The fact is that your actions do reflect on the groups you belong to. They color one's perception of your friends, your family, the company you work for, the city, state, and country you live in, any social clubs you may be a member of, the school you went to, your race, your gender, and, indeed, your age group. Moreso, your actions reflect on humanity, itself. The degree to which your actions reflect on each particular group will vary, based on a number of factors, including, but not limited to: the size of the group, how well known the group is, how disruptive your actions are (disruption can be positive or negative), and how relevant those actions are to the group in question. In this case, since you're entering (starting, but, I digress) a conversation about ageism, your age group is the most prominent group in that list and your actions are quite noticeably disruptive, so they reflect strongly on that group.
There are exceptions to every rule. In this case, however, you are not the exception. Prove my wrong by comprehending and applying the above lesson. My generation is open to being proven wrong; is yours?
My children will be home schooled until they are old enough to understand the importance of education and have learned how to learn on their own. At that point, they will be allowed to decide for themselves whether they want to attend public schools, a private school if I can afford it, or continue home schooling. This is one of many decisions my wife and I discussed and agreed upon *before* deciding to marry; of course, the vast majority of couples who marry don't take the realities of the future into consideration, so decisions like this are set aside "until they have to be made" and one or both parties gives in, not wanting to argue, and the kids end up in an "educational" system that doesn't teach them anything useful (amongst many other "easy way out" decisions that get made when a couple simply can't agree on things), or they end up in a single parent home.
I barely graduated; not because I didn't understand the material, not because I had no desire to succeed, but because I was spending my time learning things above and beyond what was being taught in the classroom, rather than doing the classwork. I passed tests, I aced midterms and finals, but I was too busy, after having run through the provided textbooks in the first month or so of the class, seeking new material and learning new things that were *not* being taught in class, to waste my time on the classwork. This is a direct resuly of being taught, at a young age, how to learn on my own; and it has been instrumental in my success. The more I think about it, the more I also see a strong correlation between the actual ability to learn independently and the ability and willingness to take responsibility for one's own life and actions. That's what's greatly lacking in the younger generations and, to some extent, ours, as well.
I know I've touched on several seemingly unrelated topics in this post and most readers are going to think I'm just all over the place. That's fine, all I ask is that you step back and take a look at the big picture, I'm probably not as far out there as you think I am.
In order for a person to be willing or able to take responsibility for something, they must first understand that thing. In order for someone to understand something, they must be able to learn; if they can only learn when things are explained to them, rather than on their own, then that thing must be explained in terms they already understand. We're breeding generations now that do not know how to learn, do not understand their own actions, and take no responsibility for those actions, or their own lives, as a result. It's a vicious circle that can only get worse, unless those of us who see it happening and are willing and able to take responsibility, who see what's happening, get off our asses and do something about it. That said, I'm not sure what I can do, beyond simply not raising my own kids that way and writing my congresscritters to beg for change; if anyone has any workable ideas, I'd love to hear them.
He can call me whatever he wants, I'm using the machine right now, I know I'm being honest.
As I repleid to another posted who "called me out" on this: I get called out on this a lot, but, strangely, nobody ever wants to come actually take a look for themselves when I offer it.
I have to go off topic to reply to your sig... I laugh at comedians and I buy tickets to their shows, so yes, it's possible there's some crossover. In my teens, I used to laugh at ICP's lyrics, and yes, there are two of their CDs in my collection. I've since grown up and now buy music that I enjoy for its musical qualities, rather than for humor or shock value (save for Richard Cheese, I love that motherfucker), but yeah... Teens (and people in general) tend to buy things that make them happy and laughter makes them happy, so of course they're secretly buying all the pop music they're laughing at.
Ahh, actually those CPU and load stats are from the CentOS host, though it's funny you jump right to assuming I'm reporting that data from one of the VM guests. Furthermore, my current project is very javascript-heavy, so it's not accurate to say that any of those prowsers are sitting idle in the background; and have you ever run coda? That bastard will eat CPU just sitting there if you've got SVN configured.
I never claimed a perfomance boost of any kind, that that, for the typical use case here in my office, it actually is faster in the VM than native. I also pointed to the possibility that this is due to my having stripped down this install of OSX for performance reasons (I did the same for Centos and Windows, as well, for the same reasons). In a different use case, or without the optimizations, I have little doubt that the quad core i7 in my boss' MacBook Pro would eat my laptop's lunch. My point was stability, and I think I made that point well, even if you want to argue other points. I threw in the other bits simply as points of interest.
That said, I'm eyeing a much nicer laptop that even the top of the line MBP available today won't touch performancewise, for half the price, including 1yr accidental damage warranty and 2yr parts and labor warranty, rivaling Apple Care. The only spec the MBP wins on is the retina display; that higher resolution display is not worth $2000 to me, moreso given the reduced performance that would come with the lower spec machine. I'll use that $2000 on a better monitor for when I'm tethered to my desk, better office chair, more network storage, or maybe just a few nights out. For my wife? She cares more about the aesthetic design of the system than raw performance, if she wants a MBP with retina display, it's hers. It works for her and she likes it, so I support that.
I'm not saying you're doing it (if you are, I'm not seeing it) but I think it's funny when Apple fans jump on me whenever I point out that my PC can do everything their Mac can do, for a fraction of the price. The only reason I touch OSX is for Coda, because, though it's a resource hog unlike anything I've ever seen, it's a freakin' slick editor, and a couple of image processing utilities that are nothing more than GUIs for FOSS packages I already have on CentOS, which I could easily replace with some BASH scripts or a quickly coded GUI of my own. I'm moving more and more toward using Aptana, though, so OSX might be seeing its way out soon. Good riddance given the direction Apple is taking with Lion and the upcoming Mountain Lion; pitty, I do quite like Snow Leopard, but once it's no longer supported with security updates, I'm out. Apple's new direction just doesn't jive with me, as a developer. My boss, proud owner of 5 iMacs, a MacBook Pro, and 2 (formerly 3, but I bought one) G4 PowerBooks, is starting to feel the same way; the Apple mindset is changing and it is quickly becomming incompatible with the work we do. I'll still have the G4 for testing things in OSX native Safari, but that's likely all the use it's gonna see.
Stock install of OSX, the EFI image came along with the VM image when I moved it from the Mac I created it on and Workstation 8 on the PC didn't complain. I wasn't sure it would work, but I figured it was worth a try; worked fine.
How's this for a measure of performance? Win7 with IE9, Chrome, Firefox, Safari, Fireworks CS 5.5, and Photoshop CS 5.5 open, pages loaded in the browsers and designs loaded in the Adobe apps. OSX with Chrome, Firefox, Safari, and Coda open, pages loaded in the browsers and multiple source files open in Coda. CentOS with VMWare Workstation, Chrome, Firefox, Skype, Thunderbird, and a couple terminals open, OSX and Win7 VMs open in VMware, pages open in the browsers, Skype making a voice call, Thunderbird managing two personal and one work email account, active SSH connections to dev and staging servers on the terminals. Load average? 1.61 for the last minute, 1.63 and 1.60 are the 5 and 15min LAs. 1.8GB of RAM free and just shy of 50MB of swap used (no swap used in either OSX of Win7 at the moment). CPU1: 17.0% CPU2: 19.8% CPU3: 8.9% CPU4: 47.2%. Yes, two of those cores are virtual (hyperthreading); no, I don't care. System is stable and responsive right now, as it always is.
Hmm... modded down as Flamebait for posting my own personal experience? I could see modding down for the cult reference, were that the point of the post, but come on, someone's being a bit too defensive and/or completely lacking any sense of homor regarding Flavor Aid. As someone who works in an office full of Macs, married a woman who refuses to touch a PC, and uses OSX 40+hr a week, willingly (I'm not forced to use Coda, I can use any editor I wish), for work, I'm not trying to drag Apple down or stain The Name Of The Jobs. Apple fans, consider that before you moderate.
M380 @ 2.53Ghz, actually. More to the point, I was as skeptical as you are, my boss and I redid the test a handful of times, in awe of the WTF that we had just witnessed. Also, no, I'm not using any "OSX Runner" (which turns up no relevant results on Google, BTW), I created the VM image (Snow Leopard, Server, 64-bit) on an OSX version of VMWare and moved it over to my laptop, where it ran just fine with minimal tweaking. Oh, and the tests were done using a properly shut down VM, booting into CentOS 6.2, not Windows (which runs in its own VM).
If anything, I'd attribute it to running a lean system. If I don't need it, it isn't loading, be it part of CentOS, Windows, or OSX. MAybe it's less impressive to say that I'm booting into a just-the-essentials Linux desktop, then loading a just-the-essentials OSX VM in less time than it takes to boot non-optimized OSX natively, but that's still 2 operating systems and a VM hypervisor and it's still on a slower CPU (when you consider cumulative speed of all cores). Since none of this process is graphics-intensive, the GPU specs really don't play into this.
Hahahaha you're so full of yourself. It's funny that you state that you can't trust someone else's word because they posted AC, but you insist on posting AC and think anyone really cares that you were able to spend hours compiling a list of every post you've ever made that was modded up. Some of us have better things to do; that's why I'm only dropping by to point this out, rather than spending way too much time to tear down every aspect of your flawed logic. Yes, it would be easy, but it would be too time consuming to cover all the bases and, as I've already stated, I have better things to do.
More to the point, you can state that you've only had one account and that you no longer log in to it because you don't know the password, but you can't prove either of thise things. Perhaps you have multiple accounts, you can't prove you don't, just like I can't prove that you do. Perhaps you simply don't use the one you admit to having anymore because of, well, any number of reasons not relating to forgetting a password. Nobody can prove either way, and there's no sense bickering about it when there's code to be written and a wife to fuck.
So, gravity works differently for you? What I stated above is fact; that my laptop boots and loads an OSX VM faster than a mid-2011 MacBook Pro boots OSX natively is a fact, regardless of who you are. I didn't interject opinion into it by saying it was superior in any way other than booting to a useable OSX desktop faster, which is a fact. Likewise, the $400 price tag of my laptop and the $1200 price tag of my boss' MacBook Pro are, though estimated, factual information; the numbers on the reciepts aren't going to change if someone else reviews them, those are everyone's facts. It's a fact that my OSX VM craps out, at most, once per month, and the Macs in this office do the same, on average, 5x as often; some more often than the average, some less often than the average, all more often than my VM. Again, there is a factual basis for that statement and it does not include any opinion; set any user in front of those machines and they will see the same thing, I saw it myself and that's why I switched.
What fact in my statement was not, in fact, a fact? If a fact differs between two people, it is, indeed, an opinion. My statement was devoid of opinion. That is a fact.
Satellite C655 with an i3 and 4GB RAM out of the box, upgraded to 8GB of RAM after a while and popped a decent SSD in it a few months ago, but all-in-all it's been a great machine for the year-and-a-month I've owned it.
OSX? On AMD? Come on, I'm not retarded!
As for the VM? VMWare Workstation 8.
Everything I originally stated was factual, therefore, facts. These details are, as well.
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Filter error: Don't use so many caps. It's like YELLING.
If you can't take the heat, stay the fuck off my lawn.
I thought I smelled barbeque! I'll bring the beer!
And even so, a valid point was made; though, perhaps, not the point that was intended.
The fact is that your actions do reflect on the groups you belong to. They color one's perception of your friends, your family, the company you work for, the city, state, and country you live in, any social clubs you may be a member of, the school you went to, your race, your gender, and, indeed, your age group. Moreso, your actions reflect on humanity, itself. The degree to which your actions reflect on each particular group will vary, based on a number of factors, including, but not limited to: the size of the group, how well known the group is, how disruptive your actions are (disruption can be positive or negative), and how relevant those actions are to the group in question. In this case, since you're entering (starting, but, I digress) a conversation about ageism, your age group is the most prominent group in that list and your actions are quite noticeably disruptive, so they reflect strongly on that group.
There are exceptions to every rule. In this case, however, you are not the exception. Prove my wrong by comprehending and applying the above lesson. My generation is open to being proven wrong; is yours?
The part where you're refusing to do a damned thing about it.
My children will be home schooled until they are old enough to understand the importance of education and have learned how to learn on their own. At that point, they will be allowed to decide for themselves whether they want to attend public schools, a private school if I can afford it, or continue home schooling. This is one of many decisions my wife and I discussed and agreed upon *before* deciding to marry; of course, the vast majority of couples who marry don't take the realities of the future into consideration, so decisions like this are set aside "until they have to be made" and one or both parties gives in, not wanting to argue, and the kids end up in an "educational" system that doesn't teach them anything useful (amongst many other "easy way out" decisions that get made when a couple simply can't agree on things), or they end up in a single parent home.
I barely graduated; not because I didn't understand the material, not because I had no desire to succeed, but because I was spending my time learning things above and beyond what was being taught in the classroom, rather than doing the classwork. I passed tests, I aced midterms and finals, but I was too busy, after having run through the provided textbooks in the first month or so of the class, seeking new material and learning new things that were *not* being taught in class, to waste my time on the classwork. This is a direct resuly of being taught, at a young age, how to learn on my own; and it has been instrumental in my success. The more I think about it, the more I also see a strong correlation between the actual ability to learn independently and the ability and willingness to take responsibility for one's own life and actions. That's what's greatly lacking in the younger generations and, to some extent, ours, as well.
I know I've touched on several seemingly unrelated topics in this post and most readers are going to think I'm just all over the place. That's fine, all I ask is that you step back and take a look at the big picture, I'm probably not as far out there as you think I am.
In order for a person to be willing or able to take responsibility for something, they must first understand that thing. In order for someone to understand something, they must be able to learn; if they can only learn when things are explained to them, rather than on their own, then that thing must be explained in terms they already understand. We're breeding generations now that do not know how to learn, do not understand their own actions, and take no responsibility for those actions, or their own lives, as a result. It's a vicious circle that can only get worse, unless those of us who see it happening and are willing and able to take responsibility, who see what's happening, get off our asses and do something about it. That said, I'm not sure what I can do, beyond simply not raising my own kids that way and writing my congresscritters to beg for change; if anyone has any workable ideas, I'd love to hear them.
Then we are quite irresponsible.
As someone who's not far out of that age group, I get the same feeling.
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So, Gentoo with GNUstep on pretty much any non-sub-$500 laptop?
He can call me whatever he wants, I'm using the machine right now, I know I'm being honest.
As I repleid to another posted who "called me out" on this: I get called out on this a lot, but, strangely, nobody ever wants to come actually take a look for themselves when I offer it.
I have to go off topic to reply to your sig... I laugh at comedians and I buy tickets to their shows, so yes, it's possible there's some crossover. In my teens, I used to laugh at ICP's lyrics, and yes, there are two of their CDs in my collection. I've since grown up and now buy music that I enjoy for its musical qualities, rather than for humor or shock value (save for Richard Cheese, I love that motherfucker), but yeah... Teens (and people in general) tend to buy things that make them happy and laughter makes them happy, so of course they're secretly buying all the pop music they're laughing at.
Ahh, actually those CPU and load stats are from the CentOS host, though it's funny you jump right to assuming I'm reporting that data from one of the VM guests. Furthermore, my current project is very javascript-heavy, so it's not accurate to say that any of those prowsers are sitting idle in the background; and have you ever run coda? That bastard will eat CPU just sitting there if you've got SVN configured.
I never claimed a perfomance boost of any kind, that that, for the typical use case here in my office, it actually is faster in the VM than native. I also pointed to the possibility that this is due to my having stripped down this install of OSX for performance reasons (I did the same for Centos and Windows, as well, for the same reasons). In a different use case, or without the optimizations, I have little doubt that the quad core i7 in my boss' MacBook Pro would eat my laptop's lunch. My point was stability, and I think I made that point well, even if you want to argue other points. I threw in the other bits simply as points of interest.
That said, I'm eyeing a much nicer laptop that even the top of the line MBP available today won't touch performancewise, for half the price, including 1yr accidental damage warranty and 2yr parts and labor warranty, rivaling Apple Care. The only spec the MBP wins on is the retina display; that higher resolution display is not worth $2000 to me, moreso given the reduced performance that would come with the lower spec machine. I'll use that $2000 on a better monitor for when I'm tethered to my desk, better office chair, more network storage, or maybe just a few nights out. For my wife? She cares more about the aesthetic design of the system than raw performance, if she wants a MBP with retina display, it's hers. It works for her and she likes it, so I support that.
I'm not saying you're doing it (if you are, I'm not seeing it) but I think it's funny when Apple fans jump on me whenever I point out that my PC can do everything their Mac can do, for a fraction of the price. The only reason I touch OSX is for Coda, because, though it's a resource hog unlike anything I've ever seen, it's a freakin' slick editor, and a couple of image processing utilities that are nothing more than GUIs for FOSS packages I already have on CentOS, which I could easily replace with some BASH scripts or a quickly coded GUI of my own. I'm moving more and more toward using Aptana, though, so OSX might be seeing its way out soon. Good riddance given the direction Apple is taking with Lion and the upcoming Mountain Lion; pitty, I do quite like Snow Leopard, but once it's no longer supported with security updates, I'm out. Apple's new direction just doesn't jive with me, as a developer. My boss, proud owner of 5 iMacs, a MacBook Pro, and 2 (formerly 3, but I bought one) G4 PowerBooks, is starting to feel the same way; the Apple mindset is changing and it is quickly becomming incompatible with the work we do. I'll still have the G4 for testing things in OSX native Safari, but that's likely all the use it's gonna see.
Stock install of OSX, the EFI image came along with the VM image when I moved it from the Mac I created it on and Workstation 8 on the PC didn't complain. I wasn't sure it would work, but I figured it was worth a try; worked fine.
How's this for a measure of performance? Win7 with IE9, Chrome, Firefox, Safari, Fireworks CS 5.5, and Photoshop CS 5.5 open, pages loaded in the browsers and designs loaded in the Adobe apps. OSX with Chrome, Firefox, Safari, and Coda open, pages loaded in the browsers and multiple source files open in Coda. CentOS with VMWare Workstation, Chrome, Firefox, Skype, Thunderbird, and a couple terminals open, OSX and Win7 VMs open in VMware, pages open in the browsers, Skype making a voice call, Thunderbird managing two personal and one work email account, active SSH connections to dev and staging servers on the terminals. Load average? 1.61 for the last minute, 1.63 and 1.60 are the 5 and 15min LAs. 1.8GB of RAM free and just shy of 50MB of swap used (no swap used in either OSX of Win7 at the moment). CPU1: 17.0% CPU2: 19.8% CPU3: 8.9% CPU4: 47.2%. Yes, two of those cores are virtual (hyperthreading); no, I don't care. System is stable and responsive right now, as it always is.
How's that for a measure of performance?
It is now, but we haven't tested it since I installed the SSD 4mo ago.
Hmm... modded down as Flamebait for posting my own personal experience? I could see modding down for the cult reference, were that the point of the post, but come on, someone's being a bit too defensive and/or completely lacking any sense of homor regarding Flavor Aid. As someone who works in an office full of Macs, married a woman who refuses to touch a PC, and uses OSX 40+hr a week, willingly (I'm not forced to use Coda, I can use any editor I wish), for work, I'm not trying to drag Apple down or stain The Name Of The Jobs. Apple fans, consider that before you moderate.
M380 @ 2.53Ghz, actually. More to the point, I was as skeptical as you are, my boss and I redid the test a handful of times, in awe of the WTF that we had just witnessed. Also, no, I'm not using any "OSX Runner" (which turns up no relevant results on Google, BTW), I created the VM image (Snow Leopard, Server, 64-bit) on an OSX version of VMWare and moved it over to my laptop, where it ran just fine with minimal tweaking. Oh, and the tests were done using a properly shut down VM, booting into CentOS 6.2, not Windows (which runs in its own VM).
If anything, I'd attribute it to running a lean system. If I don't need it, it isn't loading, be it part of CentOS, Windows, or OSX. MAybe it's less impressive to say that I'm booting into a just-the-essentials Linux desktop, then loading a just-the-essentials OSX VM in less time than it takes to boot non-optimized OSX natively, but that's still 2 operating systems and a VM hypervisor and it's still on a slower CPU (when you consider cumulative speed of all cores). Since none of this process is graphics-intensive, the GPU specs really don't play into this.
I figured you got it, the followup was for everyone else :)
I get called out on it a lot, but, oddly, nobody ever wants to drop by and see it for themselves. Why?
Hahahaha you're so full of yourself. It's funny that you state that you can't trust someone else's word because they posted AC, but you insist on posting AC and think anyone really cares that you were able to spend hours compiling a list of every post you've ever made that was modded up. Some of us have better things to do; that's why I'm only dropping by to point this out, rather than spending way too much time to tear down every aspect of your flawed logic. Yes, it would be easy, but it would be too time consuming to cover all the bases and, as I've already stated, I have better things to do.
More to the point, you can state that you've only had one account and that you no longer log in to it because you don't know the password, but you can't prove either of thise things. Perhaps you have multiple accounts, you can't prove you don't, just like I can't prove that you do. Perhaps you simply don't use the one you admit to having anymore because of, well, any number of reasons not relating to forgetting a password. Nobody can prove either way, and there's no sense bickering about it when there's code to be written and a wife to fuck.
Ahh... exclude the non-sequitur cult reference, as that is neither fact nor opinion.
Err... Not the "you win" part... The humor.
Hahaha! It's threads like this that keep me coming back here.
So, gravity works differently for you? What I stated above is fact; that my laptop boots and loads an OSX VM faster than a mid-2011 MacBook Pro boots OSX natively is a fact, regardless of who you are. I didn't interject opinion into it by saying it was superior in any way other than booting to a useable OSX desktop faster, which is a fact. Likewise, the $400 price tag of my laptop and the $1200 price tag of my boss' MacBook Pro are, though estimated, factual information; the numbers on the reciepts aren't going to change if someone else reviews them, those are everyone's facts. It's a fact that my OSX VM craps out, at most, once per month, and the Macs in this office do the same, on average, 5x as often; some more often than the average, some less often than the average, all more often than my VM. Again, there is a factual basis for that statement and it does not include any opinion; set any user in front of those machines and they will see the same thing, I saw it myself and that's why I switched.
What fact in my statement was not, in fact, a fact? If a fact differs between two people, it is, indeed, an opinion. My statement was devoid of opinion. That is a fact.
Satellite C655 with an i3 and 4GB RAM out of the box, upgraded to 8GB of RAM after a while and popped a decent SSD in it a few months ago, but all-in-all it's been a great machine for the year-and-a-month I've owned it.
OSX? On AMD? Come on, I'm not retarded!
As for the VM? VMWare Workstation 8.
Everything I originally stated was factual, therefore, facts. These details are, as well.
Ha! My wife pulls in almost as much as I do. When I say *I* buy her a MacBook, I mean she pays for her own.