If we start limiting to those who have "a license" it is no longer an open forum and will become an elitist realm.
Having a driver's license makes you an elitist? hmmm, i never knew that... i guess i should start calling my self in the "elite" class of those that can drive a car...
hey all, Anybody have any *positive* predictions of what will become of the internet? All the posts i've read so far are *so* negative. Even that online comic is pretty depressing (well, up to what i read, anyway)... c'mon guys, anything positive to see in the future?
Many of the posts i've seen discredit the person and his views as a whole. I agree, some of the things he says, i believe, have nothing to do with his argument against free(libre) software, and he definitely shouldn't lump ESR and RMS into one category. However, the good points should be recognized, especially on his views that it is *not* immoral to sell proprietary software. Some people may not like it, but it doesn't make it immoral. I think we should take his view much like most philosophers these days take Aristotle's philosophy on human nature. Philosophers like rousseau and hobbes believe in the social contract, where everyone in society was an individual, and only came together in groups because it was pragmatic for their survival. Aristotle was one of the first to say that humans were naturally social creatures. Aristotle also says in the same paper that there are naturally slaves and masters, and that women are inferior to men. However, i think Aristotle brings an interesting view to the table that may not have come up if it wasn't for him.
So, in conclusion, take the sound arguments from Mr. Meyer, while filtering out the unsound arguments. I for one hand agree with much about what he has to say about RMS, but not ESR.
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It's not a case over whether or not you have a right to listen to MP3's of your own CD's. You *do* have a right to do that
*no*, you do not have a right to have mp3's PERIOD. I can't find the exact text right now, but I remember reading on the RIAA site their explanation of the Home Recording Act, and it said you are not allowed to copy your cd's to mp3's. The reason you could copy your cd's to tapes is because the RIAA gets a cut of each blank tape sold (same with blank videotapes), so when you buy the tape, you are essentially buying the right to copy. But they don't have anything like that for computers or hard drives, so mp3's are illegal - not that I agree with this, but that's the law right now.
Jeez people, I can quote anyone I damn well please -- that's what a quotation IS. I can grab a random, copyrighted book from the nearest library and quote a passage from it for use in MY newest book. That's the way it has ALWAYS WORKED.
yes, but you also have to cite the quote as well. I actually agree with the the poster that supposedly just wrote his last post. Although the comments are being used for a good cause, and jonkatz isn't really making money off this, that's not the point here. Comments are owned by the poster. That's what it says. I guess quoting in a newspaper is ok, but what about a book? Everyone makes the analogy saying, "what if you were quoted in a newspaper article?" but nobody has mentioned about being quoted in a book... also, quotes are usually not the majority of the book. Quotes merely help get the point across that you're trying make and should augment your writing/article, but comments making up most of the book? I'm sure there are books out there that are a collection of comments or pieces from other people. What policy did they use?
Hint: if the morality of 90% of the population can accomodate it, the law is probably wrong.
hint: 90% of all germans thought it ok to kill off all the jews. 90% of whites thought it ok to enslave and degrade blacks in the U.S. Just because a majority of the people agree on something does not make it right, at all, notta, whatsoever. As for the morality thing, whether it is relative or absolute is debatable. Different famous philosophers have different views about that. So don't think that you're view is the only view, thinking that in itself shows that you believe something absolutely - that everything is relative. The AC is right, you are the.1% that actually listens to the music and then buys it. But please, please don't say that the majority view is the right view. Most people have the view because it is in their best interest, in this case, free, pirated music.
Just to clarify a couple of things. You don't follow Christianity to become a better person, you do this because you realize you're a sinner (you, me, Mother Teresa)... what people don't get (including me) is that God is so much purer than us. *We* may think we're good, but compared to God, it is like us seeing someone covered in crap. Somehow, I just can't see this, but that's what they say. Once you realize who God actually is, then you'll be scared out of your wits and then you'll ask for forgiveness and he'll give it to you. That's the process. Being good is more like a post-production thing. You try to be good to get closer to God and you want to please him so you do what he says (the Bible). You become completely grateful that He saved you. Once again, the goal of Christianity is *not* to become a good person.
and some more complaints... If these stupid aliens were so advanced, why did they have to come to earth as molecules... I mean, they had these cool looking spaceships coming out of mars when the big meteor hit... and speaking of the meteor... if these aliens could make spaceships that flew to places all over the galaxy, then they should have had a friggin "laser" to blast that thing out of the sky... or at least they could've drilled a friggin hole into it so it would split in two and miss mars on either side by 400 miles!...
I mean, yes, it should be legal for you to copy a DVD movie onto your harddrive *as long as you own it.* Those are the key words. But who actaully does this? The possibility of illegal use is there and that is why the MPAA and other such organizations are fighting deCSS, mp3, or whatever. It is legal for you to d/l an mp3, *only if you own the song already* but who the hell actually does this? People get the songs they don't have, and this hurts those artists that would have gotten money if those have actually bought it.
There's the argument saying that people wouldn't buy the CD or song anyway, so d/ling the mp3 would just increase the popularity of the artist. But why buy the CD or song at all when you could get it off the net. People may have bought the CD/song if they couldn't get it in mp3 format, but since they could, why spend money, when you don't have to?
Some people say CDs are too expensive and the RIAA and MPAA are ripping you off.. well, hey, no one's forcing you to buy those CDs or movie tickets... it's called supply and demand, if you're at the placeon the curve where you feel it is too expensive, then you don't have to buy it, but stealing it, i.e., whether it be d/ling an mp3 or sneaking into a movie theater is wrong.
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hey all,
Anybody have any *positive* predictions of what will become of the internet? All the posts i've read so far are *so* negative. Even that online comic is pretty depressing (well, up to what i read, anyway)... c'mon guys, anything positive to see in the future?
Many of the posts i've seen discredit the person and his views as a whole. I agree, some of the things he says, i believe, have nothing to do with his argument against free(libre) software, and he definitely shouldn't lump ESR and RMS into one category. However, the good points should be recognized, especially on his views that it is *not* immoral to sell proprietary software. Some people may not like it, but it doesn't make it immoral. I think we should take his view much like most philosophers these days take Aristotle's philosophy on human nature. Philosophers like rousseau and hobbes believe in the social contract, where everyone in society was an individual, and only came together in groups because it was pragmatic for their survival. Aristotle was one of the first to say that humans were naturally social creatures. Aristotle also says in the same paper that there are naturally slaves and masters, and that women are inferior to men. However, i think Aristotle brings an interesting view to the table that may not have come up if it wasn't for him.
So, in conclusion, take the sound arguments from Mr. Meyer, while filtering out the unsound arguments. I for one hand agree with much about what he has to say about RMS, but not ESR.
It's not a case over whether or not you have a right to listen to MP3's of your own CD's. You *do* have a right to do that
*no*, you do not have a right to have mp3's PERIOD. I can't find the exact text right now, but I remember reading on the RIAA site their explanation of the Home Recording Act, and it said you are not allowed to copy your cd's to mp3's. The reason you could copy your cd's to tapes is because the RIAA gets a cut of each blank tape sold (same with blank videotapes), so when you buy the tape, you are essentially buying the right to copy. But they don't have anything like that for computers or hard drives, so mp3's are illegal - not that I agree with this, but that's the law right now.
yes, but you also have to cite the quote as well. I actually agree with the the poster that supposedly just wrote his last post. Although the comments are being used for a good cause, and jonkatz isn't really making money off this, that's not the point here. Comments are owned by the poster. That's what it says. I guess quoting in a newspaper is ok, but what about a book? Everyone makes the analogy saying, "what if you were quoted in a newspaper article?" but nobody has mentioned about being quoted in a book... also, quotes are usually not the majority of the book. Quotes merely help get the point across that you're trying make and should augment your writing/article, but comments making up most of the book? I'm sure there are books out there that are a collection of comments or pieces from other people. What policy did they use?
Hint: if the morality of 90% of the population can accomodate it, the law is probably wrong.
.1% that actually listens to the music and then buys it. But please, please don't say that the majority view is the right view. Most people have the view because it is in their best interest, in this case, free, pirated music.
hint: 90% of all germans thought it ok to kill off all the jews. 90% of whites thought it ok to enslave and degrade blacks in the U.S.
Just because a majority of the people agree on something does not make it right, at all, notta, whatsoever.
As for the morality thing, whether it is relative or absolute is debatable. Different famous philosophers have different views about that. So don't think that you're view is the only view, thinking that in itself shows that you believe something absolutely - that everything is relative. The AC is right, you are the
Just to clarify a couple of things. You don't follow Christianity to become a better person, you do this because you realize you're a sinner (you, me, Mother Teresa)... what people don't get (including me) is that God is so much purer than us. *We* may think we're good, but compared to God, it is like us seeing someone covered in crap. Somehow, I just can't see this, but that's what they say. Once you realize who God actually is, then you'll be scared out of your wits and then you'll ask for forgiveness and he'll give it to you. That's the process. Being good is more like a post-production thing. You try to be good to get closer to God and you want to please him so you do what he says (the Bible). You become completely grateful that He saved you. Once again, the goal of Christianity is *not* to become a good person.
and some more complaints... If these stupid aliens were so advanced, why did they have to come to earth as molecules... I mean, they had these cool looking spaceships coming out of mars when the big meteor hit... and speaking of the meteor... if these aliens could make spaceships that flew to places all over the galaxy, then they should have had a friggin "laser" to blast that thing out of the sky... or at least they could've drilled a friggin hole into it so it would split in two and miss mars on either side by 400 miles!...
I mean, yes, it should be legal for you to copy a DVD movie onto your harddrive *as long as you own it.* Those are the key words. But who actaully does this? The possibility of illegal use is there and that is why the MPAA and other such organizations are fighting deCSS, mp3, or whatever. It is legal for you to d/l an mp3, *only if you own the song already* but who the hell actually does this? People get the songs they don't have, and this hurts those artists that would have gotten money if those have actually bought it.
There's the argument saying that people wouldn't buy the CD or song anyway, so d/ling the mp3 would just increase the popularity of the artist. But why buy the CD or song at all when you could get it off the net. People may have bought the CD/song if they couldn't get it in mp3 format, but since they could, why spend money, when you don't have to?
Some people say CDs are too expensive and the RIAA and MPAA are ripping you off.. well, hey, no one's forcing you to buy those CDs or movie tickets... it's called supply and demand, if you're at the placeon the curve where you feel it is too expensive, then you don't have to buy it, but stealing it, i.e., whether it be d/ling an mp3 or sneaking into a movie theater is wrong.
What not happy with the COM based model of ARC 8 using VB or VBScript? ;)
They still are pretty screwy about it. As I understand it you will have the ability to use the ARC 8 COM objects and the old SDE.
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