Well, in order to lie consistently, I'd have to be lying in the first place. That's a pretty strong accusation and you seem pretty damn sure of yourself for someone who couldn't be more off base.
Wow, you haven't read most of my posts in this thread, then... or at least, failed to comprehend them. I clarified in the reply I just made to your other post; if you don't get it after reading that, you're simply being willfully ignorant in order to support your position, which, by the way, doesn't work. Ever.
And I don't run around staring at my drink at all times. I keep an eye on it for the 5 minutes, tops, that it is in my hand, until I'm done drinking it. When I'm in a bar or club, or a setting where I don't have another trusted individual available to keep an eye on it if I happen to walk away. Someone with PTSD about being drugged and raped would act as you describe, but that is not me, my friend. Thank you for finally explaining where you were coming from so I could clear that up; was that so hard?
You still haven't stated the basis for your claim. How have I "clearly shown" that I have PTSD? Explain, please; your repeated failure to do so is a strong indicator that you are, in fact, trolling. As for karma? I've done my fair share of trolling on here, as well, and have maintained Excellent karma for the entirety of my time here; in fact, when karma had a number assigned to it, mine was among the top of the list. Karma means absolutely jack shit on this site, which you should know, having been here so much longer than me (in reality, I've been here since 97, posting anonymously until I decided it was time to sign up in 2007, but I digress).
Only an idiot would resort to name calling without first being called names.
I can tell you with a high level of certainty that I was not traumatized by the event; therefore, there is not post-trauma, which means no post traumatic stress to cause such a disorder. I don't babysit my drinks around close firends because, as I said, if one of them wanted to drug me, they have easier ways; and I don't fear that they would want to drug me, anyway. I do keep an eye on my drinks at a bar or club, and don't drink it if it's been out of my sight - that's just being safe - and it doesn't hinder my ability to enjoy a night out, as I don't nurse my drinks; rather, I fucking drink them, then they're gone and I don't have to keep an eye on them.
No PTSD here, sorry. You're the only person who seems to disagree.
So, then, what was your basis for being so insistent that I suffer from PTSD and must, with such urgency, get help? I've asked multiple times, now, but you can't seem to dig up an answer. Your posting history reveals precisely what I suspected from the start (I avoided taking a look earlier because I was entertained in either case, but now you're just being ridiculous)... not even a good troll, either.
Now that it's out, if you want to talk about it, feel free to email me and we can set up a more appropriate venue for such a discussion. I've dealt with mine, I actually got over it fairly quickly; there are only a handful of people who know what happened... and how I found out about it, which is honestly the worst part, but also a detail too private to discuss here.
Really? "You have PTSD" sure sounds like a diagnosis. "I think you have PTSD" or "go talk to a shrink, you may have PTSD" not so much, but "you have PTSD", yes, sounds like you're trying to diagnose, here. Perhaps I'm not the one who fails to understand the English language, friend?
Again, that's of reported incidents. It's also been said that women are 5x more likely to report a rape than men, particularly if their attacker was female. Again, this is a societal issue, as men are simply brought up to be ashamed of such a situation and, therefore, do not report it. If it's unreported, you don't know about it, so your statistics aren't just from 2010, they're severely skewed. And the article you're using as a (3rd hand) source is actually trying to support my position, if you read the words around the numbers you're failing to see are meaningless. It's pointing out how meaningless those numbers actually are. Try looking for the CDC's numbers, first-hand data, rather than an article that's making the complete opposite point you're trying to make. Yes, I've read that article; how do you think I recognize that you, in fact, only skimmed it for numbers?
Yes, and reported statistics are *so* helpful in comparing reported vs. non-reported incidents, and stalking (typically a guy stalking a guy is planning an attack or a robbery, not a rape) is soooooo relevant, right? Nope. Show me some statistics on un-reported rape. Don't have any? Wonder why. It's a fact, men are brought up in this society to own the image of strength and reporting that they were raped goes against that, while women are raised to protect themselves at any cost; because of this, most women will report a rape whether it happened or not, most men won't, even if it did. I'm not judging the genders, just making a societal observation, because this is a societal problem caused by... well... society.
First of all, that is based off of 4 year old data. Second, the article you ripped that from is quoted out of context and improperly emphasized above, already, with a correction posted below it. So you don't have to scroll, here is the full quote:
According to a 2010 report by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, nearly 1 in 5 women and 1 in 71 men in theed States have been raped. The actual number is likely higher, experts say, as incidents of sexual violence are severely underreported in the United States -- particularly among male victims.
Emphasis mine. And, third, who said I was trusting that data? I used it for some math in another post, but I also questioned it in that very same post since the numbers just didn't seem right. Don't confuse laziness with stupidity, how often one gender is raped compared to another just isn't that important of a fact to me; i know it happens both ways, because I'm of the gender that supposedly doesn't get raped and it happened to me, how often it happens to anyone else doesn't really matter.
You're confused, so I'll say it again: treacherous product. If a man wearing nail polish were a social norm, it may just as well have been a man in my example, but it's not, so it wasn't. Read my first paragraph; would the woman-hater you accuse me of being even be concerned that a woman could be drugged as a result of a false negative? No, they'd welcome it, but here I am pointing it out as an issue with this product. You know, the thing I actually have an issue with. Unless nail polish has a gender and this particular polish is a woman, you're so far off base, maybe it's time to drop the 420, you've left the atmosphere, my friend.
Hey! We agree on something! Would ya look at that? Doesn't change the fact that *not all of them are*, which is the point I was making. Don't conflate "most rapists are men" and "most men are rapists" as being the same, either; it's just not the case.
Dude, it's something that happened to me a decade and a half ago that is relevant to the subject at hand. It's also something that many people deny *ever* happens at all. It deserves to be brought up. So I bring it up. In a conversation where it's appropriate. This is maybe the 3rd of 4th time it's come up outside of talking to my wife about it since it happened, I'd say I'm probably okay. Pointing out that something happens to some men is not the same as saying all men are victims, nor is talking about an incident that happened in my past "playing the victim".
You seem to be putting a lot of effort into finding and commenting on my posts (not much required on my end, since Slashdot alerts me of replies), what's up with that? You have a thing for me or something?
A guy could just as easily do this, but a guy wearing nail polish in the first place is more likely to draw attention to himself, so I stuck with the social norm of a woman wearing nail polish. This isn't about something I think a woman would do (it's something I thinks a scumbag, regardless of gender, would do), it's about something this product enables, again, regardless of gender. Keep thinking it's about woman hate, though, if that serves your purpose.
Where do I sound butthurt? For fuck sake, I'm married, and quite happily at that; someone who's butthurt at women doesn't get married. I have no problem with women and pointing out that something that happened to me actually *does* happen does not indicate such.
Why, thank you for telling me the thing that happened to me happens, I wasn't really sure. The sick part is really how I found out it happened in the first place, but those are private details I will not discuss on a public forum. You can be convinced of whatever you want (and clearly you will not be swayed) but then the CDC and FBI disagree, with the CDC reporting similar positive rates (roughly 1.1%) on rape kits performed on men and women who report rape (stats reported by another user, elsewhere in the thread, ask that user for the source if you really care), with the fact that society expects men to be "unrapeable", leading to fewer men than women reporting rape when it does happen... well... if the per-capita percentage of positive rape kits (in response to a report of rape) for men and women are roughly equal, and the per-capita incidence rapes reported by women is roughly 4x that of reports by men (in the US, at least)... well, if you could do the math, you would have already, so I'll do it for you. For every 4000 women reporting a rape, 11 will show a positive rape kit; every 1000 men reporting a rape, on the other hand, will show the same 11 positives. By those numbers, it sure looks to me like 4x as many men are actually raped, but it's more likely that men only report *actual* rape and the numbers are actually much closer to equal.
Of course, not every rape gets reported and not every reported rape actually happened, so any statistic based on reporting rates is going to be skewed by both of those factors. Just food or thought.
Drugged drink, the very topic of this thread. Of course, you could have read any of the other, oh, probably dozen or so posts on this article where I give that detail.
There are also savage women out there and sometimes they act on that savagery. What's your point? I'm glad your friend was okay (more or less) after the event, but let's not pretend it never happens the other way around.
Hell, put a coating on the insides of bar glasses that reacts to various drugs. That would be an ideal solution IMO. Drug-assisted rapists would avoid the place, so the bar or club wouldn't get *their* money, but people who want to be duped into thinking they're any safer for it, and booze-assisted rapists, would flock to an establishment that used such glasses.
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Well, in order to lie consistently, I'd have to be lying in the first place. That's a pretty strong accusation and you seem pretty damn sure of yourself for someone who couldn't be more off base.
Wow, you haven't read most of my posts in this thread, then... or at least, failed to comprehend them. I clarified in the reply I just made to your other post; if you don't get it after reading that, you're simply being willfully ignorant in order to support your position, which, by the way, doesn't work. Ever.
And I don't run around staring at my drink at all times. I keep an eye on it for the 5 minutes, tops, that it is in my hand, until I'm done drinking it. When I'm in a bar or club, or a setting where I don't have another trusted individual available to keep an eye on it if I happen to walk away. Someone with PTSD about being drugged and raped would act as you describe, but that is not me, my friend. Thank you for finally explaining where you were coming from so I could clear that up; was that so hard?
You still haven't stated the basis for your claim. How have I "clearly shown" that I have PTSD? Explain, please; your repeated failure to do so is a strong indicator that you are, in fact, trolling. As for karma? I've done my fair share of trolling on here, as well, and have maintained Excellent karma for the entirety of my time here; in fact, when karma had a number assigned to it, mine was among the top of the list. Karma means absolutely jack shit on this site, which you should know, having been here so much longer than me (in reality, I've been here since 97, posting anonymously until I decided it was time to sign up in 2007, but I digress).
Only an idiot would resort to name calling without first being called names.
I can tell you with a high level of certainty that I was not traumatized by the event; therefore, there is not post-trauma, which means no post traumatic stress to cause such a disorder. I don't babysit my drinks around close firends because, as I said, if one of them wanted to drug me, they have easier ways; and I don't fear that they would want to drug me, anyway. I do keep an eye on my drinks at a bar or club, and don't drink it if it's been out of my sight - that's just being safe - and it doesn't hinder my ability to enjoy a night out, as I don't nurse my drinks; rather, I fucking drink them, then they're gone and I don't have to keep an eye on them.
No PTSD here, sorry. You're the only person who seems to disagree.
So, then, what was your basis for being so insistent that I suffer from PTSD and must, with such urgency, get help? I've asked multiple times, now, but you can't seem to dig up an answer. Your posting history reveals precisely what I suspected from the start (I avoided taking a look earlier because I was entertained in either case, but now you're just being ridiculous)... not even a good troll, either.
Now that it's out, if you want to talk about it, feel free to email me and we can set up a more appropriate venue for such a discussion. I've dealt with mine, I actually got over it fairly quickly; there are only a handful of people who know what happened... and how I found out about it, which is honestly the worst part, but also a detail too private to discuss here.
Really? "You have PTSD" sure sounds like a diagnosis. "I think you have PTSD" or "go talk to a shrink, you may have PTSD" not so much, but "you have PTSD", yes, sounds like you're trying to diagnose, here. Perhaps I'm not the one who fails to understand the English language, friend?
Again, that's of reported incidents. It's also been said that women are 5x more likely to report a rape than men, particularly if their attacker was female. Again, this is a societal issue, as men are simply brought up to be ashamed of such a situation and, therefore, do not report it. If it's unreported, you don't know about it, so your statistics aren't just from 2010, they're severely skewed. And the article you're using as a (3rd hand) source is actually trying to support my position, if you read the words around the numbers you're failing to see are meaningless. It's pointing out how meaningless those numbers actually are. Try looking for the CDC's numbers, first-hand data, rather than an article that's making the complete opposite point you're trying to make. Yes, I've read that article; how do you think I recognize that you, in fact, only skimmed it for numbers?
Yes, and reported statistics are *so* helpful in comparing reported vs. non-reported incidents, and stalking (typically a guy stalking a guy is planning an attack or a robbery, not a rape) is soooooo relevant, right? Nope. Show me some statistics on un-reported rape. Don't have any? Wonder why. It's a fact, men are brought up in this society to own the image of strength and reporting that they were raped goes against that, while women are raised to protect themselves at any cost; because of this, most women will report a rape whether it happened or not, most men won't, even if it did. I'm not judging the genders, just making a societal observation, because this is a societal problem caused by... well... society.
According to a 2010 report by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, nearly 1 in 5 women and 1 in 71 men in theed States have been raped. The actual number is likely higher, experts say, as incidents of sexual violence are severely underreported in the United States -- particularly among male victims.
Emphasis mine. And, third, who said I was trusting that data? I used it for some math in another post, but I also questioned it in that very same post since the numbers just didn't seem right. Don't confuse laziness with stupidity, how often one gender is raped compared to another just isn't that important of a fact to me; i know it happens both ways, because I'm of the gender that supposedly doesn't get raped and it happened to me, how often it happens to anyone else doesn't really matter.
You've never encountered it, but let me assure you it happens.
Also, fuck all the posters calling me a woman hater. Say it to my wife and see who gets the hate thrown at them.
You're confused, so I'll say it again: treacherous product. If a man wearing nail polish were a social norm, it may just as well have been a man in my example, but it's not, so it wasn't. Read my first paragraph; would the woman-hater you accuse me of being even be concerned that a woman could be drugged as a result of a false negative? No, they'd welcome it, but here I am pointing it out as an issue with this product. You know, the thing I actually have an issue with. Unless nail polish has a gender and this particular polish is a woman, you're so far off base, maybe it's time to drop the 420, you've left the atmosphere, my friend.
Hey! We agree on something! Would ya look at that? Doesn't change the fact that *not all of them are*, which is the point I was making. Don't conflate "most rapists are men" and "most men are rapists" as being the same, either; it's just not the case.
Dude, it's something that happened to me a decade and a half ago that is relevant to the subject at hand. It's also something that many people deny *ever* happens at all. It deserves to be brought up. So I bring it up. In a conversation where it's appropriate. This is maybe the 3rd of 4th time it's come up outside of talking to my wife about it since it happened, I'd say I'm probably okay. Pointing out that something happens to some men is not the same as saying all men are victims, nor is talking about an incident that happened in my past "playing the victim".
You seem to be putting a lot of effort into finding and commenting on my posts (not much required on my end, since Slashdot alerts me of replies), what's up with that? You have a thing for me or something?
A guy could just as easily do this, but a guy wearing nail polish in the first place is more likely to draw attention to himself, so I stuck with the social norm of a woman wearing nail polish. This isn't about something I think a woman would do (it's something I thinks a scumbag, regardless of gender, would do), it's about something this product enables, again, regardless of gender. Keep thinking it's about woman hate, though, if that serves your purpose.
Where do I sound butthurt? For fuck sake, I'm married, and quite happily at that; someone who's butthurt at women doesn't get married. I have no problem with women and pointing out that something that happened to me actually *does* happen does not indicate such.
Why, thank you for telling me the thing that happened to me happens, I wasn't really sure. The sick part is really how I found out it happened in the first place, but those are private details I will not discuss on a public forum. You can be convinced of whatever you want (and clearly you will not be swayed) but then the CDC and FBI disagree, with the CDC reporting similar positive rates (roughly 1.1%) on rape kits performed on men and women who report rape (stats reported by another user, elsewhere in the thread, ask that user for the source if you really care), with the fact that society expects men to be "unrapeable", leading to fewer men than women reporting rape when it does happen... well... if the per-capita percentage of positive rape kits (in response to a report of rape) for men and women are roughly equal, and the per-capita incidence rapes reported by women is roughly 4x that of reports by men (in the US, at least)... well, if you could do the math, you would have already, so I'll do it for you. For every 4000 women reporting a rape, 11 will show a positive rape kit; every 1000 men reporting a rape, on the other hand, will show the same 11 positives. By those numbers, it sure looks to me like 4x as many men are actually raped, but it's more likely that men only report *actual* rape and the numbers are actually much closer to equal.
Of course, not every rape gets reported and not every reported rape actually happened, so any statistic based on reporting rates is going to be skewed by both of those factors. Just food or thought.
Drugged drink, the very topic of this thread. Of course, you could have read any of the other, oh, probably dozen or so posts on this article where I give that detail.
The CDC disagrees with you. If you'd like a source for that data, you'll have to ask Nephandus.
She didn't have to, that's the fucked up part.
Point taken, thank you for clarifying.
Thank you for stepping in with statistics, I was at work when I posted that and did not have time to search them out myself.
There are also savage women out there and sometimes they act on that savagery. What's your point? I'm glad your friend was okay (more or less) after the event, but let's not pretend it never happens the other way around.
Hell, put a coating on the insides of bar glasses that reacts to various drugs. That would be an ideal solution IMO. Drug-assisted rapists would avoid the place, so the bar or club wouldn't get *their* money, but people who want to be duped into thinking they're any safer for it, and booze-assisted rapists, would flock to an establishment that used such glasses.