> For the purposes of being an application platform, he correctly identified the browser as middleware.
So I guess HTTP is forever divorced from the OS. But NFS and CIFS are by virtue of... what, not being HTTP?... that they can be used with mount(2). But with HTTP it's a "browser" and therefore it has a market that must be protected against the OS.
Just a nitpick, X has no DnD implementation. XDND has nothing to do with X itself, i.e. it is not an X extension or anything, it just has a name that sounds like it. XDND is however, used by both gnome and KDE, and if they agree on the type encodings, they should interoperate almost seamlessly (except the drop target probably won't know how to tell the drag "server" that it received the object)
I have a big beef with KDE though. No not the licensing silly! It's the fact that they ditched Corba as their component architecture. Why? It's not slow at all if you use in-process servers it's elegant in most languages and wiht the addition of POA it's extremely flexible.
All well and good to stand on the soapbox and declare this, but the KDE folks stepped up to the plate, tried CORBA, and came off bitterly disappointed. CORBA is a design-by-committee standard with a hugely heavyweight protocol (you ever seen how BIG an IOR is?), and layer after layer of API.
My biggest concern is that with OMG adopting the Corba Component Model all DCOPs and Bonobos will effectively become proprietary solutions. CCM will provide good intergration with JavaBeans which I'm sure all Java affectionados will appreciate too.
That's like saying OSF adopted Motif. OMG did not adopt CORBA, they invented it. We didn't exactly see Motif proliferate as an open and nonproprietary solution either (though it was a breath of fresh air at the time). Maybe this or that encrustation of yet another boondoggle might someday make us all hold hands in a fully interconnected world, but in the meantime, I defy you to show me just two free and open ORBs that can interoperate at a complex level. Let's try an important one, how about the Security service?
Why oh why did they have to rid of CORBA?!
Because they tried it, and the same armchair designers whinged about the overhead.
> KDE started off as the "Cool Desktop Environment"
I doubt the veracity of the book story. I suspect "Kalle's Desktop Environment", but the KDE maintainers have insisted that the "K" doesn't stand for anything at all, and that it was sort of a germanized spoof name of CDE (diesen krazy deutschlanderen, jah?).
You'll notice it like crazy if you're not on a LCD monitor with RGB stripes. You'll also notice it in low-light conditions. Doesn't work for white text on black background either, fringes like crazy. CT isn't likely to replace AA, but MS does use it in their PocketPC book reader, which is exactly the sort of thing it's aimed at.
How is this all-inclusive, single-source applications/OS environment any different than, say, Windows and Office?
Source.
Re:I thought that was settled ages ago...
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>Everyone pretty much agrees that the QPL is not an open source license
Except RMS, who calls it Free Software. Try the occasional bit research once in a while. Or feel free to weasel out and say you were referring to QPL 1.0
> IOW, they were too inflexible and narrow minded to give it a fair go.
What do you consider a fair go? Until they agree with you? I am not unenlightened, I have tried the indent way. I reject the philosophy of whitespace as block scope. Honestly, you sound like the door to door preacher that tells me about God's gift of eternal life. I reject them too. Not out of ignorance or fear, out of knowledge.
"...but it [Python] considers indentation as syntax..."
Oh, GET OVER IT ALREADY!
No. And I am tired of your god damned superior attitude. I just pushed a PHP project off my "project stack", and have a perl project prioritized now. Just below this is a syntax translator for python that removes the indent requirement by using a syntax similar to MOO (or algol, or shell, depending on what you imprinted on. It still doesn't require braces or semicolons, but is free of this weird and frankly offensive cultural jihad of yours against the "unclean" syntax, meaning just about every other language in existence (except your illustrious company of early FORTRAN and RPG).
It will generate compatible.pyc code, and I will translate the standard python library to it. I entirely aim to put an end to this nonsense once and for all.
... soon as I stop making it leak a stray colon into the compiler. I'm one lexical token away from knocking this idiocy down and claiming python as MY language too.
Bzzt. Self-reference is not infinite regress. If the license contains a meta-clause, criticizing the meta-clause counts as criticism of the license. Simple transitive theory there. Thanks for playing.
It's quite obvious that this search algorithm depends on someone being able to attach probabilities of correctness to their own statements, a proposition which looks to be in very dodgy epistemic standing
Hardly. Statistics deal with this all the time. If surveys show that 80% of slashdotters prefer hot grits, 10% prefer cold grits, and another 10% a naked and petrified Hemos, you have that data next time you want to search for what cowboy neal prefers. A win if that survey data wasn't indexed.
That's why you're score zero. Hot grits and M$ SUX posts dissent with my opinion of what I want to be spending my time reading.
Re:Whassa matter, the new kid scare you?
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Try reading at threshold 2 sometime. Only bash against it I've seen at that level before I got to your post was that it was Intel-only, and it was reasonably well-stated. Any trolling AC can get an account and post at threshold 1 in minutes.
And if you indeed were replying to one of the threshold 2 posts, I sincerely believe you need to get a sense of perspective and accept honest criticism for what it is. It's nothing compared to what scientific publications go through.
Re:Netscape won't show the .png screenshots! :-(
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You installed QuickTime. It took over your system. It installed itself as the handler for all kinds of media without asking. Oh, it'll even pop up a nag screen now and then. Oh and it installs itself in C:\Windows\system (last I checked, even if your system dir is something else) as hidden system files, and it has no uninstaller. Honestly, I've never seen a worse citizen in my life. I've seen viruses easier to remove.
> The first amendment to the US Constitution bars the *United States Government* from abridging a citizen's right to free speech
Correct. The government is therefore obliged to not respect any law or civil action enjoining you from exercising your rights under the First Amendment, regardless of the plantiff.
If this is indeed the official line, why not post this on Sourceforge? I have two small projects on Sourceforge right now. I have been agitating to get WorldForge onto SourceForge as well. But it's not likely to happen because of a) An unacceptably vague clause about "objectionable content" in the TOS, and now b) The perception that SF is not on the level with its contributors.
Issuing a public rationale for the closed development model would go a long way toward assuaging these concerns.
Re:Same old rant over and over again
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MySQL has no triggers or foreign key constraints Right. Because nobody needs them. They obfuscate the code and are only essential in theoretical discussions about RDBMSs.
I've haven't heard such horseshit in ages, and again moderated "insightful", likely owing to the wonderful job done at HTML formatting the post rather than actual thought that entered into it. I'll give you a trivial example: timestamping. An author updates a document in storage, and the change is timestamped by a trigger, and perhaps an author worklog is timestamped as well. Whether from a client application in perl or VB or python or a direct SQL query, this triggered update gets done and done right. And that's a trivial example. Your evidence seems to be "I don't use it, therefore no one else needs it." It's the same reason linux doesn't have a programmatic transactional system to update the goddam passwd files in a 30,000 employee system -- because Joe's Web Design And Auto Body doesn't need it.
Oh but that can be done at the application level, right? Some of us prefer to declare what we want and let the system generate the code properly. If I wanted to do everything at the application level, I'd use a damn tape-driven turing machine.
> OTOH, take the article's argument and flip it on its head: a *real* enterprise RDBMS, like Oracle, will *never* be as fast as MySQL for web applications, precisely because it's worrying about transactions and rollback
Final answer? Would you like to call a friend? (Ok I promise I'll never use that gag again)
First off, MySQL only supports table-level locking, which means every last update to the table has to be serialized. Can you imagine if amazon had to serialize all its orders? Or a payroll system that had to process every paycheck sequentially on payday?
Secondly, in a real database, transaction logging can be turned off at the database level. And rollback/commit overhead simply doesn't happen if you don't enter a transaction in your update in the first place.
> MySQL has no stored procedures. Absolute lie. It can load.so objects and has a known api
Learn what a stored procedure is before shooting your mouth off. Astonishing, what kind of doublethink passes for technical competence on slashdot these days.
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> For the purposes of being an application platform, he correctly identified the browser as middleware.
... what, not being HTTP? ... that they can be used with mount(2). But with HTTP it's a "browser" and therefore it has a market that must be protected against the OS.
So I guess HTTP is forever divorced from the OS. But NFS and CIFS are by virtue of
Correct my ass.
> KDE Drag and drop --> X Drag and Drop
Just a nitpick, X has no DnD implementation. XDND has nothing to do with X itself, i.e. it is not an X extension or anything, it just has a name that sounds like it. XDND is however, used by both gnome and KDE, and if they agree on the type encodings, they should interoperate almost seamlessly (except the drop target probably won't know how to tell the drag "server" that it received the object)
All well and good to stand on the soapbox and declare this, but the KDE folks stepped up to the plate, tried CORBA, and came off bitterly disappointed. CORBA is a design-by-committee standard with a hugely heavyweight protocol (you ever seen how BIG an IOR is?), and layer after layer of API.
That's like saying OSF adopted Motif. OMG did not adopt CORBA, they invented it. We didn't exactly see Motif proliferate as an open and nonproprietary solution either (though it was a breath of fresh air at the time). Maybe this or that encrustation of yet another boondoggle might someday make us all hold hands in a fully interconnected world, but in the meantime, I defy you to show me just two free and open ORBs that can interoperate at a complex level. Let's try an important one, how about the Security service?
Because they tried it, and the same armchair designers whinged about the overhead.
> KDE started off as the "Cool Desktop Environment"
I doubt the veracity of the book story. I suspect "Kalle's Desktop Environment", but the KDE maintainers have insisted that the "K" doesn't stand for anything at all, and that it was sort of a germanized spoof name of CDE (diesen krazy deutschlanderen, jah?).
You'll notice it like crazy if you're not on a LCD monitor with RGB stripes. You'll also notice it in low-light conditions. Doesn't work for white text on black background either, fringes like crazy. CT isn't likely to replace AA, but MS does use it in their PocketPC book reader, which is exactly the sort of thing it's aimed at.
How is this all-inclusive, single-source applications/OS environment any different than, say, Windows and Office?
Source.
>Everyone pretty much agrees that the QPL is not an open source license
Except RMS, who calls it Free Software. Try the occasional bit research once in a while. Or feel free to weasel out and say you were referring to QPL 1.0
> IOW, they were too inflexible and narrow minded to give it a fair go.
What do you consider a fair go? Until they agree with you? I am not unenlightened, I have tried the indent way. I reject the philosophy of whitespace as block scope. Honestly, you sound like the door to door preacher that tells me about God's gift of eternal life. I reject them too. Not out of ignorance or fear, out of knowledge.
Rejection sucks, don't it?
No. And I am tired of your god damned superior
attitude. I just pushed a PHP project off my "project stack", and have a perl project prioritized now. Just below this is a syntax translator for python that removes the indent requirement by using a syntax similar to MOO (or algol, or shell, depending on what you imprinted on. It still doesn't require braces or semicolons, but is free of this weird and frankly offensive cultural jihad of yours against the "unclean" syntax, meaning just about every other language in existence (except your illustrious company of early FORTRAN and RPG).
It will generate compatible
... soon as I stop making it leak a stray colon into the compiler. I'm one lexical token away from knocking this idiocy down and claiming python as MY language too.
# cd /usr/ports/x11/Xfree86-4
# make install
===> XFree86-4.0 is forbidden: Root hole in X server, XFree86 developers seem to be ignoring us.
Bzzt. Self-reference is not infinite regress. If the license contains a meta-clause, criticizing the meta-clause counts as criticism of the license. Simple transitive theory there. Thanks for playing.
> Every time you ask about his release, they'll keep him in captivity for another 24 hours..
crontabs are being edited across the land as we speak...
Hardly. Statistics deal with this all the time. If surveys show that 80% of slashdotters prefer hot grits, 10% prefer cold grits, and another 10% a naked and petrified Hemos, you have that data next time you want to search for what cowboy neal prefers. A win if that survey data wasn't indexed.
The word used to be "supplier".
Oh well at least I'm not seeing "architect" used as a verb anymore. I was just itching to shoot someone then.
That's why you're score zero. Hot grits and M$ SUX posts dissent with my opinion of what I want to be spending my time reading.
Try reading at threshold 2 sometime. Only bash against it I've seen at that level before I got to your post was that it was Intel-only, and it was reasonably well-stated. Any trolling AC can get an account and post at threshold 1 in minutes.
And if you indeed were replying to one of the threshold 2 posts, I sincerely believe you need to get a sense of perspective and accept honest criticism for what it is. It's nothing compared to what scientific publications go through.
You installed QuickTime. It took over your system. It installed itself as the handler for all kinds of media without asking. Oh, it'll even pop up a nag screen now and then. Oh and it installs itself in C:\Windows\system (last I checked, even if your system dir is something else) as hidden system files, and it has no uninstaller. Honestly, I've never seen a worse citizen in my life. I've seen viruses easier to remove.
>I'd be respectful but firm.
And I'd send them dialectized copies of their page. Along with "FUCK YOU" in several dialects.
> The first amendment to the US Constitution bars the *United States Government* from abridging a citizen's right to free speech
Correct. The government is therefore obliged to not respect any law or civil action enjoining you from exercising your rights under the First Amendment, regardless of the plantiff.
Mark,
If this is indeed the official line, why not post this on Sourceforge? I have two small projects on Sourceforge right now. I have been agitating to get WorldForge onto SourceForge as well. But it's not likely to happen because of a) An unacceptably vague clause about "objectionable content" in the TOS, and now b) The perception that SF is not on the level with its contributors.
Issuing a public rationale for the closed development model would go a long way toward assuaging these concerns.
MySQL has no triggers or foreign key constraints
Right. Because nobody needs them. They obfuscate the code and are only essential in theoretical discussions about RDBMSs.
I've haven't heard such horseshit in ages, and again moderated "insightful", likely owing to the wonderful job done at HTML formatting the post rather than actual thought that entered into it. I'll give you a trivial example: timestamping. An author updates a document in storage, and the change is timestamped by a trigger, and perhaps an author worklog is timestamped as well. Whether from a client application in perl or VB or python or a direct SQL query, this triggered update gets done and done right. And that's a trivial example. Your evidence seems to be "I don't use it, therefore no one else needs it." It's the same reason linux doesn't have a programmatic transactional system to update the goddam passwd files in a 30,000 employee system -- because Joe's Web Design And Auto Body doesn't need it.
Oh but that can be done at the application level, right? Some of us prefer to declare what we want and let the system generate the code properly. If I wanted to do everything at the application level, I'd use a damn tape-driven turing machine.
> OTOH, take the article's argument and flip it on its head: a *real* enterprise RDBMS, like Oracle, will *never* be as fast as MySQL for web applications, precisely because it's worrying about transactions and rollback
Final answer? Would you like to call a friend?
(Ok I promise I'll never use that gag again)
First off, MySQL only supports table-level locking, which means every last update to the table has to be serialized. Can you imagine if amazon had to serialize all its orders? Or a payroll system that had to process every paycheck sequentially on payday?
Secondly, in a real database, transaction logging can be turned off at the database level. And rollback/commit overhead simply doesn't happen if you don't enter a transaction in your update in the first place.
> MySQL has no stored procedures. Absolute lie. It can load .so objects and has a known api
Learn what a stored procedure is before shooting your mouth off. Astonishing, what kind of doublethink passes for technical competence on slashdot these days.
> The Libertarian Party is not a "conservative" organization. Elimination of most of the government and its laws is hardly conservative.
They oppose censorship. Therefore they are a threat. It's that simple.
> You want to watch your free software turn into multiple incompatable branches of proprietary, closed-source software, use the BSD license.
Why yes, just look at how this license has fragmented and rendered irrelevant FreeBSD, Apache, and X11. Just footnotes in history, they are...