Actually, the whole thing about trademarking the protocol name is just silly
No joke. IIRC, If a company fails to act on a trademark infringment (i.e. sue the pants off the infringer), it loses the right to sue for further trademark infringment. Can someone explain how the SSH(tm) lawyers think they have a leg to stand on considering this "trademark" has been used as if it were public domain for YEARS now?
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You lucky punk! I used AOL v1.1 on my Mac Quadra over a 2400 baud modem. The phrase "Updating artwork: plaese wait" still makes me twitch...
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show them the applications and they will come ... Riiiiiiight
Show them how Kword crashes every 5 minutes, how Abiword can't insert tables and graphs, and how StarOffice runs like a dog (provided the dog in question has three of it's feet embedded in concrete and is strung out on thorazine) and watch how fast they go scurrying back to MS Office. Office may be bloated, ugly, and unfree, but it's by far the better than any of the alternatives.
I'm sitting on a big campus network where there are literally thousands of mp3s shared over SMB. That's an alternative to napster right there. So is freenet, gnutella, and their ilk. Paying for music may be the only legal option, but it sure as hell isn't the only available option.
Yes, but by moving the CSS code, you also move the legal risk into the kernel. That IMHO is a grade-A Bad Idea. Judging by how the DeCSS case is going it wouldn't take long for the MPAA to get kernel.org taken down, Linus tossed in jail, and in the end, they would probably be awarded copyright of the whole kernel, (just to "teach those hackers a lesson").
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Uh, why not go after the company that makes the infringing fans instead of the companies that use them?
Because the infringing fans are likely made in Singapore, or some other country that doesn't give a rat's arse for patents. Going after Creative and nVidia allows them to sue under US patent law.
Microsoft is hardly dead. They still have 90%+ desktop OS market share, the best (sorry StarOffice) office suite, and IIS is still gaining on Apache. How can this possibly be mistaken for a dying company?
Sorry, Jon, you're way off on this one. MSFT stock may be in the toilet right now, but that doesn't mean they're about to shut down.
1: It's "modern" not "madern". And BTW, Halflife's plot is about as plausible as Jurassic Park 3.
2: Quake 2, Quake 3, Unreal and Unreal Tournament spring to mind
3: He said "first" not "only"
4: It shows, mac-ers at least make a logical argument instead of misspelled gibberish.
5: See #3. This was BLOODY AGES before Halflife.
6: DOOM was 256 color
7: Do you have any idea what Q2-lithium was? hint: It has nothing to do with hardware.
8: Learn how to use a break tag
Look at linuxconf (not that I like linuxconf, but it does what you're talking about)
If you run linuxconf from a tty, it uses a curses style text interface. If you run it from an xterm, it uses a GUI. All it does is check if $DISPLAY is set.
#99)
> However, Windows GUI, and applications that
> run under Windows GUIs all just *work*.
> When I click a button, it does the same
> thing everywhere.
Fair enough. Such GUI has been conceived for people who can't be bothered to exercise their free will and imagination, preferring to do as a higher authority has chosen the way they should do things.
As it happens, some of us do like to exercise our free will and imagination.
Wow, I heard this EXACT same argument applied to the Windows vs MacOS flamewar in about 1994. The windows zealots were on the other side then, of course...
And it would be legal for them to do so. The GPL only requires that you distribute the source if you distribute the binaries. They can keep their in-house changes secret so long as they aren't distributing binaries from the modified source. (which they wouldn't; we are talking about spies here)
Battletech (first published 1985) had the gauss rifle which is functionally the same as a railgun.
The scientific principles behind the railgun have been know a lot longer than that. So no, Id didn't invent the railgun.
If a parent leaves a loaded gun on a table and their young child kills himself or his sister, then the parent is certianly legaly responsible. How is this different?
Mostly because nobody fucking DIES when Yahoo or eBay goes down for a couple hours.
Yes you can yammer about how much DoS attacks and server downtime cost the economy, and make bad analogies about bank vaults guns, and Microsoft. You could act like not knowing the latest hole in BIND is more dangerous than driving an asbestos-insulated Yugo without seatbelts at 115 MPH through L.A. during rush hour while smoking unfiltered Camels, but it's not.
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IMHO Apple should be flattered that so many people like their GUI
They probably are, but flattery alone can't keep Steve Jobs in expensive suits and cheap hookers. Like it or not Apple is out to make money, and if mass-mailing cease-and-desist letters can force even one theme geek to buy a G4 cube, they probably come out ahead.
Besides look who this is pissing off: Windows themers and Linux zealots. These are the people who have been making fun of macs since 1988. It's not like they're alienating customers.
I'll tell you that those old-school apps don't rank above eye-candy shit.
The athena widget set (I assume that's the old-school traditional GUI elements you refer to) sucks. There's no way to tell the difference between a button and a popup menu except to click on it. If a menu has so many elements that it extends off the screen (try xfontsel on a 640x480 laptop) that's tough shit. You can't get the last few items in the menu. It looks, and feels like (and it probably was) designed by a hung-over MIT hacker 5 hours before his term project was due.
Businesses that rip off their customers by delivering broken product and not accepting returns quickly go out of business.
You mean like how microsoft is going out of business?
Bullshit. Businesses that don't make money go out of business. Businesses that rip off their customers can make a fortune if they are the only supplier for that product.
Nice to see that Canada applied a little common sense in making it's laws. Here in the US, listening in on cellular phones is illegal, as is modifying a radio to pick up cell phone signals. Still, there are a lot of radio enthusiasts who have modded scanners that can operate in the cell phone band.
Because the technology is being aligned to Dubya's morals. Remember, just because he was elected, that doesn't mean we're all protestant Christians who take the bible as literal truth.
From the article:
Ed Meese's Justice Department conducted an infamous series of raids on suspected hackers while repeatedly characterizing the Net as a haven for perverts and thieves.
How was this worse than Janet Reno's Justice department cracking down on suspected DoS kiddees implementing carnivore, raiding the home of a hacker in a foriegn country (the deCSS author) subjegating free speech to the financial intrests of the big media conglomerates, and characterizing the internet as a haven for vandals, perverts, and kids who shoot up schools?
Does Linux still have trouble scaling to more than 4 processors? I'm not trying to bait flamage, but I remember an article here a while back about how win2k blew linux away on SMP performance
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...DOTCOM, or should I say DOTGONE
Yup, they're going to end up on the dot-compost heap sooner or later.
Sorry, but one bad pun deserves another..
It's fair though. A net gain of $600,000 would still be considered "break even".
Actually, the whole thing about trademarking the protocol name is just silly
No joke. IIRC, If a company fails to act on a trademark infringment (i.e. sue the pants off the infringer), it loses the right to sue for further trademark infringment. Can someone explain how the SSH(tm) lawyers think they have a leg to stand on considering this "trademark" has been used as if it were public domain for YEARS now?
IANAL and other silly disclaimers apply...
>> I had a blazing 9600 modem
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You lucky punk! I used AOL v1.1 on my Mac Quadra over a 2400 baud modem. The phrase "Updating artwork: plaese wait" still makes me twitch...
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Now where do I get that t-shirt?
You can get them from copyleft.net.
For every DeCSS shirt they sell, $4 goes to the EFF. (note: this is NOT a goatsex link!)
show them the applications and they will come ... Riiiiiiight
Show them how Kword crashes every 5 minutes, how Abiword can't insert tables and graphs, and how StarOffice runs like a dog (provided the dog in question has three of it's feet embedded in concrete and is strung out on thorazine) and watch how fast they go scurrying back to MS Office. Office may be bloated, ugly, and unfree, but it's by far the better than any of the alternatives.
But still less dense than an A.C.
I'm sitting on a big campus network where there are literally thousands of mp3s shared over SMB. That's an alternative to napster right there. So is freenet, gnutella, and their ilk. Paying for music may be the only legal option, but it sure as hell isn't the only available option.
Yes, but by moving the CSS code, you also move the legal risk into the kernel. That IMHO is a grade-A Bad Idea. Judging by how the DeCSS case is going it wouldn't take long for the MPAA to get kernel.org taken down, Linus tossed in jail, and in the end, they would probably be awarded copyright of the whole kernel, (just to "teach those hackers a lesson").
Uh, why not go after the company that makes the infringing fans instead of the companies that use them?
Because the infringing fans are likely made in Singapore, or some other country that doesn't give a rat's arse for patents. Going after Creative and nVidia allows them to sue under US patent law.
Microsoft is hardly dead. They still have 90%+ desktop OS market share, the best (sorry StarOffice) office suite, and IIS is still gaining on Apache. How can this possibly be mistaken for a dying company?
Sorry, Jon, you're way off on this one. MSFT stock may be in the toilet right now, but that doesn't mean they're about to shut down.
1: It's "modern" not "madern". And BTW, Halflife's plot is about as plausible as Jurassic Park 3.
2: Quake 2, Quake 3, Unreal and Unreal Tournament spring to mind
3: He said "first" not "only"
4: It shows, mac-ers at least make a logical argument instead of misspelled gibberish.
5: See #3. This was BLOODY AGES before Halflife.
6: DOOM was 256 color
7: Do you have any idea what Q2-lithium was? hint: It has nothing to do with hardware.
8: Learn how to use a break tag
Look at linuxconf (not that I like linuxconf, but it does what you're talking about)
If you run linuxconf from a tty, it uses a curses style text interface. If you run it from an xterm, it uses a GUI. All it does is check if $DISPLAY is set.
#99)
> However, Windows GUI, and applications that
> run under Windows GUIs all just *work*.
> When I click a button, it does the same
> thing everywhere.
Fair enough. Such GUI has been conceived for people who can't be bothered to exercise their free will and imagination, preferring to do as a higher authority has chosen the way they should do things.
As it happens, some of us do like to exercise our free will and imagination.
Wow, I heard this EXACT same argument applied to the Windows vs MacOS flamewar in about 1994. The windows zealots were on the other side then, of course...
I would say that most /. users have never even seen mush less used TWM.
I used TWM on my slackware box just long enough to download and compile WindowMaker. Does that count?
And it would be legal for them to do so. The GPL only requires that you distribute the source if you distribute the binaries. They can keep their in-house changes secret so long as they aren't distributing binaries from the modified source. (which they wouldn't; we are talking about spies here)
You don't have to be a programmer to recognize ugly when you see it.
Battletech (first published 1985) had the gauss rifle which is functionally the same as a railgun.
The scientific principles behind the railgun have been know a lot longer than that. So no, Id didn't invent the railgun.
If a parent leaves a loaded gun on a table and their young child kills himself or his sister, then the parent is certianly legaly responsible. How is this different?
Mostly because nobody fucking DIES when Yahoo or eBay goes down for a couple hours.
Yes you can yammer about how much DoS attacks and server downtime cost the economy, and make bad analogies about bank vaults guns, and Microsoft. You could act like not knowing the latest hole in BIND is more dangerous than driving an asbestos-insulated Yugo without seatbelts at 115 MPH through L.A. during rush hour while smoking unfiltered Camels, but it's not.
User #227801 Info)
IMHO Apple should be flattered that so many people like their GUI
They probably are, but flattery alone can't keep Steve Jobs in expensive suits and cheap hookers. Like it or not Apple is out to make money, and if mass-mailing cease-and-desist letters can force even one theme geek to buy a G4 cube, they probably come out ahead.
Besides look who this is pissing off: Windows themers and Linux zealots. These are the people who have been making fun of macs since 1988. It's not like they're alienating customers.
I'll tell you that those old-school apps don't rank above eye-candy shit.
The athena widget set (I assume that's the old-school traditional GUI elements you refer to) sucks. There's no way to tell the difference between a button and a popup menu except to click on it. If a menu has so many elements that it extends off the screen (try xfontsel on a 640x480 laptop) that's tough shit. You can't get the last few items in the menu. It looks, and feels like (and it probably was) designed by a hung-over MIT hacker 5 hours before his term project was due.
Businesses that rip off their customers by delivering broken product and not accepting returns quickly go out of business.
You mean like how microsoft is going out of business?
Bullshit. Businesses that don't make money go out of business. Businesses that rip off their customers can make a fortune if they are the only supplier for that product.
Nice to see that Canada applied a little common sense in making it's laws. Here in the US, listening in on cellular phones is illegal, as is modifying a radio to pick up cell phone signals. Still, there are a lot of radio enthusiasts who have modded scanners that can operate in the cell phone band.
Because the technology is being aligned to Dubya's morals. Remember, just because he was elected, that doesn't mean we're all protestant Christians who take the bible as literal truth.
From the article:
Ed Meese's Justice Department conducted an infamous series of raids on suspected hackers while repeatedly characterizing the Net as a haven for perverts and thieves.
How was this worse than Janet Reno's Justice department cracking down on suspected DoS kiddees implementing carnivore, raiding the home of a hacker in a foriegn country (the deCSS author) subjegating free speech to the financial intrests of the big media conglomerates, and characterizing the internet as a haven for vandals, perverts, and kids who shoot up schools?
Does Linux still have trouble scaling to more than 4 processors? I'm not trying to bait flamage, but I remember an article here a while back about how win2k blew linux away on SMP performance