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Apple Explains Why iMessage Isn't Coming To Android (networkworld.com)
An anonymous reader quotes a report from Network World: Ahead of Apple's WWDC keynote this year, one of the more bizarre and sketchy rumors we saw take shape claimed that Apple was planning to deliver iMessage to Android. As is typically the case, the rumor mill took this somewhat ridiculous rumor and ran with it. The only problem is that some people were so busy trying to figure out the ramifications of iMessage hitting Android that they didn't take a step back and try and figure out if this is something Apple would even contemplate in the first place. Remember, every move Apple makes is strategic and geared towards making more money, either via device sales or software. That being the case, iMessage on Android would not only be a free app, but it would also eliminate a user-experience advantage of iOS. Interestingly enough, Walt Mossberg of The Verge asked a senior Apple executive about the rumor whereupon the nameless executive all but indicated that iMessage will never be coming to Android. Walt Mossberg writes: "First, he said, Apple considers its own user base of 1 billion active devices to provide a large enough data set for any possible AI learning the company is working on. And, second, having a superior messaging platform that only worked on Apple devices would help sales of those device -- the company's classic (and successful) rationale for years."
My experience has been that iOS users who have friends with non-iOS devices tend to migrate away from iMessage after a while, in favor of something they can talk to all of their friends on. This seems to happen faster when one or more of their friends has a mix of iOS and Android devices coupled with one or more non-Mac computers, as iMessage becomes an unreliable[1] means of communicating with them relative to, well, practically anything else.
[1] Are they near their iPad? Did they see my message? Maybe I should just Skype them. Why did I bother with iMessage in the first place when it's only on one of the four devices they could be currently checking?
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and make the compatible app. Any attempt by Apfel to crack down would only hurt iUsers.
You should never use a messaging method under the control of one company.
Yes, because we need another, even less convenient way to send a message containing some combination of unicode text and binary data from one device to another, like we don't already have Email or a bajillion other IM clients. SMS is lame enough. Fancy, fruit-exclusive SMS is better how, exactly?
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Hangouts.
Does basically the same thing. Works on both platforms.
See, I rock it oldschool with my messaging. Open protocols, choice of clients, ability to write you own client if you want, extensible, not locked into any one vendor's ecosystem, and most importantly, ability to communicate with people not in that vendor's ecosystem.
That's what we had - past tense. Like anything it wasn't perfect, and needed some modernization and so forth, which it could have gotten.... except that we threw the concepts of my first paragraph the fuck out. Somehow, almost overnight it seems, everyone suddenly said, "HEY! It would be a swell idea if we had a metric shitton of non-interoperating messenger apps, all closed up, no choice, no nothing, controlled by a single vendor! This is gonna rock!"
And then everybody else went, "Fuck YEAH!!!"
And now here we are.
What the fuck was that about anyway? Is this one of those things that happens when you get old, when you stop having even the dimmest comprehension of why all the cool kids think the latest hot trend is a great idea? Is it like those baggy pants that were the rage for a while? Because I didn't understand those either.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't iMessage introduced (as in announced in a keynote or other iPhone event) to be an open protocol? So anyone could play? How was that swept under the rug.
And on top of that, at least two thirds of them exist to let somebody in the middle scrape everything you say to profile you.
And most of them that come from the phone world don't talk to PCs and vice versa.
As for why? I think it's just that people use whatever they see their friends using. There's no thinking involved: it's simple herd behaviour.
What the fuck was that about anyway?
Money. It was about money, and advertising (the usualy source of the money). If you controlled the network and the client, you could monetize it.
They can keep it!
He's calling iMessage a superior messaging platform. Is heroine legal in his state? Simple medical pot won't explain this.
They should make it so when you call non-iPhone phones the quality is worse. That would really make iPhone the best platform and experience for the 1 billion users!
Money and advertising and control, yes... but still, people have to use it.
There were better choices. XMPP had some limitations yes (like end to end crypto being hard) but it could have grown up to become what the GP was wanting. Certainly by this juncture if real open standards had been chosen by the masses, we could have had easy PC/phone interoperability, multiple clients to cater to different user preferences, non-datamined (!), end to end encrypted (!), non-centrally controlled messaging. Where one company wouldn't have the power to decide if it appears on some other platform.
But you could build exactly that today and nobody would come.
What is iMessage? The summary doesn't say.
Since iMessage is baked into the text-messaging app and there is no "sign-up" process other then logging into the apple account during setup, most people have no idea that they are using iMessage or what the difference between a blue or a green conversation box actually means. About the only time most Apple users learn of imessage is when they switch to an android device without disabling iMessage or resetting their iPhone and end up not receiving messages from other iPhone users.
The latest version of iMessage clearly has access to various iOS APIs. It runs mini-Swift applications with animation, forms, and other stuff. It reaches into the host OS to provide its flashy, whiz-bang features.
How could Apple possibly port that to Android without also porting chunks of iOS?
Was someone actually expecting Apple to bring iMessage to Android? It wasn't that Rob Enderle idiot again, was it? Didn't we all agree to just ignore him and hope that he'd go away?
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1) Layman know fuck all about importance of open standard, they just care about ability to show the latest titty emoticon on their message. 2) We nerd know why proprietary standard suck ass, but all our friend, family, colleague use that titty_emoticon_IM. We sigh and painfully migrate all our contact from old IRC/ICQ/MSN/whatever to that titty_emoticon_IM. 3) 5 years later, next gen kids think titty_emoticon_IM are for grannies, and penis_emoticon_IM rulz. Go back to step (1) Thats why we can never have good thing.
1) Layman know fuck all about importance of open standard, they just care about ability to show the latest titty emoticon on their message.
2) We nerd know why proprietary standard suck ass, but all our friend, family, colleague use that titty_emoticon_IM.
We sigh and painfully migrate all our contact from old IRC/ICQ/MSN/whatever to that titty_emoticon_IM.
3) 5 years later, next gen kids think titty_emoticon_IM are for grannies, and penis_emoticon_IM rulz. Go back to step (1)
Thats why we can never have good thing.
'Nuff Said!
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You don't put a BMW transmission into a 2000 Oldsmobile. If you don't minding losing 20% of your texts - stick with android as I tested it for a week. As for the rumor? taht's how apple weeds out the corporate traitors.
Isn't that what they say everytime before they do the thing?
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and iTunes and my kid would want an Android. She could live without iTunes (there are alternatives) but iMessage is practically a social network. Also at the risk of getting modded down for suggesting it it's a social network of well off people (iPhones being expensive and all) and it encourages her to associate with people of a certain social standing. That's pretty messed up, but I remember some of the trouble hanging out with shall we say, less affluent, kids got me into when I was young. I wouldn't mind keeping her away from all that.
So yeah, there's a lot of lock in that comes with iMessage.
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All I want is to be able to send messages longer than 160 characters to Android users without the messages being chopped up and receiving the pieces of the message out of order. It's annoying, this is 2016 for christ's sake. Apple's doesn't have to provide Android devices with a full featured iMessages application, just basic texting (with no character limit) and unified emojis would be sufficient.
So far, nothing beats BBM.
What is this supposed "user-experience advantage" of iMessage? I sure can't figure it out. The first thing I do when my employer gives me a new iPhone is turn off iMessage, because it has caused me plenty of trouble and I have never knowingly seen one single solitary benefit from it.
I do a lot of international travel, keeping data roaming turned off, and knew nothing of iMessage when I got my first iPhone. It took me forever to figure out why text messages to and from certain people always seemed to be delayed. One day I turned on international data roaming to check for an urgent work email and instantly a slew of old text messages came through, followed by an alert from my carrier that I'd just spent 25 euros in roaming fees. I eventually figured out it was all down to iMessage, and the people whose texts were delayed were all iPhone users, so oddly enough it was Apple's "user-experience advantage" that cost me 25 euros and blocked messages to other iPhone users while allowing messages to non-iPhone users to pass unmolested....
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Shutting down free speech with violence isn't fighting fascism. It IS fascism!
Apple other than iTunes does not migrate it's core systems to other platforms. Unless it feels it adds to its branding power and does not hurt it's own internal branding. iTunes was a needed evil as the iPod and then iPhone took off in sales. Apple realized not everyone would buy a Mac to sync with a "I" device.
But let's be clear you can still message people who don't have Apple device. Obviously some added features are there for iMessage communication. But it would be unlikely Apple would simple port iMessage to devices like Android. This would affect sales of iPhone's in a negative way and would not really have much benefit to Apple or it's customer base.
Run their software on windows.
Theres a SMS send and receive app.
Bazinga - your just blind
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It appeals to people who either want exclusivity (mostly kids bullying those who aren't part of the hipster club) and people who don't know any better.
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Because in the US texts were crazy-expensive and data was stupid-cheap, meaning that creating a shadow-network to replace SMS messages with something else was a legitimate user benefit.
In response the US carriers stopped with the text shenanigans and now it isn't.
Which leaves modern iMessage absolutely worthless while causing the exact problems you mentioned.
*Not* being able to communicate with people outside the iOS user base is a user experience advantage?
This is one thing MS is getting right that Apple is doing wrong. MS aims to have cortana control and sync all discrete services by having its cortana app actually manage the device and its notifications. Apple will just be under that umbrella. Google on the other hand is allowing their apps and services on all devices, allowing the user experience to live everywhere.
Apple will just be overwhelmed or niche, unless they can somehow get a killer app or killer hardware that everyone else needs to catch up on. This is why everyone uses hangouts or slack/irc
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The problem with Imessage is that it can't be tracked and recorded - for Government users, freedom of information and sunshine laws make this unacceptable. The only way to ensure compliance for Govt organizations is to manage the devices and disable imessage functionality.
What the fuck does that mean?
no matter how many pretend hissy fits between beijing and apple they are still in bed together.
apple pays about a handful of rice to produce an iphone gpu in china. even worse is their ceo is a buttfucker and vice versa.
the problem is that some of us do use and even promote titty_emoticon_IM
I have friends with various mobile platforms. Some of them have switched to or from iPhones to Android or even Windows phones. Because of this, I almost never use iMessage any more. The natural tendency has been for *everybody* to rely more and more on messaging apps that are cross-platform, i.e. Whatsapp and less-so LINE. In part because group chats are common. Here in Asia, whatsapp, with its end-to-end encryption, delivery notifications, and the ability to send pictures, audio clips etc. Has become the de-facto secure messaging system to replace fax in a way that e-mail has failed. No platform-specific system, iMessage included, will ever achieve this.
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iMessage *could* be fixed. If Apple would make messages go to every device that's signed on under that account and send it via SMS (and have the system throw out duplicates if needed), it could be decent.
But instead ... it only goes to one device, which may or may not be the one they're using. (Or maybe it won't even go to that one device.)
So ... ultimately, if you want to make sure that they get your message, you need to turn off iMessage, or at least not use anything that uses it.
Personally, I'm surprised that Apple screwed this up so badly and left it that way -- but yet, here we are.
No, iMessage goes to every device that supports it. I have 3 Macs, one iPad and one iPhone. All iMessages (and SMSes) goes to every device and I can send iMessages (and SMS) from every device.
If you are a current iOS user, it's easy to try a boatload of Google apps. Like what you see? You can get the full experience for your next phone, keep accessing lifetime of your photos for free and have a wide choice of form factors and special features like waterproof devices.
If you are among the current majority of users in US and worldwide with an Android phone - why even think about Apple? It's not like you can try out iMessage on your Windows 10 tablet or Android phone, fall in love with quality and look for more from the creator. Easier to just standardize on Facebook messenger or whatsapp.
..say the far more numerous Android users worldwide that are quite happy with what they have.