I was going to point out that you never claimed to not use Apple products, but then I re-read your post and it does strongly imply that you don't. Wording fail, but I think we're 100% in agreement.
I believe that someone at Apple misinterpreted Apple's own "established rules". The offer of a 3rd-party service (DropBox) not sold by the creator of the app (not DropBox) is no different than the ads in any other ad-supported app. DropBox's own app does use in-app purchasing for upgrades and the SDK does launch the DropBox app if it is present; if it is not, it acts just like any other 3rd party ad and launches the browser.
Personally, I would have it launch the iTunes store and take the user to the page where they can install the DropBox app, then launch that to complete an in-app purchase, but I'm not an iPhone developer, so I'm not even sure if that's possible (it is on Android, but that doesn't mean anything in the iPhone). I'm guessing it's not, since it's such an obvious solution to this "problem" that I can't imagine that DropBox didn't think of it already.
My point was that the reason for the downmod doesn't matter, since it was negated by the posting.
Also, where did they criticize anything? They posted a reply to a post that basically said "if you don't like a company's business practices, don't give them money", sarcastically pointing out that this was obvious and already being done. He wasn't downmidding someone who disagreed with him; on the contrary, he was voicing agreement (by stating that he was already doing what the posted suggested) and the downmod was clearly due to the obviousness of the statement, something I blatantly pointed out in my reply.
Since you can't seem to wrap your head around the real problem here, let me elaborate:
Nor does dropbox have to solicit business from an app _around_ the well defined process per established rules. They COULD stop short of sending people to their site, couldnt they?
They could, but then their SDK would essentially be useless. If you don't have a DropBox account and try to use an app that makes use of the DropBox SDK, what do you do? Read the documentation and learn that you must go to the DropBox website to create an account? That seems contrary to Apple's own "just works" mentality, while TAKING you to the correct place to complete this action is precisely the "Apple way of doing things". Nice and easy. Further, since it an SDK integrated into an app ostensibly not created or sold by DropBox, how exactly does DropBox get paid for in-app purchases? If the user does have the DropBox app installed, that app is launched and an in-app purchase is offered; the browser is only used when this is not an option.
They could also say hey, if you like to pay for your account upgrade here, its a 30% surcharge. Or absorb the difference. Or, in fact, offer a discount(!).
They actually can't, in a 3rd party app using their SDK, offer in-app purchases of their service and actually get paid for them; that money would go to the developer of the app making use of their SDK. This isn't a problem for their own app, which does allow in-app purchases, because they get paid for those. It is not possible for them to get paid for in-app purchases through a 3rd-party app; which is why ther app is launched for those purchases, if present, and, if their app is not present, a browser is launched instead.
This doesn't appear to actually violate any of Apple's policies, in reality. It is not the app vendor who is selling anything, it is the app vendor's provider (DropBox) for whom the app vendor is not able to collect payment. In the case of DropBox's own app, where DropBox is the one actually making the sale, that is done as an in-app purchase. That seems, to me, to follow the rules.
Hmm... that seems to fly in the face of my experience with eInk displays. I demonstrated the build quality of both a 1st gen Nook and a Nook SimpleTouch to my coworkers by whipping it across the office and bouncing it off of floors, walls, desks, and even one of my coworkers, without a case. Not a mark on either device after the abuse. That said, my ex did drop a pen off a table, onto her Nook, and it landed tip-down, leaving a nice little pit in the screen, which resulted in a small number of "stuck" pixels around the pit. Otherwise, the device worked fine.
People join the military for a variety of reasons. All have to ultimately decide that they are willing to go die to defend the nation and the constitution, should the need arise. In the process, they also end up having to go shoot at people our leaders don't like, which is less cool -- but please don't discount that willingness. It's a form of courage.
This poster made my point much more eloquently than I did.
I actually don't see it as either; I see it as typing a quick reply on a messageboard, making a typo, and not proofreading. It's either laziness, ignorance, or stupidity, and it's moronic to assume you know which one it is. Unless, of course, you're the one who made the error, then you probably know very well which of those was the cause.
Oh, forgot to add, this Republican voted Obana in '08 and Kerry in '04, and Gore in '00. Prior to that, I wasn't legal to vote. That's quite a Republican track record, eh?
Oh, wow, you have me pegged. I'm Republican, too, how did you know?
Or maybe you misread? To be clear, I support any politician who might have a chance at not fucking things up, be they Democrat, Republican, Libertarian, fuckin' Tea Party, whatever, who cares, they're all made up names that are supposed to scream "I'm different than those other guys" when the reality is they're all just more of the same.
Oh, that's right, Republican is the new Nigger. And we all know how well educated people who use that word typically are. Brilliant.
I never implied that our freedoms were (directly) at stake in any of our current conflicts. People do join the military to protect our freedom; whether or not that's what they're employed to do is another matter, entirely.
The parts of you not full of troll are... well, I'm not sure they exist.
I never implied that our freedoms were (directly) at stake in any of our current conflicts. People do join the military to protect our freedom; whether or not that's what they're employed to do is another matter, entirely.
I chose not to join the military precisely because I saw what was really happening. You, of all people, should be less than surprised to realize that the vast majority do not see what you and I see.
Support our troops who have elected to give up a portion of their lives (or the entirety thereof) to defend this country and your freedom. Support them for the sacrifices they have made for you, even if you don't support the orders they must carry out under penalty of treason.
These men and women signed their lives away to protect your lifestyle, knowing full well that they may be ordered to do things that will scar them for life; they did this to protect your lifestyle. It is true that many of the conflicts our troops engage in do nothing at all to protect our lifestyle (at least, nothing obvious to the average onlooker). But, those aren't the missions these people sign on for; those are the orders they must follow, under penalties of treason.
Yes, I fully fucking support our troops, even if I don't support the men leading them.
Group A - Currently in power, kills 100 kids per day, will continue doing so indefinitely.
Group B - Kills 0 kids per day. Can take Group A out, but might kill 1000 kids in the process.
So, you're saying Group B should sit on their hands? At day 10 of either scenario, 1000 kids have died; 1100 on day 11 if Group B doesn't act, still just 1000 if they do. Fuck you, get Group B off their asses.
I pirate media I've paid for because it often truly is a superior product. No DRM, I can install it on all of my computers (only one of which will it ever be used on at any given time), I can reinstall it as often as I want, and when the DRM servers are offline, I can still use it. This applies to software, music, books, and whatever other media.
If I happen to pirate some media I have not yet paid for, it is either because I can not find elsewhere to preview said media, or because I intend to purchase it when I have the disposable funds in order to do so. In the case of previewing, if I like it, I keep it, then I buy it; otherwise, I get rid of it.
I currently have one piece of pirated media that is not associated with a purchase, a copy of Image-Line FL Studio 10, which will be purchased in the next couple weeks. I'll even use the license I buy because I actually gain some benifit (access to online sample libraries and support) by doing so.
Modded overrated? Why? For speaking the truth? If you disagree, post a reply explaining why I'm wrong. I've personally used their Linux AV scanner for the last 5 years, to scan attachments on mail passing through my servers.
Dr. Web is a legitimate AV vendor; they have been providing AV solutions for Linux for years, mostly to scan for Windows viruses and, now, some OSX malware, as well. I think they might even detect some Linux threats, but I've as yet not encountered one.
the FBI have equipment that can clone disks without needing to even apply power to the drive.
Then they're in the wrong business. They need to start producing and selling these ultra-efficient disks that don't require power for read operations. Imagine the battery life on your laptop running one of THOSE!
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I was going to point out that you never claimed to not use Apple products, but then I re-read your post and it does strongly imply that you don't. Wording fail, but I think we're 100% in agreement.
I believe that someone at Apple misinterpreted Apple's own "established rules". The offer of a 3rd-party service (DropBox) not sold by the creator of the app (not DropBox) is no different than the ads in any other ad-supported app. DropBox's own app does use in-app purchasing for upgrades and the SDK does launch the DropBox app if it is present; if it is not, it acts just like any other 3rd party ad and launches the browser.
Personally, I would have it launch the iTunes store and take the user to the page where they can install the DropBox app, then launch that to complete an in-app purchase, but I'm not an iPhone developer, so I'm not even sure if that's possible (it is on Android, but that doesn't mean anything in the iPhone). I'm guessing it's not, since it's such an obvious solution to this "problem" that I can't imagine that DropBox didn't think of it already.
My point was that the reason for the downmod doesn't matter, since it was negated by the posting.
Also, where did they criticize anything? They posted a reply to a post that basically said "if you don't like a company's business practices, don't give them money", sarcastically pointing out that this was obvious and already being done. He wasn't downmidding someone who disagreed with him; on the contrary, he was voicing agreement (by stating that he was already doing what the posted suggested) and the downmod was clearly due to the obviousness of the statement, something I blatantly pointed out in my reply.
Since you can't seem to wrap your head around the real problem here, let me elaborate:
Nor does dropbox have to solicit business from an app _around_ the well defined process per established rules. They COULD stop short of sending people to their site, couldnt they?
They could, but then their SDK would essentially be useless. If you don't have a DropBox account and try to use an app that makes use of the DropBox SDK, what do you do? Read the documentation and learn that you must go to the DropBox website to create an account? That seems contrary to Apple's own "just works" mentality, while TAKING you to the correct place to complete this action is precisely the "Apple way of doing things". Nice and easy. Further, since it an SDK integrated into an app ostensibly not created or sold by DropBox, how exactly does DropBox get paid for in-app purchases? If the user does have the DropBox app installed, that app is launched and an in-app purchase is offered; the browser is only used when this is not an option.
They could also say hey, if you like to pay for your account upgrade here, its a 30% surcharge. Or absorb the difference. Or, in fact, offer a discount(!).
They actually can't, in a 3rd party app using their SDK, offer in-app purchases of their service and actually get paid for them; that money would go to the developer of the app making use of their SDK. This isn't a problem for their own app, which does allow in-app purchases, because they get paid for those. It is not possible for them to get paid for in-app purchases through a 3rd-party app; which is why ther app is launched for those purchases, if present, and, if their app is not present, a browser is launched instead.
This doesn't appear to actually violate any of Apple's policies, in reality. It is not the app vendor who is selling anything, it is the app vendor's provider (DropBox) for whom the app vendor is not able to collect payment. In the case of DropBox's own app, where DropBox is the one actually making the sale, that is done as an in-app purchase. That seems, to me, to follow the rules.
Does it matter? He forgot to post anonymously and so undid his moderation anyway. Also, there's no -1, Obvious or I'd have modded down as well.
Well, yeah, like your iPad wouldn't get scratched to all hell in the same situation. Set your bag down wrong and that screen is completely shattered.
It's not a build quality issue, the devices were mistreated. Period.
Hmm... that seems to fly in the face of my experience with eInk displays. I demonstrated the build quality of both a 1st gen Nook and a Nook SimpleTouch to my coworkers by whipping it across the office and bouncing it off of floors, walls, desks, and even one of my coworkers, without a case. Not a mark on either device after the abuse. That said, my ex did drop a pen off a table, onto her Nook, and it landed tip-down, leaving a nice little pit in the screen, which resulted in a small number of "stuck" pixels around the pit. Otherwise, the device worked fine.
To quote gknoy, who replied before you:
People join the military for a variety of reasons. All have to ultimately decide that they are willing to go die to defend the nation and the constitution, should the need arise. In the process, they also end up having to go shoot at people our leaders don't like, which is less cool -- but please don't discount that willingness. It's a form of courage.
This poster made my point much more eloquently than I did.
I think I like you. You seem to understand reality in a way most people I encounter just can't seem to grasp.
I actually don't see it as either; I see it as typing a quick reply on a messageboard, making a typo, and not proofreading. It's either laziness, ignorance, or stupidity, and it's moronic to assume you know which one it is. Unless, of course, you're the one who made the error, then you probably know very well which of those was the cause.
So, you're saying it was the bankers' black souls, and not their Black-Scholes, that caused all of this?
Oh, forgot to add, this Republican voted Obana in '08 and Kerry in '04, and Gore in '00. Prior to that, I wasn't legal to vote. That's quite a Republican track record, eh?
Oh, wow, you have me pegged. I'm Republican, too, how did you know?
Or maybe you misread? To be clear, I support any politician who might have a chance at not fucking things up, be they Democrat, Republican, Libertarian, fuckin' Tea Party, whatever, who cares, they're all made up names that are supposed to scream "I'm different than those other guys" when the reality is they're all just more of the same.
Oh, that's right, Republican is the new Nigger. And we all know how well educated people who use that word typically are. Brilliant.
I never implied that our freedoms were (directly) at stake in any of our current conflicts. People do join the military to protect our freedom; whether or not that's what they're employed to do is another matter, entirely.
The parts of you not full of troll are... well, I'm not sure they exist.
Way to crop the context out of the quote, dick.
I never implied that our freedoms were (directly) at stake in any of our current conflicts. People do join the military to protect our freedom; whether or not that's what they're employed to do is another matter, entirely.
I chose not to join the military precisely because I saw what was really happening. You, of all people, should be less than surprised to realize that the vast majority do not see what you and I see.
Or just naive.
You're the dipshit, still.
Support our troops who have elected to give up a portion of their lives (or the entirety thereof) to defend this country and your freedom. Support them for the sacrifices they have made for you, even if you don't support the orders they must carry out under penalty of treason.
These men and women signed their lives away to protect your lifestyle, knowing full well that they may be ordered to do things that will scar them for life; they did this to protect your lifestyle. It is true that many of the conflicts our troops engage in do nothing at all to protect our lifestyle (at least, nothing obvious to the average onlooker). But, those aren't the missions these people sign on for; those are the orders they must follow, under penalties of treason.
Yes, I fully fucking support our troops, even if I don't support the men leading them.
Group A - Currently in power, kills 100 kids per day, will continue doing so indefinitely.
Group B - Kills 0 kids per day. Can take Group A out, but might kill 1000 kids in the process.
So, you're saying Group B should sit on their hands? At day 10 of either scenario, 1000 kids have died; 1100 on day 11 if Group B doesn't act, still just 1000 if they do. Fuck you, get Group B off their asses.
You're thinking MP3, MPEG-1, Layer 3.
I pirate media I've paid for because it often truly is a superior product. No DRM, I can install it on all of my computers (only one of which will it ever be used on at any given time), I can reinstall it as often as I want, and when the DRM servers are offline, I can still use it. This applies to software, music, books, and whatever other media.
If I happen to pirate some media I have not yet paid for, it is either because I can not find elsewhere to preview said media, or because I intend to purchase it when I have the disposable funds in order to do so. In the case of previewing, if I like it, I keep it, then I buy it; otherwise, I get rid of it.
I currently have one piece of pirated media that is not associated with a purchase, a copy of Image-Line FL Studio 10, which will be purchased in the next couple weeks. I'll even use the license I buy because I actually gain some benifit (access to online sample libraries and support) by doing so.
They are out to protect the consumer or patient in the same way the MPAA is out to protect movie viewers. It's the same.
One's trying to protect you from bad medical and nutritional advice, the other's trying to protect you from bad movies.
</sarcasm>
Both are failing. Hard.
Modded overrated? Why? For speaking the truth? If you disagree, post a reply explaining why I'm wrong. I've personally used their Linux AV scanner for the last 5 years, to scan attachments on mail passing through my servers.
Dr. Web is a legitimate AV vendor; they have been providing AV solutions for Linux for years, mostly to scan for Windows viruses and, now, some OSX malware, as well. I think they might even detect some Linux threats, but I've as yet not encountered one.
Inorite? Isn't it more like 500 coffee shops per infected Mac?
My hackintosh gets all the updates.
the FBI have equipment that can clone disks without needing to even apply power to the drive.
Then they're in the wrong business. They need to start producing and selling these ultra-efficient disks that don't require power for read operations. Imagine the battery life on your laptop running one of THOSE!