Are you thinking of FaceTime? That's the closest Apple equivalent to Skype, not iMessage.
No, I'm thinking of iMessage, a text messaging and file transfer app. Skype also does what FaceTime does, but that does not diminish the text messaging and file transfer functions. Skype also does voice-only calls, something FaceTime and iMessage both lack, or at least lacked last time I checked. But, again, that doesn't diminish Skype's text messaging and file transfer functions. I also mentioned (gag) AIM, but you ignored that for some reason.
So you could always text somebody on an Android phone from an iPhone using the messages app.
And if they're in front of, say, a PC or Android tablet instead of their phone? If you want to ensure they get the message, you have to send it over IMessage *and* whatever other platform they use (most likely Skype or AIM). Or, you could skip iMessage and just send it on the other platform, which they'll likely have installed on their PC, tablet, and phone, so they'll get it wherever they are without you having to send it twice.
That's precisely the scenario I talked about in my initial post, and it's precisely why my die-hard Apple friends have abandoned iMessage (and Messages on their Macs and iPads) as unreliable.
If somebody with an iPhone wasn't able to text you on your android phone it could be because that in their contacts they had an email address or something associated with an iCloud account you had and Messages was using that to send the message rather than your phone number.
If you think that's the problem I was talking about, you grossly misunderstand what I wrote. Hopefully the explanation above will clarify that; if not, please go read my initial post again.
In the past, someone trying to send an IM to your android phone using messages on OS X wouldn't work. But then a couple of years ago, Apple added a new feature called "SMS relay" to the iPhone that lets it forward messages from OS X over SMS to people on non Apple devices. The catch is that the iPhone has to be on the same wifi network as the mac for that to work.
So, from my MacBook Pro, it actually still doesn't work, as I'm an Android user. Yes, though, this feature does seem to work well enough for my wife.
I won't even attempt to disagree with this. What you just said essentially boils down to "A large part of Apple's customer demographic are ignorant and have hugely inflated egos. The rest recognize that the only real feature of iOS is that it allows them to talk to the first group." My only question, then, is: Why i nthe world would the latter group want to associate with the former?
That's not quite the same... In the end, it may serve the same purpose but, then, can you do that from a Mac or iPad if you're not also an iPhone user? Last time I checked, the SMS gateway feature was only available on the iPhone; at least, it doesn't work for me on my Mac or iPad as an Android user. It works for my wife, but then she's an iPhone user. Also, can you reply to and participate in group chats that way?
It's not functionally equivalent as, say, Skype would be.
When are you going to stop piling on more shit and apologize for the earlier deadly insult?
Persistently calling my a liar and an MRA is extremely insulting. I attempted to make amends earlier and you made it clear you wanted no part of it by continuing to insult me. Perhaps I'll stop when you do, but at this point you'll get no apologies from me.
You keep on going on and on about Kool-aid and the "drank the Kool-aid" Jim Jones meme as if it's important instead of just calling it a drug in a drink.
I'm not referencing a meme, it was literal kool-aid, thus why I said "literally". It's an important distinction when you try to twist it into a "dunken mishap", as no alcohol was involved. That said, if a woman can claim rape when a man sleeps with her when she's drunk, even if she drunkenly consents, why does the same not apply to a man? How could you even make that argument (which, I'll remind you, you did make a couple posts ago)? If there is a situation in which a woman's consent doesn't matter, a man's consent should also not matter in that same situation. That's not men's rights, mind you; that's equality.
your victim card was not relevant
If you completely ignore the post I was initially replying to, perhaps. I'm not even going to argue your point in referring to what happened to me as a "victim card" as I see that this is futile and your immature mind (sad at your age) simply won't change.
you have not fooled me for a second
You're doing a good enough job of that yourself. I'm simply relaying the facts of what happened to me, you can keep believing that I'm lying but you need to keep that shit to yourself. Seriously.
to avoid criticism for your evil shit
What evil shit? Speaking the truth about past events in my life? If you want to see some truly evil shit, step back and look at how you're attacking someone for openly and honestly discussing very real, very serious, and, honestly, very embarrassing events from their past. It takes balls to stand up and do what I'm doing; it takes a very evil heart and mind to attack someone who does so.
"they all cry wolf"
Oh, fucking bloody hell, this again? You're the only one who's claimed that here. It's getting really fucking old at this point.
It's all up there above.
Yes, it is.
You've held up well crafted anecdotes possibly related to your own life
E.g. facts relating to actual events.
as an example of how it's normal for women to cry rape when there was not one.
Fucking hell, I never claimed that. I've stated, bluntly, several times, that I do not think this. It doesn't have to be common (e.g. normal) to be a problem. Take cancer as an example; not all that common, but definitely a problem.
Then a lot of whining
From you.
pretended misunderstanding
You're blatantly ignoring words that I'm saying which are literally the opposite of what you're claiming them to be. You're either misunderstanding or outright lying with malicious intent.
personal attacks
From both sides, mind you. Don't play all high and mighty, here.
a deadly insult
Yes, one from me and several, persistently repeated, from you.
and even hiding behind your wife FFS!
No, she actually called you a cunt; I only relayed it because I don't disagree. What I didn't say earlier is that it was she who first planted the idea of you as a rapist. I wrote it off at first, but your quick dismissal of rape and rape accusations lead me to consider it more seriously.
Not letting them carry didn't exactly save any lives now, did it?
Perhaps the proliferation of guns is less of an issue than the lack of respect for others in this country; even France has more gun deaths (and mass-shootings) per-capita than the US, despite it being exceedingly difficult to legally buy a gun in France. Contrast with Japan, where it's equally difficult to buy a gun and there's practically no gun crime. As evident by the situation in France, the gun laws are ineffective. The primary cultural difference between France and Japan is that Japan's culture places a very high value on respect.
We don't have that here, and I doubt we ever will, criminals already have guns, and only non-criminals would ever give them up if "required" to, so a gun ban would make us worse off than France, while increased incidence of defensive carry of firearms might disincentivise much of the gun-related crime criminals currently view as low risk.
Welcome to MY world! I have had my Karma go from Excellent to Poor in one day, THREE TIMES since I joined/. in 2004.
I had an APK sockpuppet army take me down from Excellent to Poor in an hour a few months back. I recovered in 2 days. Not gonna cry over it:)
But I do blame you for this. Not because I think you had anything to do with actually modding me down, but because you suggested people mod me up.
I'm only half joking. Sadly, the mere suggestion of how people should moderate often tends to make them do exactly the opposite. It's all good, though; I know you meant no harm.
What kills me (hopefully not literally) is that every cop I talk to, even local cops in my city, tells me they wish more people would carry since they can't be everywhere to prevent crimes before the occur. My point about the local cops is that my county has a shall-not-grant policy on CCW permits, it is very difficult to legally carry where I live.
"Stop or I'll shoot!" is precisely what cops want us to be able to say to criminals. At least, cops who have to interact with the public on a regular basis. Apparently a county sheriff doesn't feel the same way.
Oh, and my MacBook was sitting next to me, it did catch some "shrapnel". You can feel bad now.:P
You are suggesting it's Apple's fault that PCs and Android tablets do not have cellular radios?
No, merely pointing out that iMessage being able to send SMS messages does not fit the cross-platform communication scenario I mentioned in my original post.
Further, all Apple computers lack cellular radios, some PCs and Android tablets do include cellular radios, just as some iPads do. Much like an iPad, as they are data devices that do not connect to the voice network over which SMS are sent, those PCs and Android devices can not receive SMS.
In what way is this a failing of iMessage?
In comparison to something like Skype, or even AIM, it's a massive failing in that you are limited by the platform itself in who you can communicate with, and how; some people you may want to message can't even install an app to allow you to do so.
As I said:
My experience has been
That's first hand experience, not just a guess. Back when my primary machine was a Mac and my secondary was an iPad, a lot of my friends used to chat with me via iMessage. As I had an Android phone and that's what was always with me, even if I wasn't at my Mac or iPad, they began getting frustrated when they'd send me a message via iMessage and I wouldn't get it for hours. Mind you, they weren't frustrated with me and didn't avoid chatting with me because of it; instead, they unilaterally switched to using Skype. Even when communicating with each other, even when all parties in a given conversation used only Apple devices.
My experience may or may not be typical, but it is my experience. My entire group of friends, many of whom use only apple products, have abandoned iMessage; many of their friends who are not in my circle have done the same, and I'm sure it's cascaded from there.
My experience has been that iOS users who have friends with non-iOS devices tend to migrate away from iMessage after a while, in favor of something they can talk to all of their friends on. This seems to happen faster when one or more of their friends has a mix of iOS and Android devices coupled with one or more non-Mac computers, as iMessage becomes an unreliable[1] means of communicating with them relative to, well, practically anything else.
[1] Are they near their iPad? Did they see my message? Maybe I should just Skype them. Why did I bother with iMessage in the first place when it's only on one of the four devices they could be currently checking?
If venue staff had been armed they could have taken this guy down fairly easily. It's not like he was rapid-firing, he averaged a shot every 2 minutes for 3 hours. Likewise if patrons had been armed, even if only a few. But no, this was a "gun free zone". How well did that work out?
UPDATE: February 4, 2016. If only by excellent police work and some luck, last November Paris was literally just three days away from several more mass public shootings planned for a nursery school, a shopping mall, and a police station.
France takes 3rd place in per-capita gun deaths, at 0.347 per million, while the US takes 11th at 0.089 per million. Francs takes 11th place in frequency of mass shootings at 0.092 per million people, while the US takes 12th at 0.078 per million.
I'm too lazy to research this one so I'll just go with it. I got my definition from the very youtuber I mentioned earlier, perhaps not the most reliable of sources.
As an aside, have you noticed that my original comment shot up to +5 and now sits at 0? Gotta love argumentum per viam modum. Ah, well, I have karma to burn.
An assault rifle is a real thing. It's not what the media applies the label to, but it is a real thing. A fully automatic military rifle is an assault rifle. What was used in Orlando was not that.
You don't correct incorrect usage of a term by not using the term yourself and allowing others to continue using it incorrectly; you correct it by using it correctly yourself and correcting others when you hear them use it incorrectly.
I thought you, of all people, would be on board with that concept.
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Are you thinking of FaceTime? That's the closest Apple equivalent to Skype, not iMessage.
No, I'm thinking of iMessage, a text messaging and file transfer app. Skype also does what FaceTime does, but that does not diminish the text messaging and file transfer functions. Skype also does voice-only calls, something FaceTime and iMessage both lack, or at least lacked last time I checked. But, again, that doesn't diminish Skype's text messaging and file transfer functions. I also mentioned (gag) AIM, but you ignored that for some reason.
So you could always text somebody on an Android phone from an iPhone using the messages app.
And if they're in front of, say, a PC or Android tablet instead of their phone? If you want to ensure they get the message, you have to send it over IMessage *and* whatever other platform they use (most likely Skype or AIM). Or, you could skip iMessage and just send it on the other platform, which they'll likely have installed on their PC, tablet, and phone, so they'll get it wherever they are without you having to send it twice.
That's precisely the scenario I talked about in my initial post, and it's precisely why my die-hard Apple friends have abandoned iMessage (and Messages on their Macs and iPads) as unreliable.
If somebody with an iPhone wasn't able to text you on your android phone it could be because that in their contacts they had an email address or something associated with an iCloud account you had and Messages was using that to send the message rather than your phone number.
If you think that's the problem I was talking about, you grossly misunderstand what I wrote. Hopefully the explanation above will clarify that; if not, please go read my initial post again.
In the past, someone trying to send an IM to your android phone using messages on OS X wouldn't work. But then a couple of years ago, Apple added a new feature called "SMS relay" to the iPhone that lets it forward messages from OS X over SMS to people on non Apple devices. The catch is that the iPhone has to be on the same wifi network as the mac for that to work.
So, from my MacBook Pro, it actually still doesn't work, as I'm an Android user. Yes, though, this feature does seem to work well enough for my wife.
I won't even attempt to disagree with this. What you just said essentially boils down to "A large part of Apple's customer demographic are ignorant and have hugely inflated egos. The rest recognize that the only real feature of iOS is that it allows them to talk to the first group." My only question, then, is: Why i nthe world would the latter group want to associate with the former?
That's not quite the same... In the end, it may serve the same purpose but, then, can you do that from a Mac or iPad if you're not also an iPhone user? Last time I checked, the SMS gateway feature was only available on the iPhone; at least, it doesn't work for me on my Mac or iPad as an Android user. It works for my wife, but then she's an iPhone user. Also, can you reply to and participate in group chats that way?
It's not functionally equivalent as, say, Skype would be.
When are you going to stop piling on more shit and apologize for the earlier deadly insult?
Persistently calling my a liar and an MRA is extremely insulting. I attempted to make amends earlier and you made it clear you wanted no part of it by continuing to insult me. Perhaps I'll stop when you do, but at this point you'll get no apologies from me.
You keep on going on and on about Kool-aid and the "drank the Kool-aid" Jim Jones meme as if it's important instead of just calling it a drug in a drink.
I'm not referencing a meme, it was literal kool-aid, thus why I said "literally". It's an important distinction when you try to twist it into a "dunken mishap", as no alcohol was involved. That said, if a woman can claim rape when a man sleeps with her when she's drunk, even if she drunkenly consents, why does the same not apply to a man? How could you even make that argument (which, I'll remind you, you did make a couple posts ago)? If there is a situation in which a woman's consent doesn't matter, a man's consent should also not matter in that same situation. That's not men's rights, mind you; that's equality.
your victim card was not relevant
If you completely ignore the post I was initially replying to, perhaps. I'm not even going to argue your point in referring to what happened to me as a "victim card" as I see that this is futile and your immature mind (sad at your age) simply won't change.
you have not fooled me for a second
You're doing a good enough job of that yourself. I'm simply relaying the facts of what happened to me, you can keep believing that I'm lying but you need to keep that shit to yourself. Seriously.
to avoid criticism for your evil shit
What evil shit? Speaking the truth about past events in my life? If you want to see some truly evil shit, step back and look at how you're attacking someone for openly and honestly discussing very real, very serious, and, honestly, very embarrassing events from their past. It takes balls to stand up and do what I'm doing; it takes a very evil heart and mind to attack someone who does so.
"they all cry wolf"
Oh, fucking bloody hell, this again? You're the only one who's claimed that here. It's getting really fucking old at this point.
It's all up there above.
Yes, it is.
You've held up well crafted anecdotes possibly related to your own life
E.g. facts relating to actual events.
as an example of how it's normal for women to cry rape when there was not one.
Fucking hell, I never claimed that. I've stated, bluntly, several times, that I do not think this. It doesn't have to be common (e.g. normal) to be a problem. Take cancer as an example; not all that common, but definitely a problem.
Then a lot of whining
From you.
pretended misunderstanding
You're blatantly ignoring words that I'm saying which are literally the opposite of what you're claiming them to be. You're either misunderstanding or outright lying with malicious intent.
personal attacks
From both sides, mind you. Don't play all high and mighty, here.
a deadly insult
Yes, one from me and several, persistently repeated, from you.
and even hiding behind your wife FFS!
No, she actually called you a cunt; I only relayed it because I don't disagree. What I didn't say earlier is that it was she who first planted the idea of you as a rapist. I wrote it off at first, but your quick dismissal of rape and rape accusations lead me to consider it more seriously.
Is this really the person you wanted to be?
One who speaks t
Like a PC, for example?
Interesting. As for tablets? Or something in wide enough use to be relevant in a discussion of iMessage versus cross-platform messaging options?
Still waiting for someone to show me a PC or Android tablet that can receive SMS. Or an iPad, for that matter.
And iPads? Since, you know, that's what was insinuated in the post I was replying to. Mine sure cant.
You can iMessage my PC and Android tablet?
Can you provide an example of at least one that actually can? I've never seen it, despite having looked some years ago when SMS was all the rage.
Some do, actually, as do some iPads. None of them can receive SMS. At least, my iPad Pro 9.7" can't on the T-Mobile network.
Not letting them carry didn't exactly save any lives now, did it?
Perhaps the proliferation of guns is less of an issue than the lack of respect for others in this country; even France has more gun deaths (and mass-shootings) per-capita than the US, despite it being exceedingly difficult to legally buy a gun in France. Contrast with Japan, where it's equally difficult to buy a gun and there's practically no gun crime. As evident by the situation in France, the gun laws are ineffective. The primary cultural difference between France and Japan is that Japan's culture places a very high value on respect.
We don't have that here, and I doubt we ever will, criminals already have guns, and only non-criminals would ever give them up if "required" to, so a gun ban would make us worse off than France, while increased incidence of defensive carry of firearms might disincentivise much of the gun-related crime criminals currently view as low risk.
Welcome to MY world! I have had my Karma go from Excellent to Poor in one day, THREE TIMES since I joined /. in 2004.
I had an APK sockpuppet army take me down from Excellent to Poor in an hour a few months back. I recovered in 2 days. Not gonna cry over it :)
;)
But I do blame you for this. Not because I think you had anything to do with actually modding me down, but because you suggested people mod me up.
I'm only half joking. Sadly, the mere suggestion of how people should moderate often tends to make them do exactly the opposite. It's all good, though; I know you meant no harm.
Or did you?
What kills me (hopefully not literally) is that every cop I talk to, even local cops in my city, tells me they wish more people would carry since they can't be everywhere to prevent crimes before the occur. My point about the local cops is that my county has a shall-not-grant policy on CCW permits, it is very difficult to legally carry where I live.
:P
"Stop or I'll shoot!" is precisely what cops want us to be able to say to criminals. At least, cops who have to interact with the public on a regular basis. Apparently a county sheriff doesn't feel the same way.
Oh, and my MacBook was sitting next to me, it did catch some "shrapnel". You can feel bad now.
You are suggesting it's Apple's fault that PCs and Android tablets do not have cellular radios?
No, merely pointing out that iMessage being able to send SMS messages does not fit the cross-platform communication scenario I mentioned in my original post.
Further, all Apple computers lack cellular radios, some PCs and Android tablets do include cellular radios, just as some iPads do. Much like an iPad, as they are data devices that do not connect to the voice network over which SMS are sent, those PCs and Android devices can not receive SMS.
In what way is this a failing of iMessage?
In comparison to something like Skype, or even AIM, it's a massive failing in that you are limited by the platform itself in who you can communicate with, and how; some people you may want to message can't even install an app to allow you to do so.
As I said:
My experience has been
That's first hand experience, not just a guess. Back when my primary machine was a Mac and my secondary was an iPad, a lot of my friends used to chat with me via iMessage. As I had an Android phone and that's what was always with me, even if I wasn't at my Mac or iPad, they began getting frustrated when they'd send me a message via iMessage and I wouldn't get it for hours. Mind you, they weren't frustrated with me and didn't avoid chatting with me because of it; instead, they unilaterally switched to using Skype. Even when communicating with each other, even when all parties in a given conversation used only Apple devices.
My experience may or may not be typical, but it is my experience. My entire group of friends, many of whom use only apple products, have abandoned iMessage; many of their friends who are not in my circle have done the same, and I'm sure it's cascaded from there.
a mix of iOS and Android devices coupled with one or more non-Mac computers
My experience has been that iOS users who have friends with non-iOS devices tend to migrate away from iMessage after a while, in favor of something they can talk to all of their friends on. This seems to happen faster when one or more of their friends has a mix of iOS and Android devices coupled with one or more non-Mac computers, as iMessage becomes an unreliable[1] means of communicating with them relative to, well, practically anything else.
[1] Are they near their iPad? Did they see my message? Maybe I should just Skype them. Why did I bother with iMessage in the first place when it's only on one of the four devices they could be currently checking?
If venue staff had been armed they could have taken this guy down fairly easily. It's not like he was rapid-firing, he averaged a shot every 2 minutes for 3 hours. Likewise if patrons had been armed, even if only a few. But no, this was a "gun free zone". How well did that work out?
I'm sure someone could have stopped him sometime in the 3 hours it took him to shoot just over 100 people.
Eh... "Francs" was a typo, not a deliberate slur.
t's difficult to get a gun in France so there are dramatically fewer mass-shootings per capita in France compared to the USA.
Really?
UPDATE: February 4, 2016. If only by excellent police work and some luck, last November Paris was literally just three days away from several more mass public shootings planned for a nursery school, a shopping mall, and a police station.
I think you're wrong.
France takes 3rd place in per-capita gun deaths, at 0.347 per million, while the US takes 11th at 0.089 per million. Francs takes 11th place in frequency of mass shootings at 0.092 per million people, while the US takes 12th at 0.078 per million.
Care to re-roll?
Damnit, just when I was starting to like you again you make me spit coffee all over my laptop.
I'm too lazy to research this one so I'll just go with it. I got my definition from the very youtuber I mentioned earlier, perhaps not the most reliable of sources.
As an aside, have you noticed that my original comment shot up to +5 and now sits at 0? Gotta love argumentum per viam modum. Ah, well, I have karma to burn.
So he'd have been able to buy a gun even if they were more restricted.
Yes, let's add more restriction, then, because that would totally have prevented this.
An assault rifle is a real thing. It's not what the media applies the label to, but it is a real thing. A fully automatic military rifle is an assault rifle. What was used in Orlando was not that.
You don't correct incorrect usage of a term by not using the term yourself and allowing others to continue using it incorrectly; you correct it by using it correctly yourself and correcting others when you hear them use it incorrectly.
I thought you, of all people, would be on board with that concept.