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Ask Slashdot: How To Improve At Work When You're Not Getting Feedback?

An anonymous reader writes: Too many managers avoid giving any kind of feedback, regardless of whether it's positive or negative. If you work for a boss who doesn't provide feedback, it's easy to feel rudderless. It can be especially disorienting if you're new in the role, new to the company, or a recent graduate new to the workforce. In the absence of specific guidance, is there any way to know what the average boss would want you to work on? What would you advise someone who works in IT, engineering, coding, designing or any similar industry?

222 comments

  1. No need by Mycroft-X · · Score: 4, Funny

    No feedback means you are awesome and there is no room for improvement. If people have a problem with you it's just that -- their problem. If you are the problem they'll tell you in a clear. actionable and constructive way.

    1. Re:No need by TWX · · Score: 4, Insightful

      No it doesn't.

      "No feedback," means something different to every relationship at work and is based on the nature of both the superior and the subordinate.

      Terrible manager, no feedback could mean that the manager doesn't actually want to do their job. I've seen this firsthand, and the problem lingered for many years. It was made worse because the manager was friends with his boss, so his boss didn't bother to push to uncover what was going on in the section.

      Could easily also mean that the manager is scared of repercussions for doing the job, or feels that it's just easier to ignore the problems. This can be the end-result when the previous kind of terrible manager doesn't document or do honest evaluations of employees. It can also play into problems with employees that belong to suspect classes- if the boss doesn't document problems with employees generally, then it's much harder to get rid of problem employees, and it's even harder if the problem employee happens to belong to a suspect class. That documentation on employee performance and a paper-trail of guidance and review is what allows an employer to promote or terminate without having to face accusations of discrimination.

      There's only so much an employee can do to get feedback, and the myriad of factors (everything from the nature of the job to the physical layout of the employee work area relative to the boss) determines what that employee can try. I know I can walk over to my boss' office to talk, and I usually do talk a couple of times a week to go over projects and timetables, etc. I also document by-email, we're required to submit status logs of what we've been doing anyway so I just fill mine out stream-of-consciousness as I work and edit down to something usable at the end of the week, keeps him informed so he knows what's going on.

      Try to communicate with the boss, but it's as much on the boss as it is on the worker.

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    2. Re:No need by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You can easily find out what no feedback means in your particular case; just ask for a raise, and see what happens.

    3. Re:No need by nitehawk214 · · Score: 2

      Probably true. Most managers only give negative feedback.

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    4. Re:No need by __aaclcg7560 · · Score: 1

      That's generally true at my job. Except for the one time my boss called me up to praise me before giving me a blotched printer mitigation project that I could get me fired. Of course, I'm a miracle worker and got the job done.

    5. Re:No need by fabriciom · · Score: 1

      Asking for a raise can easily get you canned and replaced.

    6. Re:No need by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

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    7. Re:No need by fabriciom · · Score: 1

      Who ever is on top of your boss does not know what you are doing. So if your boos is screwing up it means you are screwing up. Better get a clear picture by talking with your boss because when they start cleaning house the last one in the chain of command is who gets canned/replaced.

    8. Re:No need by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Here's a theory to add to the pile: They don't want to come up with low fruit.

      "I've met and exceeded all my stretch goals and feedback and blah blah blah and that is simple, clear evidence I deserve the promotion over Other Guy."

    9. Re:No need by cayenne8 · · Score: 1
      Look....

      Are you getting paid?

      Are you getting raises and/or promotions?

      If yes to one or both of those, you are doing fine. You have to get use to the fact that no one out there has the time nor is interested in validating you and your self esteem. That's for young snowflakes...is the real big, bad world...no one really cares.

      If you are fucking up, they'll let you know. If you really need feed back...GO ASK someone about your work and what they might suggest.

      It is NOT their job to go out of their way and give you positive feedback.

      Goodness...this is another side effect, I fear, of the snowflake generation that was overly coddled, and helicoptered over and validated at every step in their childhood lives.

      The real world doesn't work that way...if you can't validate yourself, they you need to learn to. Surely if you got a higher level job, you are smart enough to learn to research on your own, network with your co-workers to ask them questions and even go to your boss (after you start with the other two levels) and figure it out for yourself.

      If you're not getting yelled at or fired, you're doing just fine.

      Otherwise you'll find out rather quickly.

      Sheesh...this used to be common sense.

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    10. Re:No need by tlambert · · Score: 2

      Asking for a raise can easily get you feedback.

      FTFY. You're welcome.

    11. Re:No need by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That was kind of the point.

    12. Re:No need by fabriciom · · Score: 1

      What if you like your job and it pays well?

    13. Re:No need by Penguinisto · · Score: 3, Interesting

      If you're not getting yelled at or fired, you're doing just fine.

      ...or you're stagnating, and 10 years later when you finally get laid off due to cuts from high above, you'll find yourself hopelessly outdated and lost as hell in job interviews.

      I guess the point is, it's not simple validation sometimes, it's mentorship, it's a chance to let the boss know what you're up to so he/she can put you on interesting problems later down the road, or even put you on to opportunities that may come along which are more suited to your desired career path.

      Any boss who is non-communicative, let alone not do any of these things for their employees, is completely worthless.

      I mean shit man, I don't beg for daily praise/criticism, but I do want to know at least once in awhile if my initiatives and work are truly taking the company where it needs to go...

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    14. Re:No need by fabriciom · · Score: 2

      If you work for me and ask me for a raise you will get some feedback but I will also start looking for a replacement. First off if the raise is approved you might not handle the added workload and will want to leave or if its not approved and you start looking for another job. In any case your replacement contingency plan will be set in motion and unless you are awesome at your job you will probably end up getting canned because of the added attention and because you are obviously not too happy with your job.

    15. Re:No need by swb · · Score: 1

      Worse yet, I've seen managers for whom "feedback" is merely a euphemism for "criticism" and often believe that it requires blowing some issues out of proportion if not fabricating them completely in order to have an ample supply of criticism. The apparent purpose being to create the idea in the employee's mind that they are just barely doing an acceptable job, should work harder, and should not ask for a raise/promotion.

      "Praise" is reserved for totally above-and-beyond behavior that should actually be compensated financially, but won't be, because you got praise instead.

      Doing the job right all the time is just expected, you don't get praise for that. Which I think is sort of a mistake, actually. It shouldn't be over the top, but employees should receive some kind of positive feedback when they're doing a decent job.

      Where I work now they give out these lame awards once a year and it's always obvious they are totally political, with the winners only winning because they brown nose hard. It has the opposite effect.

    16. Re:No need by __aaclcg7560 · · Score: 2

      First off if the raise is approved you might not handle the added workload and will want to leave or if its not approved and you start looking for another job.

      That's the same canard I heard at Cisco when I asked about training. My manager could approve training to help me do my job better, but then I'll used the training to get another job at a competitor and make him look bad. Never mind that a lack training was why most employees trained themselves on Cisco certifications and get a job somewhere else. Corporate dysfunction at its best.

    17. Re:No need by __aaclcg7560 · · Score: 1

      If you are fucking up, they'll let you know.

      At my job that would be your Windows accounts (regular and admin) not working, your badge deactivated and no one in management returning your phone calls. If you call the help desk, they will confirm that your termination ticket is being processed. Eventually security shows to escort you out of the building.

    18. Re:No need by fabriciom · · Score: 1

      Companies don't give a rat ass about you and people in charge will always cover their back before thinking of you. I also got a similar response when I tried updating my MCSD through my last employer. Needles to see I do not work there any more.

    19. Re:No need by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Don't worry, I'd leave first. Sounds like you're a horrible bos

    20. Re:No need by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Then don't ask?

    21. Re:No need by Frobnicator · · Score: 4, Insightful

      That's the difficult thing. It is all about the relationship and the environment.

      In bad environments asking for a raise gets you fired. Asking for training (even if the company says they encourage it) gets you fired. Doing anything ambitious gets you fired, or have the things taken without credit. This type of company also fires people immediately if they make a mistake that has a cost.

      In good environments asking for a raise starts a discussion that can get you money. Asking for training (even when the company has never encouraged it) can get one person or even a team of people some training. Being ambitious is rewarded openly and and given cautious praise: that in addition to doing the regular duties you also did the thing on the side. This type of company generally retains people who make costly mistakes who are also contrite and appear to learn the lesson; leaders know the company pays for the learning experience either way, the question is if they will retain the student of life's hard lessons.

      The first type of company is the one to flee. The second is the type to cherish. If you don't know what to look for it is easy to miss the signs when finding the job.

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    22. Re:No need by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What about if they ask what they need to achieve going forward for a raise?

    23. Re:No need by fabriciom · · Score: 1

      There is a contingency plan for that.

    24. Re:No need by BronsCon · · Score: 1

      Or, maybe I am happy with the job but my salary has not kept pace with my cost of living. Rather than seek alternate employment, perhaps I'd rather seek to make it possible to keep the job that I like without having to reduce my quality of living which, then, would cause me to not like the job.

      If you shitcan me for that, well, rest assured that you're just as replaceable as you think I am and keep in mind that I network. A lot. Good luck finding a competent replacement for me once word gets out.

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    25. Re:No need by Anon-Admin · · Score: 2

      You sound like a boss I used to have.

      He once told me "I can replace you at moments notice!" He was surprised when I said "Let's see if you can." and started packing up my desk.

      The outcome was,
      In 48 hours I had two job offers on the table.
      In 6 months the position was still open and unfilled.

      An Asshole boss will always be an asshole boss. It is best to simply find a new boss that is not an asshole.

    26. Re:No need by TWX · · Score: 1

      Good luck finding a competent replacement for me once word gets out.

      While I can appreciate your sentiment that a boss is just as replaceable as an employee, you're flat-out incorrect about your being able to make an appreciable dent in the employer's ability to find perspective employees, and keeping this mindset is to your detriment.

      There are a lot of people that work in technical industries at capacities below their capabilities. Those people would gladly step into your job and I'm sure that the boss could find someone else that could do the job. Might not be the first candidate or even the fifth, but don't assume that you're special or that you hold some power that you really don't have.

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    27. Re:No need by phantomfive · · Score: 2

      If you work for me and ask me for a raise you will get some feedback but I will also start looking for a replacement.

      I already know what kind of people work for you: the kind that are too afraid of change to leave. Anyone good with a modicum of self-confidence has already left, and your office is a soul-sucking place to be. Experienced, skillful people can screen you out a mile away, and don't make it through the job-hiring process.

      There's some feedback, and it's free. You didn't even have to pay me.

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      "First they came for the slanderers and i said nothing."
    28. Re:No need by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Sounds like it's contingency plans within contingency plans within contingency plans.

      The TPS reports must flow!

    29. Re:No need by BronsCon · · Score: 1

      and keeping this mindset is to your detriment

      You make the following incorrect assumptions: A) that I work for someone other than myself and B) that it wasn't that very mindset that got me to where I am today.

      Two and a half years ago, I replaced my boss with myself. My boss, on the other hand, filled me position but did not replace me. In fact, I've been hearing on a weekly basis from a friend of mine who still works for the company (in a much different role) that ideas and policies I pushed for while I was employed there are being implemented, bug fixes I provide (I still work on the same codebase, just not for them anymore; reporting security vulnerabilities is the responsible thing to do even if I'm not paid for them) are being tested and implemented and, to top it off, I contract my design team out to them despite having their own in-house designer.

      Tell me, as I easily replaced my former boss and he has, to this day, not replaced me, how is my mindset wrong?

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      APK quotes people (including myself) without context and should not be trusted. Just thought you should know.
    30. Re:No need by daveywest · · Score: 2

      Jr. Manger: What if we train them and they leave? CEO: What if we don't and they stay?

    31. Re:No need by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Asking for a raise can easily get you canned and replaced.

      Inflation causes the cost of everything to go up.

      If you aren't getting a raise, your fixed wages buy less of everything.
      (Read: You are making less money than you did the year before.)

      Usually a raise is less than the upfront costs of on-boarding a new employee. This goes double for technical employees, as productive work time is taken from other engineers who sit on the employer side of a technical interview.

      Raises are mandatory, and any company not providing them should expect to lose all their productive employees.

    32. Re: No need by fabriciom · · Score: 2

      What you are talking about might happen in a mom and pop type company. But in a mid to large company NO one is irreplaceable that's how they got to be that size.

    33. Re: No need by fabriciom · · Score: 1

      I didnt asked for your feedback and it's funny you think any one cares. Let's see how long you can work in a startup getting paid in worthless shares and Chinese soup.

    34. Re: No need by fabriciom · · Score: 1

      This ideal company you speak of only exist where you are either underpaid, it's a really small company or it's a startup.

    35. Re:No need by mattwarden · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Here is a secret: your boss is not there for you. They are there for the company. They exist not to mentor you or help your career but to get what the company needs out of you and mitigate company risks like you leaving. If the manager decides it is in the company's best interest to release you rather than reform you, that's what she should do. If it's not in the company's interest for you to grow, you shouldn't expect your boss to help you grow.

      I have many underlings ask for me to lay out a career path for them. To me this is an admission that they are passive actors in their career, floating along and putting in time and expecting others to figure out the next step for them. And I will do so, in some cases, depending on how much the company needs that employee to stick around even if in another position.

      Another secret: your boss is regularly asked how he/she has planned for you leaving voluntarily.

    36. Re:No need by rijrunner · · Score: 1

      Most places, it would be more of a canned response about how the raise system works. Every place I have ever worked (HP, IBM, etc) only do payraises in specific timeframes related to year-end appraisals - and even then, there is little discretion in terms of pay range increases. (There is a process for special cases, but much harder to justify).

      There is no advantage for asking for something with some hidden agenda for something else. If you want feedback, ask for it. Try the approach of asking what it would take to reach the qualifications for the next level higher. If an Engineer I, ask what you need to do to make Engineer II at that company.

      In fact, asking for a payraise when you are asking for feedback is a very, very bad idea. The manager will probably tell you are actually asking from a hidden agenda and that is where they can start to think you are looking at leaving.

    37. Re: No need by TWX · · Score: 1

      I've worked for a number of small businesses over the years. Even they do not necessarily struggle to hire if they either take young upstarts in the field and employ them where the new person feels they have the ability to grow, or else they manage to figure out how to pay enough to find someone.

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    38. Re:No need by TWX · · Score: 1

      Those workplaces have built those structures to reduce the human element from the managerial process. The manager's personal feelings are diminished, the employee's productivity and how it's documented decides the pay. That doesn't mean that a manager can't influence the process, but if the review numbers are too far out-of-whack then they're subject to review. Thus person that doesn't meet expectations or is otherwise lackluster might get cost-of-living increases if any. Person that meets expectations gets cost-of-living and a tiny bit extra. Person that exceeds expectations gets bigger bump, plus gets points toward moving to next level title and pay.

      When operated right I actually like those procedures better than the having to go ask method. I can agree to goals, can work toward those goals and can figure out where I need to focus extra attention to exceed expectations.

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    39. Re:No need by TWX · · Score: 2

      Not all companies share your mindset, thank god.

      Many companies do look at the production that the employee brings as an asset, rather than only looking at the cost in wages that an employee draws as a detriment. Since the corporate structure between the end-worker and the top people doesn't usually itself produce anything profit-making, it is in the company's interest to attempt to mentor employees. It makes the employees feel more valued. It may provide more skill to the employee so they produce disproportionately more than it costs to train or mentor. It may help the organization evaluate if an employee can provide even more value if duties are tailored to that employee's strengths, if the organization can afford to make such structural changes.

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    40. Re: No need by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No one is irreplaceable they can afford to have that business unit fail.

    41. Re:No need by Penguinisto · · Score: 2

      They exist not to mentor you or help your career but to get what the company needs out of you and mitigate company risks like you leaving.

      Without growth, the competent employees will *always* leave sooner than you think, and you're soon only left with the incompetents. Good luck with that.

      Also, there is no need to do any part of the employee's job (laying out a career). There is a need however to discover what the employee think his/her career should be, and if you're a competent manager, you would want to be the first to find out (which incidentally helps out with that whole 'is my employee going to leave soon, and if so, when?' bit.)

      And, surprise surprise, feedback helps tune the employee into doing what the job requires, and help get them to better do what the company needs to do.

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    42. Re: No need by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Mentorship is such a key thing, especially in tech.

      Problem is org changes every 6mos don't enable mentorship to be effective unless you're being fast tracked.

    43. Re: No need by phantomfive · · Score: 1

      I didnt asked for your feedback and it's funny you think any one cares.

      Oh, you wish you could reach into your monitor and give me a good electric shock. Or you wish you had this device. I get paid in cash and you'll never have good coworkers until you change.

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    44. Re:No need by TWX · · Score: 1

      then how did you get into the building in the first place? Or did they just let you in so that you could clean up your desk yourself instead of them having to pack everything up for you?

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    45. Re:No need by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If you are fucking up, they'll let you know.

      At my job that would be your Windows accounts (regular and admin) not working, your badge deactivated and no one in management returning your phone calls. If you call the help desk, they will confirm that your termination ticket is being processed. Eventually security shows to escort you out of the building.

      And then you get a better job that pays more than $50k/year.

    46. Re: No need by fabriciom · · Score: 1

      I don't know how you think this is about you. I have no interest in you and even less doing anything to you. In any case you do not know me and I have no interest in knowing. Good luck going through life thinking you are different and special.

    47. Re:No need by fabriciom · · Score: 1

      All companies I have worked in follow the above stated mindset. I don't know where all this magical employee focused companies you talk about are, surely not in any stock market. I'm seeing a pattern where there are opinions from management profiles stating the crude reality and the non-management personnel talking about magical companies where they respect their employees and think only about their interest.

    48. Re:No need by PPH · · Score: 1

      "No feedback," means something different to every relationship at work

      This.

      In one of my past jobs, I was pretty visible to people in engineering and on the shop floor (both of our group's customers). They knew when I was delivering and when I was fucking up. Meanwhile, my boss was the son-in-law of someone high up in management and he had no clue what was going on. As long as our customers were happy, his job was cake. He left me alone and I got the extra merit raises every year.

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    49. Re: No need by phantomfive · · Score: 1

      I don't know how you think this is about you.

      Of course it's not about me. It's been about you the entire time, starting with the moment you explained what a lousy boss you are. Then I explained why that makes YOU lousy, and then talked about YOUR desires. It's all about YOU. No escaping it.

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    50. Re:No need by fabriciom · · Score: 1

      Today it is cheaper and a better deal to sub-contract already trained and experienced personal ready to work than hire and train. Specially since everyone outsources IT projects.

    51. Re: No need by fabriciom · · Score: 1

      I see, you know me very well. I'm going to have to change profession because of a comment from someone in the internet. Lets see if you ever get to management and realise how things really work instead of thinking how they should.

    52. Re: No need by phantomfive · · Score: 1

      Not your profession lol, just change how you are. You'll run into the same problems in any profession.

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    53. Re: No need by BronsCon · · Score: 1

      Indeed, when you're hiring people who will do what you want rather than what you need, it is trivial to replace the cogs. However, when you find that one person who is willing to stand up to what you want and do what you need instead, you do miss them when they're gone. I've seen the evidence of this myself and I'm living it as we speak. I left the company and now have a higher gross income than the company I left, in part due to contracts they begrudgingly sought when, despite having no trouble filling my position with someone who would give them what they wanted the realized nobody else knew what they actually needed.

      I walked away clean, they sought me two years later.

      Some people truly do bring more value than their work.

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    54. Re: No need by BronsCon · · Score: 1

      You assume the business unit isn't the whole business.

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    55. Re: No need by fabriciom · · Score: 1

      Ohh yeah I would definitely fire you, I have not time for a clueless know-it-all. Better yet I would have you train your replacement than fire you. =D

    56. Re:No need by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Wow, what a cunt

    57. Re: No need by phantomfive · · Score: 1

      Oh, so now it is about me, then? I can assure you, that won't happen. I'd be long gone before it ever got to that.

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      "First they came for the slanderers and i said nothing."
    58. Re:No need by networkBoy · · Score: 1

      yup.
      I had several mediocre managers in my two decades at Intel. I had two that stood out as ludicrously bad.
      First one:
      Took my formal review from the year prior and copy pasted it, replete with spelling errors and an area for improvement that read:

      netoworkBoy successfully completed all areas of improvement from last year, this year he should focus on FOO, BAR, and Python development.

      Interesting, I successfully did all this and now need to do it again? Tell me again that you paid *any* attention to my work?

      The other manager was even worse. In his slide deck about the project that he would give contractors there was a picture of a monkey in a shirt and tie sitting at a computer with the caption:
      Remember we can replace you with a trained monkey.

      He was a total dick to work for too.

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    59. Re:No need by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Here is a secret: your boss is not there for you. They are not there for the company. They are there for themselves.
      They exist not to mentor you or help your career but to get what the company needs out of you in order to makes themselves seem necessary.

    60. Re:No need by Darinbob · · Score: 1

      It is true that most of my feedback is negative. However there are a lot of negative things that need pointing out. Though a lot of this comes from code reviews as I'm still doing those. I'm giving some positive feedback though maybe it's not as obvious ("keep it up").

      There is the yearly performance evaluation where you're essentially required to give feedback, and when I've done this I make a point to include positive feedback, and the negative feedback is given constructively. There are people who don't like even constructive criticism, so maybe those people have trained some managers to give no feedback at all (though why is the manager working with someone like that?).

      Note on the other hand - you CAN give feedback to managers. If you want feedback, ask for it.

    61. Re:No need by TWX · · Score: 1

      It doesn't mean that a company is employee-focused. It means that a company understands that it lives and dies by the capabilities of its employees, so it's in the company's interest to figure out what it takes to keep their workforce productive, possibly to even expand their productivity.

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    62. Re:No need by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes, clear, actionable and contructive way... Like firing you... :(

    63. Re: No need by david_thornley · · Score: 1

      It would appear that your knowledge of the companies out there is as limited as your management abilities. There are reasonably sized and large companies in Frobnicator's second class. They're worth finding.

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    64. Re:No need by david_thornley · · Score: 1

      No company thinks only about the employees' interests. There are companies that respect their employees, and want to get them all focused on the right things, so they communicate company goals and show loyalty to the employees. That way, they get better productivity and lower turnover. If one of the poor saps who works for you leaves, do you have a good estimate of what it will cost to replace that person? Replacing someone at my level will cost tens of thousands of dollars at the very least.

      When Mom died, I inherited half of her stock portfolio. She picked companies on the basis of how they treated employees, customer service, and R&D. They're doing great.

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      "When you have eliminated the unacceptable, whatever is left, however improbable, must be the truthiness" - Holmes
    65. Re:No need by david_thornley · · Score: 1

      Do you get subcontractors who are already experienced with your operations and code base who know they'll have to maintain what they're doing, or do you just intend to get interchangeable cogs who don't give a crap about anything past their last paycheck?

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    66. Re:No need by mattwarden · · Score: 1

      Correct. Your boss will help you with growth if it is in the company's interest. We aren't disagreeing. I'm just suggesting people drop the fantasy that their boss is there for them.

    67. Re:No need by mattwarden · · Score: 1

      You appear to disagree with the tone but not the content of my comment

    68. Re:No need by billybiro · · Score: 1

      That's the difficult thing. It is all about the relationship and the environment.

      In bad environments asking for a raise gets you fired. Asking for training (even if the company says they encourage it) gets you fired. Doing anything ambitious gets you fired, or have the things taken without credit. This type of company also fires people immediately if they make a mistake that has a cost.

      In good environments asking for a raise starts a discussion that can get you money. Asking for training (even when the company has never encouraged it) can get one person or even a team of people some training. Being ambitious is rewarded openly and and given cautious praise: that in addition to doing the regular duties you also did the thing on the side. This type of company generally retains people who make costly mistakes who are also contrite and appear to learn the lesson; leaders know the company pays for the learning experience either way, the question is if they will retain the student of life's hard lessons.

      The first type of company is the one to flee. The second is the type to cherish. If you don't know what to look for it is easy to miss the signs when finding the job.

      And what about the 95% of companies that somewhere in the middle? Where asking for a raise doesn't get you fired, but doesn't get you a raise either. Same with training. Same with trying to introduce new ideas.

      You can jump ship from one of these companies, but it's more likely than not that you'll end up somewhere else just the same.

    69. Re:No need by billybiro · · Score: 1

      It doesn't mean that a company is employee-focused. It means that a company understands that it lives and dies by the capabilities of its employees, so it's in the company's interest to figure out what it takes to keep their workforce productive, possibly to even expand their productivity.

      No, most companies care only about their employees as cogs in the machine. It's the function of the cog that they care about. The human being representing that cog, well, they're fungible and can be fairly quickly replaced with an equally fungible asset. Ergo, other than what is mandated by law, companies don't give a shit about you as a human being, only as the cog.

    70. Re:No need by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      > If you are fucking up, they'll let you know.
      Not necessarily.

  2. Do what you think is needed to be done by MightyYar · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Oddly enough, the stuff I get the most praise for is stuff that I simply started doing because it filled a void that I felt was present. Full disclosure: I have a cool boss.

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    1. Re:Do what you think is needed to be done by __aaclcg7560 · · Score: 2

      Finding the jobs that no one else wants to do is a good way to gain recognition.

    2. Re:Do what you think is needed to be done by Actually,+I+do+RTFA · · Score: 2

      That's likely to be the stuff I will praise the most for as well... both because it is most likely to be "above and beyond" and because it's apparent to everyone that the void is filled, but unexpectedly.

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    3. Re:Do what you think is needed to be done by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's called "initiative" and is one of the key attributes of good employees.

    4. Re:Do what you think is needed to be done by 0100010001010011 · · Score: 1

      "Why does a build take 2 hours"?

      "Because"

      A quick profile of the process later found a stupid design decision that ate 30% the time. (On a small scale you never noticed but on the entire build it just ate time.)

      And now I'm sort of miracle worker for just looking into a problem no one wanted to look into or just assumed "that's the way it is".

    5. Re:Do what you think is needed to be done by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Full disclosure: I have a cool boss."

      obviously, you spend the day posting on slashdot.

    6. Re:Do what you think is needed to be done by Darinbob · · Score: 1

      I did that. Reduced an 12+ hour build to 45 minutes. The miracle worker status lasted awhile, but I probably coasted on it longer than I should have. At some point it turns into "what miracles have you done lately?"

    7. Re:Do what you think is needed to be done by zifn4b · · Score: 1

      Oddly enough, the stuff I get the most praise for is stuff that I simply started doing because it filled a void that I felt was present. Full disclosure: I have a cool boss.

      Please oh please tell us where you can find this "cool boss" you speak of. I haven't had one of those in about a decade. (sad panda) The ones I have worked for in the past 10 years have been narcissistic, incompetent pricks that suffer from the Dunning Kruger effect. It's been awful.

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    8. Re:Do what you think is needed to be done by zifn4b · · Score: 1

      That's likely to be the stuff I will praise the most for as well... both because it is most likely to be "above and beyond" and because it's apparent to everyone that the void is filled, but unexpectedly.

      If "above and beyond" means 80 hour weeks and the job being the central part of my life, you can count me out. That's the road to burnout and depression. No employer is worth your sanity.

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    9. Re:Do what you think is needed to be done by Actually,+I+do+RTFA · · Score: 1

      I actually meant that it was something above what was expected. It may have taken 10 minutes or 10 hours.

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  3. Leave. by OmniGeek · · Score: 4, Interesting

    If your boss isn't communicating with you, try to communicate with him/her as to what you need and why. Be respectful and open, but direct; you're trying to improve your working relationship. If that doesn't work, move to a department that has a more communicative manager, and failing that, just bail as gracefully as posible. That workplace isn't going to be a good place for you to work in the long run, and life's too short if you have any other choice.

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    1. Re:Leave. by 0100010001010011 · · Score: 1

      Schedule the meeting yourself.

      I put a reoccurring monthly meeting on my boss' calendar. Sometimes it gets moved, sometimes it gets canceled but it's in the calendar for a reason.

    2. Re:Leave. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      How well-received is that? It sounds good that you're taking the initiative to open that dialog, but isn't every month a bit excessive?

    3. Re: Leave. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Bingo.

      I have a boss that doesn't read my status reports (demands them), nor talks to my coworkers/leads/customers about my performance, makes me decide what I should be working on, then complains about me not being a hero/rockstar and including him/her on the third chain.

      don't force yourself to communicate, really. It only helps short term. mgmt goes both ways and one that reaches out to you 1st, is usually a decent mgr.

      Reasonability, moderation and common sense win in this game.

  4. Hey, boss, how am I doing so far? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The only stupid question is the one you don't ask.

    1. Re:Hey, boss, how am I doing so far? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      The question in your title is pretty stupid. It sounds like you're fishing for praise. It also sounds like you're dependant on being micromanaged. It's like asking "How was I?" after sex. If you're any good you should have an idea how good you are. I think it's better to discuss how the task at hand is getting ahead.

    2. Re:Hey, boss, how am I doing so far? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hey, numbnuts - tell that to the AC that submitted the question. He's the one you seem to think wants to be micromanaged. I'm just telling him the obvious question that needs to be asked if he's that concerned about it, and can't seem to figure it out for himself.

      It sounds like you're fishing for praise.

      What color is the sky in your world? To normal people, it sounds like the inquisitor is fishing for some fucking feedback on how he is doing so far, because he apparently hasn't been receiving any.

    3. Re:Hey, boss, how am I doing so far? by Cederic · · Score: 1

      If you're any good you should have an idea how good you are.

      Most people overrate themselves. Very very few people understand their weaknesses and correctly prioritise addressing them. Most people are insecure.

      "Hey, you're doing great, we really value you. Of course you can work from home half the time, your contribution is very visible anyway." makes an employee feel great. Adding, "You've said you want to take this next step in your career, and I was thinking some practice on these skills would really take you forward" makes a manager feel great too.

      Some managers need helping to do either piece. So step one about improving on feedback: Learn how to ask for it!

      sounds like you're dependent on being micromanaged

      Or perhaps they're so pro-active and autonomous that they recognise the need to confirm they're still focusing on the right areas.

      How the fuck did you read micromanagement into that? Talking to your colleagues - whether they're peers, junior or three levels senior to you - is a bloody good idea, and talking to your boss definitely helps when year end review comes around.

  5. It is not uncommon at all by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Most of the time, your manager was somebody like you--a coder, or a techie, or an engineering grad--that is, somebody good at what he does, just not at managing people. He happened to be very good, and got a promotion, so suddenly he is in charge of people and code. So now he has to play HR and even give performance reviews and stuff like feedback, etc

    It is a fairly common scenario.

  6. Careful what you ask for by Tablizer · · Score: 1

    I once had a sociopath co-worker who broadcast criticism of my work to everybody and their dog. If I did the same back, he had a fit.

  7. Ask by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You need to be proactive. Straight up ask your boss for feedback and guidance.
    If he's still unresponsive, then he's not doing his job and you need to talk to either *his* boss or HR.

  8. Ask your coworkers by redmid17 · · Score: 1

    Serious this is an Ask Slashdot? Failing that figure it out yourself. If you can't tell if you're doing a good job at your job, you should probably find one where you can.

    1. Re:Ask your coworkers by Cederic · · Score: 1

      What the fuck does 'doing a good job' have to do with it?

      You want to do the same job every day for the next three decades? That's ok, some people welcome that.

      Many people get bored, want to do different things, have career goals. They want to improve themselves, their skills, their ability to get other jobs. They will benefit greatly from feedback, especially if it's constructive and well intentioned.

      That doesn't mean they're not doing 'a good job'. Shit, you could be the world's greatest programmer, I bet I could still find developmental feedback for you.

  9. Prepare for next job, will help current job. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Build your capacity preparing for the next job. This could also be called "setting goals."

  10. Self evaluate by XXongo · · Score: 1
    You should be able to tell if you're doing good work or not. Don't rely on your boss; chances are your boss knows less about your work than you do. You should be able to observe how your results compare to those being done by others.

    Od course, if you're in the Dunning-Kruger regime, a self-evaluation may fail.

  11. Easy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    1) git gud
    2) ?
    3) profit

    1. Re:Easy by darkain · · Score: 1

      Damn, I must be rich now! https://github.com/fsufitch/gi...

  12. Praise me like you shouldddddd d.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Dude your an adult now, do your fucking job.

    1. Re:Praise me like you shouldddddd d.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      you're ... %&?! dammit fingers type properly

  13. This is an ovbious question... by __aaclcg7560 · · Score: 4, Funny

    I get feedback from Slashdot. For example, as an IT Support contractor who makes $50K+ in Silicon Valley, the feedback I got is: I don't make enough money to afford the American Dream, I'm a moocher because I work in government IT, I'm not a real IT person since didn't graduate from a CS program with $100K in student loans, I'm fat, ugly and retarded, and, worse, I'm not even ashamed of being fat..

    1. Re:This is an ovbious question... by Drethon · · Score: 2

      I get feedback from Slashdot. For example, as an IT Support contractor who makes $50K+ in Silicon Valley, the feedback I got is: I don't make enough money to afford the American Dream, I'm a moocher because I work in government IT, I'm not a real IT person since didn't graduate from a CS program with $100K in student loans, I'm fat, ugly and retarded, and, worse, I'm not even ashamed of being fat..

      And have your formed a plan of action around the feedback?

    2. Re:This is an ovbious question... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Now, how do you plan on improving?

    3. Re:This is an ovbious question... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You are not interpreting that feedback correctly. Here is your feedback from slashdot:

      "news for nerds." This site is for smart people. You went to special ed classes - we all too AP classes. You got kicked out of college. We graduated a year early. You tested video games - we coded video games.

      You're a fat fuck because you think eating weight gain candy for athletes makes you lose weight. We're fat because we're lazy and ugly and don't care.

      Your feedback is get off this fucking site. We have a community for smart conversation. You don't know what the fuck you are talking about, and we don't care what you do as long as you stop spamming your idiot drivel here that we have to scroll through.

      Do ya get it now retard?

    4. Re:This is an ovbious question... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I don't think you understand this is the New American Dream 2.0 ® - you attained it.

    5. Re:This is an ovbious question... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Great! We are looking for a D&D DM in the Cupertino area!

    6. Re:This is an ovbious question... by __aaclcg7560 · · Score: 0

      This site is for smart people.

      So why are you here then?

      You went to special ed classes - we all too AP classes.

      While you were taking AP classes in high school, I graduated from eight years of Special Ed classes, skipped high school and got my A.A. degree in four years (two years of remedial courses and two years for major). A decade later I went back to community college to learn computer programming and graduated with 4.0 GPA.

      You got kicked out of college.

      I transferred to the university and got kicked a year later after attending school for five years straight. On the bright side, no student debt as I worked my way through college. I'll be retire in 30 years.

      We graduated a year early.

      You're only $75K in the hole for student debt. You won't be able to retire.

      You tested video games - we coded video games.

      I wrote 30,000+ bug reports in six years. You would think programmers could test their shit before giving it to QA.

      Do ya get it now retard?

      Sorry, asshat, you're not any better than me.

    7. Re:This is an ovbious question... by dave562 · · Score: 1

      Aren't you the guy who suggested quite seriously that someone pursue an A+ certification?

    8. Re:This is an ovbious question... by mongothesecond · · Score: 1

      Or less offensively, there is opportunity all around you. If you decide to make 50k in Silicon Valley, that is your choice.

    9. Re:This is an ovbious question... by __aaclcg7560 · · Score: 1

      Aren't you the guy who suggested quite seriously that someone pursue an A+ certification?

      If you're starting off in help desk, the A+, Network+ and Microsoft Windows certifications will make a great foundation for future certifications.

    10. Re:This is an ovbious question... by darkain · · Score: 1

      You forgot the part where you're also an insensitive clod!

    11. Re:This is an ovbious question... by __aaclcg7560 · · Score: 1

      Or less offensively, there is opportunity all around you.

      My current opportunity is a fully funded five-year, nation-wide contract that I'm halfway through. Although I'm only being paid $50K+ for being a system administrator for ~80,000 workstations (my manager fell out of his seat when I sent him a salary survey for what sys admins really make in Silicon Valley), I'm studying for my InfoSec certifications and my next job will be in the $100K+ range.

      If you decide to make 50k in Silicon Valley, that is your choice.

      That's the top rate for IT Support in Silicon Valley. Although that might be changing since young hipsters are unwilling to commute more than 30 minutes away from San Francisco. Some recruiters are offering $40 per hour to get people to work in Southern Silicon Valley (i.e., San Jose, Santa Clara or Sunnyvale).

    12. Re:This is an ovbious question... by __aaclcg7560 · · Score: 1

      You forgot the part where you're also an insensitive clod!

      I would be working in IT if I wasn't an asshole. ;)

    13. Re:This is an ovbious question... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      IT position at 50k in Silicon Valley means you're an IT monkey that they can't outsource to India because they haven't got a remote controlled robot that can push power buttons and move equipment yet.

    14. Re:This is an ovbious question... by __aaclcg7560 · · Score: 1

      IT position at 50k in Silicon Valley means you're an IT monkey that they can't outsource to India because they haven't got a remote controlled robot that can push power buttons and move equipment yet.

      That's why I'm not concerned about being outsourced. If they build a robot to do the work I do, I'll be the guy who maintains the robots.

    15. Re:This is an ovbious question... by fabriciom · · Score: 1

      I wasn't and asshole until I started working in IT...

    16. Re:This is an ovbious question... by FunkSoulBrother · · Score: 1

      This site hasn't been for smart people for almost 15 years. It's a sounding board for racists, curmudgeons and Nazis to complain about a world that is passing them by.

    17. Re:This is an ovbious question... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I used to be a nice guy but years of working in IT made me an asshole. Then IT went full social and assholes like me got booted out for not being social enough. Now I can't stop being an asshole and there's nothing left for me in this world. Fuck IT and fuck you.

    18. Re:This is an ovbious question... by __aaclcg7560 · · Score: 1

      It's a sounding board for racists, curmudgeons and Nazis to complain about a world that is passing them by.

      And asshats who think that making $200K per year means that they're smarter than everyone else.

    19. Re:This is an ovbious question... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      As soon as you finish coding your python script that shitposts on slashdot all day, your script will replace you, fat fuck.

    20. Re:This is an ovbious question... by __aaclcg7560 · · Score: 1

      As soon as you finish coding your python script that shitposts on slashdot all day, your script will replace you, fat fuck.

      Correct. Than I can spend my time on something more important. :P

    21. Re:This is an ovbious question... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I am here because I skipped a grade in jr high and another in highschool. I had 6 college credits by the time I graduated highschool. My starting salary out of college was 56k, 20 years ago. I am almost 40 now, I make ~200k per year and own a $1mil house with no mortgage. Yeah, I had 100k in student loans - I paid those off in my first 3 years of work. I speak 6 languages and have traveled the world. I post on topic and my comments reflect my knowledge of technical topics. That is why I am here. That is why all my friends are here. We weren't friends with special ed kids in school, we weren't friends with them in college, and we don't go to lunch with special ed adults at work - we have nothing to talk about with them. They are too stupid, they are losers, and irrelevant to our lives - so they are not included in our circle. Why are you here?

      If you wrote bug reports, spent time in special ed classes, or clean my toilet, then this site is not one that was created for people like you. This site was put together in 1997 by smart people for smart nerd discussion. You and your spam advertisements to your penny blog , your illiterate thoughts, and details of your mediocre life are not welcome here. We are talking and trying to have a discussion, and you are spamming the site in a way much worse than the GNAA ever did. Go to reddit, find your forum on there, and please stop spamming us.

      And yes, I am much better than you. I tried hard, and I accomplished more. That is how society measures "better." All of us here are better, and we created a community to talk to each other. You are not a part of that community - you are a spammer, and you do not belong. That is the point.

    22. Re:This is an ovbious question... by __aaclcg7560 · · Score: 1

      You are not a part of that community - you are a spammer, and you do not belong.

      I've been part of Slashdot since 1999. Yes, I beat my own drum. I would rather be someone than another asshat in the crowd.

    23. Re: This is an ovbious question... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      He posts to Slashdot in order to drive web traffic to his blog or self published book or some bullshit like that, and makes... $50/month from it.

      So who is the fat, retarded dumpy asshole now? Creimer is of course. Don't forget bald and half blind, ya ugly prediabetic.

    24. Re:This is an ovbious question... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "You would think programmers could test their shit before giving it to QA"

      I am the guy hiring both the programmers and the QA staff. Why would I want programmers doing QA? A programmer gets paid 3x your salary. My quarterly would explode if the coders spent their time doing testing and QA work.

      You also appear to spend your time not QA testing or actually working. You seem to spend all your business hours on slashdot writing comments and having your employer pay for it. No, "waiting for a script to finish" is not "your time" to be doing your own things. Everyone uses scripts, and we work while they are running. Maybe your unsuccessful career is not because you are stupid or fat. Maybe it is because you are lazy. More likely you are all three of those.

      You also have made a name for yourself on this site as the annoying stupid and loud fat guy. I am sure this is what your whole life has been - sticking out of the crowd, in a bad way. You have had many years to make terms with it to the point where you are proud of it. This is very sad for you, but irrelevant here.

      What topic was everyone discussing here again? Guess what - it wasn't your life attention whore. No one cares about you or your life here. Go away.

    25. Re:This is an ovbious question... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You're only $75K in the hole for student debt. You won't be able to retire.

      I graduated with nearly $90k in student debt. My debt was fully paid off within 6 years of graduation. I got a job, fresh out of school at age 22, paying $49k. Within 5 years, I was making $80k. It's been 20 years since I left college now - I'm 42. I claimed approx $150k on my taxes last year, and expect that, due to some option & retention payouts related to the acquisition of my employer by another large tech company, I'll claim nearly $300k next year in gross income.

      My 401k account, as of this morning, has a hair over $1m dollars in it. My other personal accounts have a total of about $80k in them right now. My wife and I own a house that's worth approximately $650k, and which we owe ~225k on. No car loans, though we'll take a modest one in the next six months because my car is nearly 15 years old now, and is starting to show its age. Small amount of other debt currently - maybe $1000 on the credit card, which gets paid off fully every month.

      Tell me again how bad off I am in terms of retirement? At the rate we're saving, my wife and I will probably be able to retire in our mid-to-late 50's, unless either (or both) of our (currently quite young) children get into very expensive colleges and we elect to pay for their schooling.

      You would think programmers could test their shit before giving it to QA.

      Any shithead can criticize and find fault. Go try writing similar software yourself, and see how you fare, before you start proclaiming yourself superior to them because you found some bugs.

      Sorry, asshat, you're not any better than me.

      It's funny - you're the one trying to build yourself up by talking about how your life path has made you so much more successful than the people who haven't followed your particular trajectory. Perhaps you should repeat your own advice to yourself, friend.

    26. Re:This is an ovbious question... by __aaclcg7560 · · Score: 2

      Why would I want programmers doing QA?

      Test-driven development. You should try it. I would have written fewer bug reports as a video game tester and lead tester video game tester at Accolade/Infogrames/Atari (same company, different owners, multiple personality disorder), and as a tester for Fujitsu and Sony.

      Test-driven development (TDD) is a software development process that relies on the repetition of a very short development cycle: requirements are turned into very specific test cases, then the software is improved to pass the new tests, only. This is opposed to software development that allows software to be added that is not proven to meet requirements.

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Test-driven_development

      You seem to spend all your business hours on slashdot writing comments and having your employer pay for it.

      As both an employee and entrepreneur, there's only one metric that matters: Do I get my numbers in each and every day? Yes, I do.

      I am sure this is what your whole life has been - sticking out of the crowd, in a bad way.

      No. I'm the guy who doesn't stand out in the crowd, surrounded by bigger and louder people.

      What topic was everyone discussing here again?

      Feedback I get from Slashdot. Thank you for your feedback. ;)

    27. Re:This is an ovbious question... by FunkSoulBrother · · Score: 1

      2/10, obvious troll is obvious

    28. Re: This is an ovbious question... by __aaclcg7560 · · Score: 1

      He posts to Slashdot in order to drive web traffic to his blog or self published book or some bullshit like that, and makes... $50/month from it.

      I post here to have fun. It's the asshats who are making money for me.

      So who is the fat, retarded dumpy asshole now? Creimer is of course. Don't forget bald and half blind, ya ugly prediabetic.

      Bald and half-blind I'm not.

      https://twitter.com/cdreimer/status/861287512802705408

    29. Re:This is an ovbious question... by __aaclcg7560 · · Score: 1

      Go try writing similar software yourself, and see how you fare, before you start proclaiming yourself superior to them because you found some bugs.

      You sound like the programmers I dealt with as a lead video game tester. All piss and vinegar because their title got delayed in QA for a crash bug that only happened 7% of the time (if I caught it, Microsoft/Nintendo/Sony will catch it too), and their milestone bonuses go bye-bye when the schedule slipped. Since I never got bonuses as a tester, I'm not sympathetic to a programmer who had wait longer to go buy a Ducati motorcycle.

    30. Re:This is an ovbious question... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      hey guys, get a load of this fat, ugly retard over here.

    31. Re:This is an ovbious question... by __aaclcg7560 · · Score: 1

      And have your formed a plan of action around the feedback?

      Still setting up a marketing funnel. So when the asshats attack me, other readers will wonder why all these asshats are shitting on me and then click on my Hompage link above my comment. Web traffic and ad revenues to my personal blog has been awesome for the last few months.

    32. Re:This is an ovbious question... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You sound like the programmers I dealt with as a lead video game tester.

      Again - go prove that you can write better software before you shit all over other people for writing software with bugs in it.

      All piss and vinegar because their title got delayed in QA for a crash bug that only happened 7% of the time

      What about my response was "piss and vinegar"? I told you not to declare your superiority because you found some bugs, because any shithead can find defects in something - if you can't create a better thing in the first place, don't declare yourself superior to the people who did create something.

      Since I never got bonuses as a tester, I'm not sympathetic to a programmer who had wait longer to go buy a Ducati motorcycle.

      "Since I wasn't smart enough to get a job that offered bonuses, I resented everybody who did, and took great joy in ruining their chances to get a bonus."

      You sound like a petty, small-minded, intellectual weakling. How's that feel, friend?

    33. Re:This is an ovbious question... by __aaclcg7560 · · Score: 1

      "Since I wasn't smart enough to get a job that offered bonuses, I resented everybody who did, and took great joy in ruining their chances to get a bonus."

      QA testers don't get bonuses to keep them objective during testing cycle and not drink the marketing Kool-Aid. It's not my fault that the marketing, producers and developers don't know how to schedule. I just add two months to their schedule estimates to account for the inevitable delays that comes from developing a video game on a unrealistic schedule. Only one developer got a game done on time, but they were the only one to submit a 256-page design doc (most are not thick enough to wipe with).

      You sound like a petty, small-minded, intellectual weakling. How's that feel, friend?

      You're assuming that I'll take your comment personally. I don't. Because posting on Slashdot is all fun and games for me.

    34. Re:This is an ovbious question... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's not my fault that the marketing, producers and developers don't know how to schedule.

      Since you're so good at it, I'm sure you were able to get a job as a developer, marketer, or producer instead of mere testing - which allowed you to rack up a 100% hit rate on all your eligible bonuses, because you were always on time and 100% correct, right?! Oh wait - you're a 50k per year IT support monkey in one of the hottest tech markets in the world. But I'm sure it's by *choice* that you're making 25-33% of what you could be making as a competent engineer with 20+ years of experience, right?

      There's a line from a Woody Allen movie you may have heard: "Those who can, do. Those who can't, teach. Those who can't teach, teach gym."

      To make my implication explicit for the benefit of your limited intellectual capacity: "Those who can, engineer. Those who can't, test. Those who can't test, work as IT support monkeys."

    35. Re:This is an ovbious question... by __aaclcg7560 · · Score: 1

      Oh wait - you're a 50k per year IT support monkey in one of the hottest tech markets in the world.

      I live in Silicon Valley, not San Francisco.

      To make my implication explicit for the benefit of your limited intellectual capacity: "Those who can, engineer. Those who can't, test. Those who can't test, work as IT support monkeys."

      I make a very good living in IT support. So what?

    36. Re:This is an ovbious question... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why would I want programmers doing QA?

      Test-driven development. [...] I would have written fewer bug reports as a video game tester

      Oh look, creimer doesn't understand TDD, either. You would have written fewer bug reports as a video game tester because you wouldn't have had a fucking job.

      TDD is about automating away the "virtual ditch diggers" of QA - you don't need a thousand monkeys staring at and pounding away on the software when your code has high unit & functional coverage, and automated acceptance suites. The QA engineers you need beyond that are the talented engineers who command a high salary, and work on integration testing, exploratory testing, security testing, performance testing, and other end-to-end automated testing.

      You should be thanking your lucky stars that your company didn't use TDD when you were there - you would have surely been the first one out the fucking door in the resulting downsizing of QA.

    37. Re:This is an ovbious question... by __aaclcg7560 · · Score: 1

      TDD is about automating away the "virtual ditch diggers" of QA - you don't need a thousand monkeys staring at and pounding away on the software when your code has high unit & functional coverage, and automated acceptance suites.

      I've never done white box testing, so I would never know. However, that doesn't excused programmers from not writing their own unit tests.

      You should be thanking your lucky stars that your company didn't use TDD when you were there - you would have surely been the first one out the fucking door in the resulting downsizing of QA.

      I the third of a dozen senior lead testers who left the company before it filed for bankruptcy.

    38. Re:This is an ovbious question... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "I've been part of Slashdot since 1999"

      One would think being rejected from a group of people for that long - someone would get the hint. You are not another asshat in the crowd, and the crowd is not full of asshats. They are not nice to you in response to your drivel. If some smelly methhead wont leave me alone and keeps following me and annoying me, I will eventually beat the shit out of him. If some fat slow-witted under-educated douche keeps spamming our comments, we eventually just start dissing him.

      You beat your own drum alright. Unfortunately this is not a drum circle, so take your ball and.. I mean take your drum and go beat it somewhere else.

    39. Re:This is an ovbious question... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Most of that is a big who cares, but as a person in IT, I truly wonder about you if you think $50k is enough to get by with in Silicon Valley, even if you live a minimal lifestyle. What about your savings? Your retirement? I mean, I'm guessing (I live in socal) that you really should be cranking out about $100-150k/year in SV if you're any good, and imagine dumping that extra 50-100k/year (minus taxes) into various savings instruments and then, you know, buying something when you're sick of it, or then go back to a $50k/year job because you no longer have to feel like you have to have a job. I just think you're selling yourself short and should be getting while the getting is good.

    40. Re:This is an ovbious question... by __aaclcg7560 · · Score: 1

      One would think being rejected from a group of people for that long - someone would get the hint.

      It haven't always been like that. What started things this year was when an asshat accused me of threatening to shoot him for six weeks straight and I kept pushing back. That's how you deal with bullies in real life, as they're cowards and don't like assertive people getting into their face.

    41. Re:This is an ovbious question... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I live in Silicon Valley, not San Francisco.

      Are you really retarded enough to suggest that Silicon Valley is not one of the hottest tech markets in the world?

      I make a very good living in IT support. So what?

      You make a very meager living in IT support - a cursory examination of job postings on Indeed suggests that you could easily be making more than 50k per year with the skills you claim you have, but you're still making 50k with 20+ years of experience, and you keep on running your mouth about how talented you are.

    42. Re:This is an ovbious question... by __aaclcg7560 · · Score: 1

      Are you really retarded enough to suggest that Silicon Valley is not one of the hottest tech markets in the world?

      The vacancy rate for my 50-year-old apartment complex and the surrounding apartment complexes are at 50%. The last time that happened was after the dot com bust and the Great Recession. Looks like Silicon Valley is cooling down.

      [...] you're still making 50k with 20+ years of experience [...]

      Correct. For the kind of work that I do.

    43. Re:This is an ovbious question... by __aaclcg7560 · · Score: 1

      I truly wonder about you if you think $50k is enough to get by with in Silicon Valley, even if you live a minimal lifestyle.

      As an IT Support contractor, my income can vary considerably from year to year. The lowest I ever made was $30K and the highest was $54K. I spent the last 12 years living in a rent-controlled studio apartment. No wild increases in rent as the real estate market cycles from boom to bust and back again.

      What about your savings? Your retirement?

      20%

      I just think you're selling yourself short and should be getting while the getting is good.

      A lot of people here on Slashdot make the assumption that I can simply just get $100K job. Recruiters look at my work history — software tester, help desk/desktop, project lead, etc. — to put a $50K per year price tag on my head. Since I'm halfway through a five-year contract, got the job title "senior system administrator," and studying for InfoSec certifications, I can make the transition into the higher paying job.

    44. Re:This is an ovbious question... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No one assumes you can simply just get $100k. Everyone assumes, rightfully, that you are too dumb to get more than you are getting.

    45. Re:This is an ovbious question... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You do not make a good living. "A good living" is defined not by you but by us. You are by the definition of the group on this site, making a very poor living and are unskilled, and do not have the brains to be on this site.

      A janitor scraping shit for a living for 50k can go to nigville south side of Chicago and compared to them he's making a great living. But he is not going to claim that at the office where he cleans people's shit. Things are relative. Go hang out with your own kind Janitor.

    46. Re:This is an ovbious question... by __aaclcg7560 · · Score: 1

      Everyone assumes, rightfully, that you are too dumb to get more than you are getting.

      The last time I heard that was before I made the transition from video game tester to help desk technician. Before that when I made the transition from kitchen cook to software tester. Before even that was probably when I skipped high school to go to community college. I'm always surrounded by doubters.

    47. Re:This is an ovbious question... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I am sorry - are you actually trying to give me advice? A person who went to special ed, got kicked out of college, and approaching middle age has a intern-level job? You seriously think you are qualified to give anybody any advice on anything on this site?

      Also, it is very clear that you have no idea what TDD is. You should maybe look it up on wiki before suggesting it. I need to agree here - I understand you are relatively poor and unskilled, with few prospects besides diabetes and a heart attack. You really need that hundred bucks a month. Spamming a community of people trying to have a conversation is not the appropriate means to save up for your mobility scooter. Leave us alone please to our nerddom. You think you understand the topics being discussed but you clearly do not.

    48. Re:This is an ovbious question... by __aaclcg7560 · · Score: 1

      "A good living" is defined not by you but by us.

      If I listened to doubters like you, I've would never gotten as far I have gotten in life.

    49. Re:This is an ovbious question... by __aaclcg7560 · · Score: 1

      You seriously think you are qualified to give anybody any advice on anything on this site?

      Yes.

    50. Re:This is an ovbious question... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I see.. said the blind man to the deaf dog. You are assertive now. Hey there Mr. Assertive - got a question for you to ponder. If you are so assertive, how come every time it is pointed out that you are not qualified to comment on content on this site you reply with supporting statements of you not being qualified? I don't think assertive means what you think it means. If someone calls you a moron for showing a complete lack of knowledge about the technical topics on this site, and you reply that you were in special ed and got kicked out of college - is that being assertive? It is not. It's being special-ed, and this site is the opposite of special-ed. This is a site for nerds. The nerds do not want you here advertising your blog. You are a reject and a pest to this group of people that you are not a part of. You are here uninvited, unwanted, rejected and excluded. Go the fuck away and stop bothering everyone here.

    51. Re:This is an ovbious question... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They are making 200k because they were in honors classes, got a master's degree in CS in 4 years, and bring a lot of value to the company. They are not smarter than everyone here. They are everyone here except for you, and they do not appreciate the retarded spam you write. Go away loser.

    52. Re:This is an ovbious question... by __aaclcg7560 · · Score: 1

      Go the fuck away and stop bothering everyone here.

      No.

    53. Re:This is an ovbious question... by __aaclcg7560 · · Score: 1

      Go away loser.

      No.

    54. Re:This is an ovbious question... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The vacancy rate for my 50-year-old apartment complex and the surrounding apartment complexes are at 50%

      Then you live in such a shitty neighborhood that nobody else wants to live there. Rental vacancy rates in Palo Alto and San Jose are nowhere near 50% - for the past few years, they've been hovering in the 3-6% range. The most recent 2015 census data supports that, and more recent numbers from the city of San Jose and Palo Alto both support that as well.

      Census: https://factfinder.census.gov/...
      San Jose current numbers: http://www.sanjoseca.gov/index...
      Palo Alto current numbers: http://www.paloaltocompplan.or...

      Furthermore, you're renting, because you literally cannot afford to buy anything more than a cardboard box in an alley there in the Valley.

      Correct. For the kind of work that I do.

      Which is what? You claim you're a miracle worker, but then you claim that you get entry-level intern rates. Either you've got the skills to command a higher salary, and you're stupid enough to not demand that higher salary, or you don't have the skills, and the equivalent of entry-level jobs is all you'll ever have, because you are incapable of learning anything.

      A 25 year old making what you do would be "doing kind of okay, I guess." A 45+ year old making what you make should be embarrassed at never having bettered himself.

    55. Re:This is an ovbious question... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What's the matter tubby? Got no response to the rest of that comment?

    56. Re:This is an ovbious question... by __aaclcg7560 · · Score: 1

      What's the matter tubby? Got no response to the rest of that comment?

      Some comments don't deserve a detailed response.

    57. Re:This is an ovbious question... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Oh look, the stupid fat kid won't leave even though we exclude him from everything and shit on him every step of the way. Please don't leave stupid fat kid. Please stay so we can shit on you some more.

      You're not bothering me. There are literally about a hundred people all over the world laughing at your sad existence. It's pretty fucking sad when a group of fat ugly nerds rejects you. That's about as rock bottom as it gets.

      So to summarize, since special-ed needs things explained - I disagree. Definitely stay so we can shit on you some more. By the way, please explain how this makes you that twenty bucks you use monthly on toilet paper. People with adblock visit your website look at an hippo with no neck, then close the browser. What provider do you have the gives away free bandwidth, and what ads that no one sees do you display that pay when no one sees them or clicks on them?

      Also, please stay here you stupid unskilled loser tub of disgusting shit.

    58. Re:This is an ovbious question... by __aaclcg7560 · · Score: 1

      By the way, please explain how this makes you that twenty bucks you use monthly on toilet paper.

      I comment on Slashdot as I normally do. A bunch of asshats shit all over me. People wonder who this guy is that all the asshats are shitting on, click on the Homepage link above my comment, go to my personal blog and from there to my other websites and social media channels. It's called a marketing funnel. I making extra money without doing any extra work.

      Also, please stay here you stupid unskilled loser tub of disgusting shit.

      KA-ching! KA-ching! KA-ching!

    59. Re:This is an ovbious question... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      which, by the standards of everyone here but you, is absolutely nowhere. You have gotten in mid-life where we started out as interns or at our first job. as I've always said - there needs to be someone to do the shitwork we don't want to do. whether at a club someone cleans the barf off the toilets, or someone to do tedious annoying qa testing. someone needs to do the shit work, get paid pennies for it (since it's unskilled shitwork), and have the mentality not to rebel and fuck something up (to be content doing shitwork).

      you have the broad shoulders we all stand on. thank you for cleaning my toilet, thank you for bringing me my coffee, thank you for sitting there documenting my bugs so I can do more interesting things, and most importantly, thank you for being happy living in what we all define as absolute shit. thank you for redefining words everyone else uses and creating a virtual world where you are not a loser - a world with you, the helpdesk idiots, the janitors, and the mexicans who mow my lawn. you are all very successful and live well.

      now a real question to you. why would anyone in their fucking mind find a site like slashdot, where in this group of people you are the equivalent of the guy who cleans toilets, keep posting retarded uneducated shit, get shit on and dissed repeatedly. are you a cuck of some kind? there are subreddits for people exactly at your level of skill, knowledge, wits. there are more of those people than there are of us on slashdot. why is it that you are actually here? you don't belong, and you keep being told that. and don't give me this crap how you make money from some homepage clicks. if you do it's a cup of coffee.

    60. Re:This is an ovbious question... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      One of the main problems of why stupid people stay stupid, is they cannot admit they are stupid. They keep using psychological tricks to convince themselves otherwise. It's what keeps them from being depressed.

      Let's see now.. You suggested to a guy managing a team of people like you and like the actual developers to use a methodology you clearly know nothing about. Something someone in his position would be clearly familiar with and likely worked with. You were told by multiple people that you, as always, clearly don't know what you are talking about. You then use this as the foundation for why you think you are qualified to give people advice on this site.

      This is not a secretary pool that's impressed by your knowledge of group policy editor. These are people coding IO drivers for the kernel. You are not qualified to suck our dick. Not that we can get anyone else to do that either, but the point stands.

    61. Re:This is an ovbious question... by __aaclcg7560 · · Score: 1

      One of the main problems of why stupid people stay stupid, is they cannot admit they are stupid.

      Why do you keep replying to my comments?

    62. Re:This is an ovbious question... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      is "skipped" highschool a term the parents of special-ed kids use to make the kids feel better? because to the rest of the world you went to special ed instead of highschool and you went to community college instead of college. you're not surrounded by doubters. you're just a fat moron. here. pretty average for the average population though. good thing we have this site to not be annoyed by the general population. so why are you on a site for nerds again?

    63. Re:This is an ovbious question... by david_thornley · · Score: 1

      Test-driven development can be a good thing. The developer can frequently use it to develop better software, so that it's better when it reaches the QA people.

      Separate QA can have people who are great at breaking things, and who cares if they can't fix things? It will have at least someone who isn't necessarily making the same wrong assumptions as the developer(s). (My reaction to a bug report I got last year: "They're doing WHAT! I never thought they'd do it that way." Then I made it work the way they did it, of course.) They can have a reasonably stable environment for integration testing. There's plenty of advantages.

      Right now, we've got a user in the role of finding out what's wrong and telling us about it. He's great, and we get a lot of value from him.

      --
      "When you have eliminated the unacceptable, whatever is left, however improbable, must be the truthiness" - Holmes
    64. Re:This is an ovbious question... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Actually this is the first time I have replied to any of your comments, but I guess that defective brain thing you got going creating your virtual world of happiness in shit is used to changing reality.

      Why did I reply to your comment? Because it's rare to find someone as much of a loser as you on this site, and I had a bad day, so I thought I'd shit all over the stupid loser. Now please, more really sad facts about your sad life and why you are proud of being one of the ugliest dumbest idiots ever rejected by a group of ugly smart people.

    65. Re:This is an ovbious question... by __aaclcg7560 · · Score: 1

      Because it's rare to find someone as much of a loser as you on this site, and I had a bad day, so I thought I'd shit all over the stupid loser.

      You're just another asshat then.

    66. Re:This is an ovbious question... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Ah, so "no" was an answer to "people making 200k are making that because they are smarter and bring value to the company." I would actually expect a special-ed kid to think what you said. They're clearly just asshats, and you don't have a reason why they get paid more. Gotcha. Whatever lets you not sleep at night by downing that whole box of sleeping pills.

    67. Re:This is an ovbious question... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I am, to you. Strangely most people on this site are not asshats to each other and enjoy the group discussion. Everyone is an asshat to you though. Everyone makes fun of you, everyone laughs at you, and everyone shits all over you. Because your posts are idiotic drivel and you annoy is.

      Is it because we make 100-200k depending on experience? No - that is a symptom of us being smarter and doing more than just "making our numbers" and spending the rest of our paid workday spamming slashdot. It's because we don't like you, you don't belong here, and for some reason you are a cuck that enjoys getting dissed and shit on. Whatever gets you off.

  14. Need feedback? Seriously you suck at President. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Let Pence do the job, he'd be less embarrassing.

  15. Did it ever occur to you that... by diesalesmandie · · Score: 2

    Your manager many be busy and just doesn't have the time? Maybe the manager is hands off and trusts you to fill your own voids? (very possible if you are a knowledge worker) Just because they are your boss doesn't mean you have to reduce everything that could be possibly interpreted as something negative to be just that (although in a lot of situations you would be right in doing so). If you care to check, you will find that the world doesn't revolve around you and that managers are people at the end of the day, they are not omniscient. On the other end of the scale, constant feedback can be a symptom of micro managing...be careful what you wish for.

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    This is my sig, there are many like it but this one is mine
    1. Re:Did it ever occur to you that... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If they don't manage people then what do they manage? Paperwork?

      There are plenty of places that create work to justify a managerial tier however at its core a managers job is SPECIFICALLY to provide guidance. If an employee isn't getting that then the manager is failing their purpose.

      As many have said, if you aren't getting any feedback your options are to broach the matter with them, leave and go somewhere you will get some kind of fulfillment or simply enjoy it and do whatever the fuck you want.

    2. Re:Did it ever occur to you that... by Cederic · · Score: 1

      If they don't manage people then what do they manage?

      My current boss has frequently been remiss in her management.

      What she's doing instead is working stupid hours picking up tasks that she doesn't want to drop on us because we're all already overcommitted.

      Sure, there are some obvious opportunities inherent in the simplistic write-up above, and a lot that she and I have both done about it - including me giving her manager grief about the workload he's causing her - but the main point is that she's stupidly busy and bitching at her about it would be very counterproductive and also rather ignorant.

  16. No one job is an Island. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    No one job is an island. If your boss isn't giving you feedback then use that to your advantage. Figure out what it is that you like to do and make the roadmap to fit your aspirations. Where do you want to be and where do you want to go?

    Working hard for something we don't care about is called stress; working hard for something we love is called passion. - Simon Sinek

    More over -> Great companies don’t hire skilled people and motivate them, they hire already motivated people and inspire them. People are either motivated or they are not. Unless you give motivated people something to believe in, something bigger than their job to work toward, they will motivate themselves to find a new job and you’ll be stuck with whoever’s left. - Simon Sinek.

    Your boss is the problem not you.

  17. Quit/Leave the Department by mykepredko · · Score: 1

    In my experience (both personal and looking at other people), there are three reasons why a manager/supervisor won't provide feedback:

    1. They are incompetent.
    2. They don't want you/don't know what to do with you and just wish you would go away.
    3. They are psychopaths and don't want there to be a papertrail showing that you a) succeeded without/despite them or b) failed because they don't know what they are doing (see point 1.).

    Sorry for being so harsh but I've had 1. & 3. as managers and seen lots of people with 2.

  18. Address the elephant in the room by fabriciom · · Score: 1

    The hard thing is to actually get from your boss why he is not communicating with you. All these answer of just quit and get another job seems like the easy way out. What if you like your job? But If you actually sit down with your boss and get a full picture of the situation you might be able to get a better idea what's going on and find a solution. Could be a million things, maybe he/she is too busy, stressed with his own problems, fed up and trying to get another job, partner left them, lost a loved one. Who knows, only way is to sit down, talk with them and try to get a straight answer or figure it out by reading their reactions/moods. From my experience, remember you work with these people never make the mistake of thinking they are your friends. Because you might end up in a situation where they start abusing that "friend" relationship. But you also don't want to seem like a dick since you have to see them at least 40 hours a week and its better to get along and have a good working relationship and environment.

  19. Fill our your timecard. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Throughout my career, the productivity and quality of my work has been strangely irrelevant.

    But let me tell you, if I forget to fill out my timecard, all hell breaks loose.

  20. Never wait for feedback by Elvenbane · · Score: 1

    Good feedback is great when it is given, but don't wait for it. You should always be trying to improve your current skills and obtaining new skills. (bow-staff skills, nun-chuck skills...) This doesn't have to be done in the work environment, you can (and should) be learning things on your own. There are a myriad supply of books and websites available. Don't forget about co-workers. They have a wealth of knowledge. Some of them are even excited to share that knowledge. There is no need to wait for someone to give you feedback.

  21. The way it works where I work... by 3seas · · Score: 1

    I do fabrication drawings for corporate theater, and more, sets.
    So I do a drawing and when I get done, I'm then given direction other than what I drew.
    I once worked with a Project Manager that would intentionally produce work order for the shop that had errors. He told me it gets the shop to think.
    Moral of the story, if you are not getting feedback Do it wrong and you'll get feedback.

  22. Wait until you get a micromanager by Zontar_Thing_From_Ve · · Score: 1

    Then you'll be wishing you had the guy who didn't give you feedback. I really don't know what to say about not knowing what to do. It may be a good opportunity to look for things to do on your own. Be warned that sometimes when you open your mouth on this kind of thing, it can backfire on your spectacularly. Your manager may decide that you're "special" and suddenly be all over your workplace all the time because they conclude that you can't work otherwise. Your manager may decide that if you don't know what to work on, maybe they don't really need you at all. You could be perceived as a troublemaker. I'm sure there are some other bad scenarios that could happen besides those.

    Manager feedback can be hit or miss. My current manager is pretty good to give useful feedback. I had a manager once when working for the US government who didn't and all she did was give the highest ratings in the office to her friends in the office. Everybody else fought over the scraps as we had an employee evaluation that was point limited for the office, so if 2 people get the highest possible rating, everybody else gets closer to average. If you need priorities then asking a manager "Should I work on A or B now?" is fine. Asking a manager for feedback who isn't giving it to you is risky as I said earlier.

  23. work for yourself by avandesande · · Score: 1

    You should always be looking at ways to improve what you are doing without feedback. A good boss helping you along is a nice luxury but I think the expectation for most senior folks is that they do this for themselves.

    --
    love is just extroverted narcissism
    1. Re:work for yourself by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Precisely. If you're willing to be honest with yourself then et voila: you have feedback. Do the job as best you can, be honest (with yourself at least) about the quality of your work, and work hard to improve your weak points. External feedback is occasionally helpful but hardly necessary.

  24. Ask by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I'm going to suggest something crazy. Maybe ask your boss for feedback?

  25. 20 years of experience has taught me by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If you are getting no feedback and it has always been this way, you probably have a substandard manager. In fairness its hard to be a good manager and give quality attention to each employee on a regular basis (even with regimented performance reviews), generally managers who just get by will only prod you when they really need something and are themselves getting prodded. So, you have a lousy manager, now what? If i were you i would talk as much as possible to my peers about what they do, their career path, and pick one as a "mentor" who you can bounce ideas off of and generally use like a real manager. You will benefit more this way vs just quitting (the option if your peers are lousy or just as new/rudderless.)

    If you used to get feedback but generally it has decreased/stopped, you should be worried. Managers do this when they feel that their normal feedback is unheeded or otherwise ineffective and its often a sign of a manager who has "given up" on you so you should think long about how you reacted to the feedback and what your plans are to either get back on track with your manager, or move to a different position/company where you will have better success.

  26. External links not labeled correctly by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The external links in the summary are not really labeled correctly. The title of the second linked article is "How to Improve at Work When You’re Not Getting Feedback" - which more closely matches the text of the first link.

    Whereas the title of the first linked article is "Why Do So Many Managers Avoid Giving Praise?"

    And that's something I see in my current job: we have to have all our submissions to the code base ("pull requests") approved by our team leader. And inevitably he'll (take a ridiculously long time to) go through and identify a few trivial things we did "wrong". He'll require us to make a one letter change to a (relatively long) variable name. Or add an extra sentence to a minor comment in the code.

    You can influence people's behavior with either carrots or sticks. And, basically, for every code submission we (wait a long time to) get the stick. So subconsciously it's a quite demotivating. It would be a lot easier to feel motivated to get things done if their was a carrot at the end of each code submission.

    There've been studies that people in happy marriages say 5 positive things for everything negative thing. Maybe it's just the culture in the particular company I work at. But it seems that a lot of the tools for collaborative software development (code review tools, etc.) are more focused on sticks than on carrots. So I have to wonder if some of these tools are ignoring an important part of human psychology.

  27. You don't need feedback or performance management by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Sitting down once a year with your boss to discuss your work, your goals, and even your future is a good idea. 1 hour meeting tops.

    But if you don't know whether you are doing a good job or not, then you are out of touch with what is going on around you.

  28. Will you tell me please by mnemotronic · · Score: 1

    Casually drop a reference to this song by Joan Armitrading: When I Get It Right (the mtv version) / alternate with lyrics.

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    The Russians have won. They have made the world a cesspool of distrust, greed, fear and hate.
  29. Focus on what your boss wants by dave562 · · Score: 1

    You need to be working on what your boss wants you to be working on. That is the point of being an employee.

    If your boss is not giving you anything to work on, why are you going to work? What are you doing with your days?

    If you have down time and want a side project, ask your boss what else you can be working on. If they do not have anything for you to do, then find something and ask them if they think it would be valuable to the company for you to work on it.

    >>This seems like the kind of topic that has been popping up here more recently. It is like someone in management decided we, "We need an opinion question to keep the few people left on the site engaged." This one just seems particularly bad.

    1. Re:Focus on what your boss wants by Darinbob · · Score: 1

      Ha, I have one guy that goes too fast, sort of. I give him a couple tasks, and end of the day he says he's done and is going to back to work on the old project I don't want him to work on. An hour later after looking at his code l see that he rushed it, didn't understand the requirements, or made it really complicated (I think he does it for job security). So even though he's constantly saying how he's done he never really ends up being done. There is some hope, he's starting to ask more questions before starting...

    2. Re:Focus on what your boss wants by dave562 · · Score: 1

      Good luck with that. I had a guy who was similar and we ended up getting rid of him after a couple of years (and plenty of coaching) because I was having to spend too much time managing him.

      My "favorite" side project of his was the time that he spent 2 days writing his own random number generator in Python. When I asked him why he did not just use random() he did told me that he, "..felt it was more valuable for him to learn to do it himself."

      The guy was his own worst enemy. It was sad, because he was extremely smart. But he always wanted to work on his own projects, and always wanted to do things his own way.

      At least your guy seems to be getting things "done". In my situation, the employee's tasks and projects were perpetually 85% complete. There was always "one little thing" left to do, that some how always seemed to take 8 times longer to get done than he thought it would, because he would over think and over complicate everything.

  30. Identify simple, repetitive tasks by rsilvergun · · Score: 1

    and either automate them or hand them off to junior employees. Use that to free up time in your day for more technical/valuable/interesting projects. When those projects are done hand them off or automate them and move on to the next project. Meanwhile watch out for other teams trying to hand simple/repetitive work to your team :). There's no better way to lose your job to an outsourcer than to take on simple, repetitive work.

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  31. Feedback is a myth: ask for promotion instead by cloud.pt · · Score: 1

    In IT jobs you are basically junior, [no designation], then senior at "something". Sometimes years, decades after that you might be a lead in your role, if the wind favors you (e.g. C++ Lead). Lead is basically the guy between management and the lower ranks of a particular team - someone being introduced to the management BS that still has a soft touch for instilling the BS on the team. Then maybe manager in-between, but eventually you get another a horizontally displaced title, such as "Build Master", "Systems architect", "IT Manager", "QA Supervisor", "Product Lead" (not your normal lead), or even "Client Relationships" - yes, eventually you can get to stop coding when you move up and sideways of the corporate structure.

    The thing is: there is nothing else other than static or weather-prone progress. You go through the 3 junior/standard/senior stages automatically with time, but not fixed time since the company might simply not be in the mood to improve low-rank salaries. More commonly in our industry, you also do this with a job hop. The same can be said for the other steps, just a lot harder. The hopping part becomes essential for the last vertical jumps, unless you're really good on your craft or really lucky. But you either are good, or you find you are good because you never tried; you don't really progress in something you have done for 2-3 years or so - there is no technology that allows for such mastering, that is for fields such as medicine, philosophy and metaphysics. In IT you learn new stuff, you don't complement the old one.

    In IT, learning is not progress: learning is learning (think of it like filling up memory with a different dataset - it's more data, for a different purpose) - every year that passes you gain experience but not real ability - so unless you're gonna be doing the 2 things at once, you're only just changing what you do with something you're more novice at - you don't really get to be your old you and the new one doing the crafts you know and the crafts you just learned.

    So all in all, the only feedback you need is the one that tells you "I'm learning, thus I'm improving, and eventually I can force myself to a better position wherever I'm at or at a new employer". Better here is you either liking it more or making more money - just that.

    With this set, if you still crave for feedback, you're really craving for praise more than guidance, and even the guidance you get is one that better suits others' needs and not yours - all you need is to learn the role you want to have, and eventually MAKE someone give that role to you. If you wanna ask for feedback, ask for new responsibilities and you'll get everything you asked and then some.

    And yes, if you're negged, it's gonna suck. But that's life.

  32. You need to ask by gweihir · · Score: 1

    If needed, insist. Unless you can read thoughts, there is no other way. If that still fails, look for another job.

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    1. Re:You need to ask by Darinbob · · Score: 1

      I have bi-weekly one-on-one meetings. There's no structure or format. Often it's just a status update. Sometimes there's mentoring or helping out with a tough problem, but sometimes I am asked for feedback ("am I don't a good job?" was actually asked) but I am able to offer up feedback instead of waiting until the end of the year or trying to corner the person in the cube.

  33. If you are not getting feedback by Ryanrule · · Score: 1

    they are probably assembling a case to fire you. get a lawyer.

  34. two actionsnto take by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    In case the manager/head of group is not giving you feedback then
    a) ask for it.
    b) if there is no managing visible search for a new employer. Unorganized companies can harm your carrier and may break down.

    1. Re:two actionsnto take by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Unorganized companies can harm your carrier

      I once had a bad boss sink my carrier. He missed my battleship and my cruiser, though. We switched to Monopoly after that.

  35. Maybe it's a Millenial thing? by ErichTheRed · · Score: 1

    I've read articles in the recent past detailing the "generational divide" in bigger workplaces where you have the Millenials, the Xers and the baby boomers all sharing the same environment. The articles I've read seem to indicate that Millenials need much more constant feedback than previous generations. I wonder if that's part of it, and whether older managers are having trouble keeping up with the new pace.

    The workplace I'm at currently skews older, but we do have some new grads coming in every couple of years. Since we're all older types who've been around the black a few times, the traditional management "tricks" that work on younger people tend to be less accepted. But, since Google and GE have switched to continuous feedback now, we're doing it too. It used to be one performance conversation a year plus one mid-year checkup...now the dream is that both the employee and manager keep a running journal in their HR files about performance, etc. The reality is that we're so short-staffed that none of it gets done anymore.

    No feedback at all for any generation is bad though. There are so many companies where the only hope of advancement is the management track, and so there are a lot of ill-suited managers. Often, you end up being the best at doing the actual work in your department, then you're taken out of it into a completely different world. Some people get the hang of it, and others just freeze - I've worked for both, and I've frozen when promoted.

  36. Seriously?? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This is one of those "the world revolves around ME" problems. First thing I think, reading the question, is "What is this guy's actual problem?" The slashdot post mentions 3 DIFFERENT scenarioes: new to industry, new to company, and new to position (obviously not mutually exclusive). But the ways to address them are different, it would be silly to expect otherwise. The OP also mentions "feel[ing] rudderless". Wow. That means you don't know what to do with your time. Wow. That's a major problem and if you're reading this instead of talking to your boss, then you've already dug yourself a hole. Rule #1: When you find that you've dug yourself into a hole, first thing to do is STOP DIGGING! They say that the "purpose" of life is to structure time. Well, sure. If you've got time on your hands then you certainly should have PRODUCTIVE ways to fill it. Although "productive" means many different things. Hitting on co-workers, stealing office supplies, gossiping, long walks around the office, there are all sorts of non- and semi-productive things to do. No one lives without feedback, especially not in an office. Peers provide it, subordinates, superiors, suppliers, customers, competitors, they ALL can be sources of it. One thing about this post cries out to me:"Victim here!". That's the lack of sac the OP shows in indicating that he expects the world to come to him. No. You SEEK OUT feedback. Doing so explicitly and baldly is generally a recipe for failure. (Only bosses are "supposed" to offer it, and few do so willingly or honestly). So, if your "non-verbal communication skills" aren't well tuned, work on them. Observe others, network. Volunteer. Ask questions, learn. Be aware that in ANY social situation where there are more than 2 people, politics exists (by definition). So, there ARE office politics. (meaning you can't "just ask" questions randomly, they should be designed for the person, place and time). Self-improvement is a life-long endeavor. We all have strengths and weaknesses. Is it better to work on our strengths or our weaknesses? Yes. Both. Your goal should be to bring your weakest areas up to "average" and your strongest up to "outstanding". If you're new to the industry, then peers make your most important sources of information. Trade groups, and trade publications also can help. If you're new to the company (and somewhat clueless, based on this post), then you need to be aware of corporate culture. Observation is key here. Secretaries (administrative assistants, receptionists) can also be useful guides. If you're new to the position, then there are two possibilities: your job is a cog in the machine, you must comply with expectations, output will generally be measured quantitatively, often by metrics (lines per day, mile posts reached, etc.) Your job consists of a "chinese menu" of choices. You need to select the combination of pieces which are the "best fit" for your personality and skill set. Exploration of options requires you to lift your head up and look out from your cubicle. This requires some understanding of your department's and your company's work flow. I've already mentioned networking. It's important. Some argue that learning how to do your boss's job is the path to success, others just the opposite: that making yourself indispensable by shoring up your boss's weaknesses is key. I think it's both. You not only need to do substantive tasks, you need to do visible ones as well. (We're all salesmen and women: at the very least we all need to sell ourselves, blah, blah, blah) Generally, entry level jobs, (the ones with a lot of thumbsucking, where there is often so much whining about "feedback") are the best defined ones in the company. Anyone who really "feels rudderless" there, is just not trying very hard, imho. These entry level jobs will not, in general help you learn the skills you need to advance your career (after all, you're just a cog in their machine, and cogs are interchangeable, cheap, and designed for one purpose, and one purpose only). Get that graduate degree, join that standards gr

    1. Re:Seriously?? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I should also add that each company has its own terminology addressing its goals. Maybe it's as simple as net sales, maybe its EBITDA or stock price. Every employee should know enough micro-economics to know what those terms mean, and enough accounting to understand what they're specifically based on from your department's perspective. (Also, I failed to note that the Chinese menu type of position is the 2nd type of job, different from a "cog" type.)

    2. Re:Seriously?? by Cederic · · Score: 1

      I'm not sure if you're open to feedback and you're obviously welcome to disregard this. It's clear you're passionate and want to share on this topic and that's great, thank you.

      A reader has suggested though that the structure of your contribution may benefit from some small tweaks that would help with readability and increase their chances of benefiting from your input. A specific example here would be the addition of paragraphs, although the multiple nested snippets of text (inside brackets or quotation marks" can also disrupt the flow.

      It's a minor thing but one I'm sure you can understand we wouldn't want to detract from your otherwise excellent work.

      Yell if you have any queries on this!

  37. You people are hilarious by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If you are getting no feedback that means you absolute rein to do what you want how you want. You will know when things are going poorly when HR calls. Otherwise full speed ahead. The work you should be doing, especially as a low level manager is making your manager and those above you look bad so you can take their job.

  38. You may not need manager feedback by John.Banister · · Score: 1

    Rather than ask your manager about your performance, ask your manager about his (or her) goals. Make sure you understand the scope of your role if achieving these goals is a combined effort. Then, try to make the goals happen. If it's possible, make it really easy for management to learn (perhaps without talking to you) the specifics about how you plan to spend your time in the future. That way, you can understand not being redirected as approval. The information about where your efforts are succeeding or falling short may be equally as available to you as to your manager, so unless you really have difficulty evaluating it, you many not need managerial input. In my experience, employers really like it if you're the person they don't have to think about.

  39. Easy. by sootman · · Score: 1

    "In the absence of specific guidance, is there any way to know what the average boss would want you to work on?"

    Take a look at what you think your company needs, and in particular focus on areas where productivity can be enhanced with the least effort. Then, do the opposite.

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  40. I understand what you're saying... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The thing I hate - as a Gen X'er (if we're gonna use marketing demographics) - is my only feedback is at my annual review. And even then it's half-assed because I have to fill out this form to explain what I have done in the past year - and it sucks if you don't keep a journal.

    Then after all that you are told that you get the "standard" cost of living raise because you didn't do X, Y and Z.

    Was I ever informed that I needed to do X,Y, and Z?! Nope. I just had to take the initiative.

    So, I think I learned! I then take the initiative in the next review cycle. I am told that other folks were assigned those projects or some other reason.

    See, in corporate (Fortune 500) America, we are set up to sort of fail. That gives them an excuse not pay us what we are worth - but they sure as hell have no problem billing us out at a higher rate!

    The fact is that feedback is a one way street. It's just a way to knock us down to suit their purposes.

    1. Re:I understand what you're saying... by Darinbob · · Score: 1

      Maybe you're going into it with the wrong attitude. As a manager, I don't want an employee to fail, it means that I have failed and now I have extra work to do.

      What it sounds like is a lack of communication. I know some younger people with the same problem. You don't do X, Y, and Z without first seeing if it's OK to do X, Y, and Z. Sure, some of that communication does need to come from the manager, but it must be a two way street. Ask for feedback, ask if you're doing the job correctly, ask before you take on the side projects, find out what other team members are working on, etc. You have to talk!

      For instance, there may be a deadline involved. The release is coming out at the end of the month, and yet I had one new person who decided that the code needed a lot of rewriting and proceeded to do so without telling anyone. I'd ask "how are things going?" and hear back "fine". Then there was the mad mad rush to get the real work done at the end. The code review that I had to do was a nightmare since he touched about every other line along the way, but it was too late to revert everything.

      And yes, keep notes on what you did during the year. It's really helpful with the performance review, and really helpful with the resume.

  41. Good feedback requires expertise by hackel · · Score: 2

    While I get the occasional "great job" from management at my job, that kind of feedback is largely meaningless. In order to give good feedback, you have to actually be *knowledgeable* in the field in question. In the case of programming, you actually have to review the code and understand it, including design and testing patterns, etc. In my company, that has never happened. No one ever looks at the code I produce, and there are only two other people who could even make sense of it. I think this is a huge problem.

  42. Contractors don't have this problem by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    The check is all the feedback I need

  43. Incompetence by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Not every manager is a "good" manager. My present manager, for example, is obviously inexperienced, having bullshitted his way through the interview (he's good at that). In cases like these, attempts to work with them are almost always met with some resistance; more out of their own insecurity. I've seen people placed in positions like this that have absolutely NO business there, yet they get hired.

    Trying to "manage up" can also have mixed results.

    A good manager has decent people skills and thinks in terms of their subordinates perspectives as well as departmental goals. No feedback is never a good idea from a manager.

    Another factor I find really odd in this design is when performance reviews come along. Reviews are always a top-down process, but you never see a manager (especially a new one) getting performance feedback from his subordinates. Now imagine...

    So basically I agree with what many people here have said. But when you get stuck with an inexperienced manager, you have your work cut out for you -- and if you happen to have one of these who is insecure, be cautious of retaliatory behavior.

  44. ... virtual metrology of human sentiment by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Virtual metrology of human sentiment in the professional organizational fog of war.

    It sounds like a PhD thesis.

    How do you indirectly measure your boss ...
    when your peers are sometimes out to get you ...
    when your leadership is sometimes out to get you ...
    and your organization is sometimes out to get you?

    Hints:
    - Everyone has a personal style and a style of character. If you can figure out what those two are, then it gives strong context to interpret both verbal and nonverbal communication from them.
    - Who a person is, sadly enough, is often conditioned by who they are around. This is especially true in an organization. Do you need examples? Someone who is terrified of the boss may speak truth in private, and not say it in a forum where the boss is present. Someone who is trying to stage you to fall will speak lies in private, then speak both truth and lies in the boss-forum.
    - HR is a decent barometer. If I articulate their "tells" here, they will change. They will telegraph the state of the business in several distinct ways. Look for them, and learn them.
    - Compare your level of effort, volume and value of results to your peers. It is hard to be objective here, so be always learning what value is, and how the organization measures it.
    - Volume of communication can be an indicator. If there is a sudden jump either up or down in volume of communications, it can mean something significant. You can sabotage yourself by trying to be on every email, or none of them. Being organic and letting the startup define a baseline level is not a bad way to go.
    - Read "the goal" by Goldratt, and be able to understand the value flow within the company. Look at your "distance from center of the flow" and it also is context. If your group is "far from center" then there are a crap-ton of unwritten rules and a crap-ton of politics.
    - Cultivate organizational "bellwethers" outside your group, and outside your profession. Make sure you have friends in the janitorial staff, on the production floor, and who work in both business and engineering groups. Talk with them and listen to them. They are a chorus of voices that can tell you things the CEO is too disconnected and too arrogant to know, but should know.
    - I have made "helping others" part of my norm. It is game theory, and character at the same time. If I am always returning value and I am always helping others to return value, then the others find helping me or working with me to be profitable. In seasons of storms they come to me early and first. I make sure that at those moments I give them umbrellas and such. This is both "pro-team" and working with vision to tomorrows storms.
    - Eat in the cafe. There is more your mind will hear when it is not hearing than you know. The sound there can tell you about the health of the system. Listen. I don't mean to any one or few people. I mean listen to the ensemble. Hear without hearing. Hear the ocean, by not hearing the wave.

    -EngrStudent

  45. Why do you need feedback? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You know how well you work, when you work best, and if it takes you an hour and 3 coffees to get going in the morning. If you fuck up you can be pretty sure your boss is going to let you know.

    Evaluate and improve yourself, this isn't school, you don't need to be handed a grade every 10 minutes.

  46. Feedback: you lie all the time by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Fascinating. I'm the person most harsh towards you and you didn't mention a SINGLE piece of feedback I've ever given you.

    You are not the victim. You threaten to shoot people who debate better than you. When this is pointed out, you are still not the victim.
    Lying when you post does not make you the victim when people point it out. It makes you the asshole.

    You give a tirade of insults that I haven't seen people give you, though I don't look for your posts so maybe it happens, and you leave off that people hate you because you lie, act like a victim when you do lie, and post some crap web site explaining how you have always been picked on as justification for threatening to shoot people.

    No one is being mean to you cause you are fat, make too little, work for the government, or so on. They are mean to you because you lie and then threaten them and act like you are prosecuted when it is pointed out. They aren't even good lies, every one of them can be found out in under 10 seconds of research. They don't like you because you are a STUPID DNC shill that doesn't get the talking points from the DNC and when you attempt to make your own you flounder horribly. Hillary lost and no matter how many times you pretend people called you fat, it isn't going to change.

    1. Re:Feedback: you lie all the time by __aaclcg7560 · · Score: 1

      You threaten to shoot people who debate better than you. When this is pointed out, you are still not the victim.

      This is one my most popular blog posts. Keep up the good job and thanks for the ad revenues!

      Have I Threatened To Shoot You Today?
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  47. You can't "improve" by zifn4b · · Score: 3, Insightful

    "Improve" in the sense of working for an employer means better meeting the employer's expectations. If the employer is not providing expectations or feedback, you are trying to be clairvoyant which is not possible. One of my parents was like this. They would expect me to do things a certain way or at certain times but never inform me of that except by severely punishing me for not reading their minds. That's a toxic situation.

    My advice, unless your employer doesn't question your performance and you can do whatever you like, leave. During the exit interview tell HR this is the main reason you are leaving. Hopefully they will take the feedback to heart but often employers don't because they are more often than not egotistical and believe they are infallible not open to criticism.

    Just so you know, there is a cognitive bias whereby people think that everyone thinks the same and therefore they ought to arrive at the same conclusions, you know the "right" and "only" ones because you know there is a right way and everything is the wrong way (black and white thinking). They can't compute why someone wouldn't arrive at the "right way" independently other than there is something wrong with you and you are defective in some way. These people have the emotional intelligence skills of a rock and you don't want to work for them or be in any kind of dealing with them. They will make you miserable.

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  48. Keep Learning by jb373 · · Score: 1

    Keep learning everything you possibly can. Start with the skills you use most at work and start improving them. As you do this try and be self aware about where your own faults are. Keep making a fool of yourself in meetings? Maybe your communication skills should be worked on next. In the absence of feedback remember this: if you were doing an absolutely horrible job there would have been feedback. You can also talk to your co-workers and see if they have suggestions for you.

  49. As a manager... by WolfgangVL · · Score: 3, Informative

    I have personally fielded this question from my team. On that occasion, I reminded them that when I say, "great job", I mean it, and when I say, "You missed this one, lets try $colleague's idea this time." I am not just being a persnickety asshole boss, I am providing feedback, and directing a project.

    (I think) At least half the problem today is that the younger generation no longer hears the real praise from their superiors for what it is, because they've spent their lives hearing these things for simply meeting the standard. I don't pass out high fives at the water cooler for showing up to work on time, but I do pass-out pitchers of beer and pizza when we complete a project within spec and on-time.

    When you're late on your side of the hardware, and the whole team is off grumbling between themselves while doing make-work for other departments, I'm going to point out a few things you may want to do differently next time. I'm going to remind you that this is not the way we roll around here. And I'm going to ask you if you think somebody else would have been a better fit for your responsibilities. Again this is not me being a dick boss, it's feedback, and guidance.

    If I see a problem with the way things are being done, the way you carry yourself, or the way resources are being applied, it's my job to fix it. Part of that job is making those responsible aware of the problem, as well as solicit solutions from them and avoid these problems on future projects. On Thursday, when I *ask* you to change the shirt you've been wearing since Monday, I am not *coming down on you*, or *being a dick boss*, but providing clear direction. If you're so dense you have to ask me why, (this has happened) I'm going to tell you the odor is distracting, and the catchup stain on the collar is annoying as hell. This is the feedback that is remembered. THIS is what he will tell his spouse tonight over dinner, and this is what he is going to remember when review time comes around.

    Unfortunately, "Team, we did it again, $client loves our work, and word is they are already bidding our next project. Wonderful work guys, keep this shit up. Anybody wanna join me after work this Friday at $pizzajoint? My treat...." Is considered standard for every project. It aint, It's positive feedback, as well as opportunity to debrief, and decompress, as well as for one on one time with me, over a beer, as friends and colleagues; instead of boss and subordinate.

    My boss is counting on me to both guide the teams project to completion, and keep my guys happy. I try to do both. If I don't, he's gonna ask me why not, and provide a few suggestions himself (misguided as they may be) That does not mean I'm on the hook to present a gold medal for meeting the standard, high school was a long time ago.

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    1. Re:As a manager... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      People don't want to be rewarded with an atta-boy or beer and Pizza.

      If they contribute to the financial success of the company, they expect better compensation to share in those rewards.

    2. Re:As a manager... by zifn4b · · Score: 1

      I have personally fielded this question from my team. On that occasion, I reminded them that when I say, "great job", I mean it, and when I say, "You missed this one, lets try $colleague's idea this time." I am not just being a persnickety asshole boss, I am providing feedback, and directing a project.

      See... you still don't get it though. Certain personalities want praise and admiration and that in whatever form is adequate to them. They are usually more narcissistic than others. There are other personalities however that are not interested in admiration to boost their self esteem. They don't derive their self worth from a popularity contest. They can provide their own basis for self worth. What these people want to know is what specifically did I get praised for? The reason is because they want to do more of the things that you find valuable to improve their performance and contribution to the company mission and support their families. They don't really care about you specifically praising them. You're just another human being. That's what people like you don't understand. Get some more background in psychology and it will become crystal clear.

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  50. Coding is an industry? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I'm thinking of getting into the hammering & nailing industry instead. :-P

  51. Give yourself a pat on the back by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    because I am not going to do it for you.

  52. I thought it said... by zawarski · · Score: 1

    how to do improv at work. That would have been a much more interesting question.

  53. Suggestion by jon3k · · Score: 1

    I'd suggest asking to schedule a regular one on one meeting with your supervisor, once or twice a month. Bring a list of items and ask directly for feedback. Make sure you set ground rules that you agree to LISTEN and accept the feedback, even if you disagree with it. Perception is reality, understand their IMPRESSION cannot be wrong, but that you may be able to change their view with facts. Stop waiting for your supervisor to do something and be proactive.