did not.

    Apple's profit still mostly comes from hardware sales and it has always been that way.

    Apple's profit is almost entirely in their software. Their revenue comes from selling that software on Apple hardware. Huge difference. Apple hardware is essentially a commodity and would not command much if any profit without Apple's software. The functional parts of a Mac are almost identical to a randomly chosen PC. iPhones internals are close to identical to those of any other similarly spec'ed smartphone. Same with iPods and same with iPads. The ONLY functional piece of the device that is meaningfully different is the software.

    If they were a software company, they could easily open OS X and iOS to other hardware manufacturers, but in fact that would be their immediate death sentence.

    You just made my argument for me. If Apple were not a software company then it would not matter if they opened up their operating systems. After all, if the software is not the critical piece of Apple's business model then there would be no harm in trying to spread the software to third parties. You can tell what the core business of a company is by examining what would happen if you gave that piece of the business away. Apple doesn't even manufacture their own hardware for the most part. The design it and have someone else build it. But they do manufacture their own software and they don't outsource that to anyone.

  84. Apple TV anyone? by badasawsomeness · · Score: 1

    The inability to easily play content outside of itunes or the short list of Apple approved apps kept it from ever really taking off.

    While Apple is good at overcoming fragmentation in a given area of technology, bringing together the right functions in to one easy to use device. I believe their inability to play well with third party developers or to leave code open so others can develop technology that works with it, would keep a smart watch from becoming the new piece of technology it needs to be.

    Apples product design seems to be the exact same device in multiple form factors. People do not need to wear a second phone on their wrists, instead I believe for it to really take off it will need to be a new device in itself that works in conjunction with your phone. Bringing alerts and easy responses to your wrist for convenience, as well as new features that have not taken off well on phones: NFC, wireless payments, location specific services. I would love if a friend could take a group picture and then tap their phone to my watch to send the pic to my phone, (similar tech to S-beam) but this requires standard communication across multiple devices, something Apple is absolutely terrible at.

  85. Kinda... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Apple will be able to make an insanely smart watch after some other company does the hard work figuring out how to do it, and then they'll either buy it or just clone it.

  86. 386 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I remember reading an article in the 80's, and the guy predicted in the article that someday everybody would have been 386 what is for megabytes of memory. He prefaced his prediction with something like, âoeThis sounds crazy, but I believe that someday everybody will have ..."

    1. Re: 386 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      âoea 386 with 4mb of memory" - correction.