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New Nail Polish Alerts Wearers To Date Rape Drugs
stephendavion writes Checking to see if your drink has been tampered with is about to get a whole lot more discreet. Thanks to the work of four North Carolina State University undergrads, you'll soon be able to find out without reaching for a testing tool. That's because you'll already have five of them on each hand. The team — Ankesh Madan, Stephen Gray, Tasso Von Windheim, and Tyler Confrey-Maloney — has come up with a creative and unobtrusive way to package chemicals that react when exposed to Rohypnol and GHB. They put it in nail polish that they're calling Undercover Colors.
That we need ways to test drinks for date rape drugs shows the state of the world we live in. I don't want to live on this planet anymore.
You have to sign over all inventions you create as undergrads to the university.
At least if you're an engineer.
The university was bitter about an undergrad project turning into a billion dollar company(SAS) and them not seeing a cut.
We don't have to. The better solution would be to use cups that are covered and not set them down after being filled.
As far as this technology goes, it might cut down on those particular drugs being used, but I doubt they're the only ones that people use.
I think it might be that you respond this way when no one accused you of it.
Methinks the not-lady doth protest too much.
Yes, because sticking your nails into a drink is totally discreet. I still think the best method is to just not leave a drink unattended when you're out.
you don't need the rape drugs.
Never answer an anonymous letter. - Yogi Berra
...false rape accusation? Some cologne or hand cream alerting you about a total bitch or so?
Why do enough members of my own gender have to be such creepy bastards that we need something like this to be developed? I enjoy sex as much as the next healthy, red-blooded adult man does, but I have never had to slip drugs into some woman's drink to get it. I sure as hell haven't always 'got the girl' at the end of the night, but seriously? How fucked up do you have to be to do something like this? Shit like this is one of the many reasons why, if there are alien civilizations out there watching us, that they don't contact us openly: We still act like goddamn animals (and no, I'm not trying to be funny).
C'mon guys, knock this shit off already!
Are YOU using the TOOL, or is the TOOL using YOU? Think about it!
And obviously that's what they're suggesting here, that you and me and every other guy on the planet is despicable scum.
Has it ever occurred to you that this is a valid and common concern? It's ridiculous that women have to go through such lengths to feel safe going out. But the current reality is that it IS necessary. Not because you yourself might spike their drink, but the chance that someone might is high enough, and the result is horrific enough, that products like this are the necessity.
And instead of sympathizing with that, you decided to make this about how you personally feel slighted that anyone would suggest there's a need for this.
In 14 years practising emergency medicine, I've seen large numbers of young women who get drunk and come to A&E firmly believing that they've been given a "date rape drug," but when laboratory testing is used to confirm that belief I've only ever seen one actual case of drug-facilitated sexual assault. We live in a world with a lot less drug-facilitated date rape than fearmongering about date rape drugs.
Most "date" rapes involve only alcohol.
. . . Filled with creeps that think this stuff is perfectly normal. Your words will fall on deaf ears, or be marked as flamebait by all the "ZOMG men's rights!!111!111" fuckups around here.
(For the record, I'm a heterosexual guy. But I'm not a fuckup.)
... but did they have to name it like a bad 70's detective show? What's next, theme song by Isaac Hayes?
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my first thought was that this was redundant, as but it seem to me that women who are apt to buy and wear this nail polish would probably already follow the most basic rule.. if a drink leaves your hand... (or passes within someone else's range of dosing), you don't drink from it again. EVER. to me, that's probably the most basic think to teach girls new to bars. I was astounded when i was in thailand a couple of years ago taking a course, and when we hit a bar one night, a girl from my class (probably 21 or 22 years old) put her drink down and left it to dance.. only to go back to it afterwards. i gave her quite an earful about the dangers etc etc.
all that being said though, the rule wouldn't help you if the bartender is in cahoots with his buddy. you could also then only drink beer from a bottle (that you see opened in front of you), but for mixed drinks - why not have the extra level of security?
also, to the extent that people understand this exists, it may prevent ne'er do wells from trying it in the first place, as a positive test should result in some serious accusations flying that creepers would probably like to avoid.
First of all, you've got to stick your fingers in your drink, which doesn't seem at all appealing. Why nail-polish? Why not just use the strips? If all you had was nail-polish and someone came out with strips, that'd be an improvement. This looks like a step backwards.
Secondly, what's the false-positive/false-negative rate on this thing? Were there any compromises in accuracy in order to make it work as a nail-polish?
Again, doesn't anyone see a problem with sticking your fingers in your drink? I know I'm the finicky type, but doesn't this look bothersome to anyone else?
If you don't fornicate, you're never in danger of false rape accusations.
A strange game. The only winning move is not to play.
Any false positives? I hope they have insurance when some poor schlub gets accused based on nail polish and sues them.
A How about the complete fucks who make Rohypnol just put indelible blue dye in it that also passes through to urine? Oh yeah because they are complete fucks. We should just make chemically assisted rape punishable by death.
Oh snap!
Seriously? Never heard of the Duke Lacrosse Team that was falsely accused of rape?
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Shit better not happen!
I guess someone will at least get fingered.
I know a lot of folks with allergies and diet sensitivities. Wheat, Gluten, Dairy, Casein, Soy, Peanuts, Tree Nuts, Shellfish, etc... A detector like this could be really useful if the detected compounds were expanded.
OK, I was wrong. There are some assholes here who would secretly use date rape drugs on women. But since this is Slashdot, most of the population are so dumb that they can't figure out how to use the drugs and end up accidentally administering them to themselves. They're still assholes, though. And when they end up out cold, heads down on the bar with a little drool coming out of their mouths, they just get ignored.
I thought that Rohypnol had been regulated so heavily that very few people can get their hands on it, and that those who can are also capable of getting something stronger and harder to detect. To me, this sounds like giving people an easy way to test for polonium poisoning in their food - sure, it might help if you're someone who has pissed off a foreign intelligence service (or the Russian government) but it's a non-issue for the vast majority of people... that and if they really want you dead, they have other methods.
Why do you think the Arabs assume their women are going to be raped if they go out in public alone?
Because they would all rape a woman who is out in public alone.
It is also why they assume the woman "asked for it", because the women know this as well.
Yes you are. If you do anything that a crazy woman doesn't like, she can just accuse you of rape. Who would they believe? They'll default to the woman being right without any evidence.
I've seen it before on a few occasions. About a year ago, a friend's cousin accused her new boyfriend of raping her. She was at the police station crying her eyes out for hours. Eventually she confessed that she lied, and what really happened was that she took a bunch of nude pictures and sent them to him, and he showed his friends. So to get back at him, she made up this whole rape story to punish him.
Hell, how about the case recently where a woman claimed that her boyfriend, who happened to be a well-respected judge, had assaulted her? He had video proof that she lied about the whole thing, and yet that evidence was completely discarded and ignored while they went through with the case against him, despite the fact that he did nothing wrong.
The truth of the mater is, women have absolutely no problem playing the victim card when it suits them. They lie and manipulate to garner support to punish innocent people.
Let her dip her finger into her drink to check as often as she likes..
If it helps one girl avoid a predatory jerk, then I say great!
As I guy who likes women a lot and dates frequently, I have no problem with ladies having some independent reassurances I'm not some manipulative weirdo.
I probably wouldn't even notice that she checked... I'm like: This isn't something a non-creep like ever worries about. go ahead and google me, have a friend to call if you're uncomfortable etc.., st your phone to ring at the 12 minute mark, whatever... I don't care about head games... I just roll with it 'cause I ain't forcing anything, at any time, on anybody.. I've dated some paranoid women and it's amusing (and sometimes kinda sad) but hey.. she's gotta do what ever she needs to do. I want my sisters, friends, etc. to have all the security they need. I can't be all up in their heads refuting inaccurate moral scares, or defining what is and ain't a "normal" level of precautions etc. Look: Just do what you have to do to be comfortable. Someone that 's comfortable can relax and connect and enjoy herself. and most drinks in question have alchohol in them so I'm thinking it'll be ok to dip a finger in it.. I mean club glasses ain't usually sterilized in an autoclave to begin with..
Seriously, if a dating-scene is messed up enough for that to be an actual risk, the only sane thing is to leave it and don't look back. Somebody that is likely to put this stuff in your drink can just wait a little longer and force you to get dosed, at knife or gun-point, with much the same effect. And as soon as a few of these scumbags have gotten caught by this nail-polish, the others _will_ wise up.
On the minus-side, this can lead to less caution by the ladies and hence is likely counter-productive.
Most ACs are not even worth the keystrokes to insult them. Be generically insulted by this and ignored otherwise.
unless you're Penn Jillette, most men do not wear nail polish.
it would also be very important to educate the wearer that they could never, under any circumstances, topcoat as it would render the system useless. Salons would also need training on numerous procedures that, while safe for normal polish, would damage the system.
Disclosure: ive worked in a salon. my suggestion would be to offer a topcoat or clearcoat that can be added to existing colours. This system would also work well in french tips, but again, most men do not wear them.
Good people go to bed earlier.
A polish that detects GHB and Rohypnol is almost useless. Why? Because they are almost never used to carry out date rapes! Seriously, no major study has ever shown date rapes commonly being accomplished by using these substances. In fact, the vast majority of reported cases of their alleged "use" (i.e. 99+%) turn out to be the result of alcohol overconsumption alone.
Think about it. You have a cheap, powerful drug that causes blackouts, unconsciousness, and lack of inhibitions. And it's socially acceptable, even encouraged, to take it in social situations, despite the fact that gov't studies show that half of all sexual assaults implicate its use.
Yet your typical will no doubt will no doubt be throwing her money at the company that markets this polish, at least whatever is left over after the eight $10 appletinis she consumed last night.
Full authenticated recording of her giving consent and full authenticated recording of the act or she does not get any. Seriously, with it being this easy to successfully make false rape claims, it may be time to give up on women altogether.
Most ACs are not even worth the keystrokes to insult them. Be generically insulted by this and ignored otherwise.
Neo-Feminist standard tactics: All men are savages. Because looking at actual facts would expose them for the hate-preachers and frauds they are.
Most ACs are not even worth the keystrokes to insult them. Be generically insulted by this and ignored otherwise.
Slashdotter: OMG OMG I want to get teh babez! I am teh geniuz so they shood all love me but they dont! What do I do???
Shifty dealer: Here, administer one of these. [Gives Slashdotter some pills]
Slashdotter: ZOMG I are teh geniuz! [Administers a pill . . . to himself! Passes out.]
Rapists don't have Rapist stamped across their forehead.
You can't get GHB anymore because of dumb ass jocks, but, for some reason, Phenibut isn't scheduled.
Phenibut is a GABA receptor agonizer with a powerful relaxing effect. It's OTC, but pretty useless: you become tolerant on the first use, and then require high doses to get an effect. It might be useful once a month, give or take a week. After using it for 2-3 days--by upping the dose a bit to overcome tolerance--side effects include severe depression and suicidal desires. Your life actually becomes a steaming pile of despair from which you wish to escape. It's far more addictive than Valium, and worse than Heroin.
A dose of 250mg is a good, strong initial dose. Doses of 5000mg are common among body builders, who use the substance as a relaxant while training (bodybuilders used to dose GHB for the same purpose). A dose of 5000mg directly into some girl's drink would be fantastic... until it wore off. In the interim, nothing would bother her, and she'd probably be amenable to whatever you want. The next day, she'd cry a lot, then kill herself after deciding she'd be better off.
Again: this stuff is OTC, has no viable medical use, is impossible to use without addiction, has severe withdraw effects, is not directly toxic at high doses, and can be used to make someone compliant.
It should be banned because it's sold OTC as an anti-stress relaxant, yet is incredibly fucking dangerous to the user. It's not a thing you could dose yourself safely--like Modafinil or Dextroamphetamine--because it's not a thing a fucking physician could prescribe safely for any useful treatment. It's not a dangerous drug that can provide a recreational high or a medical benefit or can somehow be managed; it's a completely useless, indirectly toxic substance that creates immediate tolerance and brings on intense withdraw qualifying as a medical emergency.
I bet their strips don't test for that.
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Subject says it all. Alcohol is considered harmless, but it isn't. That said, I don't support banning it. I just think it mostly isn't a good idea to use it for psychoactive effects.
--PM
I can't believe this feminist propaganda is still going on.
There is nothing fundamentally different between Rohypnol and a dozen other benzodiazepine drugs that are prescribed to tens of millions of American women. The demonization of that drug continues to baffle me, when far stronger drugs like xanax are readily available. Anyone who has experimented with benzos knows full well xanax plus alcohol will fuck you up to the point memory loss will be the least of your concerns.
Here is the reality: feminism has made women miserable. The majority of women take psychotropic drugs to cope with the hell that is modern liberal society. Many of these drugs say VERY CLEARLY on the label not to consume with alcohol. Yet they do. And as has been discussed in literature going back to the dawn of civilization, women get honry when they are really drunk - and benzos potentiate that effect. But then because of the benzos, that can't remember anything.
There is a simple solution to this problem. Women under 30 should not be prescribed benzodiazepine drugs under any circumstances.
GHB was such a load of crap too. That stuff was great for bodybuilding, and it's bullshit it got banned. No one was using that to date rape anyone with at best a dozen examples.
Also many rapists meet their victims at a bar or club.
You stick your finger in your drink, and either your date is a creep, or he's okay but you now have nail polish in your drink.
Slow down, cowboy! It has been 4 hours since you last posted. You must wait another few hours.
The truth of the mater is, women have absolutely no problem playing the victim card when it suits them. They lie and manipulate to garner support to punish innocent people.
It's that last line that betrays you. Some women have no problem lying and playing the victim when it suits them, but in your mind that has morphed into ALL women, and that is your problem, not theirs. Some men also have no problem doing bad things to women and lying when it suits them. The women are just trying to figure out how to be safe short of withdrawing from society.
My right hand gives a hardy thumbs up!
yeah but most men are already addicted to women. it is like asking a drug addict to quit drugs.
Do you people have any idea what this will do to my organ harvesting business?
I have no problem with this product. But I am concerned about false-positives. And I don't mean just the "it detected a daterape drug but in fact there was nothing in the drink". I mean the wrong guy gets identified as the one who spiked the drink and gets his life ruined as a result.
But that is a societal problem.
Why was this modded Troll? Whoever did it is abusing the moderation system.
But that is a societal problem.
So is the need for this product.
APK quotes people (including myself) without context and should not be trusted. Just thought you should know.
No, jerk. Nothing here says "All men are savages". That's all in your mind. Some men are savages, and women need every level of protection against them possible. This story is about one new form of protection.
I guess the real question is: why do you feel threatened by a new date rape prevention tool?
Do you get equally offended when Toyota adds a new interior airbag?
Do you assume that Toyota is telling you that *you are a terrilbe driver?
How about when you're operating system alerts you to a new security update?
Is Microsoft or Redhat telling you that you can't keep your computer safe?
Why would this story be any different?
That we need ways to test drinks for date rape drugs shows the state of the world we live in.
But I doubt that this state has changed since most of your parents were born. Date rape drugs have been a thing for at least 70 years. A line in "Baby, It's Cold Outside" (written in 1944 and recorded in 1949) alludes to them, as an article by Ian Fortey points out.
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Several orders of magnitude less than feminists claim.
No, it is not suggesting that every man is a despicable scum, it is suggesting that there is a reasonable chance that at least one man at a party is a despicable scum. And that seems like a reasonable suggestion.
Date rape drugs are terrifying because of what they do, not because of how common they are. Kind of like shark attacks. Shark attacks keep some people out of the water, or at least instill a basic sense of fear, especially people who are already afraid of the ocean. Date rape drugs, similarly, instill a sense of fear around not just dating but being able to trust men in general.
It doesn't have to affect every single person who gets afraid. That one person you found in 14 years is probably two degrees of separation from over a hundred people. Four degrees of separation from thousands. All of those people know girl who knows a guy who knows a girl who knows a girl who got date raped liked this, and now they have to live with the fear that it could happen to them. Having an unintrusive test like in TFA would at least allow those people to get back their peace of mind.
...thanks to the work of four North Carolina State University undergrads
Somehow I read that as "North Carolina State University underpants"
I think the main point is to prevent the woman from drinking the spiked drink. I think it is rather unlike that a guy gets convicted (or even prosecuted) based solely on this test. Perhaps arrested, but more likely just questioned. Unless he's black, in which case he would probably be shot by the police, but that's a problem which has nothing to do with this product.
Last summer, I had on one early Sunday morning fare (a woman), tell me how her friend walked out of the Southampton Social Club (near the Southampton Lirr train station) the Saturday night before after feeling 'strange', and fell onto the club's driveway, face first, slightly (thank God) cutting up her face. The young woman managed to call her friend (my passenger) who drove and picked her up. No police were summoned, and as I've learned since, it wouldn't have mattered much, since the Southampton Police in L.I. do not even have a 'rape kit' available to them.
One other episode was this (2014) summer: Early one morning (5:30 am), I was dispatched to a local, S.Hampton call to a (very expensive, not unusual for the vicinity) home. After getting admittance through the gated driveway, two beautiful young women got in. One was sick and 'out of it', though her friend was much more in control of herself, and gave me the info needed to get them to where they needed to go (a temporary summer rental home). The other young woman was a really cute, vulnerable type young lady, who I could tell, was not feeling very well. During our trip she needed a plastic 'barf bag' that I supplied her with. And her friend told me how she suspected that her friend got 'roofied' by one of the residents of the home. Very plausible allegation, to my mind. I did my job and delivered both of them safely to their destination. A few days later I was called to their address to take both of them to the train station so they could leave Southampton. On the trip we spoke little, other than me asking the young lady if she was alright, she quietly said she was, though I had a very bad feeling that she was molested that day. As their cab driver, there wasn't a damn thing I could do to help them, excepting safely delivering them where they wanted to go. It's a shitty, powerless feeling for a man.
Some 5 years ago I was roofied myself, by a supposed 'friend'. Within a 30 minute period after eating a drug laced slice of pizza, I felt quite 'odd', and left the home of my 'friend'. I walked over 2 miles to get back to my rented room, needing to stop on the way to throw up the pizza I'd ingested. The final, 3 story climb up the stairs to my room were the most difficult, I was forcibly pulling my body up the stairs by gripping the stairway's banister, and I'm a somewhat strong man. As soon as I got inside my room and locked my door behing me I collapsed onto my bed, and for the next six hours I slept the sleep of the dead. Woke up knowing this was not a normal thing to happen to me, and deduced that I must have been 'roofied'. I wanted at the time to go back and kill that guy who I know did that to me. I didn't do that. One day I went there, knocked on his door (acting normal), and made sure that I got my belongings out of storage from his garage. As I walked away, his last words to me were, "You need a psychiatrist!" (I had just began walking away from him down his driveway while carrying my packed up bags).
At those words I almost froze, intent on wanting to drop my bags, and go walk up to him (my 'former' friend), and clock him a good one in his face. I didn't do that though, my intent was just to get away from the asshole without police involvement and my meager, but important to me, belongings intact. Instead of doing that, I remember my steps hesitating a small bit, but I instead kept on walking away from him, despite my wanting so much to stop, go back and smash his face in for what I knew he had done to me.
Now, I am a somewhat strong guy who is non-violent by nature, though I am capable of violence, when pushed too far. I mentally 'chose' not to act upon my 'baser instincts'. I 'thought' through it as it was happening, kno
After she's well-hammered by 3 or 4 untainted drinks, will she still have the ability or memory to 'run the test' on the potentially last fateful drink of the night?
More to the point: stay the eff out of bars and never go to a frat party of any type.
Oh good grief. No they don't.
Excuse me, but please get off my Pennisetum Clandestinum, eh!
Hey Kreskin, you failed to qualify your last sentence and in turn you've implied that ALL women are buying into the feminist narrative of rape culture and feel unsafe in society. The fact is, most women reject the concept of rape culture and misandrist feminism.
There was no qualifier, there; you added the "all" on your own.
APK quotes people (including myself) without context and should not be trusted. Just thought you should know.
I had a girl try to accuse me of rape when her boyfriend (who I didn't know about) found out she had been with me. She backed down really quickly when I reminded her she was the one who turned the camera on and the video would show that. This method actually does work (though, that isn't why it was recorded; she wanted to make a video and I was cool with that).
APK quotes people (including myself) without context and should not be trusted. Just thought you should know.
No, it's like asking a drug addict to document their usage, which many already do.
APK quotes people (including myself) without context and should not be trusted. Just thought you should know.
I'm a man so I'm technically not the target demographic, but I'd love to have something to this for some of the parties, events of festivals I sometimes find myself at. Now I'm not that worried about being sexually assaulted or raped; both my sex and my ghastly physical appearance make chances of that happening to me extremely close to zero. but I've heard some anecdotes that GHB and the likes are also frequently used by muggers; instead of risking a physical altercation or a gunshot to the face, you can also just drug the dude, take his stuff and toss him off the nearest bridge all without him putting up a fight.
Concerning the need for this product; it's not so much the times we live in that created this product; being incapacitated and taken advantage of has always been an active threat to women in social situations; so I'm mostly just happy there is an addition to the safety precautions a woman can take to gain a little more security in their day-to-day lives.
You are right. You put no qualifiers and therefore presented the item as applying to all in the group, in this case women. I put the word "all" in to point out explicitly what your wording was presenting.
What is wrong with someone saying that they are innocent? Why is it that when a man says they are innocent that you chose to believe and publicly insinuate that they are guilty? Worse, a significant portion of people will agree with your claim that a man defending himself is the worst kind of criminal offender.
You're implying that people at bars and clubs are only ever drugged and raped by their dates.
While I certainly support anything that helps prevent rape, drug-facilitated or otherwise, I think women should be overt in their testing: the people she is with deserve to know her true opinion of them as potential rapists.
Oh to have mod points right about now. This is exactly right. I know a lot of the MRA anti women sociopaths don't want to hear it, but it remains true that there are some savage men out there and sometimes they act on that savagery. People thinking this is an attack on men are the exact same men who use date rape drugs to get a girl to bed.
I was dating a woman who got hit with a date rape drug right around 2 years into our relationship. We would frequently go out drinking then go to a hotel and sleep/fuck it off. One night we were on our typical drink and fuck nights at a local bar and some guy was chatting her up when I went to the restroom. She was only on her second drink and she didn't catch it. Thankfully he left after I came back but she didn't catch that he slipped her something, and neither of us noticed until after the second drink was gone. We got her back to the room safe but never went back to that bar again.
There are way too many articles here lately they have absolutely no relevance to tech "news that matters."
Further, tons of them are basically either that men are repressing women in the tech industry, or that all men are rapists and/or racists.
Here's the thing though, the audience here is probably the least likely to be those things. Submit these articles to bodybuilder forums or something.
I've been coming here daily for 14 years and a couple more of these submissions and I'll unfortunately have to leave. -_-
I think the main point is to prevent the woman from drinking the spiked drink. I think it is rather unlike that a guy gets convicted (or even prosecuted) based solely on this test. Perhaps arrested, but more likely just questioned. Unless he's black, in which case he would probably be shot by the police, but that's a problem which has nothing to do with this product.
Yeah, the latter part is an entirely different social problem.
Go away kid.
In life there are certain questions where if you have to ask them, the answer doesn't even really matter.
In my opinion, if you are in an environment where your drink may or may not be spiked with a drug that may cause you to be raped, YOU'RE IN THE WRONG FREAKING ENVIRONMENT.
There will never be a time when going out and drinking with friends becomes so imperative that dodging potential rape is worth the experience.
I'm not against this scientifically neat invention, but if this is what our society has come to then I think women can do better things with their time than going out to venues where this is even a problem.
It's really is a concern too. Even when you're with friends and feel safe. My sister went to a large house party hosted by a long time friend. She was there with her boyfriend of 4 years and several other close friends. After her second drink it was obvious something was wrong, she was far too enebriated for what she had consumed. Within 30 minutes of her second drink she was unconscious. Thankfully both her boyfriend and friends were there, and they took her to the hospital.
Guys don't (typically) wear nail-polish...
Don't just stand there, get that other dog!
You just have all sorts of different stories about rape today. Seems a bit strange, don't it? Maybe should keep an eye on this one here...
And therefore, all women lie and rape never happens? Men are superior moral people? I don't see your point.
Being able to say no to liquor is extremely easy.
It can be extremely hard to say no to alcohol in certain social settings --- and you don't have to be an alcoholic to know this.
Hi, Personally, I want a much higher fraction of gun wielding, baton-toting, chokehold knowing police officers to be good people doing good things. 5-10% of the police force is a lot of bad apples, given their ability to cause mayhem. Teachers - they may not teach you, they may pick on you, but they won't kill you or beat you senseless. Probably.
As for fraternities, It is just incorrect to call fraternities wholesome things with adult oversight from local volunteers. Seriously? To solve the problem, though, instead of nail polish you could simply avoid going into fraternities or off-campus parties altogether. Especially freshman fall.
Might as well face it I'm addicted to data.
Nice Ad Hominem there. "If you disagree with me, then you are obvious a rapist." As I said, typical Neo-Feminist tactics. Utterly repulsive and dishonorable of course.
As to your "story", statistics say you either made that up, or it was something else. Data-rape drugs are exceedingly rarely used. It would also be terminally stupid to try to use this on a woman that obviously is with somebody. Anybody planning rape is bound to do at least some target observation before.
Most ACs are not even worth the keystrokes to insult them. Be generically insulted by this and ignored otherwise.
Regulated? It's illegal in the US, but easy trivial to get in Mexico. So getting your hands on one can be as difficult as getting some weed.
The Kruger Dunning explains most post on
Except it doesn't seem to bind to the ionotropic receptor. There is some literature that it MIGHT bind and very high doses.
The drugs really aren't comparable.
The Kruger Dunning explains most post on
Except that the post you were referring to was not mine.
APK quotes people (including myself) without context and should not be trusted. Just thought you should know.
If you are that worried about it maybe you want to think about the kinds of guys you are going out with.
So why exactly does the idea of women being able to easily detect GHB bother you? Worried it will get in the way of your social life?
There are also savage women out there and sometimes they act on that savagery. What's your point? I'm glad your friend was okay (more or less) after the event, but let's not pretend it never happens the other way around.
APK quotes people (including myself) without context and should not be trusted. Just thought you should know.
I think the main point is to prevent the woman from drinking the spiked drink. I think it is rather unlike that a guy gets convicted (or even prosecuted) based solely on this test. Perhaps arrested, but more likely just questioned. Unless he's black, in which case he would probably be shot by the police, but that's a problem which has nothing to do with this product.
If a black person is shot it is extremely likely that it was by another black person. In fact, 93% of back deaths by guns are from other blacks. Don't believe me? See it in (no pun intended ) black and white here: http://www.bjs.gov/content/pub/pdf/htus8008.pdf page 13
Never had a shot of vodka before, huh? I mean, OMGZORZZZZ!!! TEH GHBZZZZZ! Faggot.
I see only stock photos. If they had anything at all working they would have released either a video demonstration, or before-and-after pictures.
What they're attempting is non-trivial - I'm going to go out on a limb here and say that they're going to fail on the chemistry.
Thanks for the story. Honestly.
Hah, turns out feminists are saying this nail polish actually promotes rape culture. From ThinkProgress: "Now, remembering to put on anti-rape nail polish and discretely slip a finger into each drink might be added to that ever-growing checklist - something that actually reinforces a pervasive rape culture in our society."
Bet you didn't see that coming. It's not merely everything a man ever does that promotes rape culture in this new world, you see, it's also every step a woman might take to reduce the likelihood of rape.
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my life has been 'complicated' by people who care about me, they think that anonymously drugging/medicating me was the right thing to do
Any hints what motive your "friends" have for drugging you? Something doesn't smell right about your story. I don't mean to be rude but have you considered the possibility that you're delusional and no one has ever actually tried to drug you? That seems like the most likely possibility to me.
Just going by the odds I'd guess that it's about 1000 times more likely you've got schizophrenia than all your friends are trying to drug you.
Best wishes.
Apparently they're upset at anything a potential victim might want to do, at all.
From the article:
"As a woman, I'm told not to go out alone at night, to watch my drink, to do all of these things. That way, rape isn't just controlling me while I'm actually being assaulted -- it controls me 24/7 because it limits my behavior. Solutions like these actually just recreate that. I don't want to fucking test my drink when I'm at the bar. That's not the world I want to live in."
And there's actually a small point there. Unfortunately, however, she doesn't get a choice as to the world she lives in; none of us do, it's take it or leave it. And despite all the man-blaming, there's not much the vast majority of men, who are non-rapists, can do about the few who are. No amount of our not-raping will change the rapists out there. Particularly not the vanishingly few using date-rape drugs; they either know they're doing wrong, or they're mentally ill, and aren't likely to respond to any sort of cultural persuasion either way.
So, should she let (fear of) rape influence her to take precautions? It's really up to her. If she doesn't want her behavior limited, she can simply not limit it. The risk is hers to take, and the rapist is still in the wrong -- but that doesn't make the risk go away. It's the same risk anyone takes when they engage in behavior putting them at risk of crime -- walking around the NYC subway holding your iPhone. Cutting through the projects rather than walking around. Driving a nice car through Southwest Philadelphia. Though not testing one's drink probably falls into the same category of "not wearing a Kevlar vest whenever you go out", given how rare drink-spiking is.
Drugs like Burundanga will absorb through skin making it a far better option when it comes to stealth. My view on the subject is anyone trying that bs should have their rear violated with a cactus before being thrown in prison.
There is some good news for you women well over 99 percent of all men are not out to drug then rape you. I'm looking for no strings attached sex not couldn't live with myself twenty to life sex.
Knuckle deep in your own drink, and then stare at it intently in case it changes colors. Fucking discreet
Phenibut is more like Valium up to 11 than GHB yes. Have you ever had valium delivered as a continuous intravenous drip? You won't remember a damn thing, but you'll be awake and compliant. Mind you, that's a massive bioavailable dose compared to a pill.
Phenibut really is useless, though.
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Meanwhile back in the real world men are sexually assaulted and raped by women just as often. Rape culture my arse.
Now this is quite simply and honestly pure genius! I think they have something that really contributes to safety. These kids should patent it and make money - they deserve it.
Girls like to drink and have sex do they not? Maybe we could could just offer them Rohypnol. Why can't Rohypnol be the hot new drug everybody's doing like ecstasy?
The truth of the mater is, women have absolutely no problem playing the victim card when it suits them. They lie and manipulate to garner support to punish innocent people.
Let's rephrase that to "...SOME women have absolutely no problem..."
It is near impossible to speak about anything of substance without generalizing to some degree, but that one was pretty far over the top.
You obviously don't know anything about roofie's or how they work. Every story you cited was just the effects of alcohol and not a date rape drug. Same for yourself.
How about being responsible for our own behavior? Instead of wearing nail polish that could detect a date-rape drug, how about not drinking to excess and also babysitting our own drinks? That is, as women, we should never leave an alcoholic beverage unattended in a public place. If you're going to the bathroom, or stepping out to smoke a cigarette, take the drink with you. Many of the legally innocent people who end up being wrongly convicted of serious crimes (and decades later, exonerated) were often arrested in places they shouldn't have been in the first place.
Hey guys... I don't about you, but I come to SD to argue about RAPE, because there's no where else on the internet to do that, and this site right here has been rape based since day one! Can you believe some of these faggots talking about science in here? What a bunch of noobs. Clearly the issue here has nothing to do with science or using chemical detectors in new and interesting ways, it's all about how stupid all women are and how rape happy every man is. This is something new and exciting, so why not have the same conversation that everyone has had 50 times before?
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I read it all, expecting he got into a fight and his mom got scared, said 'You're movin' with your auntie and uncle in Bel Air'
But yeah.. Doesn't sound like roofies. None of it.
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Then why the fuck is an article regarding "nail polish" on /.
It is neither news, nor for nerds. But hey, don't let that get in the way of your white knight bullshit.
It's relevant because it's essentially an interesting type of litmus paper for certain drugs. New chemical testing methods are nerdy because it's not only novel, but the expected use is also novel.
Unbelievable, the shit people say on the internet.
It's a clever bit of science, but unfortunately, I fear the young ladies who are most likely in need of this product are probably not going to have the foresight to wear it. If they had such foresight in the first place, it seems like perhaps they wouldn't be in a position where someone they shouldn't trust could surreptitiously slip them drugs in their drinks.
Unbelievable.
I'm just pointing out that some people are more prone to making poor life choices. I'm sure we've all met them before. We feel really bad when these people are eaten by wolves, but we can't help but thinking: "was it really the best idea to go out in a suit made of meat and barbeque sauce?"
Analogies are nice, but we're not talking about wolves. We're talking about humans. This is what the justice system is fucking designed for.
Un-fucking-believable.
I think this is great news, and I can't fucking believe how many rape apologists are dwelling in here.
--surd1618
Seems to me that both your stories of women are consistent with having had too much alcohol. Fingernail polish won't solve that.
"When you have eliminated the unacceptable, whatever is left, however improbable, must be the truthiness" - Holmes
Wow... High horse much?
I agree.
There is the possible issue that if these are expensive, then they might be oversold by fear-mongering. I do not know how common date-rape drugs are, or what this costs, so I have no opinion as to whether or not is is a reasonable (cost effective) precaution. It does seem good to have this available for women who want it.
The other possible downside is if there is a significant false-positive rate. This wouldn't lead to convictions, but could possibly destroy the reputation of innocent people. In an ideal world the drink would be sent to a lab to be tested, but most women would (reasonably) leave immediately if they thought their date tried to drug them, and would then warn everyone they knew about that person.
The second problem would be helped if the product came with a strong recommendation that the victim take a sample of the drink for real analysis any time there was a positive indication.
Yes, but that's a completely different thing from what I was saying. An unarmed black man is far more likely to be shot by police than an unarmed white man.
if it prevents one woman being raped then its worth it , seriously women are having their lives ruined , it would behove you to do some research before posting about this subject.
If women where date raping men in anywhere near the amounts the men do there would be an outrage.
We need to redress this balance and stop behaving like sex starved teenagers , then maybe we wouldn't be sex starved teenagers
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just being somewhere is not an invitation to rape , nor is wearing particular clothes , nor is being cute
there is no valid reason ever to rape or trick someone into sex , stop defending bad people you are sounding like one.
how does this sound - "You know wearing that outfit and posting on slashdot is just asking to be raped"
you can argue all you like but if you provide excuses for that kind of thinking you are helping it happen.
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be glad you don't have to worry about this sort of thing when you go out and stop pretending you have be wronged because you haven't
maybe they are sick of being told they have to do things to stop men raping then instead of you know , men doing things to stop other men raping because its men raping thats the problem not women inviting it , they are not , ever inviting it , regardless of how you think about it, they are never inviting it
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bet you don't have sisters or a daughter
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If a number of unrelated people have wanted to drug you for your own good over a number of years, you must have been quite the interesting roommate. Just sayin..
If this is expensive (and maybe it isn't) then the question is whether this is an efficient way to spend money to reduce rapes. Its possible that other approaches (better surveillance in bars for example) could be more cost effective.
Again, I'm not objecting to this, just saying that it needs to be compared to other approaches. If it is cheap then it is probably a good solution. Even if its expensive, I think it is good to have it available to women who want to purchase it.
No question that having people stop committing rape would be great. I just don't know how to make them stop except through very indirect methods (like this one).
If you go out without an umbrella, it serves little purpose to yell at the sky when you get wet. We live in an imperfect world. A rational person takes reasonable precautions against known and likely dangers. An irrational person makes excuses not make the effort.
Blame and responsibility are orthogonal concepts. You can be completely free of moral culpability, yet still be irresponsible. And responsibility distinguishes an adult from a child (and that message is one more men need to hear - for this problem and many, many others).
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Is this a real problem? How many guys are slipping Mickeys these days, that the ladies need to wear testers when they go out? Are things really so uncivilized today? In my day, you politely asked a girl whether or not she'd care for a Quaalude. But then again, you could be certain the answer would be, "Yes!"
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Considering that 20 billion women are raped every second in the US according to the CDC [cnn.com], chances are that I participated in several rapes while I was making this post.
I've recently stopped driving a taxi (after a 1 1/2 years, 2 summer seasons) in the Hamptons of E. Long Island NY. Through my fares telling me what happened to their friends (cute looking, vulnerable type young women), I applaud this fingernail polish roofie detecting product.
Last summer, I had on one early Sunday morning fare (a woman), tell me how her friend walked out of the Southampton Social Club (near the Southampton Lirr train station) the Saturday night before after feeling 'strange', and fell onto the club's driveway, face first, slightly (thank God) cutting up her face. The young woman managed to call her friend (my passenger) who drove and picked her up. No police were summoned, and as I've learned since, it wouldn't have mattered much, since the Southampton Police in L.I. do not even have a 'rape kit' available to them.
One other episode was this (2014) summer: Early one morning (5:30 am), I was dispatched to a local, S.Hampton call to a (very expensive, not unusual for the vicinity) home. After getting admittance through the gated driveway, two beautiful young women got in. One was sick and 'out of it', though her friend was much more in control of herself, and gave me the info needed to get them to where they needed to go (a temporary summer rental home). The other young woman was a really cute, vulnerable type young lady, who I could tell, was not feeling very well. During our trip she needed a plastic 'barf bag' that I supplied her with. And her friend told me how she suspected that her friend got 'roofied' by one of the residents of the home. Very plausible allegation, to my mind. I did my job and delivered both of them safely to their destination. A few days later I was called to their address to take both of them to the train station so they could leave Southampton. On the trip we spoke little, other than me asking the young lady if she was alright, she quietly said she was, though I had a very bad feeling that she was molested that day. As their cab driver, there wasn't a damn thing I could do to help them, excepting safely delivering them where they wanted to go. It's a shitty, powerless feeling for a man.
Some 5 years ago I was roofied myself, by a supposed 'friend'. Within a 30 minute period after eating a drug laced slice of pizza, I felt quite 'odd', and left the home of my 'friend'. I walked over 2 miles to get back to my rented room, needing to stop on the way to throw up the pizza I'd ingested. The final, 3 story climb up the stairs to my room were the most difficult, I was forcibly pulling my body up the stairs by gripping the stairway's banister, and I'm a somewhat strong man. As soon as I got inside my room and locked my door behing me I collapsed onto my bed, and for the next six hours I slept the sleep of the dead. Woke up knowing this was not a normal thing to happen to me, and deduced that I must have been 'roofied'. I wanted at the time to go back and kill that guy who I know did that to me. I didn't do that. One day I went there, knocked on his door (acting normal), and made sure that I got my belongings out of storage from his garage. As I walked away, his last words to me were, "You need a psychiatrist!" (I had just began walking away from him down his driveway while carrying my packed up bags).
At those words I almost froze, intent on wanting to drop my bags, and go walk up to him (my 'former' friend), and clock him a good one in his face. I didn't do that though, my intent was just to get away from the asshole without police involvement and my meager, but important to me, belongings intact. Instead of doing that, I remember my steps hesitating a small bit, but I instead kept on walking away from him, despite my wanting so much to stop, go back and smash his face in for what I knew he had done to me.
Now, I am a somewhat strong guy who is non-violent by nature, though I am capable of violence, when pushed too far. I mentally 'chose' not to act upon my 'baser instincts'. I 'thought' throug