I imported the full list into Word and did a search for the term suicide and counted up every new seperate entry. To make a quick double check I looked back at the hits at random to ensure that the word was used correctly in context.
>>>> Anyway, how does this matter to Islam? All religions have extremists, it's a constant. The Jewish far right killed Yitzhak Rabin and members opened fire on innocent Arabs, etc. Buddhist monks rioted and killed innocent Muslims because of alleged disrespect to a shrine. The IRA claims to have religious Christian backing. Aum Shinkrikyo is Buddhist/Hindu.
It matters because the post that started this thread was about Suicide Bombers in the Middle East - nothing else. It's obvious that a lot of the Muslim world is still living in the dark ages both literally and figuratively. But that's not the point. The point is people are so quick to get bent out of shape when someone makes a joke that offends their liberal sensibilities that they try to defend silly viewpoints or they act holier-than-though about how small minded it is to use stereotypes - hell this whole freaking Slashdot Forum is nothing BUT a ton of leftist stereotypes and mindless drivel about how bad America is or how horrible or president is. But I guess stereotypes are "OK" as long as you use them to demonize the Right.
I DIDNT mention it - the original response was by someone who was trying to "dispel" the supposed misconception that suicde bombers are typically muslim/middle eastern. Considering the fact the the original first post was a JOKE about the Simpons being shown in the Middle East and having a guy whith dynamite strapped to his chest - Id say the current chances of a suicide bomber in the Mddle East being Muslim/Middle Eastern is nearly 100 percent. Last time I looked the Tamil Tigers are not operating in Iraq... I just found it funny that someone would be so quick to denounce the idea that a suicide bomber in the middle east would actually, Allah forbid, be Muslim> Come on people dont let your ideology conceal the reality of the scenario.
And I'd say stereotypes are perfecty useful. Personally I use them all the time. Doesn't mean occasinaly they are not incorrect, but I'm not about to go through life evaluating every single micro decision based on an extensive checklist of PC evaluations.. Suffice to say that next time I'm in downtown LA and a gang banger looking black guy wearing baggy shorts and tatooes comes up to my car at an intersection I'm not about to roll down my window and question him as to what sort of fine fellow he might be and whether or not he might actually be an engineering student from UCLA.. Im going to keep my doors locked, as well you should too. Liberal Idealism will get you mugged or killed in LA.
Like I said before - stereotypes don't have to be right 100 percent of the time, only enough to give you a quick frame of reference from which to make an initial decision on and whethere or not you wnat to pursue further investigation into the specifics is up to you. And Im not here defending them in all case - only pointing out that in THIS particular example ( the suicide bombers) - the stereotype is perfeclty valid and understandable.
Look we all get stereotyped whether we like it or not - People look at me and think "Dumb Jock" becuase I lift weights and weigh 260 pounds at 5'10" - But I'm one of the top people in my field which has ZERO do to with atheletics - it's an Art related profession. But I get that preconcieved opinion from people ALL the time.. I dont spend my time whining and bitching and being all sensitive about it.. I just get on with life, and enjoy a funny joke about Arabic Simpons and suicide bombers when I see it
Of course, it is not the entire Muslim world we are speaking of, just a portion of it and just a tiny percentage of worldwide Muslims. But the figures for Iraq alone are appalling -- about 400 suicide bombings since the U.S. invasion in March 2003. Even if the number includes a preponderance of foreigners -- Saudis in particular -- it would have been hard at one time to conceive that there were so many people willing to end their own lives, not to mention those of others, particularly children. ---
He didnt even mention Palestine, Bali, Chechnya etc.
But hey, we can throw around figures back and forth all day long.. Different sites all cite diffrent numbers.. but the key point is that its a lot - and, as I've said repeatedly, the majority of the bombers were Muslim and or/Middle Eastern. Giving examples around the world of other groups who have used them does not negate the fact that MOST bombers are Muslim. Thus, the stereotype is well founded.
Stereotypes do not imply that each and every single person must fit the type - only that there is a perponderance of examples to create the image in peoples' mind in the first place. I'd say that definately applies in this case.
It's like the stereotype of black or Mexican gang-bangers or white serial killers.. Are there examples that don't fit the bill? yes of course, but usually in America gangers are black or Mexican and serial killers are fucked up white guys
showed roughly 150 Muslim suicide bombings around the world in just in the past 12 months alone! I'd say the case is closed on this one. Sure the Tamils are more suicical taking population into account (compared to the much larger number of Muslims) but the end volume of Muslims willing to blow themselves up is staggering...
>>>Like the stereotype of the ignorant, racist, fat American?
Like most others, that stereotype is somewhat well founded - America DOES have a big problem with obesity, espcially in the midwest. And as the standards in the public educational system continue to decline it is fair to say that on average, the intelligence and education of the "average" American is declining. Massive amounts of illegal immigration by uneducated masses of people isn't helping to raise that average either.
As for "racist" - well thats an entirely subjective assesment. Depends on your definition. In America today, insistance on having English as the official language or any opposition to open borders will get you labled as a racist hate monger by the Left. And since the majority of Americans DO support reducing illegal immigration and a single common language, then I guess that label fits as well.
>>>Given that there is a far, far greater chance of you dying after being hit by a car, it serves no purpose for either you or me to be afraid
No argument there... but my point still remains, the world threat of Tamil suicide bombes vs. Muslim suicide bombers is laughable. Therefore it's not a "mistaken" or "misguided" stereotype to think of Muslims first when the topic of suicide bombers comes up. Stereotypes come into existance for a reason, not out of thin air.
What in the hell does your bizarre rant have to do with the fact that Kamikazees who died out after WW2 have no relation to the fact that modern suicide bombers are overwhelmingly Muslim?
The original point was a response to someone saying that it was a mistaken stereotype to associate suicide bombers with Muslims..
Must I say it yet again? WE WERE DISCUSSING MODERN SUICIDE BOMBERS - not WWII German war crimes And by the way, I'm a lot older than you are "son"
Well.. lets see.. last time I looked, Kamikazes died out uh.. about 50 freakin years ago!? come on people get real. And yea that terrible Tamil Tiger scourge really has Israel,America,England,Malaysia,Russia etc all worried.
If those "examples" are meant to disprove my point that the VAST majority of suicide bombings in the here and now are Muslims, then by any resonable standard of intellectual honesty you have to concede defeat.
No one ever said that Muslims INVENTED it, only that they are the majority of current users of that tactic. Just for fun do a google search on "Suicide Bombers" and compare the number of "Tamil Tiger" related hits to Muslim Fanatics related links..
>>Ignoring your stereotyped and misinformed implication that suicide bombing is a hobby particular to the Middle East
Please enlighten us to the other numerous groups who routinely engage in suicide bombings besides Muslims. Sure there will always be the occasional assorted nutball, but the vast majority of that shit is from Muslim fanatics who live primarily in the Middle East.
The reason his post was funny is becuase although it's non-PC, everyone knows its true.
No.. as long as you are American citizen you are free to have your own opinion about whatever you want. Even science fiction writers. Sorry, but you just have to accept the fact that not everyone is willing to meekly fall in line with the Left's ideologies out of fear.
But I guess if those opinions dont fall in line with the Left's version of "acceptable PC thought" then you must be a "racist homophobic bigot". You Lefties throw those words around so frequently against anyone you disagree with that they no longer have any relevance or meaning.
I thought the Left was all about freedom of thought and expression?
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I imported the full list into Word and did a search for the term suicide and counted up every new seperate entry. To make a quick double check I looked back at the hits at random to ensure that the word was used correctly in context.
>>>> Anyway, how does this matter to Islam? All religions have extremists, it's a constant. The Jewish far right killed Yitzhak Rabin and members opened fire on innocent Arabs, etc. Buddhist monks rioted and killed innocent Muslims because of alleged disrespect to a shrine. The IRA claims to have religious Christian backing. Aum Shinkrikyo is Buddhist/Hindu.
It matters because the post that started this thread was about Suicide Bombers in the Middle East - nothing else. It's obvious that a lot of the Muslim world is still living in the dark ages both literally and figuratively. But that's not the point. The point is people are so quick to get bent out of shape when someone makes a joke that offends their liberal sensibilities that they try to defend silly viewpoints or they act holier-than-though about how small minded it is to use stereotypes - hell this whole freaking Slashdot Forum is nothing BUT a ton of leftist stereotypes and mindless drivel about how bad America is or how horrible or president is. But I guess stereotypes are "OK" as long as you use them to demonize the Right.
I DIDNT mention it - the original response was by someone who was trying to "dispel" the supposed misconception that suicde bombers are typically muslim/middle eastern. Considering the fact the the original first post was a JOKE about the Simpons being shown in the Middle East and having a guy whith dynamite strapped to his chest - Id say the current chances of a suicide bomber in the Mddle East being Muslim/Middle Eastern is nearly 100 percent. Last time I looked the Tamil Tigers are not operating in Iraq... I just found it funny that someone would be so quick to denounce the idea that a suicide bomber in the middle east would actually, Allah forbid, be Muslim> Come on people dont let your ideology conceal the reality of the scenario.
And I'd say stereotypes are perfecty useful. Personally I use them all the time. Doesn't mean occasinaly they are not incorrect, but I'm not about to go through life evaluating every single micro decision based on an extensive checklist of PC evaluations.. Suffice to say that next time I'm in downtown LA and a gang banger looking black guy wearing baggy shorts and tatooes comes up to my car at an intersection I'm not about to roll down my window and question him as to what sort of fine fellow he might be and whether or not he might actually be an engineering student from UCLA.. Im going to keep my doors locked, as well you should too. Liberal Idealism will get you mugged or killed in LA.
Like I said before - stereotypes don't have to be right 100 percent of the time, only enough to give you a quick frame of reference from which to make an initial decision on and whethere or not you wnat to pursue further investigation into the specifics is up to you. And Im not here defending them in all case - only pointing out that in THIS particular example ( the suicide bombers) - the stereotype is perfeclty valid and understandable.
Look we all get stereotyped whether we like it or not - People look at me and think "Dumb Jock" becuase I lift weights and weigh 260 pounds at 5'10" - But I'm one of the top people in my field which has ZERO do to with atheletics - it's an Art related profession. But I get that preconcieved opinion from people ALL the time.. I dont spend my time whining and bitching and being all sensitive about it.. I just get on with life, and enjoy a funny joke about Arabic Simpons and suicide bombers when I see it
Please read the list again - its about 150.. I have no idea how you came up with only 12.
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Ok if you dont like that site, how about the Washington post?
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/arti
Richard Cohen writes:
Of course, it is not the entire Muslim world we are speaking of, just a portion of it and just a tiny percentage of worldwide Muslims. But the figures for Iraq alone are appalling -- about 400 suicide bombings since the U.S. invasion in March 2003. Even if the number includes a preponderance of foreigners -- Saudis in particular -- it would have been hard at one time to conceive that there were so many people willing to end their own lives, not to mention those of others, particularly children.
---
He didnt even mention Palestine, Bali, Chechnya etc.
But hey, we can throw around figures back and forth all day long.. Different sites all cite diffrent numbers.. but the key point is that its a lot - and, as I've said repeatedly, the majority of the bombers were Muslim and or/Middle Eastern. Giving examples around the world of other groups who have used them does not negate the fact that MOST bombers are Muslim. Thus, the stereotype is well founded.
Stereotypes do not imply that each and every single person must fit the type - only that there is a perponderance of examples to create the image in peoples' mind in the first place. I'd say that definately applies in this case.
It's like the stereotype of black or Mexican gang-bangers or white serial killers.. Are there examples that don't fit the bill? yes of course, but usually in America gangers are black or Mexican and serial killers are fucked up white guys
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showed roughly 150 Muslim suicide bombings around the world in just in the past 12 months alone! I'd say the case is closed on this one. Sure the Tamils are more suicical taking population into account (compared to the much larger number of Muslims) but the end volume of Muslims willing to blow themselves up is staggering...
>>>Like the stereotype of the ignorant, racist, fat American?
Like most others, that stereotype is somewhat well founded - America DOES have a big problem with obesity, espcially in the midwest. And as the standards in the public educational system continue to decline it is fair to say that on average, the intelligence and education of the "average" American is declining. Massive amounts of illegal immigration by uneducated masses of people isn't helping to raise that average either.
As for "racist" - well thats an entirely subjective assesment. Depends on your definition. In America today, insistance on having English as the official language or any opposition to open borders will get you labled as a racist hate monger by the Left. And since the majority of Americans DO support reducing illegal immigration and a single common language, then I guess that label fits as well.
>>>Given that there is a far, far greater chance of you dying after being hit by a car, it serves no purpose for either you or me to be afraid No argument there... but my point still remains, the world threat of Tamil suicide bombes vs. Muslim suicide bombers is laughable. Therefore it's not a "mistaken" or "misguided" stereotype to think of Muslims first when the topic of suicide bombers comes up. Stereotypes come into existance for a reason, not out of thin air.
What in the hell does your bizarre rant have to do with the fact that Kamikazees who died out after WW2 have no relation to the fact that modern suicide bombers are overwhelmingly Muslim?
The original point was a response to someone saying that it was a mistaken stereotype to associate suicide bombers with Muslims..
Must I say it yet again? WE WERE DISCUSSING MODERN SUICIDE BOMBERS - not WWII German war crimes
And by the way, I'm a lot older than you are "son"
Well.. lets see.. last time I looked, Kamikazes died out uh.. about 50 freakin years ago!? come on people get real. And yea that terrible Tamil Tiger scourge really has Israel,America,England,Malaysia,Russia etc all worried.
If those "examples" are meant to disprove my point that the VAST majority of suicide bombings in the here and now are Muslims, then by any resonable standard of intellectual honesty you have to concede defeat.
No one ever said that Muslims INVENTED it, only that they are the majority of current users of that tactic. Just for fun do a google search on "Suicide Bombers" and compare the number of "Tamil Tiger" related hits to Muslim Fanatics related links..
>>Ignoring your stereotyped and misinformed implication that suicide bombing is a hobby particular to the Middle East Please enlighten us to the other numerous groups who routinely engage in suicide bombings besides Muslims. Sure there will always be the occasional assorted nutball, but the vast majority of that shit is from Muslim fanatics who live primarily in the Middle East. The reason his post was funny is becuase although it's non-PC, everyone knows its true.
No.. as long as you are American citizen you are free to have your own opinion about whatever you want. Even science fiction writers. Sorry, but you just have to accept the fact that not everyone is willing to meekly fall in line with the Left's ideologies out of fear. But I guess if those opinions dont fall in line with the Left's version of "acceptable PC thought" then you must be a "racist homophobic bigot". You Lefties throw those words around so frequently against anyone you disagree with that they no longer have any relevance or meaning. I thought the Left was all about freedom of thought and expression?