Pete Kyriacou, Microsoft's general manager of Surface Engineering, said in a statement provided to The Verge: "Just like anything luxury that you buy, like great handbags or a pair of shoes or even expensive cars, there is a care that's needed for the device. And so from the materials perspective, we will ask customers -- specifically customers who might stain it or drop something on it -- to go ahead and wipe that right away. There's a simple way of doing that with a microfiber with a soap and water solution on it. You don't need any special chemical and you can wipe it off. Then just care [for it in the same way] that would go into anything that luxurious. That's more of a periodical thing, not super frequent, something you might look at doing every six months or something. And so if you think of the livelihood of this laptop, somewhere between four and five years, it's not that often you have to do it in terms of taking care of it."
Emphasis mine. Unless Engineering management is a branch of Marketing now, this wasn't just some Marketing wank speaking and, while I don't really trust Slashdot's editorial staff to do a whole lot of real editing, there is plenty of context in that quote that I don't think even they could have fucked it up that badly.
Well, you're generally correct. The problem is that, when everyone has to check their laptops, there will be many such batteries in close proximity where they can chain-react.
I'm almost certain a damp paper towel would do the trick just the same. The benefit of microfiber is that it's lint-free, so you don't have to go back and pick up little bits of towel afterward.
Almost every piece of equipment you buy recommends cleaning with soap and water, right down to the last 5 laptops I've owned. Now, if I could just figure out why they stopped working after I ran them through the dishwasher...
When I can buy a bag of 5 multi-use (e.g. not throwaway) microfiber cloths at a dollar store, for literally $1, I'd hardly call them special. They're also in the cleaning supplies aisle at Walmart. You can get them at practically every grocery store, auto parts stores dedicate entire bays to them, and I'm pretty sure I saw one on the shelf at 7-11 the other day.
Suede you don't have to care for like suede is a luxury if you like the look and feel of suede but hate caring for suede. That's what Alcantara is: suede you don't have to care for like suede. And they basically nailed the look and feel, as well as the strength and durability, so I'd call that a win for the synthetics.
The feel of that fabric is much nicer than that of plastic or metal, which may well be why they used it. I don't own the device myself, but I have played with one for a bit; I prefer the physical keyboard cover, rather than the touch cover (which is the one with the fabric) because I prefer physical keys, but if I could get a keyboard for my Dell 7275 covered in that fabric, I probably would. It really does feel nice.
Bingo. Hell, my wife manages to keep her entire collection of handbags safe from our two cats, which is a feat in and of itself. The average life of one of her handbags far outlives the amount of time her and I have known each other which, itself, exceeds the expected lifetime of the Surface as explained by Microsoft. She's not exactly the type to fanatically care for her things, either, if you know what I mean.
That is to say, she's lazy and she'll admit it. If she can take care of her things, so can everyone else. I don't see what the big deal is with "if you spill something on it, wipe it off" and "maybe think about cleaning it a couple times a year" but, then, we do live in a world where people complain when the engine in their car blows after 20k miles on factory oil.
Shit, I wipe my phone screen several times a day and Lexol my $120 leather messenger bag monthly though I may only carry it once or twice a month. I suppose my monthly keyboard cleanings (de-crumbings, that is) are also too much for most people?
We really and truly have become a throw-away society, haven't we?
Indeed, when you're hiring people who will do what you want rather than what you need, it is trivial to replace the cogs. However, when you find that one person who is willing to stand up to what you want and do what you need instead, you do miss them when they're gone. I've seen the evidence of this myself and I'm living it as we speak. I left the company and now have a higher gross income than the company I left, in part due to contracts they begrudgingly sought when, despite having no trouble filling my position with someone who would give them what they wanted the realized nobody else knew what they actually needed.
I walked away clean, they sought me two years later.
Some people truly do bring more value than their work.
You make the following incorrect assumptions: A) that I work for someone other than myself and B) that it wasn't that very mindset that got me to where I am today.
Two and a half years ago, I replaced my boss with myself. My boss, on the other hand, filled me position but did not replace me. In fact, I've been hearing on a weekly basis from a friend of mine who still works for the company (in a much different role) that ideas and policies I pushed for while I was employed there are being implemented, bug fixes I provide (I still work on the same codebase, just not for them anymore; reporting security vulnerabilities is the responsible thing to do even if I'm not paid for them) are being tested and implemented and, to top it off, I contract my design team out to them despite having their own in-house designer.
Tell me, as I easily replaced my former boss and he has, to this day, not replaced me, how is my mindset wrong?
Or, maybe I am happy with the job but my salary has not kept pace with my cost of living. Rather than seek alternate employment, perhaps I'd rather seek to make it possible to keep the job that I like without having to reduce my quality of living which, then, would cause me to not like the job.
If you shitcan me for that, well, rest assured that you're just as replaceable as you think I am and keep in mind that I network. A lot. Good luck finding a competent replacement for me once word gets out.
You connect to the IP address on port 443 and, well, wouldn't ya know it, you're presented with the site's public certificate which, in turn, identifies the site. Aside from that, do you really thing the NSA (as in my example) doesn't know the IP address of every public-facing server hosting somesitethensacaresabout.net?
Next, we'll have Austria invading countries that offend their sensibilities and, of course, they'll be compared to the USA for doing so. And rightly so, I suppose; after all, when we do it, it's not like we're overthrowing a murderous dictator or putting a stop to the development of chemical, biological, or nuclear weapons that might be used against us, or any other country who'd rather roast us for getting involved rather than backing our protection of their interests.
Of course, the US is involved in some pretty fucked up stuff, as well; I'm not claiming we're perfect and fault-free. But really, when Austria starts invading countries over stupid shit like this, please don't go comparing them to the US. Remember what has come out of Austria in the past, all the hate and death and suffering, the invasion of neighboring countries that resulted.
Coming full circle, getting back on topic, please remember that all of this was the result of banning political dissent under the guise of "hate speech".
Indeed, some snowflakes are so special they can't email or IM me and wait until I'm not busy to find out whether I want to go to lunch with them in 2 hours. They're so special, in fact, that they have to come tap me on the shoulder to ask, because they have to know right now.
By the time I hear what it is you're interrupting me for and apply the mental capacity required to determine that it's not urgent enough to have warranted interrupting me, the mental model I' was working on has already fallen apart. That, of course, doesn't mean you won't be told to fuck off as I might as well help you now that I've been pulled off of what I was doing; rather, I want to immediately get back to building that model, before it entirely disintegrates, so I can get back to being productive in 5-10 minutes rather than 30-45.
Sensible adults don't need to be told this more than once so, no, it's not a problem for sensible adults.
Actually, as supported by evidence (e.g. the post you quoted, which I linked to), the "something else" you're claiming I'm just now saying was said in the very same post you are quoting out of context. That was my entire point.
Reading through that conversation again did remind me of something, though. I shouldn't be speaking with the dead so, good day, sir. Enjoy the afterlife.
prior to that you could only host a single SSL/TLS-enabled web site on any given IPv4's tcp/443.
Which, of course, meant that knowing which IP address someone was communicating with using SSL also meant knowing which site they were visiting. Now, with SNI, you need more than the packet headers to determine which site someone is talking to.
It's no more or less secure, the same number of attack vectors exist, and with the same difficulty of attack; the attack surface just looks different now. That you can see the new attack vector but completely missed the old one does not change that.
So I see you're talking to an IP address that is known to only host somesitethensacaresabout.net, I then know you're talking to somesitethensacaresabout.net and can go ahead and forge a certificate for that site, poison your DNS, and inject myself in the middle. That's before SNI, and still today for sites not utilizing SNI.
Today? I see you're talking to an IP address that is known to host somesitethensacaresabout.net, anothersitethensadoesntcareabout.com, yetanothersitethensadoesntcareabout.com, onemoresitethensadoesntcareabout.com, additionalsitethensadoesntcareabout.com, someothersitethensadoesntcareabout.com, and stillanothersitethensadoesntcareabout.com, along with dozens of others. I can't guess which site you're trying to reach, so I either have to obtain certificates for all of them and *severely* poison your DNS (with dozens of falsified entries) and hope you're talking to the site I actually care about, or skip the certificates initially and just severely poison your DNS to see which site you're talking to (at which point you'll know something is up because your connections will fail due to lack of a proper certificate) before bothering to get a certificate.
One of those is a fair bit more work and much easier to detect.
Why don't we just quote the entire post? That gives a lot mofe context regarding what lead up to that comment, as well as what followed
Such a "trustworthy" guy you are, no? The thread that comment came from, and what your troll brigade did to my karma immediately following it (which I recovered from in less than a week, mind you, because people seem to actually like having me here for whatever reason), really bear out how much trust you and your software deserve.
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Pete Kyriacou, Microsoft's general manager of Surface Engineering, said in a statement provided to The Verge: "Just like anything luxury that you buy, like great handbags or a pair of shoes or even expensive cars, there is a care that's needed for the device. And so from the materials perspective, we will ask customers -- specifically customers who might stain it or drop something on it -- to go ahead and wipe that right away. There's a simple way of doing that with a microfiber with a soap and water solution on it. You don't need any special chemical and you can wipe it off. Then just care [for it in the same way] that would go into anything that luxurious. That's more of a periodical thing, not super frequent, something you might look at doing every six months or something. And so if you think of the livelihood of this laptop, somewhere between four and five years, it's not that often you have to do it in terms of taking care of it."
Emphasis mine. Unless Engineering management is a branch of Marketing now, this wasn't just some Marketing wank speaking and, while I don't really trust Slashdot's editorial staff to do a whole lot of real editing, there is plenty of context in that quote that I don't think even they could have fucked it up that badly.
Well, you're generally correct. The problem is that, when everyone has to check their laptops, there will be many such batteries in close proximity where they can chain-react.
You might feel silly when you finish reading the thread...
I'm almost certain a damp paper towel would do the trick just the same. The benefit of microfiber is that it's lint-free, so you don't have to go back and pick up little bits of towel afterward.
Almost every piece of equipment you buy recommends cleaning with soap and water, right down to the last 5 laptops I've owned. Now, if I could just figure out why they stopped working after I ran them through the dishwasher...
Perhaps that's why managers like them: job security.
When I can buy a bag of 5 multi-use (e.g. not throwaway) microfiber cloths at a dollar store, for literally $1, I'd hardly call them special. They're also in the cleaning supplies aisle at Walmart. You can get them at practically every grocery store, auto parts stores dedicate entire bays to them, and I'm pretty sure I saw one on the shelf at 7-11 the other day.
Suede you don't have to care for like suede is a luxury if you like the look and feel of suede but hate caring for suede. That's what Alcantara is: suede you don't have to care for like suede. And they basically nailed the look and feel, as well as the strength and durability, so I'd call that a win for the synthetics.
This...... actually sounds like a good plan. Those of us who want control over our updates could just not clean our computers.
And that time is every bit as "white knuckle" as the time spend driving a Porsche, I'm sure.
The feel of that fabric is much nicer than that of plastic or metal, which may well be why they used it. I don't own the device myself, but I have played with one for a bit; I prefer the physical keyboard cover, rather than the touch cover (which is the one with the fabric) because I prefer physical keys, but if I could get a keyboard for my Dell 7275 covered in that fabric, I probably would. It really does feel nice.
Bingo. Hell, my wife manages to keep her entire collection of handbags safe from our two cats, which is a feat in and of itself. The average life of one of her handbags far outlives the amount of time her and I have known each other which, itself, exceeds the expected lifetime of the Surface as explained by Microsoft. She's not exactly the type to fanatically care for her things, either, if you know what I mean.
That is to say, she's lazy and she'll admit it. If she can take care of her things, so can everyone else. I don't see what the big deal is with "if you spill something on it, wipe it off" and "maybe think about cleaning it a couple times a year" but, then, we do live in a world where people complain when the engine in their car blows after 20k miles on factory oil.
Shit, I wipe my phone screen several times a day and Lexol my $120 leather messenger bag monthly though I may only carry it once or twice a month. I suppose my monthly keyboard cleanings (de-crumbings, that is) are also too much for most people?
We really and truly have become a throw-away society, haven't we?
You assume the business unit isn't the whole business.
Indeed, when you're hiring people who will do what you want rather than what you need, it is trivial to replace the cogs. However, when you find that one person who is willing to stand up to what you want and do what you need instead, you do miss them when they're gone. I've seen the evidence of this myself and I'm living it as we speak. I left the company and now have a higher gross income than the company I left, in part due to contracts they begrudgingly sought when, despite having no trouble filling my position with someone who would give them what they wanted the realized nobody else knew what they actually needed.
I walked away clean, they sought me two years later.
Some people truly do bring more value than their work.
and keeping this mindset is to your detriment
You make the following incorrect assumptions: A) that I work for someone other than myself and B) that it wasn't that very mindset that got me to where I am today.
Two and a half years ago, I replaced my boss with myself. My boss, on the other hand, filled me position but did not replace me. In fact, I've been hearing on a weekly basis from a friend of mine who still works for the company (in a much different role) that ideas and policies I pushed for while I was employed there are being implemented, bug fixes I provide (I still work on the same codebase, just not for them anymore; reporting security vulnerabilities is the responsible thing to do even if I'm not paid for them) are being tested and implemented and, to top it off, I contract my design team out to them despite having their own in-house designer.
Tell me, as I easily replaced my former boss and he has, to this day, not replaced me, how is my mindset wrong?
Or, maybe I am happy with the job but my salary has not kept pace with my cost of living. Rather than seek alternate employment, perhaps I'd rather seek to make it possible to keep the job that I like without having to reduce my quality of living which, then, would cause me to not like the job.
If you shitcan me for that, well, rest assured that you're just as replaceable as you think I am and keep in mind that I network. A lot. Good luck finding a competent replacement for me once word gets out.
You connect to the IP address on port 443 and, well, wouldn't ya know it, you're presented with the site's public certificate which, in turn, identifies the site. Aside from that, do you really thing the NSA (as in my example) doesn't know the IP address of every public-facing server hosting somesitethensacaresabout.net?
I see why you posted anonymously.
3D chess
final solution
Not sure if Star Trek reference or Godwin's Law.
To further that point:
Next, we'll have Austria invading countries that offend their sensibilities and, of course, they'll be compared to the USA for doing so. And rightly so, I suppose; after all, when we do it, it's not like we're overthrowing a murderous dictator or putting a stop to the development of chemical, biological, or nuclear weapons that might be used against us, or any other country who'd rather roast us for getting involved rather than backing our protection of their interests.
Of course, the US is involved in some pretty fucked up stuff, as well; I'm not claiming we're perfect and fault-free. But really, when Austria starts invading countries over stupid shit like this, please don't go comparing them to the US. Remember what has come out of Austria in the past, all the hate and death and suffering, the invasion of neighboring countries that resulted.
Coming full circle, getting back on topic, please remember that all of this was the result of banning political dissent under the guise of "hate speech".
Sounds like you're working with people who know the difference between an emergency and a waste of time. Kudos to you, might I ask where you work?
Indeed, some snowflakes are so special they can't email or IM me and wait until I'm not busy to find out whether I want to go to lunch with them in 2 hours. They're so special, in fact, that they have to come tap me on the shoulder to ask, because they have to know right now.
By the time I hear what it is you're interrupting me for and apply the mental capacity required to determine that it's not urgent enough to have warranted interrupting me, the mental model I' was working on has already fallen apart. That, of course, doesn't mean you won't be told to fuck off as I might as well help you now that I've been pulled off of what I was doing; rather, I want to immediately get back to building that model, before it entirely disintegrates, so I can get back to being productive in 5-10 minutes rather than 30-45.
Sensible adults don't need to be told this more than once so, no, it's not a problem for sensible adults.
You say 1 thing quoted above & now something else
Actually, as supported by evidence (e.g. the post you quoted, which I linked to), the "something else" you're claiming I'm just now saying was said in the very same post you are quoting out of context. That was my entire point.
Reading through that conversation again did remind me of something, though. I shouldn't be speaking with the dead so, good day, sir. Enjoy the afterlife.
prior to that you could only host a single SSL/TLS-enabled web site on any given IPv4's tcp/443.
Which, of course, meant that knowing which IP address someone was communicating with using SSL also meant knowing which site they were visiting. Now, with SNI, you need more than the packet headers to determine which site someone is talking to.
It's no more or less secure, the same number of attack vectors exist, and with the same difficulty of attack; the attack surface just looks different now. That you can see the new attack vector but completely missed the old one does not change that.
So I see you're talking to an IP address that is known to only host somesitethensacaresabout.net, I then know you're talking to somesitethensacaresabout.net and can go ahead and forge a certificate for that site, poison your DNS, and inject myself in the middle. That's before SNI, and still today for sites not utilizing SNI.
Today? I see you're talking to an IP address that is known to host somesitethensacaresabout.net, anothersitethensadoesntcareabout.com, yetanothersitethensadoesntcareabout.com, onemoresitethensadoesntcareabout.com, additionalsitethensadoesntcareabout.com, someothersitethensadoesntcareabout.com, and stillanothersitethensadoesntcareabout.com, along with dozens of others. I can't guess which site you're trying to reach, so I either have to obtain certificates for all of them and *severely* poison your DNS (with dozens of falsified entries) and hope you're talking to the site I actually care about, or skip the certificates initially and just severely poison your DNS to see which site you're talking to (at which point you'll know something is up because your connections will fail due to lack of a proper certificate) before bothering to get a certificate.
One of those is a fair bit more work and much easier to detect.
Why don't we just quote the entire post ? That gives a lot mofe context regarding what lead up to that comment, as well as what followed
Such a "trustworthy" guy you are, no? The thread that comment came from, and what your troll brigade did to my karma immediately following it (which I recovered from in less than a week, mind you, because people seem to actually like having me here for whatever reason), really bear out how much trust you and your software deserve.