This is a problem because the lawyers feel the teacher is 100% responsible 100% of all the viewing on all 30 laptops.
That's strange. When I was in high school, I felt I was 100% responsible for what I did with school computers. As long as I didn't put poledit.exe (which would circumvent a big part of the security...) on the network drive, it was free reign. Looking at women, downloading music,....
I understand one reason for outrage: taxpayers pay big money for that bandwidth with the expectation that it's used to further my education, so that resource shouldn't be wasted on my personal business. Fair enough.
Was there another argument? 14-year old boys who actively seek out porn are going to be damaged by looking at porn? Dudewaitwhat?
Toyota tracking all US drivers with a device hidden in the glove box!
They must be terrorists! Only terrorists would monitor a whole population. You should go over and fight them over there, so you don't have to fight them at home.
It shows that kids have no passion for the material if the adults have to resort to bribes to get them to study.
Imagine yourself in prison from 8 to 14 every day, where the wardens are the judge, jury and executioners all in one, where there's no appeal process. Here's a soccer ball. Do you feel like playing with your inmates? We also have a book on the history of Turkmenistan. Do you feel like reading? Well, you have to. And you have to develop an understanding of what you read.
Such is the life of school: you're forced to be there, you're forced to learn what is presented to you, you have no choice, no freedom and no justice. Do you seriously expect kids to be motivated?
If you're trying to produce people who can work together and be productive members of society then it makes sense to dock people that not followed rules which directly relate to that.
Then wouldn't it make sense not to take away their Math grade, which supposedly tells you about the student's math abilities, but instead add grading on those properties you think are important (work ethics, cooperativeness, etc.)? Then flunk them in work ethics if thy don't show up etc.
I needed to do well in school, not because I'd get some reward in 3 months, but because if I wanted to do what I want for the remainder of my life, I'd have to work to get there.
Dammit, I didn't discover programming until age 14, and I didn't really decide that was what I wanted to do with my life until age 20. But see also http://xkcd.com/519/;-)
This sort of program feeds into feelings of entitlement
Really? I think it'd communicate that "to receive X, you must do Y". Isn't that how the workplace works---you do the task your boss gives you, and you get paid. Isn't allowances more like "You deserve some money, here you go"?
action requires an immediate reward
I study now, I get paid later. How's that immediate?
Although I agree with his point, Ben Goldacre also makes up some facts, like this one "...for example, people who download more also buy more music." I would have to disagree, after all if I can get the music for free, why would anyone ever pay?
Let's see what you're saying.
You're saying that a particular factual claim, "downloaders buy more", is made up.
Your argument is "I disagree", and a theoretical explanation of why.
Your position would have been much more well-argued (and thus credible) if you had provided factual observations, i.e. evidence, to back up your theoretical assertion.
A sibling poster has linked to evidence for Goldacre's position. Read it and make up your own mind.
As a lot of people have mentioned, TalkTalk aren't all roses. Censorship, advertisement, traffic caps, oversubscription, bad support:(
I guess I in my innocence assumed all ISPs to be as benign as mine.
They overtly censor thepiratebay.org, because the court told them to. Anything else is fair game. No ads, friendly support (good for what little I've used it), no caps, I seem to get the advertised rates.
They're at bnaa.dk (in Danish). Again, I'm not paid to say anything:)
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This is a problem because the lawyers feel the teacher is 100% responsible 100% of all the viewing on all 30 laptops.
That's strange. When I was in high school, I felt I was 100% responsible for what I did with school computers. As long as I didn't put poledit.exe (which would circumvent a big part of the security...) on the network drive, it was free reign. Looking at women, downloading music, ....
I understand one reason for outrage: taxpayers pay big money for that bandwidth with the expectation that it's used to further my education, so that resource shouldn't be wasted on my personal business. Fair enough.
Was there another argument? 14-year old boys who actively seek out porn are going to be damaged by looking at porn? Dudewaitwhat?
"I need your clothes, your books and your motorcycle."
I can tell you the most common "notes" a student puts in the margins are [...] "Gatsby dies."
Oh my god, they all have ADD!
But then how can we rack up the prices on the timeless textbook material?
I say we keep them together. So does the other publishing company (thanks, buddies).
Cool offer. No thanks.
(Signed, your friendly neighbourhood blood-from-rock-squeezer)
Toyota tracking all US drivers with a device hidden in the glove box!
They must be terrorists! Only terrorists would monitor a whole population. You should go over and fight them over there, so you don't have to fight them at home.
Uhmm... or something...
Knowledge leads to wisdom.
Wisdom leads to helping the world.
Helping the world... leads to suffering.
I'm not good at being Yoda :(
What do you think people would say about him if he said "Im the greatest of all time. [...] Your all stupidheads!"
How about "get back to your English class"? ;-)
He will discover girls.
Why weren't there any girls in my physics lab? :(
in school, having all four A's is better
I thought it was all about the three R's.
I figured that meant Rivest, Riemann and Röntgen. Turns out I was "Rong" again :(
It shows that kids have no passion for the material if the adults have to resort to bribes to get them to study.
Imagine yourself in prison from 8 to 14 every day, where the wardens are the judge, jury and executioners all in one, where there's no appeal process. Here's a soccer ball. Do you feel like playing with your inmates? We also have a book on the history of Turkmenistan. Do you feel like reading? Well, you have to. And you have to develop an understanding of what you read.
Such is the life of school: you're forced to be there, you're forced to learn what is presented to you, you have no choice, no freedom and no justice. Do you seriously expect kids to be motivated?
Polly want a cracker?
Polly want a pony!!!
Teenagers tend to not believe adults when we tell them that working hard and doing good in school is for their own benefit.
If they value their social status, my impression is that working hard and doing good in school is bad for teenagers...
A big problem with kids (high-school included) is that they don't understand the value of an education.
A big problem with education is that it doesn't make the value of itself understandable to kids.
If you're trying to produce people who can work together and be productive members of society then it makes sense to dock people that not followed rules which directly relate to that.
Then wouldn't it make sense not to take away their Math grade, which supposedly tells you about the student's math abilities, but instead add grading on those properties you think are important (work ethics, cooperativeness, etc.)? Then flunk them in work ethics if thy don't show up etc.
I needed to do well in school, not because I'd get some reward in 3 months, but because if I wanted to do what I want for the remainder of my life, I'd have to work to get there.
Dammit, I didn't discover programming until age 14, and I didn't really decide that was what I wanted to do with my life until age 20. But see also http://xkcd.com/519/ ;-)
This sort of program feeds into feelings of entitlement
Really? I think it'd communicate that "to receive X, you must do Y". Isn't that how the workplace works---you do the task your boss gives you, and you get paid. Isn't allowances more like "You deserve some money, here you go"?
action requires an immediate reward
I study now, I get paid later. How's that immediate?
Or am I misreading you?
It also happens to be a very hands-on field.
Dammit! I knew my preference for theory would come back and bite me in the ass some day.
How do you know he didn't mean "lossily" ;-)
So are they vampire ghosts or ghost pirate or vampire pirate ghosts?
Bah, screw it... I don't think the warezwolves care anyways.
But wouldn't that be a forgery of the signature I made when I ordered a Swedish VPN exit point? ;-)
"why in God's name should I pay for something that I can get for free?" But it turns out, there are people who will do that
Ssssh! The RIAA can hear us...
M5 suffered from the same megalomania and psychosis that its creator, Dr. Richard Daystrom, suffered from.
Maybe my monitor isn't correctly calibrated (or the beer from yesterday isn't correctly decalibrated), but I read that as "MS suffered ..."
"I'm gonna' fucking kill ...", etc. ;-)
But was it himself who sent it, or his hordes of zombies? Or perhaps his mechanical Thuerk?
You can add some interesting features like web page scrapers, etc.
... security holes, 90's UI paradigms, Active X controls, proprietary extensions, ...
Yeah, I can see the appeal ;-)
Although I agree with his point, Ben Goldacre also makes up some facts, like this one "...for example, people who download more also buy more music." I would have to disagree, after all if I can get the music for free, why would anyone ever pay?
Let's see what you're saying.
You're saying that a particular factual claim, "downloaders buy more", is made up.
Your argument is "I disagree", and a theoretical explanation of why.
Your position would have been much more well-argued (and thus credible) if you had provided factual observations, i.e. evidence, to back up your theoretical assertion.
A sibling poster has linked to evidence for Goldacre's position. Read it and make up your own mind.
As a lot of people have mentioned, TalkTalk aren't all roses. Censorship, advertisement, traffic caps, oversubscription, bad support :(
I guess I in my innocence assumed all ISPs to be as benign as mine.
They overtly censor thepiratebay.org, because the court told them to. Anything else is fair game. No ads, friendly support (good for what little I've used it), no caps, I seem to get the advertised rates.
They're at bnaa.dk (in Danish). Again, I'm not paid to say anything :)